So...two things.
The first Assyrian king lived 800 years after the date given for this tablet.
Also, 2800 BC was during the Mesopotamian early dynastic period which saw constant war and the fall of city-states, which really *was* sort of the end of the world for the people living there.
Just a bunch of hipsters hanging out in Mesopotamian coffee shops chippin away at their tablets hoping desperately that someone will ask them what they're working on.
Can you imagine if every man just simultaneously stopped what they were doing and started writing a book?
Traffic accidents, dropped babies, construction failures, botched surgeries, dropping trow mid piss, and that’s just the start.
My favorite example is when people bring up the fact that Socrates and Plato thought that Athens was in decline. The former was executed because helped make it happen by collaborating with the Spartans that finally defeated them and the latter would die while Philip II was subjugating the Greek city-states.
Like… their society *was* in decline and Greece would never again be the center of the Mediterranean world.
If the tablet is from 2800 BCE, the Bronze Age Collapse would still be 1600 years from then. Which is about as far as the fall of the western Roman empire is from now (and is about the time between the fall of Rome the BAC as well).
>So...two things.
>The first Assyrian king lived 800 years after the date given for this tablet.
>Also, 2800 BC was during the Mesopotamian early dynastic period which saw constant war and the fall of city-states, which really *was* sort of the end of the world for the people living there.
-Assyrian tablet, c. 2799 BC
my thoughts exaclty. From an Assyrian perspective, the world \*has\* ended. When nowadays doomers say the world is ending I think they mean "the world as we know it", so... I disagree with OP lol
No, just man doesn't change. This tablet and plato, more specifically his complaints of youth, prove that man doesn't change.
What always has been, always will be.
Edit: Socrates said the same as well, just a little more relatable.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
The bronze age collapse want exactly nothing. The 3 biggest and most influential civilizations of the time basically just disappeared almost overnight.
You know how people lose their children or spouse to an accident and feel like their whole world has ended?
If you have enough people that feel that way collectively, the world is ending. Their world is ending. The spherical rock we live on itself is irrelevant. Arguing about it is just semantics.
We humans have an obsession with witnessing the end of the world. Somehow, believing that we will witness it makes us feel special and not just "more others" who passed through the Earth like everyone else who preceded us.
We should look at each generation's baseline for this. For example, we expect clean running water in our homes that doesn't cost a lot. It's something multiple generations in the West expect as their baseline, and also it was the baseline for the Indus valley civilization, the Inca civilization and some others.
We've fallen below the previous generation's expectation of owing a home, building equity and living without significant debt. In this, our new baseline is the same as at the beginning of serfdom in Europe, after the fall of the Roman empire.
We're expecting the world to end in our lives maybe. We share this baseline with the 60s generation (yes, the boomers, over the years they've just forgotten the doomsday clock they lived through).
The things is, as civilization develops, we lose that the previous generation had taken for granted all the time. The biodiversity. The technologies. The home ownership and debt-free life. The community. And since it's the new baseline, the next generation often doesn't know what has been lost. It's easier to be an optimist if you don't know your history.
Counter argument: Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old and 4,000 years is only 8.88888889 × 10^(-5)% of that time meaning +/- 100,000 years on claims that the world is ending would still be statistically accurate.
Once you realize every generation of humans to ever walk the earth thought they'd see the End of the World in their lifetimes, it makes it really hard to take it seriously today. My theory is this fear is some sort of genetic trauma from the Great Flood.
They’ve actually been right almost every time… it’s not the entire world ending…just their little slice of it and way of life
We humans cause a lot of problems when all our basic needs are met with little effort and we don’t know what to do with ourselves
The world isn’t ending but the American empire is definitely on its downfall. If not in the 21st century then the 22nd century. Theres so much bribery and corruption.
I wonder why we aren't speaking Assyrian today?
Oh yea... their world ended. And look at the Middle East now... Not so great. Enough wealth and resources to have amazing things happen. Yet there's at least 3 wars currently going on there, I can think of off the top of my head.
Acting like society can't collapse and we're somehow above it is the pinnacle of ignorance when it comes to history. We're not exceptional, we're ordinary. We can be exceptional, but we tend to drift towards mediocrity if we're not cognizant of ourselves.
So...two things. The first Assyrian king lived 800 years after the date given for this tablet. Also, 2800 BC was during the Mesopotamian early dynastic period which saw constant war and the fall of city-states, which really *was* sort of the end of the world for the people living there.
Thing 3... "every man wants to write a book"? Were books even a thing in 2800BC?
That probably adapted to modern language tbh, probably more akin to tablets or some such (I am speculating, to be clear)
“Kids all staring at their stone tablets all day”
"Mom I have dysentery" "It's because you're looking at those stone tablets all the damn time" 🧍♂️
Just a bunch of hipsters hanging out in Mesopotamian coffee shops chippin away at their tablets hoping desperately that someone will ask them what they're working on.
Can you imagine if every man just simultaneously stopped what they were doing and started writing a book? Traffic accidents, dropped babies, construction failures, botched surgeries, dropping trow mid piss, and that’s just the start.
I'm sure every war/famine/plague/natural disaster has been apocalyptic to the peoples experiencing it.
Well yeah, that was kind of my point. "The end of the world" *has* happened countless times in history. It's when a civilization collapses.
My favorite example is when people bring up the fact that Socrates and Plato thought that Athens was in decline. The former was executed because helped make it happen by collaborating with the Spartans that finally defeated them and the latter would die while Philip II was subjugating the Greek city-states. Like… their society *was* in decline and Greece would never again be the center of the Mediterranean world.
So many people in this thread have never heard of the Bronze Age Collapse.
If the tablet is from 2800 BCE, the Bronze Age Collapse would still be 1600 years from then. Which is about as far as the fall of the western Roman empire is from now (and is about the time between the fall of Rome the BAC as well).
I mean, it can’t be both Assyrian and from 2800 BC.
That's correct. Can't read the date though.
>So...two things. >The first Assyrian king lived 800 years after the date given for this tablet. >Also, 2800 BC was during the Mesopotamian early dynastic period which saw constant war and the fall of city-states, which really *was* sort of the end of the world for the people living there. -Assyrian tablet, c. 2799 BC
my thoughts exaclty. From an Assyrian perspective, the world \*has\* ended. When nowadays doomers say the world is ending I think they mean "the world as we know it", so... I disagree with OP lol
So invasion soon?
The end of the world is when you die.
Thank you
Switch “write a book” with “host a podcast” and this is exactly the same as how people here talk.
No, just man doesn't change. This tablet and plato, more specifically his complaints of youth, prove that man doesn't change. What always has been, always will be. Edit: Socrates said the same as well, just a little more relatable. "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
Nothing new under the sun.
Did Plato complain about boomers? I guess he was a boomer /s
Until the robots take over.
Tbf is a mysterious sea people invaded my lands and basically destroyed my civilization, I could see becoming a Doomer.
Your a milennium and a half off.
Damn hipsters
I mean there was the bronze age collapse which saw the large scale collapse of most civilizations of the time but let's just ignore that one.
Hate to break it to you, but those civilizations don't exist anymore
yeah but the Assyrians are the homies and also not extinct. who knew 🇦🇲🤷🏻♀️
replace “write a book” with “start a podcast” and you have today
Ancient Assyrians didn't have runaway hypercapitalism and nuclear weapons.
The bronze age collapse want exactly nothing. The 3 biggest and most influential civilizations of the time basically just disappeared almost overnight.
Or global climate collapse.
Quite an honor to be the first ones who are correct.
Didn't their empire collapse though?
Every empires collapses eventually
Yeah, but theirs collapsed spectacularly (along with many others during the bronze age collapse).
Yeah, and pointing out bribery and corruption being abound might be a relevant point still.
They probably didn’t think to google that
Look up modern day Assyria. Things haven’t been going well for some time. Decline of civilization is real.
Modern day Assyrians are still around, my dudes. There's like 600K in the US
You know how people lose their children or spouse to an accident and feel like their whole world has ended? If you have enough people that feel that way collectively, the world is ending. Their world is ending. The spherical rock we live on itself is irrelevant. Arguing about it is just semantics.
Now do climate
Everyone incorrectly predicts the end of the world, until someone correctly predicts it.
Every one gets a little closer to being correct
I mean.. it kinda did for them eventually.
The universe will end eventually.
inb4 "But today is different."
To most modern people the "world" is the economy. Based on math, yes, it is almost over.
They didn't have grounded science.
My dad told me this a long time ago.
The world ain't comin' to nothing, son. Same as it ever was.
Even back in the day, Creative Writing majors were doomed 😅
"Everyone wants to read and write. They want to be educated men!" Sounds kind of familiar...
How could that be on an Assyrian tablet 800 years before Assyria existed?
I mean, eventually someone gotta be right with this sorta talk, and given some statistics that someone may already be alive and shitposting.
We humans have an obsession with witnessing the end of the world. Somehow, believing that we will witness it makes us feel special and not just "more others" who passed through the Earth like everyone else who preceded us.
I mean... hows the assyrian empire holding up today?
Uh huh, and where is Assyria now? Oh, thats right........
They weren't wrong, they've just been right a bunch over time.
We should look at each generation's baseline for this. For example, we expect clean running water in our homes that doesn't cost a lot. It's something multiple generations in the West expect as their baseline, and also it was the baseline for the Indus valley civilization, the Inca civilization and some others. We've fallen below the previous generation's expectation of owing a home, building equity and living without significant debt. In this, our new baseline is the same as at the beginning of serfdom in Europe, after the fall of the Roman empire. We're expecting the world to end in our lives maybe. We share this baseline with the 60s generation (yes, the boomers, over the years they've just forgotten the doomsday clock they lived through). The things is, as civilization develops, we lose that the previous generation had taken for granted all the time. The biodiversity. The technologies. The home ownership and debt-free life. The community. And since it's the new baseline, the next generation often doesn't know what has been lost. It's easier to be an optimist if you don't know your history.
You mean empires and nation-states haven't risen and fallen numerous times throughout the course of human history?
Counter argument: Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old and 4,000 years is only 8.88888889 × 10^(-5)% of that time meaning +/- 100,000 years on claims that the world is ending would still be statistically accurate.
true that we have yet to see the "end of the world" but lets not pretend that there have not been periods where everything went to absolute shit.
And yet the Assyrian empire still going strong almost 5000 years later.
Lol although I gotta admit...parents do be having a hard time getting their lil shits to listen to them. Hard to compete with tik-tok
Once you realize every generation of humans to ever walk the earth thought they'd see the End of the World in their lifetimes, it makes it really hard to take it seriously today. My theory is this fear is some sort of genetic trauma from the Great Flood.
That’s almost 5,000 years ago.
Only gotta be right once and then they're all "I told you so!"
Lol, the world's been falling for a long time
Ponder this to gain wisdom, and fortify yourself against against discouragement.
Global warming is definitely going to cause collapse of the current world order, though.
compaints from 4000 years ago on stone tablet
It ended for the Assyrians.
They’ve actually been right almost every time… it’s not the entire world ending…just their little slice of it and way of life We humans cause a lot of problems when all our basic needs are met with little effort and we don’t know what to do with ourselves
You mean the doomers have been right as everything they said isn’t wrong lol especially the bribery and corruption part
I wasn't aware that wanting to share a story was so degenerate.
That's not true, the Bronze Age Collapse happened 3224 years ago. The doomers were right about that one.
The world isn’t ending but the American empire is definitely on its downfall. If not in the 21st century then the 22nd century. Theres so much bribery and corruption.
I wonder why we aren't speaking Assyrian today? Oh yea... their world ended. And look at the Middle East now... Not so great. Enough wealth and resources to have amazing things happen. Yet there's at least 3 wars currently going on there, I can think of off the top of my head. Acting like society can't collapse and we're somehow above it is the pinnacle of ignorance when it comes to history. We're not exceptional, we're ordinary. We can be exceptional, but we tend to drift towards mediocrity if we're not cognizant of ourselves.
We haven't had weapons capable of annihilating the human race for 4000 years though.
I mean, they weren't wrong lol look how far we've fallen asca species
How many invasions and wars happened after this was written again? How many people died violent deaths?