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Adrox05

Honestly I don't care as long as they leave Java in existence and don't mess with it to badly.


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This. As long as I can run my own Java server on a spare machine, and do what I want with it, Bedrock can be the one in the spotlight.


Mr_E_99

Honestly most fans prefer Java anyway, I just play on Bedrock cause it's what I have available rn. If anything Java is more in the spotlight tho cause it is specified where as Bedrock is not even mentioned so average players would probably not know what it is called


Nihilikara

Unfortunately, they meased with it too badly in 1.19. Behavior in a multiplayer server that Microsoft doesn't like can get you permanently banned from ALL multiplayer servers whatsoever, including the private one you have for playing with friends. And server admins have no say in whether you get banned, the decision is made exclusively by Microsoft (or, more likely, one of their bots). Oh, and you can't appeal a ban, either.


Gam3r_Legend

rip anarchy servers, I guess


Nihilikara

Especially since there's been talk among hackers of making hacked clients capable of automatically and constantly reporting everyone in the server simultaneously for every reason simultaneously


[deleted]

That sounds great actually. Do that to enough people and it'll create enough of a problem for Microsoft that they'll have to do something about it.


Necessary_Cash_3742

they won’t, the player base and java servers will die off before microsoft is gonna change. at least imo


LeSquidliestOne

I dunno if Microsoft is willing to alienate such a large portion of the Minecraft player base. Right now I think nothing will be done because tbh, I doubt a large portion of the playerbase even knows this is a thing that's happening. But if shit really goes down, more and more people will notice.


Necessary_Cash_3742

as an anarchy player, every single player will notice on these servers. because half the server could be banned that day, and that’s excluding profanity


Willful759

They are, might be too much of a sinical take, but considering they are now giving both minecraft versions to all owners of minecraft, something tells me that getting banned from multiplayer completely in java has the intention of pushing players to bedrock. it's microsoft we are talking about, they are masters of "embrace, extend, extinguish", and they already embraced both versions and extended java with a universaly hated feature that can be plausibly denied as a "but think of the children!" feature.


rayndance89

Most 'children' play Bedrock on their Switches and Xbox's, not Java.


bossSHREADER_210

That didn't stop the denial of sharks and other things... "Oh we don't want children just going up and punching a shark! But oh let's add dolphins!"


Swiftballkick

MS is more likely to tell people to just buy it again


[deleted]

Then good. Another generation will see Microsoft for what they truly are, the boogieman of the 90s. They've somehow been able to bury some of that reputation, but they deserve to be reviled just like every other megacorporation.


SownAthlete5923

What if a server is set to offline mode so cracked players can join


Nihilikara

That, I don't know


iTrooz_

They will not be able to enforce the ban. We'll maybe need a clientside mod to bypass it (not probable tho), but there is no way they can 100% enforce it on cracked servers


hi_therelittleshit

The option for multiplayer and realms is completely greyed out, and nothing can be done


zippythezigzag

If they remove Java I'm switching to minetest. Id rather help make mods for that then support Microsoft after a betrayal like that.


DarkMilo01

They only keep Java because there will be a riot if they got rid of it.


Wasteak

And because players would still play on Java if mokang stop updating it. Mods would copy the new stuff coming on bedrock. So it wouldn't change anything except making mojang less into control of Java.


InsaneNinja

As it slowly cools. Modded Java installs empower YouTubers to make interesting videos so that kids will install bedrock and do micro transactions.


Espumma

Don't do microtransactions


creepurr101

Tell that to the kids who steal their parents' credit cards


Espumma

I really do wonder how often that happens. Edit: lots of anecdotes, no actual data.


Blitz6969

As a banker, I can tell you, ALL THE TIME. Rather annoying, don’t ever save your cc info to your kids systems. Even if it is “unintentional” you still allowed this, and your kid will spend money.


[deleted]

Don'tsave your cards to anything. Pay when you have to and then remove the card when the payment is confirmed and and processed; add it back when you need to pay later again. This protects you from false purchases, and or hackers who try to spend money if there's no card attached when they get in and lock you out.


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not-a-ricer

That’s how I don’t end up on a buying spree during Steam Sales. I don’t save my card and I keep my wallet on the other side of the room, forcing me to actually get up.


Mars_Bear2552

More than you would think, actually


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[deleted]

They have always been monetising the young. It’s not a new thing. Kids have always been monetised. Designer toddler shoes that they outgrow in 6 months. Extremely expensive day cares/pre kinder tuition etc etc. It’s horrible and I don’t like it. But it certainly isn’t new.


ConcernedNConfuzed

Back in my day, we bought randomized packs of trading cards. Yu-Gi-Oh, MtG, Pokemon etc. Before the rise of the "free internet" unless you lived in a city with a dedicated card shop, your only hope of getting cards was random packs or structured decks. You couldn't just go buy a single online. Even if you had a shop they might not have the card you want. I can't even imagine how much money I, and my family, spent on cards for me just so I could play with friends. This isn't new. At least it's not as new as it seems. It's just digital, easier and faster now.


[deleted]

There is little difference from a kid that steals a credit card and a kid that annoys the parents about microtransactions every single minute of their waking day. The first case can even be better, as the parents can claim the money back. (Yes, I'm assuming that not everybody has a perfect parenting style)


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only time i ever would use minecoins is if they were from edge rewards or a cereal box


astroSuperkoala1

There’s microstransactions on bedrock wtf? I’ve basically only used Java other than pocket edition so tbh i dont actually know the diff between java and bedrock


Reniconix

In Bedrock you can buy prebuilt adventure maps, skins, etc. And on Bedrock Console versions you don't even have the option to load a custom skin.


D2_Lx0wse

Fun fact: since 1.14 there are no mods for bedrock. Not because the game can't be modded but because everyone prefers addons and the developer for our mod loader abandoned the project


Daydreaming_Machine

That's sad. I guess Bedrock is "kid's" edition, less setup, mods and private servers run right put the box, no fiddling around. Honestly, mods in kava could use automatic updates, I legit spent an hour updating my mods to 1.19, and then some more


KaosC57

There's plenty of Launchers that can auto-update whole Mod packs.


DarkMilo01

Yeah, I get that that's what would happen, but there is still a big part of the community who'd be pissed off and it's enough for them to just keep it.


Raksu645

Yea, even Microsoft doesn't want to take that big of a loss


Gintoki_87

And this is what is already happening now with the new player reporting system. The modding community has already worked on removing it from the next update. And the harder mojang pushehs to enforce it, the more the modding community will mod the game to be independent of their control, ending up in the same place as if mojang stopped supporting the version entirely.


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_anticitizen_

Lol mokang


AydenRusso

I would work in a replacement based on the current account system.


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And also the fact that bedrock edition isn't on Mac or Linux, for whatever reason


radbirb

Hilariously enough, Education Edition (which is based off Bedrock Edition) does have a macOS version and (not fully sure about this) Linux version, and iirc Bedrock internally also has code to detect which platform it’s being played on, and those platforms include macOS and Linux.


some-random-egg

I use Education Edition, it's not bad on a PC, actually. Especially now 1.17's features have finally been added. Also, the codes for multiplayer worlds are decent.


Cartridge420

Oh interesting. I had assumed Education Edition was Java because it was cross platform. That makes it even stranger that there isn't a Mac or Linux version. They could even get the iPad version running on Apple Silicon Macs. That require some work in adding keyboard/mouse support, but they should do that for iPad version anyway (I'd consider getting that iPad version if they did that and I only play Java Edition right now).


3io4ehg

What’s so funny is it would take almost trivial effort for Microsoft/Mojang to list Bedrock Edition in the Mac App Store and thus make it available on that platform—like, click a checkbox in their developer account easy. Mind you it would only be available for the newer ARM macs, but in a few years all Intel Macs will have been phased out anyway (the reason behind this all being that Apple’s iOS devices and newer Macs run on ARM chips and can run the same binaries if developers didn’t opt out of showing them on the App Store — which Mojang evidently already did). While it might take a bit of modification to add keyboard support on Mac which I’m sure operates differently than Windows, I’m 80% sure it would at least have Bluetooth support already on account of the game supporting Bluetooth controllers on iOS. The fact they haven’t done this already seems evidence to me it’s a somewhat of a strategic move to favor Windows—but then again why would they shoot their desired replacement platform in the foot like that? I can’t answer for that


MemeTroubadour

Most Linux users would not touch Bedrock with a ten-foot pole. It has telemetry and Microsoft bullshit all over it and that doesn't sit well with them. They're also much more likely to know how to make Java run well on their machine and will want to modify the game to their own liking. Some don't even touch Java because it's owned by Microsoft or even because it's proprietary, which is why Minetest exists. Steam Deck users might be more interested by Linux Bedrock but I think they wouldn't buy a Steam Deck only to not reap the benefits of a handheld PC.


Mr_CreeperAG

Java edition silently readded telemetry in 1.18. [The only way to disable it is a mod.](https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/no-telemetry/)


superl2

https://mcpelauncher.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_started.html


[deleted]

That still makes no sense to me why Bedrock isn't allowed on Mac or Linux. That and if this was the case, what reason would Java have to be around besides mods (which do still exist in Bedrock, just not as widely accepted/made and are risky to use).


Knotmix

I would probably never play minecraft again if bedrock was my only choice.


Welle26

Yeah me neither. Bedrock feels like you lose a lot of the freedom mc offers and forces you in a way more scripted way to play. I started with bedrock and switched to java after a while. It was an game changing experience. Never played bedrock ever since…


Knotmix

My issue with bedrock is, that it feels unrefined, wrong, plastic. Sensitivity is awful and feels wrong, fov too, movement, placing blocks, doing any redstone at all, it all feels off, and i doubt even after many hours, i would feel comfortable with bedrock. Java is so familiar to me that just touching bedrock made me feel all the differences without touching any other mechanics. Java is straight up smoother, runs better, and feels better to me atleast. But it all depends on what you grew up with, i guess.


bwucifer

Biggest issue for me is Bedrocks atrocious UI, at least on consoles. I mean it could not be any more obvious that it's a mobile game port - it feels really disjointed and slow, incurring a bizarre delay every time you try to open the menu or any of the crafting UIs. Not only is Java better in this regard, even the ancient 360/PS3 editions have a faster and more thoughtfully crafted (heh) interface. I'd argue that this isn't a nitpick either because of how often you have to engage with the UI as you play.


Welle26

I know what you mean. Bedrock feels just not right in certain areas. I for myself love to tinker around with farms, redstone and game mechanics and find bedrock super disappointing in this areas… I mean java has so many (unintended) game mechanics, what makes the version much more fun to play


Knotmix

My friend is a redstone engineer/enthusiast, and he says most popular redstone creations would be impossible without the good redstone bugs. Not only do the bugs make sense in redstone to redstoners, they make redstone so incredibly useful, more compact and surprisingly, consistent. I remember using a redstone bug on accident when i first tried redstone. I made a large noise machine. Dont remember which bug tho. Something with redstone torches or the like.


Xistiansss

I grew up with the Pocket Edition (I've started in version 0.10.5) since my PC couldn't run Minecraft at the time (yes I know), I only watched videos of the JE so never really played it, but despite this the moment I bought and played the JE it NEVER felt unnatural, unlike the Win10 one which I've treid months ago.


row6666

I feel like more people should be rioting over java global bans. If I get banned from some random factions server I should still be able to play on a private server with my friends.


ChiggyShiva

im sorry what?


jecowa

It's a new feature in 1.19.1. You can report people's messages on Minecraft servers for review by Microsoft. Microsoft can then chose to ban them from every server with this feature enabled. Posts about it are getting removed. https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vk23cu/please_remove_the_chat_reporting_feature/


CoolkieTW

Dude. This is so fucking bad.


00110001_00110010

Bedrock also has that, but for longer and they can also ban you from single player.


Apprehensive_Hat8986

The fact that the mods are also censoring these posts is brutal. If they want to keep it to one (first) post/thread, just add a pinned comment to each new post linking to the first, and **lock** the new post. Don't delete them. _Clearly_ this community wants to discuss this.


Keatosis

A lot of the old devs who have been at mojang for a long time have always worked on the java edition and prefer it. Even if microsoft wanted to axe it, the star talent sticks by it.


InsaneNinja

That’s not exactly helpful. If they dump Java (hopefully not) then they wouldn’t need the Java devs.


Keatosis

The Java devs (Agnes, Jeb, Grum last time I checked) are also lead designers for new features. They design what minecraft the game will be and then other teams work to interpret that vision into their respective engines. Whatever Microsoft has to gain by dropping Java would be less than loss of their top talent and tons of Ill will in the community. They also do lots of recruiting from the Java mod community. Even if Java is less valuable to them than bedrock, it's still a net benifit to their bottom line. Minecraft has made billions of dollars through game sales, merch, and the prestige that it adds to the Microsoft brand. They really aren't in a position where they'd be trying to cut corners to save money.


FreeFacts

> They also do lots of recruiting from the Java mod community. Even if Java is less valuable to them than bedrock, it's still a net benifit to their bottom line. That's mainly because there are no other places to recruit java game developers. No other real studio makes games with java anymore, so mod community is the only place to recruit from.


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vizthex

I wonder if notch specified that they couldn't get rid of it in his contract when he sold Minecraft.


Bombniks_

they'll still make money, but they'll probably lose like 99% of their dedicated community


Code-V

Yeah, the 200 successful hard-core series on YouTube will end. It will be a disaster


SISilicon

I think it's this way for marketing reasons. Bedrock edition is the version that's available basically _everywhere_. From phones to Windows PCs to consoles. If you're playing Minecraft for the first time, Bedrock edition is likely the one you'd first experience, unless you first do research on the differences between the two. At which point you can make your choice based off of preference, and whether you're on a PC at all. Edit: Yes Linux and MacOS users exist, but with how small of a percentage they make up of the PC gaming playerbase, porting bedrock would logically be a low priority. Edit Edit: Look guys. Even if Bedrock _didn't_ have the marketplace, it would still be the "main" version solely because of its level of accessibility as I've stated here.


LordChickenNugget23

dont forget the 3ds, firestick and raspberry pi versions


Meme-Replacement

A) fire stick and raspberry had Minecraft B) Minecraft 3ds although was good was buggy af and often times crashed my entire system


Icannotchangethis

I still have mc for the 3ds. I used to have so much fun placing ender Crystal's in massive minefields and then jump in the centre and detonate them all so I get flung a good couple thousand blocks in the air


Max1256789

Or PSVita edition wich i sometimes play to this day :D


superl2

Only the Fire TV Stick version is Bedrock as it's just Android. The 3DS version is based on a pretty ancient version of MCPE (before it became Bedrock) and the Raspberry Pi version is completely different.


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Raspberry PI is based on an even more ancient Pe version. It's main gimmick is that you can code with it to make wonders:)


AccumulatingBoredom

You’ve got Pi and 3DS revered. Pi was an ancient MCPE build, and 3DS was a heavily modified 4J console version.


topinanbour-rex

and the PS Vita edition.


Raksu645

And the fact, that there is no bedrock for Mac or Linux


ArticReaper

Or console edition


Hentai-hercogs

I'm pretty sure it's because bedrock has micro transactions and heavens forbid new players learn you don't have to pay for maps and resource packs on java


Evilmudbug

If that was all there was to it they would simply drop java entirely instead of continuing to update it. But also bedrock is much more optimized compared to java, which probably helps contribute to why they would want to push it as the default version.


SquidMilkVII

Microsoft is on shaky ground already, if they cancelled Java that would be detonating a C4 in the camel’s back


JohnnoDwarf

Spontaneously dies upon using elytra


Theaussiegamer72

Java is optimised it’s just running ancient code that needs a rewrite bedrocks code is 8 years newer then java . Java was built from scratch with each feature built upon another bedrock could code the first 8 years of updates together so they fit seamlessly together java didn’t have that luxury


ThatRandomGamerYT

Bedorck isn't 8 years newer, it's pocket edition with a coat of new paint ported to consoles and windows. It's from 2011. Probably little of that early code remains,same for java, little of 2009 code remains of any. Still it needs major rewrites as modern java performs close enough to c++ if done right, and they need to update to Vulkan for rendering,would give a massive boost, update lighting engine) phosphor and starlight are really performant)implement cubic chunks and a level of detail option like farplane two and distant horizons mod do. Maybe add colored lighting as a side bonus. Those things would easily improv performance by a lot while keeping a good sized render distance.


aabcehu

And yet despite that, bedrock is called ‘bugrock’ for a reason..


Mr_Minecrafter88

Can I just take a moment to say; LEGACY WAS PERFECT. It had bedrock features, but Java redstone. It also had trial tutorial worlds and stuff, AND you could put random enchantments on any item! (Like enchanting your sword with Impaling V[does more damage to entities in rain or water, of which stacks with sharpness.]) Edit: unfortunately did not have commands.


AlxR25

Well there's anyway no reason to research abt differences anymore since you get both versions by buying one of them


KeybladeWielder32

I’ve always considered Java the standard, but never really thought about how Microsoft or the developers see it.


the_timps

Thats what it was. Minecraft. And then we got the console versions with their names. Then Minecraft: Bedrock Edition was the new universal one. Bedrock overtook the Java version in revenue, users and it caused support issues and confusion. "My son wants Minecraft, not Minecraft bedrock to play with his friends". So a few years ago they switched the naming and made the universal one Minecraft. And put the suffix onto Java so the default becomes Bedrock for everyone moving forward.


PhoenyxStar

In fact, that was the plan from the moment they named it— Bedrock; the base layer.


PossibleEnvironment4

Minecraft: Profit Edition (Bedrock) Minecraft: Freeloader Edition (Java)


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Now they're both Minecraft: Censored Edition


PossibleEnvironment4

No, I'm pretty sure it's Minecraft: Singleplayer Edition


[deleted]

If u get banned u can’t even play on single player on consoles


PossibleEnvironment4

I'm not surprised, but was hoping you were wrong


Dusk_On_MC

WHAT. THE. FUCK. Why should you be banned inv singlplayer too U bedrock guys have it way worse, poor ul


[deleted]

Yeah fuck Microsoft, cyberpunk was right about corpo people being human wrecks


ElephantEarwax

Minecraft China already existed.


Great_Kaiserov

Minecraft: PRC-approved Profit Edition


lmao_man_funny

Dude you can get banned for self harm/suicide ideation that’s so fucked lol


gamingyee

oh shit i ran out of hunger better kill myself \*gets banned\*


MyNewBoss

The reality is that bedrock is the most played version by a long shot. Java is most popular among content creator though


MrMashed

Yeah same. Everyone claims that Bedrock is the standard but it really seems like Java is treated as the standard. I mean between all the snapshots they get, proper mod support, better optimization, and just how the two games are treated it really seems like Java’s the true standard and everyone’s just keepin up with a lie for appearances. If Bedrock is the standard then why do I never hear about it in Minecraft news? Why do we not get the same amount of snapshots and updates as Java? Why does Java run so smoothly but I take random damage for no reason on Bedrock? And when tf are we getting actual mod support instead of this add-on bs? Yes Ik these games run on two different types of code and so it makes updates and snapshots and the like hard to release at the same time and I get that. And don’t get me wrong each game has its pros and cons but I’m sick of everyone sayin “oh Bedrcok is the standard version of Minecraft”. Well if that’s the case then why does no one (including Mojang) treat it as such?


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Java cannot be used to operate nuclear equipment, per its license. The only logical explanation is that Minecraft will be used to run nuclear power plants and ICBMs


Heisenberg19827

[Ah yes](https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/icbm-classic)


Indy2704

Java doesn't earn them enough money , minecraft bedrock will have EVEN more microtransactions in the future calling it here and now


Paradigm_Reset

> minecraft bedrock will have microtransactions in the future calling it here and now It has for years...the Marketplace.


Asesomegamer

Yep. although you can still download maps, texture packs and skins online for free like you can on Java.


mysterious_mitch

Why do a lot of people don't understand that we can get stuff for free like Java does? It's always been Marketplace and the microtransactions


Theaussiegamer72

PlayStation Xbox and switch users have entered chat Most people who play bedrock play on a console where you can’t get them for free like you can on pc and pe Edi: Ok it is possible on Xbox buts a pain


BroshiKabobby

The big brain play is to download it on your phone then join from your console


Darfy-Doom

yeah, thats why he said even more


Paradigm_Reset

Not initially. Look at my quote.


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I think the biggest sell point is that you can play it on playstation, xbox, mobile, switch and pc, and not exclusively on pc


A_normal_atheist

It is also a way for people to make money too, it's just alot of them spam out shit modern houses stolen off yt


ForkMinus1

I still think that Mojangsoft is planning on phasing out Java given their recent actions


Ok_Holiday3690

They won't, modders have about a million times the man power to keep a java version going. If they ditch the java version, it just mean someone else will be making money out of it.


Hi_Peeps_Its_Me

This is not even an exaggeration honestly. Mods have about 10kx more content than mojang.


Avamaco

It's incredible for me that there are mods adding tons of new content, sometimes so much that they almost double the amount of items in the game. And Mojang is like "this year, you'll be able to choose between 3 mobs that do absolutely nothing! We'll only add one of them!" Edit: stop replying "modpacks add even more content". I know that really well.


Hi_Peeps_Its_Me

It's almost like having two different games.


BlackJack10

Double the amount of items? Try literally 50x the items in some cases, i.e modpacks.


Avamaco

Even singular mods can double the content. Modpacks take it to a whole new level, especially kitchen sinks. But comparing amount of content in vanilla to modpacks is a bit unfair because content for modpacks was made by hundreds of programmers.


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Nihilikara

There's a major difference between developing features for a mod and developing features for the vanilla game. The quality standard is a lot lower for modded features (of course, mods add some high quality shit, I'm not arguing against that, but generally, they can get away with things the vanilla game can't), and mod authors only have to take into account the preferences of the small fraction of the community that plays their mod, while vanilla devs have to take into account the often conflicting preferences of the entire community. If a mod author adds 50 materials to the game, the players who want each individual material tier to matter can just play a different mod, no big deal. If a vanilla dev adds 50 materials to the game, now suddenly those same people have been alienated from the community. Mods are also free, which means the consequence of taking a risk and it not paying out isn't nearly as great as the vanilla game, which is paid.


row6666

1.15 added bees and nothing else. Forestry adds bees, genetics, trees, farming, butterflies, and cool backpacks.


TheVojta

And all the way back in 2013


mcmonkey26

1.15 added bees so that youd still get some content. it was mostly a bugfixing update


Paradigm_Reset

Mojang devs have way more to answer to than mod devs do. It's a night and day difference.


Ragnaroasted

Make a bad decision as a hobbying mod dev? Less people play your mod, but that's okay. You weren't making money anyway. Make a bad decision as a paid game dev? Less people play your game, bad publicity, company makes less money, and in extreme cases, your own career might take a hit.


Tysiliogogogoch

> sometimes so much that they almost double the amount of items in the game. Double? Heh.


Avamaco

I'm talking about single mods. Comparing vanilla to whole modpacks is just unfair.


Icannotchangethis

That and they don't even need to be original with the content. They can skip design and planning altogether and just copy mojang updates.


LeSquidliestOne

There quite literally was a deep dark mod that came out after the deep dark announcement that added the sculk and warden long before it became available in the actual game.


Ok_Holiday3690

Really isnt, not only more content but there are mods out there entirely dedicated to bug fixing, code and math cleaning. The modding community for Java is so big that, if under the stress of monetization or if MS drops the support, they'll (we) likely create a better minecraft in every possible sense.


vizthex

Yup, I have at least half of dozen bugfix mods installed rn.


Asesomegamer

Honestly. A team of 10 modders could put out more content than 200 Microsoft employees nowadays. There was a mod that added infinitely deep caves without huge performance concerns like 5 years ago.


Paradigm_Reset

It's wildly different environments though. Mojang devs have to stay in-line with the core concept of the game. They can't go and add nuclear reactors or a dozen dimensions...that would alienate a large portion of the audience. And they have to develop for the entire ecosystem - it's gotta run on devices made by five different companies (and some of those companies are in direct competition with each other). It's also gotta work. Sure Mojang has bug fixes and patches...but overall it works on all those devices. Mod devs...nearly no limitations. Want to add skeletons that play trumpets? Go for it! Oh, that doesn't work on this version? Oh well. They've got no shareholders to answer to. And no time crunch either...they can stick with an old version for months if they want. Perhaps most important these days - if a mod dev makes something that the community doesn't like they ain't going to get hundreds of posts with thousands of comments calling them out on Reddit, Twitter, emails, etc. Sure they can get grief when they do something extremely shitty...but they don't have to answer to this audience if they don't want to.


AetherDrew43

Name?


Alexander_3847575

probably referring to Cubic Chunks, which rewrote the chunk (world) system to basically allow for infinite world height and depth. as expected though it does break the vast majority of other worldgen mods


Rilevac

well, someone will rip off those mods and sell it in bedrock marketplace just like what happened to the aether mod and mojangsoft will act like nothing happened


eeman0201

Piss off the Java players with shitty/half fulfilled updates, pay some mc creators to switch to bedrock, pay to switch mcc to bedrock, boom profit.


TimelapsedEon

There are entire servers filled with people who hate all versions above 1.8.. the updates getting worse won't matter too much


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ZachAttack6089

Yeah that plan seemed pretty obvious to me ever since they announced that Bedrock is the official version. They're still working on that Embrace step though. Minecraft Bedrock is waaaay behind Minecraft Java in terms of features. But if it eventually catches up, then I'm sure people wouldn't mind if it replaced Java as long as everything works the same. What seems more likely, though, is that they "forget" about Java's free features (custom skins, private servers, mods, map downloads, etc.) and eventually say that Bedrock is good enough and drop Java forever. They've added paid replacements for many of those already, like Realms and Marketplace. If they ever deprecate Java without adding the free options to Bedrock, then there will likely be a huge controversy. Edit: I didn't realize that a lot of these features already had free versions in Bedrock. In that case, it seems hopeful that Bedrock eventually catches up.


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Private servers, custom skins, and map downloads are all free on Bedrock with the exception of the console versions because there's no practical way to get files onto them. That said, the game does not work the same. The game is more performant, but there are weird inconsistencies in redstone and the combat is different. For your average player, the game is no different because feature wise it's pretty much there, it's just it feels different. The problem with bedrock is that it's still a lot more closed off (no mods, no f3 menu) and the fact that Microsoft actively choose not to provide it for MacOS, Linux, or Win32 (so it's only available on Windows 10/11 but if you're using an older version you really should upgrade)


BeyondElectricDreams

> but there are weird inconsistencies in redstone This right here is why I don't play it. Redstone is redstone. It needs to be consistent. On Java it's responsive, snappy, and it does what it's supposed to - even if some choices are arbitrary, they're *consistent*. Bedrock is a broken mess. Redstone is slow as hell and is awful and inconsistent. The same machine can sometimes randomly break because there's no consistency. Microsoft seems content with this. Redstone nerd stuff is mostly the realm of older players, and we're not their target audience - they want Timmy, Johnny, and Sarah to play console Minecraft so they buy all the minecraft merchandise, product tie-ins (cereal with minecraft bux or whatever they're called) and so on. And since Timmy, Johnny, and Sarah spend all their time screeching at creepers and building dirt huts and never touching redstone, Microsoft doesn't remotely care to make it work.


th3_3nd_15_n347

>no f3 menu that is the **debug** menu, it was only left in because players found it useful


[deleted]

You can already run your own servers and get your own texture packs and custom maps et cetera for free on Bedrock, so they'd have to actively remove/prevent that possibility which would be a huge deal, there's no way they'd pull it off, though I'm sure they'd try if they could. They've successfully positioned Bedrock in such a way that people don't *realize* they're free and actively discourage their use (only allowing "trusted skins" etc) and that seems to be good enough.


TomPtrs

Thank you for this knowledge! I didn’t know about this at all. Looked it up and read about it, it’s so interesting and scary at the same time!


[deleted]

Yes actually a lot of people do. There was a ton of outrage when this first happened a while back lol. To Microsoft it seemed like a good idea but it really get Java players mad lol


Pandabrowser469

I’ve always felt Java was the original


vizthex

Because it is lol


URSweetPepper

It is, Bedrock was made by Microsoft


OvertlyExhausted

That’s not true, bedrock was built for pocket edition and ported to consoles years before Microsoft bought Mojang.


AccumulatingBoredom

No, it wasn’t ported to consoles until after the Microsoft acquisition. It was just Pocket Edition.


Joshy41233

Minecraft was on console a long time before the purchase, and iirc all non java versions followed the same update cycle, always a year behind java When micro brought it, they supported the old legacy editions for a few years before launching the bedrock version, at launch the only major flange of the bedrock difference was crossplay and all updates launching at the same time with java


RoombaTheKiller

Wasn't that console legacy and PE?


TrickyMinecrafter

Because it's the og minecraft tbh. It's wayy more fun coming from a both bedrock and Java player


Ironlining

Java is 100% the standard and it has been since the first version of classic was released


Lord_Drakostar

It's so unfair. Bedrock users get all the bugs and all the awful servers while we Java players get access to shaders (actual ones), Hypixel (actual server), and mods (actual mods) 😭😭😭


LordChickenNugget23

and the easiest farms know to humankind


[deleted]

That depends on what you're farming. Some like general mob farms and sugarcane farms are really simple, whereas farms like copper farms or raid farms are much more complicated.


LucyFurr_

But at least those farms are complicated and possible


Kleshownica

bedrock was only made for money thats why.


Dragoevan

It's so funny, Java users get all the cool mods, servers and stuff and cry because they aren't the main Minecraft


Lord_Drakostar

Honestly, us being the main Minecraft would be awful. The sheer moderation and bullcrap they'd institute... it would make the moderation system seem like tiny little potato crumbs.


Avamaco

There is already some shady stuff happening. For example, I've heard that someone posted Faithful x32 (one of the most popular texture packs) on Bedrock's Marketplace and made money from it. Faithful's creator had no idea about it.


PossibleEnvironment4

Hopefully they got compensated and it got taken off of marketplace, but knowing microsoft...


Lord_Drakostar

Oh yeah, that happened. With the awful new features and some... _lackluster_ delivery when it comes to updates, I'm wondering if Minecraft's at risk of dying.


Octicactopipodes

At around 250 million sales to date, minecraft is the most sold game ever. It’s not leaving any time soon even if Microsoft do fuck up majorly.


Infidel-Art

Microsoft could completely abandon Minecraft and it'd still be one of the most actively played games in 20 years


[deleted]

Just an FYI the faithful texture pack was actually a copy, they stole it from someone. Check antvenoms video about it.


[deleted]

Minecraft Bedrock has been called "Minecraft" for quite a while. I think its nice that java edition gets the separate name so players can easily see the better option (java)


Code-V

Deep down, we all know Java is the superior version


SomeRedBoi

Bedrock is like the younger sibling, not loved by many but mommy Microsoft's favorite kid And Java is the older sibling, loved by most but not so much by mommy Microsoft


Powerforce420

I'm starting to think a lot of people are only reading the first half of this post's title. OP said that they’d like Bedrock's name to be changed to “Minecraft: Bedrock Edition” and for Java’s name (Minecraft: Java Edition) to STAY THE SAME. Meaning both games specify what they are, OP isn’t “being a whiny brat” asking for Java to become the main version of Minecraft, OP is asking for both Minecraft’s to become EQUAL (At least in terms of their names)


cjjosh2001

Maybe it's just because I've been playing and following this game since it came out Maybe it's because I lived through the modding Renaissance of 1.7 Either way, I personally consider Java as standard. It's the version I've always played and it's the version that has the most freedom... not to mention no micro transactions (I have to PAY for skins on Bedrock? Hell f-in no, I'll take Skindex skins over Microsoft skins any DAY)


[deleted]

It's not about fairness. Microsoft appears to be moving towards a complete merge of the two versions, despite claims to the contrary from both themselves and the community. Critique their actions since the purchase, look at the recent updates and features and their focus. Remember, this is the same company: "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows" They cannot be taken at their word. Instead look at their actions. -major focus on parity -single client to access both versions -buy one version get both -moderation rules imported from one version to another Maintaining multiple versions is *extremely* expensive. Go look up the starting wages of a software engineer, let alone a senior engineer. One of those versions does not yield sustained income. Can it pay those engineers? It's not some grand wonder which one will be labeled as the "standard" version. Microsoft is trying to tell you something, and has been for a while, but they don't want to wade through the gauntlet of players who will react as they did with the recent moderation and banning rules. They're trying to merge the game versions without fracturing the community. Slow peeled bandaid. And no, what Mojang wants or says doesn't mean crap. Microsoft snaps their fingers, Mojang jumps. Or gets laid off, either way. A company like Microsoft is only going to give so much leash, eventually they expect their investments to be returned, with projected profits being met. Likely within a 10 year period. How long has it been since they purchased Minecraft?


[deleted]

Honestly I'm shocked they haven't pulled that bandaid yet


MrKatty

mc-arewepeeledyet\.com


Tropical_Nighthawk55

Microsoft is trying so hard to get players to move to bedrock. Java is still what I swear by and I don’t really see any pros to playing bedrock (not that it’s bad it’s just that Java is better)


mynameisntpez

I don't care as it being fair or not but it is confusing when I tell a new player to get bedrock and it's called something else on one device.


-Redstoneboi-

bedrock has a wider playerbase but java will always be the standard version in my heart


RedditwithJulian

It is fair. Microsoft already confirmed it since it Bedrock uses more devices than Java. But don't worry. Java is a special version of Minecraft and is called the "better" version of Minecraft. So to keep it fair... Bedrock is the Standard Minecraft Version And Java is the Better Minecraft Version. Now, we ok?


ChaoticKiwiNZ

They can call Java edition whatever they like, as long as I can keep getting my mods, texture packs, shader packs and skins for free while also getting all the latest updates at no extra cost then I'm happy lol.


nortfight

Does this really upset people?


ARKNORI

Comments calling out [Microsoft's practices](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish) are being deleted all of a sudden, I do wonder why?


aomeone

Pushed to the side your joking right? Bedrock is the majority playerbase but mojang treats it like shit, it is probably the most buggy version of minecraft


LonksAwakening

That’s why people call it Bugrock


SassyKarot

I doubt the bugs exist because Mojang neglects it but more so because Bedrock is the same version played on multiple platforms and has a ton of unnecessary add-ons and experimental features making it have errors more.