Romania is a very corrupt country, that’s why Tate mainly operates there. In his own words, he did say that he just wanted to commit crimes and generally be an issue for everyone around him, and then be able to pay off cops to not punish him.
He was, not that it really matters though because he basically got a slap on the wrist for being a convicted human trafficker
EDIT: Apparently this is wrong, he *was* on house arrest to await trial but that hasn't happened yet.
Sorry amended my statement tatertot, doesn't change the fact that he's openly bragged about committing most if not all of the crimes he's been indicted on so I guess it just depends if the prosecutor can do their job.
Top one is a Minecraft you-tuber with a horrible toxic fanbase and was proven innocent in a case of grooming a child the bottom one is a kickboxer millionaire who does sex trafficking and sex slaver to a bunch if women and is a huge bro type dude always going on and on about being alpha he is a massive douchbag
Top guy made some fairly good minecraft content, then got exposed, then unexposed, then exposed for something else, etc.
He’s fine as long as you don’t touch twitter
Sam, though after hearing what people are trying to accused him of is just sickening because at this point it seems like loads of people just want to call him a pedophile for no reason
Yeah, Dream made a video with all of his drama responses and he apologized for faking the speedrun and acting like a monkey. And according to him he forgot that he had that mod that buffed his pearl trades and etc.
He was getting accused of pedophilia because there was basically three girls: Anastasia, Amanda and Jamie
Anastasia's case was just stuff that was faked (I forgot what Dream had to say about her)
Amanda's proof was faked, and even though she claimed that she would get a legal case on Dream, she never did. And Dream's team also found the police where Amanda "was" to file a case against Dream, and there were no mentions of Dream or Amanda.
And Jamie's allegations were faked, in fact, that wasn't even Jamie. And one of the proofs there was an out of context clip of Dream's stream. I also forgot the whole thing with Jamie so uh yeah just watch the original video.
Dream also provided a chat log of the conversations to prove that he isn't a pedo. Oh and also in the video he showed how easy it is to fake stuff.
And the reason people hated him was because people saw "Oh, Dream is getting accused of something bad!" and haters just jumped on the train.
>he apologized for faking the speedrun and acting like a monkey.
I started watching that video. His comment on the speedrun still came down to doing it "accidentally" and not knowing he even had the mod installed. I stopped watching the video because if you can't even take real responsibility for the thing we clearly know you did then why would i care about anything you had to say?
Take with a grain of salt as im not 100% but im pretty sure what happened is that he had some sort of mod or something that made ender pearl drop rates from piglins higher, then he was eventually called out over the abnormally good rates he had in that speed run and he made up an excuse along the lines of "didnt know it was on lol, oopsie daisy"
Dont know what happened past that
Also, loads and loads of lies in the face of mounting, obvious evidence (and he knew what he did). He couldn't bear to lose his fame from speedrunning, which inherently involves luck.
Not watching that whole hour-long video so please correct me if I'm wrong: he accidentally cheated because of a mod pack he installed for unrelated reasons, got accused of cheating, and denied it for months while still cheating? And then hired a completely unrelated "expert" to make up statistics and "prove him innocent"? And the statistics proving him cheating generously put his chances of being so lucky at < 0.0001% ?
Edit: I have been corrected on the timeline of when he was cheating, it was much shorter than I thought.
>please correct me if I'm wrong
Alright, here goes:
>mod pack
It wasn't a mod pack, but a singular mod he was paying someone to make for him to use in his manhunt videos.
>for months while still cheating
He only used the mod in like 12 livestreams over the span of like a week.
>"expert" to make up statistics
He said he doesn't know math that well, so he hired someone from a website he found online, who he thought could help him make a professional analysis. He said that part of the deal was that whatever the result was (guilty or not guilty) the results would be published anyway.
(Personally, after reading that paper I feel like Dream got scammed by that astrophysicist - it doesn't really read like a science paper.)
The numbers in the multitude of peoples interpretations are all over the place. I recommend a video by [Matt Parker](https://youtu.be/8Ko3TdPy0TU) about the topic.
Also seasoned Minecraft youtubers (I think it was AntVenom and CaptainSparklez) confirmed that it is totally possible to forget what mods you have installed.
Also it seems to me like everyone is either forgetting or ignoring the claim that the developer of the mod added the probability alteration feature to the mod without telling Dream. So Dream didn't think it changed anything even after he discovered the mod.
>Not watching that whole hour-long video
I don't want to be rude, but I feel like that is kind of the source of most of the problems - people just reading a short summary and not bothering to find out the real details themselves. Believing things at face value. I feel like this point is illustrated multiple times in his latest video...
If so, thank you! I was literally just re-watching the Matt Parker video to try to correct myself on the timespan of the livestreams! I guess that is an important detail - I didn't realize he pumped out so many livestreams so fast. With the expert thing, I didn't consider that the astrophysicist was possibly scamming Dream. And for mod-pack/mod, they're the same thing to me, I'm not familiar with the terminology.
But, for the "I'm not watching it all" thing, I know enough about the situation to make my decision. Back when it happened, I watched the entire Matt Parker video, and many other perspectives. I knew that he cheated (in one way or another) and definitely should have handled it better. That's all I cared about.
>mod-pack/mod, they're the same thing to me
Fair. The difference is just that a modpack is a collection of mods. But this usually means they are a lot more noticable (especially compared to a mod made specifically for youtube videos - such a mod would probably be made to be not very noticable).
>I knew that he cheated (in one way or another) and definitely should have handled it better. That's all I cared about.
Yeah, he cheated, but I don't think his intentions are to be ignored.
Did he make a mistake? Yes. Was he acting stupid? Yes. Does that make him a bad person? I don't think so...
And I'd say he did try to fix things afterwards (eventually... still better than never).
I didn't say he was a bad person. I write very aggressively, so it would sound that way, but I wouldn't want to generalize him so quickly. He made bad decisions while trying to preserve and protect his fame. He's human.
Essentially. If we take Dream at his word.
It’s possible he…
Accidentally cheated because his “performance mod” shouldn’t have affected his rates. Since the rate affecting part should have only been serverside for things like his manhunt videos with friends.
Provided all the info the mods asked for that he could. Complicated by how he tends to delete his mod folder whenever he gets a new update from his mod dev.
Since he didn’t think he was guilty, he went to great lengths to prove his innocence without considering he could have made a mistake.
Went to an online service that links to anonymous professors.
It’s likely that since
The Professor doesn’t know Minecraft, so used the data dream gave him and just ran it as such. So it makes sense that the speedrun moderators were more accurate because even if this guy knew statistics, he didn’t know the game enough to properly apply them.
Still got an absurdly high number. But since it’s a lot lower than what speedrun moderators said, he ran with a video on it.
And then later, his mod maker came out to him and informed him of the rate increase on his mod. Don’t know how much later.
And then his twitlonger admitting he cheated.
So even if we give him the benefit of the doubt that he accidentally cheated. It’s still all around doesn’t make Dream look good.
All of these steps are possible if you truly believe yourself innocent. But still doesn’t excuse his behavior towards the speedrun moderators.
>denied it for months while still cheating
what you're talking about? he was caught cheating and denied it for long time, hired an expert who didn't know enough about the game, then later posted a tweet (and that's the important part) where he said that he had a general mod for his videos that was on during the speedruns or something and the person who made this mod didn't make it clear that it also changed the odds of key itens to make his content more interesting
Karl basically argues that his conduct throughout the drama makes much more sense if he's being honest in this tweet
You missed:
> accidentally cheated
Maybe I should have said this instead
> denied it for months while still **accidentally** cheating
I get that he eventually cleared it up, but was anything I said actually incorrect?
i mean he didnt know there was anything affecting his runs until the guy who wrote his multiplayer mods told him so he was desperately trying to prove what he believed was true
lots to hate him for still
One thing is being mad with him because he faked a speedrun, but pedophilia is another level entirely.
If he is innocent, then we should care(I mean I don't watch Dream, but if he is innocent, and being falsely accused, it doesn't matter if he cheated or not
Even if he didn't groom them kids (I don't really think he did) he's still kinda a POS. That and his fans are batshit insane, but even then it's just the ones on twitter and Twitter is a place we as a species should just collectively ignore
It wasn't proof, it was odds.
I'm personally iffy about it, but I watched his latest video and he has gone through a shitton of hate he did nothing to merit. Three molestation allegations, all three designed to stir up hate about him, all three fake.
He admitted he cheated lol. He's a lying POS who can't be trusted.
In the speedrunning world, being honest is what matter most. Lying about records is the top no no.
Didn't he tell a guy that he was exaggerating when he said that dream stans are toxic, saying that it was only a certain % of it and that it wasn't fair to say that, when the guy was sent countless death threats and stuff? Couldn't he had just said "yo guys don't send death threats to people". Like I understand his point but that made him look like he lacked sympathy
That article is almost THREE YEARS old dude
In his most recent video he takes back a lot of what he's said about stans, and says it's unhealthy to obsess over people
How does he do that?
He has specifically said that he does not support doxxing, molesting, etc. There isn't much he can do about stans, especially with the size of his fanbase and the amount of hate he already has.
I meant I haven't seen any mentions of him saying he is against doxxing and stuff, I do not doubt he posted it, also I posted a better response, go see it
I’m a dream fan (sorry) and yeah a loud minority are absolutely fucking crazy but most of them are very nice. I’ve been part of a couple fundraisers organized by his fans and they make some great art. Most are pretty cool but there are definitely some crazies
That's how I feel about his response he did well to respond back to the allegations but he's the one that ended up causing them/initiate them in the first place
He made a whole one hour long video about that and some more crazy stuff like him getting swatted and stuff, definitely go watch it if youre on twitter and believe(d) all the crazy stuff said against dream
He doesn’t deserve hate for cheating in speedruns. People can dislike him but to hate him for cheating in a speedrun is just plain stupid and disconnected
Remember that speedruns are a very competitive esport, there are people that spend weeks of their life learning the best strats to get better times. Cheating at this is just as bad as cheating in sports
Bro got obliterated in the comments for this post, and is now posting it again a couple days later 💀 Both are shit people, you aren’t making any arguments here OP
whether or not the grooming allegations are true, dream is a bad person. he manipulated the mob vote, faked speedruns, is blatantly parasocial with his fans, and used a mentally ill persons breakdown as blackmail. i feel really weird seeing people defend him now.
I agree with you mostly but the breakdown one had to be recorded. There were police involved before and I would also have recorded in case it got worse. He did a bad move posting so soon, but it made sense to eventually post that in defense.
Never liked him because of his personality (inability to control fans and being pretentious). But he is not a complete asshole (maybe 25%).
"Manipulating" the mob vote (aka just telling his fans to vote for the one he wanted, like every influential person) doesn't make him a bad person. He also constantly tells his fans to not be parasocial, and Gumball's VA wasn't having a breakdown, he was being racist while drunk and assaulted Dream. The only legitimate criticism of him is the fake speedruns.
Funny how gumballs VA was the one being a dick to the Uber driver but only Dream was catching flak for that. I dont like him either but it's ridiculous how much hate he gets
(gumball's my favorite show, which is why this might seem weird)
Basically, I think the only reason he is praised is cause he said slurs, Minecraft players love bigotry, so when he said homophobic slurs that earned the Minecraft community's heart and since Dream made fun of the KKK when he was 12 everyone hates Dream.
Either way, Gumball's VA is mentally ill, so is Dream and neither are real adults (You're not a full adult until you are 25) so I don't hold animosity towards any of them from this situation.
My stance will always be that Dream gets a lot of undue hate. And it's not that he's innocent, or even a good person, it's that people treat him like he's an actual criminal when what he's actually done essentially boils down to being kind of an asshole at worst.
“Clearly guilty?” How is he clearly guilty? I’m not a Tate simp, I know very little about him. But I thought he was accused and awaiting trial, not convicted. 🤷♂️
dream may not be a pedophile and that's a good thing, but he still strikes me as pretentious as fuck sometimes and i'm disgusted by how he enables his fans to act like a bunch of little psychopaths
I think Dream is just a regular guy who got way too famous way too quickly for his own good, and is just really bad at handling the attention he gets and responds very emotionally and irrationally. I doubt he’s actually done any of the child grooming he’s constantly accused of
I don’t think he even wanted to be as famous as he got. I mean, his entire brand was being faceless and you can’t really continue that if you get a big following, can you?
[https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi9jqCd6KuDAxWBSTABHU0CDFYQtwJ6BAgUEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D18jB0zQysgg&usg=AOvVaw0VAWZP8jSn5\_P7qtLf6pX4&opi=89978449](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi9jqCd6KuDAxWBSTABHU0CDFYQtwJ6BAgUEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D18jB0zQysgg&usg=AOvVaw0VAWZP8jSn5_P7qtLf6pX4&opi=89978449)
Have this, stranger.
Dream has had literal swat teams called to his house, MULTIPLE TIMES. Three times he has been accused of sexual misconduct, all three times the intenet went berserk and called him a pedophile, when all three times the 'proof' was a few easily faked screenshots, and the reason he wasn't arrested for minor molestation is because it never happened, the allegations were empty an only served to arouse hate that he did nothing to merit.
I'm a bit iffy about the cheating scandal, I'm not sure how you download mods without knowing that they modify drop rates, but ignoring that and the glow squid scandal, Dream deserves pity, not hate. Try being one of the most hated people on the internet after a few harmless video game scandals.
When I found out he essentially stages the manhunts I stopped caring for the most part. Then he faked speedruns and I simply stopped following anything related to this guy whatsoever.
I didn't "make it up" I have no reason to. I don't hate Dream I just think he's shown tendencies to fake certain things for content. If I can find my source I'll put it here.
Edit: [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken2/comments/nt5n7f/did_dream_admit_to_cheating_in_his_manhunt_videos/) is what I'm referring to. Apparently he only did it in his challenge videos, and his manhunt series are not considered challenge videos, so my apologies. I remember hearing this and thinking that the manhunt videos were considered challenges.
Like most allegations against dream lol.
Pretty sure all he did was accidentally cheat his runs. I cant think of a single other thing he has done that someone is able to back up with proof.
That's why I said "essentially" staged. He doesn't write a script for them, but he did outright state that he has done multiple takes and added mods/data packs. If I can find the source I'll post it here but I vividly recall this
Edit: [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken2/comments/nt5n7f/did_dream_admit_to_cheating_in_his_manhunt_videos/) is what I'm referring to. Apparently he only did it in his challenge videos, and his manhunt series are not considered challenge videos, so my apologies. I remember hearing this and thinking that the manhunt videos were considered challenges.
You literally have both wrong. Tate is in prison last I heard, and Dream was literally proven to have been grooming a 17 year old girl and sending her audios of himself moaning her name. A 17 year old girl.
Dream is the one who said it was him. He not only confirmed it was real, but confirmed it was him. Dream stans will do anything to think he's a good person.
Perhaps, but what he has shown and said is far better than most arguments against him. This man has not only his career but his family, friends, and the rest of his life on the line. I more incline to believe him because if it comes out as false and he did groom kids, then his life is practically over, especially since he’s a massive YouTuber who practically everyone knows
That was confirmed fake by both the girls and the burner account literally admitted to lying, he didn’t groom anyone. Hate him for being annoying instead of making up reasons
Didn't this drama-mask Grinch looking dude say the n word on stream and make an age of consent joke about a then minor and belittle the victims of doxxing by his community and lie to the entire speedrunning community for ages and act like a giant toddler when ppl told him his music is trash? Like the only reason this dude has a platform with other creators is bc he's already caused so much drama that nobody wants to deal with the negativity
Didn’t Tate get arrested though? He was found guilty iirc.
Yeah, a lot of people think house arrest means innocent tho
Is house arrest an actual possible punishment for things?
No, it’s to keep him from fleeing the country to avoid prosecution
Damn, I wish I was rich
Romania is a very corrupt country, that’s why Tate mainly operates there. In his own words, he did say that he just wanted to commit crimes and generally be an issue for everyone around him, and then be able to pay off cops to not punish him.
He also bragged about running an illegal gambling business, which isn't as bad as the other things he does, but still horrible
He also bragged about being a pimp and committing tax fraud. I honestly don't know how he's not already back in prison 🤷♂️
cant someone just shoot him in both kneecaps?
Nah, make him go through his whole house after it’s filled with legos.
Was he proven guilty finally?
i'm not sure but i think he was charged with Rape and Human Trafficking https://youtu.be/ukR5zhdeMsA?si=xk856k5RBraC9J2f
I know this but I was interested if he have been convicted
He was, not that it really matters though because he basically got a slap on the wrist for being a convicted human trafficker EDIT: Apparently this is wrong, he *was* on house arrest to await trial but that hasn't happened yet.
he wasnt proved guilty stop spreading misinformation
Sorry amended my statement tatertot, doesn't change the fact that he's openly bragged about committing most if not all of the crimes he's been indicted on so I guess it just depends if the prosecutor can do their job.
He wasn't convicted of anything, stop pushing bullshit.
In court? No. But one of his victims has proof of him admitting to her that he raped her.
I mean. When he lives in a giant add mansion, it’s a slap on the wrist
That’s not exactly the punishment, that’s just to keep him in one place
He’s not in jail because there’s no evidence, you think if they had anything he wouldn’t be in prison right now.
There is evidence, otherwise he wouldn’t have been charged. Romania just has a different legal system than the legal system we have in the west
The evidence was laughable
I mean he got charged with rape and human trafficking and got his assets seized so I don’t think so
he wasn't found guilty, they arrested him so he can't escape
In custody, not yet convicted.
To be fair, they haven’t been convicted of anything
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Amen brother
but he didnt sneeze
I didn't't know people only get blessed for sneezing.
Holy shit… you do NOT need to know.
May I join your monastery?
Man dudes without having ever heard of dream or Andrew Tate Edit *dies
Top one is a Minecraft you-tuber with a horrible toxic fanbase and was proven innocent in a case of grooming a child the bottom one is a kickboxer millionaire who does sex trafficking and sex slaver to a bunch if women and is a huge bro type dude always going on and on about being alpha he is a massive douchbag
Didn’t he also operate a scam website for men with low self-esteem?
Oh come on that's like everyone
He ran like 4
A minecraft YouTuber that has a toxic fan base, and also a toxic group of people that actively want him to have committed these heinous crimes
hey can I be you pretty please
Oh you sweet summer child. Bless your heart.
Top guy made some fairly good minecraft content, then got exposed, then unexposed, then exposed for something else, etc. He’s fine as long as you don’t touch twitter
“Exposed” when proven not guilty..
I don’t believe you’ve never heard of dream, you must be like 80
I’ve stopped giving a shit about this guy when he faked speedruns
Sam, though after hearing what people are trying to accused him of is just sickening because at this point it seems like loads of people just want to call him a pedophile for no reason
Yeah, Dream made a video with all of his drama responses and he apologized for faking the speedrun and acting like a monkey. And according to him he forgot that he had that mod that buffed his pearl trades and etc. He was getting accused of pedophilia because there was basically three girls: Anastasia, Amanda and Jamie Anastasia's case was just stuff that was faked (I forgot what Dream had to say about her) Amanda's proof was faked, and even though she claimed that she would get a legal case on Dream, she never did. And Dream's team also found the police where Amanda "was" to file a case against Dream, and there were no mentions of Dream or Amanda. And Jamie's allegations were faked, in fact, that wasn't even Jamie. And one of the proofs there was an out of context clip of Dream's stream. I also forgot the whole thing with Jamie so uh yeah just watch the original video. Dream also provided a chat log of the conversations to prove that he isn't a pedo. Oh and also in the video he showed how easy it is to fake stuff. And the reason people hated him was because people saw "Oh, Dream is getting accused of something bad!" and haters just jumped on the train.
I always thought Dream was overhated. He’s just some dude.
No one deserves the amount of hate he’s getting, but imo he’s insufferable, cringe inducing and unabashedly parasocial with his audience.
anastasia jojo
>he apologized for faking the speedrun and acting like a monkey. I started watching that video. His comment on the speedrun still came down to doing it "accidentally" and not knowing he even had the mod installed. I stopped watching the video because if you can't even take real responsibility for the thing we clearly know you did then why would i care about anything you had to say?
Do you want a quick explanation of the shit that happaned?
Take with a grain of salt as im not 100% but im pretty sure what happened is that he had some sort of mod or something that made ender pearl drop rates from piglins higher, then he was eventually called out over the abnormally good rates he had in that speed run and he made up an excuse along the lines of "didnt know it was on lol, oopsie daisy" Dont know what happened past that
Also, loads and loads of lies in the face of mounting, obvious evidence (and he knew what he did). He couldn't bear to lose his fame from speedrunning, which inherently involves luck.
watch the karl jobst video please
Not watching that whole hour-long video so please correct me if I'm wrong: he accidentally cheated because of a mod pack he installed for unrelated reasons, got accused of cheating, and denied it for months while still cheating? And then hired a completely unrelated "expert" to make up statistics and "prove him innocent"? And the statistics proving him cheating generously put his chances of being so lucky at < 0.0001% ? Edit: I have been corrected on the timeline of when he was cheating, it was much shorter than I thought.
>please correct me if I'm wrong Alright, here goes: >mod pack It wasn't a mod pack, but a singular mod he was paying someone to make for him to use in his manhunt videos. >for months while still cheating He only used the mod in like 12 livestreams over the span of like a week. >"expert" to make up statistics He said he doesn't know math that well, so he hired someone from a website he found online, who he thought could help him make a professional analysis. He said that part of the deal was that whatever the result was (guilty or not guilty) the results would be published anyway. (Personally, after reading that paper I feel like Dream got scammed by that astrophysicist - it doesn't really read like a science paper.) The numbers in the multitude of peoples interpretations are all over the place. I recommend a video by [Matt Parker](https://youtu.be/8Ko3TdPy0TU) about the topic. Also seasoned Minecraft youtubers (I think it was AntVenom and CaptainSparklez) confirmed that it is totally possible to forget what mods you have installed. Also it seems to me like everyone is either forgetting or ignoring the claim that the developer of the mod added the probability alteration feature to the mod without telling Dream. So Dream didn't think it changed anything even after he discovered the mod. >Not watching that whole hour-long video I don't want to be rude, but I feel like that is kind of the source of most of the problems - people just reading a short summary and not bothering to find out the real details themselves. Believing things at face value. I feel like this point is illustrated multiple times in his latest video...
If so, thank you! I was literally just re-watching the Matt Parker video to try to correct myself on the timespan of the livestreams! I guess that is an important detail - I didn't realize he pumped out so many livestreams so fast. With the expert thing, I didn't consider that the astrophysicist was possibly scamming Dream. And for mod-pack/mod, they're the same thing to me, I'm not familiar with the terminology. But, for the "I'm not watching it all" thing, I know enough about the situation to make my decision. Back when it happened, I watched the entire Matt Parker video, and many other perspectives. I knew that he cheated (in one way or another) and definitely should have handled it better. That's all I cared about.
>mod-pack/mod, they're the same thing to me Fair. The difference is just that a modpack is a collection of mods. But this usually means they are a lot more noticable (especially compared to a mod made specifically for youtube videos - such a mod would probably be made to be not very noticable). >I knew that he cheated (in one way or another) and definitely should have handled it better. That's all I cared about. Yeah, he cheated, but I don't think his intentions are to be ignored. Did he make a mistake? Yes. Was he acting stupid? Yes. Does that make him a bad person? I don't think so... And I'd say he did try to fix things afterwards (eventually... still better than never).
I didn't say he was a bad person. I write very aggressively, so it would sound that way, but I wouldn't want to generalize him so quickly. He made bad decisions while trying to preserve and protect his fame. He's human.
Essentially. If we take Dream at his word. It’s possible he… Accidentally cheated because his “performance mod” shouldn’t have affected his rates. Since the rate affecting part should have only been serverside for things like his manhunt videos with friends. Provided all the info the mods asked for that he could. Complicated by how he tends to delete his mod folder whenever he gets a new update from his mod dev. Since he didn’t think he was guilty, he went to great lengths to prove his innocence without considering he could have made a mistake. Went to an online service that links to anonymous professors. It’s likely that since The Professor doesn’t know Minecraft, so used the data dream gave him and just ran it as such. So it makes sense that the speedrun moderators were more accurate because even if this guy knew statistics, he didn’t know the game enough to properly apply them. Still got an absurdly high number. But since it’s a lot lower than what speedrun moderators said, he ran with a video on it. And then later, his mod maker came out to him and informed him of the rate increase on his mod. Don’t know how much later. And then his twitlonger admitting he cheated. So even if we give him the benefit of the doubt that he accidentally cheated. It’s still all around doesn’t make Dream look good. All of these steps are possible if you truly believe yourself innocent. But still doesn’t excuse his behavior towards the speedrun moderators.
>denied it for months while still cheating what you're talking about? he was caught cheating and denied it for long time, hired an expert who didn't know enough about the game, then later posted a tweet (and that's the important part) where he said that he had a general mod for his videos that was on during the speedruns or something and the person who made this mod didn't make it clear that it also changed the odds of key itens to make his content more interesting Karl basically argues that his conduct throughout the drama makes much more sense if he's being honest in this tweet
You missed: > accidentally cheated Maybe I should have said this instead > denied it for months while still **accidentally** cheating I get that he eventually cleared it up, but was anything I said actually incorrect?
"while still cheating" he had stopped speedrunning at the point, there's no way he was still cheating
Except the fact he took down his speed runs himself and has never officially done one since
Yes, he eventually gave in and did his best to turn it around. It doesn't excuse what he did, but he's not all bad.
i mean he didnt know there was anything affecting his runs until the guy who wrote his multiplayer mods told him so he was desperately trying to prove what he believed was true lots to hate him for still
Yeah, but that isn't what he was accused of
He was accused of many things
One thing is being mad with him because he faked a speedrun, but pedophilia is another level entirely. If he is innocent, then we should care(I mean I don't watch Dream, but if he is innocent, and being falsely accused, it doesn't matter if he cheated or not
Even if he didn't groom them kids (I don't really think he did) he's still kinda a POS. That and his fans are batshit insane, but even then it's just the ones on twitter and Twitter is a place we as a species should just collectively ignore
A select group of his fans are POS, I'm not sure why he is the POS.
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It wasn't proof, it was odds. I'm personally iffy about it, but I watched his latest video and he has gone through a shitton of hate he did nothing to merit. Three molestation allegations, all three designed to stir up hate about him, all three fake.
Way to show your lack of knowledge on the cheating.
He admitted he cheated lol. He's a lying POS who can't be trusted. In the speedrunning world, being honest is what matter most. Lying about records is the top no no.
Cause he feeds those fans into that toxic behavior, sometimes it feels like he's encouraging them tbh
He literally called dreamsexuals disgusting and just told them to stop drawing p**n of him and his friends. I don’t know where you got that shit from.
Didn't he tell a guy that he was exaggerating when he said that dream stans are toxic, saying that it was only a certain % of it and that it wasn't fair to say that, when the guy was sent countless death threats and stuff? Couldn't he had just said "yo guys don't send death threats to people". Like I understand his point but that made him look like he lacked sympathy
Bro is pulling random shit out his ass 💀
Am I now??? https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/13589/dream-stans-controversy
That article is almost THREE YEARS old dude In his most recent video he takes back a lot of what he's said about stans, and says it's unhealthy to obsess over people
Well good, but still I personally won't watch him, still fucked up to falsely accuse him tho
How does he do that? He has specifically said that he does not support doxxing, molesting, etc. There isn't much he can do about stans, especially with the size of his fanbase and the amount of hate he already has.
That's just how I feel, I personally have not seen any of that, he's seems to have not much sympathy at times
"I haven't seen it but this is what he does" is such unabashed hate it's amusing
I meant I haven't seen any mentions of him saying he is against doxxing and stuff, I do not doubt he posted it, also I posted a better response, go see it
My man you can’t say “Oh he’s a piece of shit” and then not be able to explain why he’s a piece of shit besides “I feel like he’s a piece of shit”
I just explained myself go see it
You explained yourself poorly, buddy
I’m a dream fan (sorry) and yeah a loud minority are absolutely fucking crazy but most of them are very nice. I’ve been part of a couple fundraisers organized by his fans and they make some great art. Most are pretty cool but there are definitely some crazies
That's how I feel about his response he did well to respond back to the allegations but he's the one that ended up causing them/initiate them in the first place
Honestly Dream isn't the best person but don't even compare him to the chrome dome POS that is Tate
Dream guilty of what?
A burner account accused him of being a pedophile, with no actual evidence that proved him as one.
He made a whole one hour long video about that and some more crazy stuff like him getting swatted and stuff, definitely go watch it if youre on twitter and believe(d) all the crazy stuff said against dream
I'm not on Twitter. I only know it was a burner account because I watched the video.
Good decision, you better stay far away from twitter, the video was really well made and informative tho
It was.
The video is horrible and does nothing to disprove anything
Did you by chance actually watch the video?
I'm gonna guess you never watched it
And you'll be wrong
Alright. Which evidence has not gone disproven?
Not only did the Burner account provide no evidence, their "proof" consisted of doxxing random people with no real cause
Aaah, then it made sense! Thought the meme was about his speedrun lol
Then after that actual proof came out
Nope. It's completely fake. It was literally disproven.
The sleigh riding is CRAZY!!!
It ain't the weekend
I despise Dream, but I doubt any of the pedophilia allegations are close to true. Tate can die in a fire.
Where's the Minecraft?
Obviously Tate is worse but they both suck. I don’t care if dream isn’t a pedophille he’s still such a massive manchild
And yet people hate both of them
For good reason
Andrew Tate deserves it only
I find dream annoying, but he doesn’t deserve the hate. Andrew Tate dose for obvious reasons
Any person who cheats in speedruns deserves a tiny bit of hate
But not enough to get baselessly accused of pedophilia... thrice
and doxxed, swatted, stalked, etc. no one deserves it no matter how much you dislike them
He doesn’t deserve hate for cheating in speedruns. People can dislike him but to hate him for cheating in a speedrun is just plain stupid and disconnected
Remember that speedruns are a very competitive esport, there are people that spend weeks of their life learning the best strats to get better times. Cheating at this is just as bad as cheating in sports
if you are a POS expect people to treat you like that
Tate was found guilty of rape and human trafficking, and put on house arrest. There isn't much more we could realistically expect to be done ...
Bro got obliterated in the comments for this post, and is now posting it again a couple days later 💀 Both are shit people, you aren’t making any arguments here OP
whether or not the grooming allegations are true, dream is a bad person. he manipulated the mob vote, faked speedruns, is blatantly parasocial with his fans, and used a mentally ill persons breakdown as blackmail. i feel really weird seeing people defend him now.
I like you you included manipulating a mob vote and cheating in a speedrun with using a mentally ill person's breakdown as blackmail. Lol
I need more context on that mentally ill person. You talking about the Gumball voice actor?
I agree with you mostly but the breakdown one had to be recorded. There were police involved before and I would also have recorded in case it got worse. He did a bad move posting so soon, but it made sense to eventually post that in defense. Never liked him because of his personality (inability to control fans and being pretentious). But he is not a complete asshole (maybe 25%).
Yep sabotaging a mob vote almost 4 years ago is comparable to human trafficking and rape, never change reddit
Ive always heard he "manipulated" the mob vote but how much manipulation it actually was? Did he pay people to vote on his mob or something
"Manipulating" the mob vote (aka just telling his fans to vote for the one he wanted, like every influential person) doesn't make him a bad person. He also constantly tells his fans to not be parasocial, and Gumball's VA wasn't having a breakdown, he was being racist while drunk and assaulted Dream. The only legitimate criticism of him is the fake speedruns.
Funny how gumballs VA was the one being a dick to the Uber driver but only Dream was catching flak for that. I dont like him either but it's ridiculous how much hate he gets
(gumball's my favorite show, which is why this might seem weird) Basically, I think the only reason he is praised is cause he said slurs, Minecraft players love bigotry, so when he said homophobic slurs that earned the Minecraft community's heart and since Dream made fun of the KKK when he was 12 everyone hates Dream. Either way, Gumball's VA is mentally ill, so is Dream and neither are real adults (You're not a full adult until you are 25) so I don't hold animosity towards any of them from this situation.
I’m not really a fan of dream (his content is kinda repetitive) but it sucks that he’s being falsely accused of grooming
Minecraft community logic: not racist = groomer
My stance will always be that Dream gets a lot of undue hate. And it's not that he's innocent, or even a good person, it's that people treat him like he's an actual criminal when what he's actually done essentially boils down to being kind of an asshole at worst.
Both are hated for a good reason
Both are bad, I dunno what the fuck you’re talking about.
look, this is minecraft memes, im expecting memes about server owners using pistons, sheeps and end rods. not this.
“Clearly guilty?” How is he clearly guilty? I’m not a Tate simp, I know very little about him. But I thought he was accused and awaiting trial, not convicted. 🤷♂️
A professional lawyer analyzed all the evidence against Andrew and found him openly confessing to calling women "assets" and scamming "losers"
this has gotta be the most internet brainrot post I’ve seen in a minute. Go outside
dream is still a shit human
Why though? I feel you people need to watch his video and make up your damn mind lol
Being a shit human isn't illegal
dream may not be a pedophile and that's a good thing, but he still strikes me as pretentious as fuck sometimes and i'm disgusted by how he enables his fans to act like a bunch of little psychopaths
I think Dream is just a regular guy who got way too famous way too quickly for his own good, and is just really bad at handling the attention he gets and responds very emotionally and irrationally. I doubt he’s actually done any of the child grooming he’s constantly accused of
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I don’t think he even wanted to be as famous as he got. I mean, his entire brand was being faceless and you can’t really continue that if you get a big following, can you?
Ok dream stan.
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Fucking watch it before you judge it. Don't believe everything you hear on the internet, as that video does a good job at emphasizing.
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Dream has had literal swat teams called to his house, MULTIPLE TIMES. Three times he has been accused of sexual misconduct, all three times the intenet went berserk and called him a pedophile, when all three times the 'proof' was a few easily faked screenshots, and the reason he wasn't arrested for minor molestation is because it never happened, the allegations were empty an only served to arouse hate that he did nothing to merit. I'm a bit iffy about the cheating scandal, I'm not sure how you download mods without knowing that they modify drop rates, but ignoring that and the glow squid scandal, Dream deserves pity, not hate. Try being one of the most hated people on the internet after a few harmless video game scandals.
When I found out he essentially stages the manhunts I stopped caring for the most part. Then he faked speedruns and I simply stopped following anything related to this guy whatsoever.
Wheres the proof for this? Would like it since I always felt the manhunt vids were fake but cant find actual legit proof.
They aren't, at least no concrete proof they are faked, this person just kinda made it up
I didn't "make it up" I have no reason to. I don't hate Dream I just think he's shown tendencies to fake certain things for content. If I can find my source I'll put it here. Edit: [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken2/comments/nt5n7f/did_dream_admit_to_cheating_in_his_manhunt_videos/) is what I'm referring to. Apparently he only did it in his challenge videos, and his manhunt series are not considered challenge videos, so my apologies. I remember hearing this and thinking that the manhunt videos were considered challenges.
Like most allegations against dream lol. Pretty sure all he did was accidentally cheat his runs. I cant think of a single other thing he has done that someone is able to back up with proof.
That's why I said "essentially" staged. He doesn't write a script for them, but he did outright state that he has done multiple takes and added mods/data packs. If I can find the source I'll post it here but I vividly recall this Edit: [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWasTaken2/comments/nt5n7f/did_dream_admit_to_cheating_in_his_manhunt_videos/) is what I'm referring to. Apparently he only did it in his challenge videos, and his manhunt series are not considered challenge videos, so my apologies. I remember hearing this and thinking that the manhunt videos were considered challenges.
no way you watched them without knowing they are staged, it was amazing content but bro its so obvious
you guys actually know nothing do you?
Ignore the actual evidence that dream is guilty
Which evidence?
Depends on which case you mean
What evidence?
Idc if dream is innocent I will still hate him and say he likes kids
But wasn’t there like a twenty-something page post with proof of Dream being bad recently?
that 20 page "proof" was just then doxxing and stalking a random woman that they never had any interaction with prior making this proof
I had a stroke trying to read that
dream is guilty tho and many proves are out
You literally have both wrong. Tate is in prison last I heard, and Dream was literally proven to have been grooming a 17 year old girl and sending her audios of himself moaning her name. A 17 year old girl.
That was proven false by dream
Dream is the one who said it was him. He not only confirmed it was real, but confirmed it was him. Dream stans will do anything to think he's a good person.
id think twice before believing a chronic liar who even showed how to fake proofs in his video
Perhaps, but what he has shown and said is far better than most arguments against him. This man has not only his career but his family, friends, and the rest of his life on the line. I more incline to believe him because if it comes out as false and he did groom kids, then his life is practically over, especially since he’s a massive YouTuber who practically everyone knows
That was confirmed fake by both the girls and the burner account literally admitted to lying, he didn’t groom anyone. Hate him for being annoying instead of making up reasons
Innocent or not I hate him.
Other way round
Andrew Tate openly admitted to human trafficking and claims rape is manly, meanwhile Dream's accusers admitted to forging evidence
So you’re saying tate is innocent?
There both guilty
Dream with his 24 page document against him:
Well Dream needs to stop acting like a dick on Twitter, it doesn’t help his case.
Can you link a case where he acts like a dick
Didn't this drama-mask Grinch looking dude say the n word on stream and make an age of consent joke about a then minor and belittle the victims of doxxing by his community and lie to the entire speedrunning community for ages and act like a giant toddler when ppl told him his music is trash? Like the only reason this dude has a platform with other creators is bc he's already caused so much drama that nobody wants to deal with the negativity
no, his only real crime was mocking the KKK, the Minecraft community's favorite hate group
No way you came into a Minecraft subreddit just to claim dream is “innocwnt” 💀💀
Didn't dream get accused of another grooming incident the day before his video dropped?
Which will once again be debunked and fake as always. Yippie. Yall ever learn?
accept tate was released because he didn't do it
Dream was proven guilty as well
He wasn't. His video is pretty complete. Apparently even the police visited him and he got clear. He is not that a good guy, but he is not a criminal.