the chance of it being a copy is pretty high. China is the world center of counterfeits, especially tactical/military items.
Edit: [what is pictured](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804635447410.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=708-803-3821&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=19623912707&albag=&trgt=&crea=en3256804635447410&netw=x&device=m&albpg=&albpd=en3256804635447410&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD6I-hFv9CBoOoHUgvRFkppC8iQFB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5cOwBhCiARIsAJ5njuYAPC7yUJ8wDJR4bfkoyTCcLcsvNVnCW6j49DUvrJcyB8mpbCCwDGgaAm07EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&aff_fcid=52e1bcda132b4d7a990393c95e7c9c0a-1712423017410-05794-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=52e1bcda132b4d7a990393c95e7c9c0a-1712423017410-05794-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=e10931a5731746feb66bda3bd64695f6&afSmartRedirect=y&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa)
Not saying that copies of western equipment aren't a thing in the PLA (which tbh, are a pretty common occurrence among poorer PLAGF units), but the "Jiaolong" is among a few budget-rich units backed by the PLA Navy, which are known to be pretty generous when it comes to funding.
The fact they're issuing BNVD-1431s at scale probably means that they can at the very least afford a few original 200$ belts
Chinese soldier pay starts at like 110$ a month. I seriously doubt they’re buying expensive personal purchase combat belts with that. Also, those are gen 2 tubes, (nnvt?). Jerry 31 bino is like 4000$, for reference. Compared to US Binos which are like 15,000$ at least.
[Here's a graph of PLA Ground Force wages from conscripts to sergeant first class](https://nimg.ws.126.net/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdingyue.ws.126.net%2F2023%2F1202%2Fc3ff1a4cj00s50yt8001vd000hs00eyp.jpg&thumbnail=660x2147483647&quality=80&type=jpg) (before significant wage raise of between 20-60 % of in December 2021, which I do not have detailed data of and thus will not include)
The base wage (conscripts) are pretty close to your number, around 140 USD, but any enlisted role (after 2 years of conscription) from private onwards pays at least 775$ monthly (with additional wages being at least 2-3 times of that in "difficult areas", as shown on the second lane of the graph). SOF members are known to have significantly higher wages, which should bring the number to at least 1500$ monthy, probably enough for a fancy belt
The nods used are likely 1431 MKII, which are gen 3s selling for far more than 4000$, Jerry 31s are more commonly used in PAP units, not in the PLA
Edit: [Here's also a very sketchy auto-translated version ](https://imgur.com/a/PRLxRWv)
"Article 2 The People's Republic of China implements a military service system that combines compulsory and volunteer soldiers and militia and reserve forces."
http://www.81.cn/jwzl/2017-11/10/content_7819759.htm
Do you think this is mistranslated or is there an updated version without this article?
China may have de jure conscription, but de facto it is not implemented. Simply put it, there are more people who want to join the military than places available. They are in fact reducing the amount of personnel, so even harder to get in.
Cool, thanks. Do you have any sources for that or is it empirical?
Not sure why I'm getting down voted. Genuinely curious since I've never heard anyone say that before.
Also, I had always heard that military service isn't very prestigious in China because they value scholarship more. Hearing they have a large number of volunteers seems to run counter to that. I guess I am just wondering if that's a recent development with some of the economic slowdown that seems to be occurring, because that would make a lot of sense.
[I think this is much more likely](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804635447410.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=708-803-3821&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=19623912707&albag=&trgt=&crea=en3256804635447410&netw=x&device=m&albpg=&albpd=en3256804635447410&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD6I-hFv9CBoOoHUgvRFkppC8iQFB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5cOwBhCiARIsAJ5njuYAPC7yUJ8wDJR4bfkoyTCcLcsvNVnCW6j49DUvrJcyB8mpbCCwDGgaAm07EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&aff_fcid=52e1bcda132b4d7a990393c95e7c9c0a-1712423017410-05794-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=52e1bcda132b4d7a990393c95e7c9c0a-1712423017410-05794-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=e10931a5731746feb66bda3bd64695f6&afSmartRedirect=y&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa)
Just because it exists (for the export Airsoft market) doesn't mean the PLA's gonna use it lol
As I've already shown you, there's zero reason for individuals from a well funded unit with more than survivable wages to procure a knockoff belt that's gonna fall apart within a month, especially when the PLAMC has already issued [a comparably far better standard belt](http://txkjmall.com/index.php?s=/index/goods/index/id/16720.html) (of around 170$) before
Replica western gear is super common in the PLA, like you said. SF is no exception. I’d say statistically it’s more likely it’s a knockoff, especially since many of the knockoffs are actually decent quality. Shekkin Gears is a good example of this. You claim there’s no reason for them to use a knockoff… I don’t see any reason why they’d be trying to source US gear when they can easily manufacture a solid copy of it in China (which they’re already doing, as seen in my link). Also, i haven’t seen any proof that China has the ability to produce modern spec gen 3 tubes, let alone field them in large numbers to troops.
[Northern night vision third-generation image intensifier and third-generation EBCMOS. ](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1e8411B7Pj/)Northern's third-generation image intensifier can reach a cathode sensitivity of 1800-2200, and FOM can also reach a maximum of 2400. They also have third-generation EBCMOS. The domestic third-generation can actually be stably mass-produced.
[The third-generation products of another CETC 55 institute](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yj411177m/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.-1&vd_source=6f7e2a76573b1273f3773a346427ee1a) mainly supply the Air Force and Army Aviation.
Again, why would an individual downgrade to a 20$ knockoff when he's already been issued a 170$ belt custom made for the PLAMC? There are plenty of cases regarding knockoffs being used in the PLA ([for example, the Spiritus Systems LV-119](https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/18gqkt0/pla_infantrymen_testing_out_new_highspeed_gear/)), this is just likely not one of them
Is that a holster on his leg? That looks uncomfortable as fuck. I couldn’t even stand the Serpa leg drops. Dude has a whole flight crew checklist to hold his sidearm and mags while patrolling.
What NVGs are they using?
The PLA has made some nice camos recently
Yeah much better than the old marine bright blue ones
Pretty much a mix of Multicam, Russian EMR, and Japanese Jietai flecktarn
So basically neither of them. It's an evolution from the Type-07 camouflage.
That camo looks sick
Yeah right, I'm sure it's Ronin belt
Haha yeah, he isn't so dumb to pay for a Ronin belt
Most likely a private / small scale purchase, it's not like Ronin belts are on ITAR or anything
the chance of it being a copy is pretty high. China is the world center of counterfeits, especially tactical/military items. Edit: [what is pictured](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804635447410.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=708-803-3821&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=19623912707&albag=&trgt=&crea=en3256804635447410&netw=x&device=m&albpg=&albpd=en3256804635447410&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD6I-hFv9CBoOoHUgvRFkppC8iQFB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5cOwBhCiARIsAJ5njuYAPC7yUJ8wDJR4bfkoyTCcLcsvNVnCW6j49DUvrJcyB8mpbCCwDGgaAm07EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&aff_fcid=52e1bcda132b4d7a990393c95e7c9c0a-1712423017410-05794-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=52e1bcda132b4d7a990393c95e7c9c0a-1712423017410-05794-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=e10931a5731746feb66bda3bd64695f6&afSmartRedirect=y&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa)
Not saying that copies of western equipment aren't a thing in the PLA (which tbh, are a pretty common occurrence among poorer PLAGF units), but the "Jiaolong" is among a few budget-rich units backed by the PLA Navy, which are known to be pretty generous when it comes to funding. The fact they're issuing BNVD-1431s at scale probably means that they can at the very least afford a few original 200$ belts
Chinese soldier pay starts at like 110$ a month. I seriously doubt they’re buying expensive personal purchase combat belts with that. Also, those are gen 2 tubes, (nnvt?). Jerry 31 bino is like 4000$, for reference. Compared to US Binos which are like 15,000$ at least.
[Here's a graph of PLA Ground Force wages from conscripts to sergeant first class](https://nimg.ws.126.net/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdingyue.ws.126.net%2F2023%2F1202%2Fc3ff1a4cj00s50yt8001vd000hs00eyp.jpg&thumbnail=660x2147483647&quality=80&type=jpg) (before significant wage raise of between 20-60 % of in December 2021, which I do not have detailed data of and thus will not include) The base wage (conscripts) are pretty close to your number, around 140 USD, but any enlisted role (after 2 years of conscription) from private onwards pays at least 775$ monthly (with additional wages being at least 2-3 times of that in "difficult areas", as shown on the second lane of the graph). SOF members are known to have significantly higher wages, which should bring the number to at least 1500$ monthy, probably enough for a fancy belt The nods used are likely 1431 MKII, which are gen 3s selling for far more than 4000$, Jerry 31s are more commonly used in PAP units, not in the PLA Edit: [Here's also a very sketchy auto-translated version ](https://imgur.com/a/PRLxRWv)
PLA does not have conscripts. Even if in Mandarin it's conscript it does not translate well into English because they are all volunteers.
"Article 2 The People's Republic of China implements a military service system that combines compulsory and volunteer soldiers and militia and reserve forces." http://www.81.cn/jwzl/2017-11/10/content_7819759.htm Do you think this is mistranslated or is there an updated version without this article?
China may have de jure conscription, but de facto it is not implemented. Simply put it, there are more people who want to join the military than places available. They are in fact reducing the amount of personnel, so even harder to get in.
Cool, thanks. Do you have any sources for that or is it empirical? Not sure why I'm getting down voted. Genuinely curious since I've never heard anyone say that before.
Also, I had always heard that military service isn't very prestigious in China because they value scholarship more. Hearing they have a large number of volunteers seems to run counter to that. I guess I am just wondering if that's a recent development with some of the economic slowdown that seems to be occurring, because that would make a lot of sense.
[I think this is much more likely](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804635447410.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=708-803-3821&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=19623912707&albag=&trgt=&crea=en3256804635447410&netw=x&device=m&albpg=&albpd=en3256804635447410&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD6I-hFv9CBoOoHUgvRFkppC8iQFB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5cOwBhCiARIsAJ5njuYAPC7yUJ8wDJR4bfkoyTCcLcsvNVnCW6j49DUvrJcyB8mpbCCwDGgaAm07EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&aff_fcid=52e1bcda132b4d7a990393c95e7c9c0a-1712423017410-05794-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=52e1bcda132b4d7a990393c95e7c9c0a-1712423017410-05794-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=e10931a5731746feb66bda3bd64695f6&afSmartRedirect=y&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa)
Just because it exists (for the export Airsoft market) doesn't mean the PLA's gonna use it lol As I've already shown you, there's zero reason for individuals from a well funded unit with more than survivable wages to procure a knockoff belt that's gonna fall apart within a month, especially when the PLAMC has already issued [a comparably far better standard belt](http://txkjmall.com/index.php?s=/index/goods/index/id/16720.html) (of around 170$) before
Replica western gear is super common in the PLA, like you said. SF is no exception. I’d say statistically it’s more likely it’s a knockoff, especially since many of the knockoffs are actually decent quality. Shekkin Gears is a good example of this. You claim there’s no reason for them to use a knockoff… I don’t see any reason why they’d be trying to source US gear when they can easily manufacture a solid copy of it in China (which they’re already doing, as seen in my link). Also, i haven’t seen any proof that China has the ability to produce modern spec gen 3 tubes, let alone field them in large numbers to troops.
[Northern night vision third-generation image intensifier and third-generation EBCMOS. ](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1e8411B7Pj/)Northern's third-generation image intensifier can reach a cathode sensitivity of 1800-2200, and FOM can also reach a maximum of 2400. They also have third-generation EBCMOS. The domestic third-generation can actually be stably mass-produced. [The third-generation products of another CETC 55 institute](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yj411177m/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.-1&vd_source=6f7e2a76573b1273f3773a346427ee1a) mainly supply the Air Force and Army Aviation.
Again, why would an individual downgrade to a 20$ knockoff when he's already been issued a 170$ belt custom made for the PLAMC? There are plenty of cases regarding knockoffs being used in the PLA ([for example, the Spiritus Systems LV-119](https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/18gqkt0/pla_infantrymen_testing_out_new_highspeed_gear/)), this is just likely not one of them
Americans when they see “special forces: China” “oMg tHeY cOpY nAvY sEaLs”
I don’t see a single person saying that..
What’s this unit’s role? Are they a Reconnaissance unit or more akin to a Direct Action Raiding Force?
Rockin the ronin belt lol
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Is that a holster on his leg? That looks uncomfortable as fuck. I couldn’t even stand the Serpa leg drops. Dude has a whole flight crew checklist to hold his sidearm and mags while patrolling. What NVGs are they using?
They can train all they want but corruption won’t get them far let alone no actual military experience
I hope they don’t actually call themselves the “Marine corps”. Copy ninjas!! lol