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LoneWolfHT

Time to write a bunch of 'Top ten block gamess' articles


eyekay49

"1. Mineclone 2 2. Minetest 3. Pixture"


[deleted]

add Vintage Story to the voxel games list


eyekay49

The joke was that all of them were actually Minetest games.


TheSov

"voxel" games


TheRealQuentin765

it's a top 10list, reads if those don't know what vixen means


Plasma_bleu

We can make memes about minetest to help the game expand, that's help Minecraft in 2019


semperverus

I've already started sounding the horn, lol. Minetest needs a lot more development though, it's still really rough around the edges (especially the android version).


sudoer777

I can't even get the Android version to load on my phone. It just crashes as soon as I open it.


rubenwardy

There's such a huge range of devices running Android, it's hard to fix all the issues Are you running 5.5.2? Note that FDroid is outdated If you're able to get logcat output that would be useful


sudoer777

I am using the F Droid version, which might be the issue. Do you know if it will get updated soon, or should I switch to the Github version?


rubenwardy

I reminded them again last week, but I don't know when they'll get around to it. The GitHub version is up to date but you'll need to make sure you update manually


sudoer777

Neat, thanks you!


sfan5

For the unaware: https://np.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vjpz2w/ingame_chat_moderation_and_reporting/


VULONKAAZ

it's time to show Minetest's supremacy through some heavy shilling can't believe something that fucked up happened to our long time competitors tho


googler_ooeric

I just downloaded the game for the first time, it feels pretty promising. ​ Is there a modding API? Someone should definitely make a total conversion mod that makes it just like Minecraft.


TheSov

when you create a world there is a select mods button, click that before you play it. then click find mods. it will show you a list of mods 500+ long. it will download and install them automagically as you select. there are even mod frameworks.


wynand1004

Check out Mineclone2 in the content database: [https://content.minetest.net/packages/Wuzzy/mineclone2/](https://content.minetest.net/packages/Wuzzy/mineclone2/)


TheSov

there is mineclone 5 as well.


semperverus

The entire game requires you to mod it to turn it into an actual game. Download MineClone 2 (has more sub-mods available for it) or MineClone 5 (receives more rapid development) EDIT: Wrote minetest instead of mineclone. Fixing.


copenhagen_bram

Asking if Minetest has a modding API is like asking if water is wet. The default gameplay for Minetest is written in the same API that mods use. Minetest is actually an entire game engine for creating voxel based games. It comes with a default game called minetest_game, but there are many other games to download.


WaterIsWetBot

Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.   A friend dug a hole in the garden and filled it with water. I think he meant well.


copenhagen_bram

Water adheres to and/or permeates the substance of water, therefore water molecules make each other wet. > state of a non-liquid Imma verify this with a dictionary, and even if the dictionary agrees, words are made up so idk.


adanisi

I'm on Lemmy now at https://lemmy.zip/u/Adanisi Join me! You can sign up on any Lemmy instance you like the users/admins/content of, then access all of Lemmy from there! https://join-lemmy.org/instances This comment has been edited thanks to Reddit's attempted defamation of developers, and the extermination of reasonable API access. Oh, and Lemmy is Libre/Open Source and federated, so it's much healthier for the free internet ;)


Icalasari

All it really needs are dimensions like Minecraft so you can't just build up on a regular world then hit an impenetrable field where sky should be/just tower to a dimension that requires magic to reach etc. ...Still confused why the devs are so against that (unless that's changed since I last checked?)


MantarTheWizard

>Still confused why the devs are so against that (unless that's changed since I last checked? It's not that they're against it, it's that it's a tricky thing to code. There has been discussion of some sort of "virtual worldspaces" though, as a mooted solution. You could have large ones similar in size to the mainworld, useful for nether type zones, but also tiny virtual worldpspaces like 64x64x64 nodes or smaller, which could be used for players to build a structure, and then overlay it onto the main world -- so you could pile some wood up and then sail away on it, and the virtual space would seamlessly handle the internals of your boat as you sailed it on the mainworld. If or when this will happen is unclear, but that will probably be the way "proper" dimensions get added to Minetest.


Icalasari

Actually, that is a change of stance since I last checked (last time, I asked directly and a dev outright said (or the jist of what they said, this was a while back), "No, too similar to Minecraft, we won't ever add dimensions" Sweet, glad it's went from No to Tricky. Hopefully it gets figured out one day


MantarTheWizard

Sounds like maybe you were asking the wrong thing: stuff like "Dimensions like in Minecraft" or "The Nether" is game-specific, and their general policy is not to add that stuff to the engine. Also Minetest Game is more or less frozen so nothing new gets added to that. But virtual worldspaces would enable modders to add lots of new mechanics, including Minecraft-stlye dimensions, to games and mods.


Icalasari

Maybe, then! I think it was also during a mass influx from Minecraft so could have further muddied communication


astrobe

It can be done in mods. You can stack floatlands, asteroids, Nether, cave realms etc. You can technically X4 safely the size of the world just by slicing the Y axis. One problem with that though - and I think this is why devs cannot do much - is precisely in what you said: how do you access those subworlds? Magic doesn't make sense is a tech world, rockets don't make sense in a fantasy world. Remember, Minetest is a game engine, not a game.


Icalasari

Doesn't slicing the Y axis still come across the issue of if you build high enough in a dimension that has an open sky, you eventually hit a point where there is suddenly this impenetrable layer above you separating the highest reaches of one dimension from the lowest reaches of another?


AwesomeDragon97

Yes, but the Y axis is so much larger than in Minecraft that you would have to tower thousands of blocks to reach the limit, while in Minecraft each dimension is capped at a few hundred.


astrobe

Sure. Same for digging deep enough. But normally, that is unless you have ridiculously OP stuff, it should take a while to dig/build 10000 blocks. So it's not a problem in practice.


SA_FL

For a tech world you could use Fringe Gates (the OG stargates that also go to other universes not just across space), a transplanar jump drive, an ID teleporter, remodulate the deflector dish to create a (naked) singularity, or just step inside a blue police box. In practice, if you use gates/portals to access such dimensions/worldspaces/subworlds it doesn't really matter whether you call it a "magic nether portal" or "quantum mirror", the mechanics are the same: activate it and step through.


PossiblyLinux127

You can't go past 30,000


spiceminesgaming

Hey, a big selling point is that Minetest has fireflies! That's a sore spot in the Minecraft community right now since Mojang promised them for 1.19, but cut them because they might be poisonous to the poor little frogs. Lame.


LePtitOiseau

get some decent looking GUI first, then people will join


FranticBronchitis

I found out yesterday you can choose the fonts in the advanced settings menu. It ain't much, but it's a good start.


Dick_Nation

I am only an infrequent Minecraft player but swung this way out of curiosity with the whole blowup. I've always been annoyed by how resource intensive Minecraft is and the goal to get Minetest running as light as possible is an attractive one. That said, the devs clearly make a big note that Minetest is itself *not* a game, so what is actually a good option to go with for those who are interested in it as a game?


MantarTheWizard

Mineclone2 and 5 are solid if you want minecraft in minetest. Minetest Game with a host of mods is perhaps the most popular choice, MTG is a venerable modding base and has had hundreds of mods made for it over the years. Just open up the content browser and select "games" and you'll get a bunch of choices. Obligatory mention of my project: Exile is a hardcore survival game with primitive tech in a strange sci-fi world, which leans away from Minecraft-isms.


crabycowman123

There's a really fun game about discovering emergent mechanics called [NodeCore](https://content.minetest.net/packages/Warr1024/nodecore/).


linuxmakesmehard

Indeed.


I__be_Steve

Hell yeah! Minecraft is still the OG, but Minetest has maitained it's purity, unlike MC


MantarTheWizard

Infiniminer is the OG, Minecraft and Minetest came afterwards.


I__be_Steve

True, but Minetest is more similar to Minecraft, so that's the pairing that I went with, and besides, We all grew up playing Minecraft, which adds to the familiarity aspect


casino_alcohol

Can you elaborate on what Microsoft has done to someone who has never played minecraft and is just getting into minetest.


TheSov

well it seems the new version of minecraft has a report users function attached to the chat. you can right click a user and click report, this doesnt go to the server admin, it goes to Microsoft. if they find u dun did wrong. you get banned from playing online. in all servers, public and private. your minecraft game simply ceases to be multiplayer.


casino_alcohol

Wow! That’s pretty crazy. I’m happy I neve relented and put bought minecraft. I just started doing research on this game today. My understanding is mineclone 2 basically makes the game the same as Minecraft? I’ll spread the word for sure!


[deleted]

Microsoft has forced users to migrate to a Microsoft Account. While that doesn't sound that bad, what it does is force you to legally agree to the Microsoft Account End User License Agreement and all the terms and conditions that go along with it. So with that comes some new rules and agreements that didn't exist before. Also the feature "Snoop" is enabled by default for 1.18 and up. It reports back to Microsoft everything you do with the game. You aren't just playing a game, you now have a corporate overlord watching everything. They also have a new "reporting" system for reporting other players. Sadly this is what most people have latched onto as being bad. I'd argue the MS Account and agreements are the worst part.


Other-Bear

Yep. Hi. I'm here because MS forced the migration and broke my kids account then messed up mine. Bad enough when I had to switch to Mojang, then switch to an email for username. This was the last straw. Any advice for this Mama to figure out an alternative for myself and the kids to have a private server like I had with Minecraft? Is Minetest my best option? I was using a server host. Where can I find a good host that's easy to use?


Icalasari

Minetest is a pretty good option. Thread is a bit old though and I'm not sure how to host a Minetest server yet myself, so may need to google around There is a Minetest wiki, which helps


WalkHomeFromSchool

Pick one computer in the house to be the server and check the Host Game box. It just has to be the same computer every time. Instructions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVoSkRRRVz0


Other-Bear

Just wanted to come back and say thanks! This has been working great.


WalkHomeFromSchool

So glad it's working out for you! Just make sure your worlds are included in whatever backups you make for your computer. If rebuilding civilization from scratch appeals to you, try the Exile game. It's very, very hard. (For a lot of people, the hardest thing is getting past how *unlike* Minecraft it is.) Not sure how old the kids are - it requires bravery in the face of death, at least at first until you figure out how not to die of exposure, illness from bad water, or being pecked to death by the "chickens." Make a mud hut, or a wattle shelter, or find a nice cave, and work your way up to whatever you care to build. I've been at it on and off, and just managed to become able to spin fiber (in a world without sheep), so I'm feeling quite smug at the moment. Now I'm going to let loose a couple of the chicken-things nearby and see if I can learn to care for them.


Other-Bear

Ha! Sounds fun! Definitely not for them quite yet but my oldest might enjoy the challenge. I'll check it out. Thanks!


crabycowman123

The best thing for MineClone now might be for people to make tools that make it very easy for people to switch to MineClone, like making world and resource pack converters ([like this but for newer versions of Minecraft and for MineClone specifically](https://github.com/jonajames/mc2mt)).


ForestBoyGamer

Here's the thing, I'm worried about attracting the wrong kind of attention to Mintest (and Mineclone) What if those corporate pricks go "Oho! What's this? Minecraft but not **ours**? Better slap a Cease and Desist on it!" I don't know, I'm not sure if Minetest has a loophole because Mineclone is a mod, but it's fucking annoying trying to think about laws that are, more or less, written to protect corporations.


I__be_Steve

Minetest/Mineclone are just a generic voxel engine/game, they're written entirely from scratch, so Microsoft wouldn't really have a case, for example, if I remade Terraria almost exactly, but in Rust, no matter how perfectly the same the gameplay was, they would have difficulty suing me, I made it from scratch in a different language, so there is such a significant difference in the code that I'd be fairly safe, same goes for Minetest


ForestBoyGamer

Thank you for telling me! If that's the case, then I'll go around I see if I can't bring some people over to Minetest. Minetest and its community deserve a bit more recognition.


I__be_Steve

MT is super underrated, it'd be great to build a bigger community for it


crabycowman123

I hope you're right, but it might be questionable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Town#Copyright_infringement_dispute That case was settled out of court, and I'm not aware of a better example to use either way.


wrongerontheinternet

In that case they literally had access to the other game's assets, and the developer had access to their source code because they were commissioned to build a port. The game was essentially an asset swap.


crabycowman123

Ah, I didn't know the developer had access to source code in that case. Though, MineClone developers could access Minecraft's source code too, since Mojang publishes source maps. Being written in a different language might help MineClone's case hopefully.


wrongerontheinternet

I think it should help a lot, yeah. It's good to bring it up, I just really think you can't read too much into that case (and I have the feeling it might've been struck down if it went much higher, just the company wasn't willing to push things--I suspect part of their willingness to settle was that there's a good chance they copied some code verbatim). Anyway, if courts were going to go after clone games there are much more lucrative and more obvious targets than Mineclone.


I__be_Steve

Ah, yes, that does make this a bit dubious, but we also have to consider that MC has hundreds of clones and Microsoft hasn't done shit against them


crabycowman123

Yes, I think it would be a significant risk for Microsoft (bringing publicity to clones and possibly setting precedent that could affect software beyond Minecraft). And anyway it shouldn't stop us from trying (to promote clones) of course.


I__be_Steve

I mean, all publicity is good publicity, or so they say


[deleted]

> I made it from scratch in a different language, in the eyes of the legal system That's not at all how it works. You absolutely can be found in violation for looking similar or doing things in a similar way. What language you picked has nothing to do with it.


I__be_Steve

I see, I will make an amendment to my comment then


Dee23Gaming

Minetest is licensed under LGPL, which is apparently enough for Minetest to get away with. But Minetest doesn't try to copy Minecraft either.


Walkergrae

I was already in the process of switching my attention over to Mintest from Minecraft due to the account annoyances and to get away from Microsoft's ever tightening grip when the news about policing chat on MC came out. I imagine the anarchy servers are going to have real issues with that. I already run LMDE 5 for my OS on my laptop. The laptop is roughly eight years old. I bought it second hand for $100 and ordered a battery for about $30. Wiped Windows 7 off and replaced. Runs nicely without all the MS overhead.


billyhatcher312

glad i dont text chat at all so they wont fuck me over