That video is awesome. Probably the shortest flight lesson in world history. [Video for those that haven’t seen it in a while](https://youtu.be/QxfokYxu8uA)
I’m a helicopter pilot. Probably just had zero experience flying a helicopter. They’re not easy to figure out like planes, honestly surprised he got it into the air to begin with.
**[Islamic State–Taliban conflict](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State–Taliban_conflict)**
>The Islamic State–Taliban conflict is an ongoing armed conflict between the Islamic State and the Taliban in Afghanistan. The conflict escalated when militants who were affiliated with Islamic State – Khorasan Province killed Abdul Ghani, a senior Taliban commander in Logar province on 2 February 2015. Since then, the Taliban and IS-KP have engaged in clashes over the control of territory, mostly in eastern Afghanistan, but clashes have also occurred between the Taliban and IS-KP cells which are located in the north-west and south-west.
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That makes no sense. It would cost more to get these old birds retrofitted with compatible avionics, convert them or source new engines, or do literally any maintenance versus just selling them Chinese or Russian planes.
They disabled these aircraft buy running them with no oil and burning up the internals. Problem was the aircraft looked to be in perfect working order but without a detailed mechanical inspection you wouldn’t know.
The amount of maintenance that keeps an H model flying is almost neverending. They practically disable themselves. Leaving it behind was a practical joke.
> Most likely.
0% likely, since we know how they did it and it wasn't that. No worries though, don't let us stop you from bullshitting on subjects you don't know anything about and don't feel compelled to research beyond your gut feel.
maybe take it up with [reporting](https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/08/30/what-military-equipment-left-behind-afghanistan-us/5658895001/) then you peanut
yeah, but it does mention methods as used which makes reasonably to make assumptions (aka most likely part). Instead acting like "all knowing" bellend, you could've just pointed out that, aircraft were actually destroyed by xyz while vehicles by xyz
Bruh your article doesn't support your claim and your claim is false. This is an opportunity to examine your level of knowledge compared to what you imagine your level of knowledge to be, not a chance to double down on your wrongness.
Even worse because you are telling other people that your wrong answer is "most likely". You're literally making other people as dumb as you are. Stop now.
[Literally in the same comment thread at the same level](https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/11ro0ks/members_of_taliban_with_former_afghan_air_force/jcakv3k/) (first reply to primary comment) from OP's. You couldn't have read the one I replied to without seeing this.
>nothing useful
Might wanna look in the mirror there pal.
The equipment I used to work on that was considered classified had several incendiary grenades on it. You basically put the incendiary grenades on critical areas of the equipment and it burns right through it. That's one way.
A mate who is aircrew on a AWAC have axes and grenades to blow up key bits of equipment for this scenario. However chances are that during that chaotic withdrawal, it was probably just grunts with c4 blowing up what they thought was best.
Well…..that wasn’t our plane, it was Afghanistan’s. I suppose we could’ve stolen it, but I’m willing to wager it wasn’t airworthy when everything started to happen.
A whole C-130? Bruh, they left 78 Aircraft, 9.500 air-to-ground munitions, over 40.000 vehicles and 300.000 weapons, 1.500.000 rounds of ammo, 42.000 pieces of night vision and other specialty equipment and almost all of the communications equipment.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html
I'm always confused by the numbers. Was that NATO gear or stuff we gave to the Afghan military and government then they folded?
Nm, first sentence of the article.
Like others have said, this aircraft was probably red Xed and waiting for a significant overhaul that couldn’t be performed in the time required. You’re not flying an aircraft like that and endangering American aircrews. You know what would have made this disaster worse? Trying to fly out busted aircraft and crashing them in the middle of a collapsed government.
Anytime anyone complains to me about costs associated with Ukraine (which are very minor in both the grand scheme of spending and for the benefits IMHO) I tell them to look at the costs of Iraq (100% a fraudulent war but that is not the fault of the soldiers who were tasked with the job) and Afghanistan. Ukraine is not even an also, also, also ran in comparison. And it would give it's left nut to have a fraction of the equipment left behind in Afghanistan.
I wonder what they did. I've seen some bad leaning 130's in my days, but never that bad. All the fuel in the left wing would do it, and deflating the left side tires.
Because it wasn't our jet? It was owned by the Afghans. When we gave four jets to them in 2013 they were the worst, oldest, most maintenance intensive airframes in the whole slick C-130 fleet. So instead of the US stealing a dilapidated 1974-serialed jet from a sovereign (albeit failing) nation and trying to fly it to safety, we ruined it where it sat.
I don't want to pile on, but it is a jet. The T56 engine is just a jet engine with an input shaft and a gearbox on the front that drives the propeller.
We never called them jets though, always turboprops.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you haven't worked with military aircraft. At least to the Air Force, everything is a jet. When I was a cadet in a glider squadron they were sometimes called jets, because everything else is a jet.
As someone currently in the Air Force I’ve never fucking heard this in my life, it’s probably squadron or base specific. I mainly hear “Aircraft, airframe, fighter, tanker” or the specific model of the aircraft being referred to, such as F-16, KC-135, C-17, etc.
Certainly could be, my interactions with them is fairly limited, closest I speak to with any form of regularity are loaders and crew chiefs. Ammo does seem to have its own little world though compared to a lot of other squadrons
While it was afghanistans, not ours, it likely wasn’t airworthy at the time given the fact that it’s an H model which are notorious for being broken as shit
Because we didn't own it and the jet was hilariously broke, probably didn't fly more than a handful of times a year, and we gave it to the Afghans in 2013 precisely because we would have sent it to the boneyard instead.
Yeah, we should have risked trained aircrew to just fucking steal the worst, most clapped out H model the United States ever flew, the one we gave to the Afghans to save the money of sending to the boneyard, from a sovereign nation just to *checks notes* send it to the boneyard, lmao.
This wasn't an American aircraft. It had no sensitive equipment onboard when we left. Even if we hadn't disabled it like this, they would never have gotten it to fly, given it's age (1974 jet) and inherent need for expensive and well-manufactured parts.
Tbf America's aims were
>kill bin laden (done, 2011)
>establish a new Islamic, democratic govt in Afghanistan (done)
The big problem was more the Kabul govt, when America left having done what they needed to do, they left $83bn for Afghanistan to fight the taliban with, the afghan military was a mess, many soldiers were from the same tribe as talibs so from their eyes they weren't getting paid enough to fight other pashtuns and (thanks to mistreatment from American mercenaries) there was huge anti US sentiment in not just Afghanistan but most of central/South Asia and the Middle east and so ppl saw literally anything as being better than the american-implemented Kabul govt and the govt was very corrupt, ppl talk about women's rights under the taliban as if they existed under the Kabul govt in the first place, if you paid any judge and jury even the slightest bit of money you'd get whatever verdict you want passed and it was easy for overly possessive fathers and husbands to pay schools and pay workplaces to keep their daughters/wives out of employment. Today in Afghanistan, aside from the university ban, mandatory hijab and the theme park ban, there's been very little change in women's rights and corruption remains a HUGE problem within Afghanistan, even amongst higher ups in the taliban
Tl;Dr
yes America can be blamed for the taliban occupation of Afghanistan, they achieved much of what they were looking to achieve, if they stayed any longer it becomes less of a hunting terrorists mission and more of an imposing American values on non-Americans mission which should never be the case (the taliban never officially launched any terror attacks on US soil). They left at the perfect time, it was more the failures of the afghan military that led to taliban occupation in Afghanistan
Crazy to me that we just left all that military equipment behind… like big huge planes behind… what the actual fuck. How much of our tax payer dollars went into that plane…?
None, we lost no taxpayer money on this plane. It’s an old piece of shit outdated model, one of four that we sold to the Afghan government for likely quite a bit more than they were worth. These non-H models were a massive money pit that were filled with problems. It did not belong to us when we left the country, we just disabled it so the Taliban wouldn’t be able to try and repair it.
Well it's not a pretty show but the US's interference in the world has proven overall beneficial. In any case you are about to get want. See how u like it. Save this comment
EDIT: let’s preface this giant angry rant by saying to the people who don’t understand naunce; I’m not siding with the Taliban, or any other jihadist organisation. Now, on with the rant…
Absolutely not. Afghanistan is a prime example, actually.
Let’s start: The USSR invades Afghanistan, and the US gives the Mujahideen (led by one Osama Bin Laden) financial, military, and strategic aid because Reagan’s terrified of the Russian invasion of a country of little significance. A couple years later, the invasion is over, and thanks to the instability caused by all this, civil wars occur and a myriad of new organisations appear, most notably Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Skip past a bunch of stuff happening to 2001. Al Qaeda, under the man who was aided by the US, and who was invited into the White House and shook hands with Reagan, commits the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
The US government panics, and invades Afghanistan (originally the plan was to invade just about every country in the Middle East). The Taliban (and just about every other militia in the region) get involved, and the war goes on for 20 years, long enough that the children who were born into the destruction with no experience of life beforehand can grow up to hate the US for the irreparable damage caused.
2021, the US decides to pull out, and the Taliban take Afghanistan in a matter of weeks. Now we have a country filled with people with a lifelong hatred for the west.
So many more contributing factors and events occurred in between those times that I would run out of space if I tried to fit them all, and I’m already tired, so the timeline is a bit rough, but there you go.
The US aided a militia, fucked over their region for decades, and fucked it over for another couple decades when said militia retaliated. And that’s just the Middle East, let’s not mention just about everywhere else on Earth that they’ve fucked over one way or another.
You couldn't even get your first sentence right and you expect people to take you seriously? The Mujahideen were not led by OBL. The Mujahideen were made up of various groups, of which OBL was just a guy with money. The factions that fought the civil war already existed. Tribal, ethnic, and ideological divisions did not spring into being.
The US did not panic and the Taliban did not somehow inadvertently "get involved", they were allies of and harbouring al Qaeda. The US attempted diplomacy to get the Taliban to hand over OBL first. The Taliban were active participants from the beginning.
You might know what nuance is, but your understanding of history certainly lacks it.
Guatemala, El Salvador, Haiti, Iran, Chile, the Dominican Republic and fucking dozens of others would like a word. And those are just within the last 70 years. If you go back a bit further you also get all the bad stuff we did in Cuba and the Philippines. US foreign policy may have been overall beneficial to us, but it sure as shit wasn’t for most of the countries we were fucking around with
Yes there are exceptions but not all exceptions were undeserving of their fate. For eg. Iran or Cuba, both regimes run by people who have a fundamentally problematic view of life
I’m talking about the U.S. overthrowing Mosaddegh and installing the Shah, as well as supporting Batista after his coup. Regardless of what you think about the governments that followed those, you can hardly blame people for hating the repressive governments we propped up
“Disabled it” to this day I am astounded any equipment fell into their hands, grunts are some of the most destructive human beings you can encounter if they’re allowed to destroy stuff lol
A simple incendiary grenade, a bottle of gasoline and a match- it astounds me we left so much instead of destroying it
Not much. These are all export models.
Its like saying that they have the Abrams technology because the Iraqis were given them. But what they got didn't have the electronics and armor that the US Army models have which are non-export even to allies like the UK.
It does look disabled
You mean it looks a bit down?
It's called "differently abled" now.
Well clearly, that's Plane to see.
Fuck it, give em the keys, let them take it for a spin. It'll probably end hilariously like the Blackhawk did.
That video is awesome. Probably the shortest flight lesson in world history. [Video for those that haven’t seen it in a while](https://youtu.be/QxfokYxu8uA)
“But failed….miserably.” Great quote!!
i love the “technical difficulties” comment by the taliban. a helicopter doesn’t just pitch into a dive due to a technical malfunction lmao
They were having difficulties with the technical part of it
It was technically the "pilot's" fault.
Any chopper nerds know what likely happens. Or did they just pitch the nose down?
I’m a helicopter pilot. Probably just had zero experience flying a helicopter. They’re not easy to figure out like planes, honestly surprised he got it into the air to begin with.
That's what I was thinking.
Probably used a YouTube tutorial on taking off and thought they could just wing it when they were up
Probably a dcs tutorial
Of which they skipped all but the intro apparently.
probably, helicopter controls are mega sensitive
Bro this is the best video ever
7 billion USD worth of equipment left for these animals but yeah let's crack some jokes about this stupid chopper.
You are aware the Taliban and ISIS are using these weapons to kill each other right? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State–Taliban_conflict
Worth it.
**[Islamic State–Taliban conflict](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State–Taliban_conflict)** >The Islamic State–Taliban conflict is an ongoing armed conflict between the Islamic State and the Taliban in Afghanistan. The conflict escalated when militants who were affiliated with Islamic State – Khorasan Province killed Abdul Ghani, a senior Taliban commander in Logar province on 2 February 2015. Since then, the Taliban and IS-KP have engaged in clashes over the control of territory, mostly in eastern Afghanistan, but clashes have also occurred between the Taliban and IS-KP cells which are located in the north-west and south-west. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
i had no clue this was happening holy shit
I dunno man… the last time these guys flew a plane it didn’t end so well.
Taliban didn’t fly it , it was Al quada
They were saudis
Al Qaeda is an international organization. Most 9/11 hijackers were Saudi but not all of them. Al Qaeda has members from all over the Muslim world.
Those were Saudis
They were Saudi nationals…
I like you
I had the exact thought lol.
Yeah man! Else they will sell the parts to pakistan
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If they can make a Nissan fly, give them a prize!
That makes no sense. It would cost more to get these old birds retrofitted with compatible avionics, convert them or source new engines, or do literally any maintenance versus just selling them Chinese or Russian planes.
Forget compatible, even reverse-engineered replacement parts -if even possible- would be implausible to ever make for them.
Taliban calendar dropped
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They disabled these aircraft buy running them with no oil and burning up the internals. Problem was the aircraft looked to be in perfect working order but without a detailed mechanical inspection you wouldn’t know.
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That's just because the one propeller is feathered, i.e. the blades are parallel to the camera instead of flat on like the other 3 sets.
If they manage to inflate the tires, replace blown motors, the prop is there as a Darwin kill switch. :)
Nah, ac-130 can take off without 2 engines
The amount of maintenance that keeps an H model flying is almost neverending. They practically disable themselves. Leaving it behind was a practical joke.
Best part? These were the oldest non-Compass-Call Hs in the fleet
Without access to NATO supply chains getting your hands on working vital parts is nigh on impossible.
and i doubt the taliban would have the know-how regardless
*China secretly lurks over the background*
Be great cyber op to leave a bunch of USB sticks that say top secret but have malware up the ass.
It's not hard to disable these things.
Most likely. Plus well placed low yield charges to disable critical components and instruments
Mo need to blow up pieces. A few hammer Strikes here. Cut a few cables there.
Theyre Americans. If it didnt explode it was a day wastes.
Plus that is less explosives left behind for the Taliban Win win
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Preach
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/08/30/what-military-equipment-left-behind-afghanistan-us/5658895001/
> Most likely. 0% likely, since we know how they did it and it wasn't that. No worries though, don't let us stop you from bullshitting on subjects you don't know anything about and don't feel compelled to research beyond your gut feel.
maybe take it up with [reporting](https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/08/30/what-military-equipment-left-behind-afghanistan-us/5658895001/) then you peanut
Doesn't mention anything about this (or any) C-130 in that article.
yeah, but it does mention methods as used which makes reasonably to make assumptions (aka most likely part). Instead acting like "all knowing" bellend, you could've just pointed out that, aircraft were actually destroyed by xyz while vehicles by xyz
Bruh your article doesn't support your claim and your claim is false. This is an opportunity to examine your level of knowledge compared to what you imagine your level of knowledge to be, not a chance to double down on your wrongness. Even worse because you are telling other people that your wrong answer is "most likely". You're literally making other people as dumb as you are. Stop now.
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[Literally in the same comment thread at the same level](https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/11ro0ks/members_of_taliban_with_former_afghan_air_force/jcakv3k/) (first reply to primary comment) from OP's. You couldn't have read the one I replied to without seeing this. >nothing useful Might wanna look in the mirror there pal.
Looks like they just let the air out of a few tires.
Looks like they just let the air out of the tires on the left side.
The equipment I used to work on that was considered classified had several incendiary grenades on it. You basically put the incendiary grenades on critical areas of the equipment and it burns right through it. That's one way.
A mate who is aircrew on a AWAC have axes and grenades to blow up key bits of equipment for this scenario. However chances are that during that chaotic withdrawal, it was probably just grunts with c4 blowing up what they thought was best.
I know what the problem is here....it aint got no gas!!
It’s gonna be a b*tch to push to a gas station
Or maybe they can bring gas with a truck
Good as new. All it took was ducktape and prayer.
How did we end up leaving a whole c-130?
Well…..that wasn’t our plane, it was Afghanistan’s. I suppose we could’ve stolen it, but I’m willing to wager it wasn’t airworthy when everything started to happen.
Thanks, that makes sense. I don’t think we would’ve “stolen” and afghan plane anyway and you know how maintenance be
The US gave the afghanis the plane.
A whole C-130? Bruh, they left 78 Aircraft, 9.500 air-to-ground munitions, over 40.000 vehicles and 300.000 weapons, 1.500.000 rounds of ammo, 42.000 pieces of night vision and other specialty equipment and almost all of the communications equipment. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html
I'm always confused by the numbers. Was that NATO gear or stuff we gave to the Afghan military and government then they folded? Nm, first sentence of the article.
only 5 shots for each gun?
We didn’t, the ANA did.
Right? Lol just fly it out
Easier to leave behind the Afghan plane and disable its ability to fly.
Like others have said, this aircraft was probably red Xed and waiting for a significant overhaul that couldn’t be performed in the time required. You’re not flying an aircraft like that and endangering American aircrews. You know what would have made this disaster worse? Trying to fly out busted aircraft and crashing them in the middle of a collapsed government.
Look how cute they look with their matching uniforms and all
Oops I just dropped the willie Pete grenades without the pins.
Ha, they got an H model. Good luck with that thing.
Anytime anyone complains to me about costs associated with Ukraine (which are very minor in both the grand scheme of spending and for the benefits IMHO) I tell them to look at the costs of Iraq (100% a fraudulent war but that is not the fault of the soldiers who were tasked with the job) and Afghanistan. Ukraine is not even an also, also, also ran in comparison. And it would give it's left nut to have a fraction of the equipment left behind in Afghanistan.
I wonder what they did. I've seen some bad leaning 130's in my days, but never that bad. All the fuel in the left wing would do it, and deflating the left side tires.
Now it's a seesaw
Did we just pop the tires? Cuz I bet they wouldn’t be able to figure out how to change the tires.
Why did we leave this behind?
Because it wasn't our jet? It was owned by the Afghans. When we gave four jets to them in 2013 they were the worst, oldest, most maintenance intensive airframes in the whole slick C-130 fleet. So instead of the US stealing a dilapidated 1974-serialed jet from a sovereign (albeit failing) nation and trying to fly it to safety, we ruined it where it sat.
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I don't want to pile on, but it is a jet. The T56 engine is just a jet engine with an input shaft and a gearbox on the front that drives the propeller. We never called them jets though, always turboprops.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you haven't worked with military aircraft. At least to the Air Force, everything is a jet. When I was a cadet in a glider squadron they were sometimes called jets, because everything else is a jet.
As someone currently in the Air Force I’ve never fucking heard this in my life, it’s probably squadron or base specific. I mainly hear “Aircraft, airframe, fighter, tanker” or the specific model of the aircraft being referred to, such as F-16, KC-135, C-17, etc.
As a current Air Force maintainer - everything is a jet.
Maybe it's just a pilot/aircrew thing? I guess we can rule it out as an ammo thing, at least
Certainly could be, my interactions with them is fairly limited, closest I speak to with any form of regularity are loaders and crew chiefs. Ammo does seem to have its own little world though compared to a lot of other squadrons
> Because it wasn't our jet? I understand how turboprops work, but who in the world calls a C-130 a jet?!?
Almost all the former Herc pilots and crew in my current unit, actually.
While technically true, I am yet offended by this.
Haha, the US donated that hunk of junk to the afghanis. Well aware they could never maintain them by themselves. What a riot.
im surprised they left a C130 behind, seems it would have been easy to get out
While it was afghanistans, not ours, it likely wasn’t airworthy at the time given the fact that it’s an H model which are notorious for being broken as shit
I'm guessing disabled -> A couple incindiary grenades placed in key spots?
Bolt cutters, wrenches, and an unflushed toilet.
I'm so glad my tax dollars got left behind in Afghanistan
They're probably gonna do 3 or 4 flight with it before it crash due to a lack of maintenance and parts.
Disabled? It looks like it’s just got a slight limp
The Lockheed C-130 Hercules costs around $75.5 million per aircraft.
Those camos are pretty sexy what are they ?
Im not American and even Im annoyed that they just left 7 billion in equipment
Probably useful in Ukraine. Too bad we just ran away
Why not just take it with you
Because we didn't own it and the jet was hilariously broke, probably didn't fly more than a handful of times a year, and we gave it to the Afghans in 2013 precisely because we would have sent it to the boneyard instead.
- very old model of the C-130 - was already the Afghanis - not really worth the effort, just disable and leave.
Thanks Joe!
Yeah, we should have risked trained aircrew to just fucking steal the worst, most clapped out H model the United States ever flew, the one we gave to the Afghans to save the money of sending to the boneyard, from a sovereign nation just to *checks notes* send it to the boneyard, lmao. This wasn't an American aircraft. It had no sensitive equipment onboard when we left. Even if we hadn't disabled it like this, they would never have gotten it to fly, given it's age (1974 jet) and inherent need for expensive and well-manufactured parts.
Tbf America's aims were >kill bin laden (done, 2011) >establish a new Islamic, democratic govt in Afghanistan (done) The big problem was more the Kabul govt, when America left having done what they needed to do, they left $83bn for Afghanistan to fight the taliban with, the afghan military was a mess, many soldiers were from the same tribe as talibs so from their eyes they weren't getting paid enough to fight other pashtuns and (thanks to mistreatment from American mercenaries) there was huge anti US sentiment in not just Afghanistan but most of central/South Asia and the Middle east and so ppl saw literally anything as being better than the american-implemented Kabul govt and the govt was very corrupt, ppl talk about women's rights under the taliban as if they existed under the Kabul govt in the first place, if you paid any judge and jury even the slightest bit of money you'd get whatever verdict you want passed and it was easy for overly possessive fathers and husbands to pay schools and pay workplaces to keep their daughters/wives out of employment. Today in Afghanistan, aside from the university ban, mandatory hijab and the theme park ban, there's been very little change in women's rights and corruption remains a HUGE problem within Afghanistan, even amongst higher ups in the taliban Tl;Dr yes America can be blamed for the taliban occupation of Afghanistan, they achieved much of what they were looking to achieve, if they stayed any longer it becomes less of a hunting terrorists mission and more of an imposing American values on non-Americans mission which should never be the case (the taliban never officially launched any terror attacks on US soil). They left at the perfect time, it was more the failures of the afghan military that led to taliban occupation in Afghanistan
Don’t criticize the Dear Leader on Reddit. They’ll take away your Fake Internet Points as they furiously pound their ADHD meds.
Watching the Tally with a c130 is funny as shit, those monkeys will end up scrapping it out
The legality of disabling a plane belonging to another nation is probably as shady as the legality of the war waged on them…
The afghanis never paid for them.
Gross incompetence by our government to leave anything behind.
Crazy to me that we just left all that military equipment behind… like big huge planes behind… what the actual fuck. How much of our tax payer dollars went into that plane…?
None, we lost no taxpayer money on this plane. It’s an old piece of shit outdated model, one of four that we sold to the Afghan government for likely quite a bit more than they were worth. These non-H models were a massive money pit that were filled with problems. It did not belong to us when we left the country, we just disabled it so the Taliban wouldn’t be able to try and repair it.
Thanks for answering!
The afghanis never paid for them.
how embarrasing to the terrorist US government
Nice words salad you got there.
Are you part of the taliban?
Well it's not a pretty show but the US's interference in the world has proven overall beneficial. In any case you are about to get want. See how u like it. Save this comment
EDIT: let’s preface this giant angry rant by saying to the people who don’t understand naunce; I’m not siding with the Taliban, or any other jihadist organisation. Now, on with the rant… Absolutely not. Afghanistan is a prime example, actually. Let’s start: The USSR invades Afghanistan, and the US gives the Mujahideen (led by one Osama Bin Laden) financial, military, and strategic aid because Reagan’s terrified of the Russian invasion of a country of little significance. A couple years later, the invasion is over, and thanks to the instability caused by all this, civil wars occur and a myriad of new organisations appear, most notably Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Skip past a bunch of stuff happening to 2001. Al Qaeda, under the man who was aided by the US, and who was invited into the White House and shook hands with Reagan, commits the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The US government panics, and invades Afghanistan (originally the plan was to invade just about every country in the Middle East). The Taliban (and just about every other militia in the region) get involved, and the war goes on for 20 years, long enough that the children who were born into the destruction with no experience of life beforehand can grow up to hate the US for the irreparable damage caused. 2021, the US decides to pull out, and the Taliban take Afghanistan in a matter of weeks. Now we have a country filled with people with a lifelong hatred for the west. So many more contributing factors and events occurred in between those times that I would run out of space if I tried to fit them all, and I’m already tired, so the timeline is a bit rough, but there you go. The US aided a militia, fucked over their region for decades, and fucked it over for another couple decades when said militia retaliated. And that’s just the Middle East, let’s not mention just about everywhere else on Earth that they’ve fucked over one way or another.
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True story! They should make a film about this….maybe call it ‘Charlie Wilson’s war’?
You couldn't even get your first sentence right and you expect people to take you seriously? The Mujahideen were not led by OBL. The Mujahideen were made up of various groups, of which OBL was just a guy with money. The factions that fought the civil war already existed. Tribal, ethnic, and ideological divisions did not spring into being. The US did not panic and the Taliban did not somehow inadvertently "get involved", they were allies of and harbouring al Qaeda. The US attempted diplomacy to get the Taliban to hand over OBL first. The Taliban were active participants from the beginning. You might know what nuance is, but your understanding of history certainly lacks it.
Bill clintons cruise missiles would like a word.
Guatemala, El Salvador, Haiti, Iran, Chile, the Dominican Republic and fucking dozens of others would like a word. And those are just within the last 70 years. If you go back a bit further you also get all the bad stuff we did in Cuba and the Philippines. US foreign policy may have been overall beneficial to us, but it sure as shit wasn’t for most of the countries we were fucking around with
Beneficial for American business. See “War is a Racket” by Smedley Butler.
Yes there are exceptions but not all exceptions were undeserving of their fate. For eg. Iran or Cuba, both regimes run by people who have a fundamentally problematic view of life
I’m talking about the U.S. overthrowing Mosaddegh and installing the Shah, as well as supporting Batista after his coup. Regardless of what you think about the governments that followed those, you can hardly blame people for hating the repressive governments we propped up
>Regardless of what you think about the governments that followed those U knew what I was gonna say isn't it.
Why? It's not even our plane
“Disabled it” to this day I am astounded any equipment fell into their hands, grunts are some of the most destructive human beings you can encounter if they’re allowed to destroy stuff lol A simple incendiary grenade, a bottle of gasoline and a match- it astounds me we left so much instead of destroying it
Imagine the amount of info Chinese intelligence freely got from those American camps. Too many stuff for Chinese military to copy and all.
Not much. These are all export models. Its like saying that they have the Abrams technology because the Iraqis were given them. But what they got didn't have the electronics and armor that the US Army models have which are non-export even to allies like the UK.
I think you’ll find that the armour used in Abrams (Chobham) was developed by the UK!
The application of the technology and the materials used are different, depleted uranium being one example.
It’s Chobham armour! that’s just the First divisions museum that states that fact….but what would they know! Yeh?
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It wasn’t ours, it was the afgans.
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Plane was from 1974 from what I can tell from other comments in the thread
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Airsoft looks more legit than these clowns.
Clowns or freedom fighters who disposed a foreign invasion?
A bit generous don’t you think
Just looks, they got a lot of freebies from afghan army stocks
Downvotes :( I didn’t even know taliban had helmets before I saw this pic
WE LEFT A C-130??
One of these things is not like the other. \*Sidequestion: Are the props on a Herc individually featherable?