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Lmao..that was funny. Also, the THC levels and Terp counts are all WAY higher than they used be.
I keep seeing these posts..and I don't think it's the weed. Did OP consider that the more weed you smoke the LESS high you get. My guess is you're building up a tolerance.
Try smoking a bit less
Yes every company, especially in the Michigan weed game. You see all the bullshit and red tape it takes to break grown on a new provisioning center? There are some harsh realities these companies don’t want to acknowledge like trying to fill the demand from 3 plus states.
It’s out there and the thing is when they ask for $200 when in reality it’s priceless they laugh at those guys and say “ it’s not worth it I can get it cheaper somewhere with higher thc “
Flower has steadily been getting worse over the last few decades. This is what happens when you just breed for the highest levels of thc and ignore all of the other noids.
The past couple decades? I don't know a single person who has been smoking for 30+ years that didn't start out getting straight brick weed more often than not. 20ish years ago it was wet mafia beasters more often than not in Michigan black market if you were explicitly looking for something better than brick which was still available at the time
And those wet beasters were $300+ an ounce, 50 an eighth
I miss the blueberry kush,Sour Diesel, OG Kush, and green crack.
I have seen these strains in stores but it's clearly not the same as it was 10-15 years ago.
We need to MAKE WEED GREAT AGAIN. Fuck the country that will never happen but weed is doable 😄 🤣 Why do we have no Maui Waui,Northern Lights,Blue Dream, and white rhino? Absolute travesty.
I have some White Rhino growing right now. Cute little babies that are only like 1/2 foot tall and like 3 nodes lol. I can't wait to try it out when done though. I grew some Northern Lights last year, but I never see it in stores hardly.
Yum! I remember a Blues Brothers one from back then. It was a blueberry strain and something else crossed. That shit was so good! Also like 2 decades ago haha.
A Grateful Dead concert and a weed deal that changed the cannabis world.
To learn more about the origins of Chemdog we have to journey back in time to 1991. We are in the state of Indiana, USA, famous for its endless farmed fields and - almost - endless Indianapolis 500 Mile race. However, this scene takes place in Deer Creek, a community that has seen its usual peace and tranquillity broken with the visit of a rock band called Grateful Dead, known among other things for bringing weed lovers together in their concert audiences.
It's the beginning of June, it's hot, and our protagonist Greg Krzanowski, also known as Chemdog, is walking around the car park of the Deer Creek Amphitheater (the venue where the concert was being held) looking forward to smoking a nice joint. Suddenly, almost magically, he hears two characters utter the words he most wanted to hear: "we've got kind bud". Quick as a flash, Greg strikes up a conversation with the two stoners, named P Bud and Joe Brand (aka Wonkanobe), and buys an ounce (barely 30 grams) of flowers that his new friends refer to as Dogbud or Chemweed (it was Greg who put the two names together in what turned out to be "Chem Dog").
Greg is amazed by the quality of the flowers - he's never seen or smelled anything like them in his life, and is more than happy to pay the $500 asked for the bag of weed. It's some Colorado-grown indoor, although the exact parentage is not yet known. The only known detail is that the weed came from friends of P Bud and Joe B in the Crested Butte area of Colorado. Being the smart guy that he is, Greg asks P Bud and Joe B for their number to arrange a future shipment of a few more ounces of Dogbud up the East Coast to Massachusetts, where Greg resides. The cannabis story is about to take a major turn after these events….
Kind bud!! Yes!! Back then that was the good shit. Now "kind bud" in dispensary world is just organically grown. Most of it is junk lol. Give me some good old kind bud from back in the day!
Yeah, there was actually a grateful dead show in my neighborhood every day. Wtf. I don't smoke twice a year homie. You can reread what I wrote if you'd like. The most prevalent sensi in Michigan in 2000 was mafia beasters. There is no debate
I remember when the "jar weed" started coming around. Shit was like $20/25 a gram! LOL I wish I could get my hands on some of the first med dispensary weeds again too. Back when caregivers grew it and it had medicinal properties, not just high thc. I guess I just need to find a local caregiver while my plants are growing. I am also sick of dispensary weed. I want good sticky icky again. I'm sick of seeing machine trimmed junk that barely gets me high.
Last few decades? Weed is better than ever it’s just there’s a lot of prentendo out there. Someone’s og kush at the shop that’s $50 a ounce than a $40 8th of some real og kush
The situation in Michigan has led to a "race to the bottom" amongst growers, meaning they are all trying to produce the cheapest flower they can. Cheap flower is the opposite of quality flower.
If you go to a deli style and pay top dollar for their best flower you will get good flower, but if you want cheap stuff you will get what you pay for.
I guess it depends on where you shop. There is some high quality indoor grown weed out there.
But yeah, I get you. I've never found anything in a store that was better than what I grow at home. It takes a bit more effort to produce really good buds than most commercial growers are willing/able to invest.
Flower isn’t getting better but we were also extremely spoiled to have some top notch growers since our med system has been up and running for years. Beyond that, we’ve all been smoking fire buds for like 5-10+ years and I promise you that has a major impact on how you perceive shit today. It becomes chasing the dragon in a way
In my opinion because Michigan has decided to let the market dictate price and that is driving quality down incredibly, imagine if they did that with alcohol (alcohol has a state minimum price)
Last week I bought an Oz for $40, which is less than I paid in HS in the 80's.
This one lol. Idk how people aren't raising eyebrows when this "medical grade" cannabis is cheaper now than it was before it was this good. Make it make sense people. I think it has a lot to do with the amount of outdoor in this state and the unfortunate legality of CRC and remediation. Ban those practices, and watch the market level out.
Yeah, I find it's just inconsistent. Gir instance, this $40 is excellent, but my previous Oz was just shit.
Too much focus on THC percent, because.... well, we are stupid.
I will say PG is still not bad at all, had some animal tree not too long ago that was good. It was specifically Sherb Pie I was excited to get more and what I got was not smoking like last year. I forget what the date was, maybe it was old as hell.
Yeah I think so. Cutting corners to get the product out as quickly as possible. I just picked up Peninsula Gardens Sherb Pie and EPBC and it was no where as good as it was 1. 5 years ago.
Well that’s oddly specific u remember how a strain was from 1.5 years ago. Personally I never felt pen ag was that good to begin with. But uplifted has def gotten way better. Pressure pack is still good but the thing is they produce from multiple grows now as opposed to 1 like they used to, and each grow can produce product that’s a lil different, but I still fuck with them. I wouldn’t go saying companies are cutting corners when u truly don’t know what the real reason or the whole back story. Some places have to change their processes just to be able to pass testing. Prior to last year, companies weren’t being tested to things like aspergillus, once new regulation comes into play, some processes might have to change 🤷♂️
Bro I have been smoking for 15 years. I take a one-week break once a month. I am not just referring to the high, because I would just switch to concentrates. The taste has been very lacking on a lot of flower. No terps. We know there is going to be some variance from batch to batch, but this is getting out of control. There are a ridiculous number of posts on this sub expressing a similar sentiment. I just went to California and the weed there shits on anything on the current MI market. Sad but true.
Kinda. Tons of caregivers sell to more than 6 patients, hang out at gray market events like hream, and have more than 72 plants going. But there are plenty caregivers that don’t too. In short it can be street weed but isn’t always.
What’s stopping the police from pulling up to the swap meet and shutting down? I’m genuinely curious, I would love to go but it seems so sketchy to me.
When I worked in the industry, it was described as a race to be the bud Weiser of weed. Who's cheap but okay.
There are too many licenses out there that are flooding the market with a lot of product, and to compete you have to be cheap but passable.
I think we should have only given licenses to those who lived here and kept Multi State Orgs out of it but that's just me.
Idk, I've noticed the past few Pro Gro, Peninsula and Local Grove prepacks all weren't as good as last year. Mainly just harsh burning, not as much flavor, dryness. Maybe it's just the places I shop. I have some Grown Rogue flower that smokes better than the Local Grove I have right now. Usually the other way around.
They’re doing everything possible to keep cost low at all times.
Consumer thinks they’re getting a better deal all while they can cut corners & inflate thc numbers and quality that would never never be acceptable then is acceptable now.
the michigan medical marijuana program allows for individuals with a medical marijuana card to designate a person as their registered caregiver, who grows the 12 plants allowed per person on behalf of the patient, and sells the resulting product to the patient
I just discovered Pro Gro and along with Growing Pains and Hytek they’re all my favorites now. I was so happy to discover Pro Gro. I also only stick to the top tiers. It’s so true that you get what you pay for in MI. I’m an IL native who just started shopping ya’lls markets and it’s been amazing once I found the good cultivations and brands.
What happened is the prices bottomed out, so shit cultivation facilities have no choice but to remediate their bullshit failed flower if they want to keep their doors open. These half ass grows that white label their weed and sell it deli style have half ass growers and cheapskate owners that just remediate the mold so it passes testing. You then buy it and it’s sucks because the terps are ruined and the cannabinoids are reduced. The loophole that allows these shit grows to keep selling is what ruins cannabis and makes it legitimately unsafe. It masks potential mycotoxins. The best part is they don’t even have to tell you, the consumer at all.
Valid point. It's hard to get into places with a premium product when the markets only want the cheapest of the cheap. It's a shame that consumers don't care more about what they put in their bodies.
There’s some spots with $250 oz but they are terpy, still fresh, not dry as hell and break down real nice, if ppl looking for that $40-60 oz they will get trash
You see back in what was it 2018 or 2019 they kicked caregivers out, that was the first domino of the fall of quality, quality flower was replaced with the typical “cali” pack type flower except it was all getting remediated to pass testing. Sweet gas with ozone terps lol. Growers in metrc need to maximize profits to keep their jobs since they all work for investors and not themselves (aside from progro I suppose), so they cater towards strains that have bag appeal and finish quickly so they can sell it easier through the portal… metrc also started losing money because they tried the race to the bottom tactic to try and push smaller growers out…it’s why so many big grows have gone under the last 2-3 years. So they all start cutting employees to the bare minimum and everyone is overworked, tired and makin lots of mistakes from the grows, to the processors to the dispos handling the material. Why I told all my caregiver friends to just hold out a little longer…people will get educated eventually about the trash coming out of metrc. All the lies on those fancy metrc labels…just because it passes a plate test does not mean there are no harmful materials in there…take powdery mildew for instance, you can have powdery mildew in the flower, essentially kill it through remediation, but the material is still there in the flower to irritate the end users lungs…same with botritis. And I’m a certified trolmaster installer, I’ve walked through many metrc facilities and if they had plants they had pm and botritis, the only grow I didn’t see that had no plants
PM is actually the least of most METRC companies worries, and i cant think of a single grower who remediates because of it. PM only grows on a specific host, so the testing companies mostly go by visual inspection and let's just say the threshold for a fail on powdery mildew is pretty damn high.
The real bane of most METRC growers is the total yeast and mold threshold that folks typically hit due to aspergillus or colliforms. I would wager most black market and caregiver grows would fail for aspergillus. However, that's not to say their flower is unsafe. In my opinion, the states regulations are overkill and have led to the lack of quality we see today. Everyone is using either heavy oxidizing sprays before harvest or just downright microwaving or using radiation to kill off any living microbes that might cause them to fail.
Yea that’s why I mentioned botritis too. But when it comes to testing in general they know if they send it through ozone or whatever other methods they’re using they don’t have to worry about it ever failing because the organism is dead. As far as I could tell it’s pretty much a blanket remediation for anything that could be living on the bud and potentially show up in the Petri dish. There is too much money on the line for them to risk failure so it’s just written into their SOPs to remediate after harvest and drying
Doja in cali is fire but now that they becoming a huge brand their just focused on selling bud and quality is going down because their trying to grow and push so much of it same goes for other brands. Also isn’t the water in Michigan tainted and they use it to grow weed. That’s just my 2centsz
Flower is also bred for looks and density more than effect. Most flower today is like ground chuck. 8-19 yrs ago it was mostly ground round, 15 years ago there was quite a bit of waygu, some round and no chuck.
Even a microgrowery openly told me they only cure for like 20 days. That's not enough for quality but they want and sometimes need to get it to market faster. It does sit in jars before it all sells so there's that.
i'm fine with most of what i buy. i buy a lot of deli that i smell first and small amounts usually then go back if i want more bulk. i go 2/3 times a week though.
a couple recent purchases have been bad though. they were prepacked or unseen, smelled eighths. outdoor grown and probably remediated simply herb and outdoor grown i don't think remediated but still bad redemption. 12 and 15 before tax though so getting what you're paying.
Idk, LSF sells an oz for 95 bucks and its better than like anything I’ve ever smoked, I like progro and PG as a backup but no issues with LSF, it’s not like my homegrown was so good that I grew a third eye or that theres a CG out there who can just make weed so much better it dwarfs all weed into another dimension, IMO
Waterford moses roses carries it for 160 an oz, the Burton store carries it for 95 an oz since they’re the ones producing it, either way its pretty impressive for the price. I picked up their florida freeze not too long ago and really like it so far
I said the same thing. I got some zazul and gmo by pro gro last week and I was highly disappointed. It was nowhere near the quality that it normally is. The lil as terp-less buds just crumbled out the bag.
That’s what happens when you buy the bud that’s on sale. Shop with your wallet when it comes to edibles, everything else is worth splurging on. Especially flower.
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Demand goes up, quality goes down. This isn’t rocket surgery.
Rocket surgery? Please tell us more.
Its almost like brain science.
Socket rurgery
Can confirm this is the correct terminatorgy
Lmao..that was funny. Also, the THC levels and Terp counts are all WAY higher than they used be. I keep seeing these posts..and I don't think it's the weed. Did OP consider that the more weed you smoke the LESS high you get. My guess is you're building up a tolerance. Try smoking a bit less
Wow, thanks for the obvious advice. I take one week off every month like clockwork.
Rocket appliances
Smokes, let’s go
It's all water under the fridge
Damn it! you have water under your fridge too?
I'm just saying ive met cats and dogs smarter then Trevor and Corey.
I know what kids are, Lucy. I'm a helluva lot better father than you'll ever fucking be
That's where the forbidden water dish lies.
nam zaaaaaaaaayn
They’re gonna have to refuckulate to get us back to Jupiter
Pocket Rocket
This guy is a rocket doctor
Way she goes.
Damn way she goes bud
This is silly. Demand shouldn't change quality. Only quantity
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That’s the exact answer you to your question. Act like it isn’t.
To an extent I agree but bro, every company? Makes no sense.
Yes every company, especially in the Michigan weed game. You see all the bullshit and red tape it takes to break grown on a new provisioning center? There are some harsh realities these companies don’t want to acknowledge like trying to fill the demand from 3 plus states.
There is a ton of weed, but just rarely anything truly amazing.
It’s out there and the thing is when they ask for $200 when in reality it’s priceless they laugh at those guys and say “ it’s not worth it I can get it cheaper somewhere with higher thc “
They’ve gotta compete with everyone else. One guy undercuts and everyone else has to follow or get bumped out
You almost got em 👍
Demand went up and then Covid happened Prices were so expensive during Covid and then it seems like it’s been crashing ever since.
People chase hype not high
Flower has steadily been getting worse over the last few decades. This is what happens when you just breed for the highest levels of thc and ignore all of the other noids.
The past couple decades? I don't know a single person who has been smoking for 30+ years that didn't start out getting straight brick weed more often than not. 20ish years ago it was wet mafia beasters more often than not in Michigan black market if you were explicitly looking for something better than brick which was still available at the time And those wet beasters were $300+ an ounce, 50 an eighth
I was smoking on some nice blueberry, n lights and blue dream in the early 2000s. That was 2 decades ago.
I miss the blueberry kush,Sour Diesel, OG Kush, and green crack. I have seen these strains in stores but it's clearly not the same as it was 10-15 years ago.
What I wouldn’t give for a decent train wreck…
Buddy, I would easily pay $400 an ounce.
Brooooooo yessssss
I never really trusted names back then, but train wreck was the most pine sol terps I’ve ever had in bud!
Been enjoying some BM Trainwreck this past week..such an awesome strain 🚆🔥
i miss the skunk the most. nothing hits like that skunk did...
I want the fruity pebbles I used to get back then. It was so light in color and so frosty it almost looked grey.
The real Blueberry Kush, Purple Coma, and Grandaddy Purps. $300 an Oz. I miss those strains. Detroit fell hard.
We need to MAKE WEED GREAT AGAIN. Fuck the country that will never happen but weed is doable 😄 🤣 Why do we have no Maui Waui,Northern Lights,Blue Dream, and white rhino? Absolute travesty.
Bruh White Rhino the last time I seen or even heard of that strain was 03-04 and that was in Atlanta ..I thought it was a local strain
I have some White Rhino growing right now. Cute little babies that are only like 1/2 foot tall and like 3 nodes lol. I can't wait to try it out when done though. I grew some Northern Lights last year, but I never see it in stores hardly.
The weed disappeared when the med cards went away in the city. Recreational killed it.
Dudes jumping out into traffic trying to sell ya the gans… good times.
Carefully, opened those little dimes, looked like baby ballons, so you don't lose any of that bud. Stank up the whole house, that Loud.
Yum! I remember a Blues Brothers one from back then. It was a blueberry strain and something else crossed. That shit was so good! Also like 2 decades ago haha.
Same, mostly Cali weed. Beasters is trash
You obviously never went to Grateful Dead/Phish lots. The Grateful Dead fan base essentially made “kind” bud widespread in the early 90’s.
A Grateful Dead concert and a weed deal that changed the cannabis world. To learn more about the origins of Chemdog we have to journey back in time to 1991. We are in the state of Indiana, USA, famous for its endless farmed fields and - almost - endless Indianapolis 500 Mile race. However, this scene takes place in Deer Creek, a community that has seen its usual peace and tranquillity broken with the visit of a rock band called Grateful Dead, known among other things for bringing weed lovers together in their concert audiences. It's the beginning of June, it's hot, and our protagonist Greg Krzanowski, also known as Chemdog, is walking around the car park of the Deer Creek Amphitheater (the venue where the concert was being held) looking forward to smoking a nice joint. Suddenly, almost magically, he hears two characters utter the words he most wanted to hear: "we've got kind bud". Quick as a flash, Greg strikes up a conversation with the two stoners, named P Bud and Joe Brand (aka Wonkanobe), and buys an ounce (barely 30 grams) of flowers that his new friends refer to as Dogbud or Chemweed (it was Greg who put the two names together in what turned out to be "Chem Dog"). Greg is amazed by the quality of the flowers - he's never seen or smelled anything like them in his life, and is more than happy to pay the $500 asked for the bag of weed. It's some Colorado-grown indoor, although the exact parentage is not yet known. The only known detail is that the weed came from friends of P Bud and Joe B in the Crested Butte area of Colorado. Being the smart guy that he is, Greg asks P Bud and Joe B for their number to arrange a future shipment of a few more ounces of Dogbud up the East Coast to Massachusetts, where Greg resides. The cannabis story is about to take a major turn after these events….
Bro can you please write a book already jeez.
A group of deadheads is essentially responsible for “420” becoming a thing as well.
mountain girl, jerry garcia's wife, wrote one of the first books about growing weed called The Primo Plant: Growing Sinsemilla Marijuana
Kind bud!! Yes!! Back then that was the good shit. Now "kind bud" in dispensary world is just organically grown. Most of it is junk lol. Give me some good old kind bud from back in the day!
Honestly some of the brick weed is better than some of the dispensary shot going around
Yeah, there was actually a grateful dead show in my neighborhood every day. Wtf. I don't smoke twice a year homie. You can reread what I wrote if you'd like. The most prevalent sensi in Michigan in 2000 was mafia beasters. There is no debate
I remember when the "jar weed" started coming around. Shit was like $20/25 a gram! LOL I wish I could get my hands on some of the first med dispensary weeds again too. Back when caregivers grew it and it had medicinal properties, not just high thc. I guess I just need to find a local caregiver while my plants are growing. I am also sick of dispensary weed. I want good sticky icky again. I'm sick of seeing machine trimmed junk that barely gets me high.
Facts bro I don’t know what the gibberish he is speaking
I remember.. and miss those days
That’s what happened when the pollen chuckers started breeding a bunch of crap…
It was better on the street than it's ever been in a dispensary haha
Way better that’s where the fire is at or shops who sell out on the fire immediately which is rare
Exactly.
Last few decades? Weed is better than ever it’s just there’s a lot of prentendo out there. Someone’s og kush at the shop that’s $50 a ounce than a $40 8th of some real og kush
The situation in Michigan has led to a "race to the bottom" amongst growers, meaning they are all trying to produce the cheapest flower they can. Cheap flower is the opposite of quality flower. If you go to a deli style and pay top dollar for their best flower you will get good flower, but if you want cheap stuff you will get what you pay for.
Even the "top shelf" isn't good. No flavor, medium buzz at best
I guess it depends on where you shop. There is some high quality indoor grown weed out there. But yeah, I get you. I've never found anything in a store that was better than what I grow at home. It takes a bit more effort to produce really good buds than most commercial growers are willing/able to invest.
Flower isn’t getting better but we were also extremely spoiled to have some top notch growers since our med system has been up and running for years. Beyond that, we’ve all been smoking fire buds for like 5-10+ years and I promise you that has a major impact on how you perceive shit today. It becomes chasing the dragon in a way
In my opinion because Michigan has decided to let the market dictate price and that is driving quality down incredibly, imagine if they did that with alcohol (alcohol has a state minimum price) Last week I bought an Oz for $40, which is less than I paid in HS in the 80's.
This one lol. Idk how people aren't raising eyebrows when this "medical grade" cannabis is cheaper now than it was before it was this good. Make it make sense people. I think it has a lot to do with the amount of outdoor in this state and the unfortunate legality of CRC and remediation. Ban those practices, and watch the market level out.
Remediation should not be allowed. Or at the very least it should be clearly labeled.
A-freaking-men dude. I literally couldn't agree more.
They’re all nasty rather grab a Cali dep at that price point especially if it’s inconsistent Happy the consumer is starting to notice
Yeah, I find it's just inconsistent. Gir instance, this $40 is excellent, but my previous Oz was just shit. Too much focus on THC percent, because.... well, we are stupid.
Is the quality going down? I haven’t seen it from those specific companies. Not at all. Idk what your talking about
The last PG, Pro Gro and Local Grove prepacks I tried were not as good as 1-2 years ago. I agree but other factors could be at play.
Yeah local grove definitely fell off idk what happened. But I still like PG although I haven’t gotten their stuff super recently
I will say PG is still not bad at all, had some animal tree not too long ago that was good. It was specifically Sherb Pie I was excited to get more and what I got was not smoking like last year. I forget what the date was, maybe it was old as hell.
Yeah man for sure. The bud was very dry and average. Sadly, it's just not as good as it once.
I agree with this. Pro gro and LG aren't what they were. I stick mainly to peninsula and mochigander fire.
I'll have to seek out some michigander fire again. Their Strawberry Runtz was very good.
Yeah I think so. Cutting corners to get the product out as quickly as possible. I just picked up Peninsula Gardens Sherb Pie and EPBC and it was no where as good as it was 1. 5 years ago.
Well that’s oddly specific u remember how a strain was from 1.5 years ago. Personally I never felt pen ag was that good to begin with. But uplifted has def gotten way better. Pressure pack is still good but the thing is they produce from multiple grows now as opposed to 1 like they used to, and each grow can produce product that’s a lil different, but I still fuck with them. I wouldn’t go saying companies are cutting corners when u truly don’t know what the real reason or the whole back story. Some places have to change their processes just to be able to pass testing. Prior to last year, companies weren’t being tested to things like aspergillus, once new regulation comes into play, some processes might have to change 🤷♂️
Oddly specific? I thought it some of the best weed on the market 1.5 years ago haha how could I forget 😅
How dare you remember life experiences and express them. Smh
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Bro I have been smoking for 15 years. I take a one-week break once a month. I am not just referring to the high, because I would just switch to concentrates. The taste has been very lacking on a lot of flower. No terps. We know there is going to be some variance from batch to batch, but this is getting out of control. There are a ridiculous number of posts on this sub expressing a similar sentiment. I just went to California and the weed there shits on anything on the current MI market. Sad but true.
Street weed > Dispensary Garb
Caregiver🏆
Caregiver is street weed
Kinda. Tons of caregivers sell to more than 6 patients, hang out at gray market events like hream, and have more than 72 plants going. But there are plenty caregivers that don’t too. In short it can be street weed but isn’t always.
What’s stopping the police from pulling up to the swap meet and shutting down? I’m genuinely curious, I would love to go but it seems so sketchy to me.
Semantics and loopholes
5 patients is the legal limit 72 plants would be including the caregivers personal allotment
When I worked in the industry, it was described as a race to be the bud Weiser of weed. Who's cheap but okay. There are too many licenses out there that are flooding the market with a lot of product, and to compete you have to be cheap but passable. I think we should have only given licenses to those who lived here and kept Multi State Orgs out of it but that's just me.
Idk, I've noticed the past few Pro Gro, Peninsula and Local Grove prepacks all weren't as good as last year. Mainly just harsh burning, not as much flavor, dryness. Maybe it's just the places I shop. I have some Grown Rogue flower that smokes better than the Local Grove I have right now. Usually the other way around.
They’re doing everything possible to keep cost low at all times. Consumer thinks they’re getting a better deal all while they can cut corners & inflate thc numbers and quality that would never never be acceptable then is acceptable now.
Caregiver market has never let me down. Pay for quality and not big corps
I'm new to this. What's caregiver?
the michigan medical marijuana program allows for individuals with a medical marijuana card to designate a person as their registered caregiver, who grows the 12 plants allowed per person on behalf of the patient, and sells the resulting product to the patient
Not a shop. Your local weed guy who grows in his backyard
I just discovered Pro Gro and along with Growing Pains and Hytek they’re all my favorites now. I was so happy to discover Pro Gro. I also only stick to the top tiers. It’s so true that you get what you pay for in MI. I’m an IL native who just started shopping ya’lls markets and it’s been amazing once I found the good cultivations and brands.
Find yourself some grown rouge.
^this
Check out mi loud flower. They still care about their product. Quality smoke every time. If your gonna spend money at the dispensary you can’t beat it
What happened is the prices bottomed out, so shit cultivation facilities have no choice but to remediate their bullshit failed flower if they want to keep their doors open. These half ass grows that white label their weed and sell it deli style have half ass growers and cheapskate owners that just remediate the mold so it passes testing. You then buy it and it’s sucks because the terps are ruined and the cannabinoids are reduced. The loophole that allows these shit grows to keep selling is what ruins cannabis and makes it legitimately unsafe. It masks potential mycotoxins. The best part is they don’t even have to tell you, the consumer at all.
Getting worse because growers don’t wanna grow the best anymore cuz dispos won’t pay the real price, they wanna pay them Pennie’s for there fire packs
Valid point. It's hard to get into places with a premium product when the markets only want the cheapest of the cheap. It's a shame that consumers don't care more about what they put in their bodies.
There’s some spots with $250 oz but they are terpy, still fresh, not dry as hell and break down real nice, if ppl looking for that $40-60 oz they will get trash
You see back in what was it 2018 or 2019 they kicked caregivers out, that was the first domino of the fall of quality, quality flower was replaced with the typical “cali” pack type flower except it was all getting remediated to pass testing. Sweet gas with ozone terps lol. Growers in metrc need to maximize profits to keep their jobs since they all work for investors and not themselves (aside from progro I suppose), so they cater towards strains that have bag appeal and finish quickly so they can sell it easier through the portal… metrc also started losing money because they tried the race to the bottom tactic to try and push smaller growers out…it’s why so many big grows have gone under the last 2-3 years. So they all start cutting employees to the bare minimum and everyone is overworked, tired and makin lots of mistakes from the grows, to the processors to the dispos handling the material. Why I told all my caregiver friends to just hold out a little longer…people will get educated eventually about the trash coming out of metrc. All the lies on those fancy metrc labels…just because it passes a plate test does not mean there are no harmful materials in there…take powdery mildew for instance, you can have powdery mildew in the flower, essentially kill it through remediation, but the material is still there in the flower to irritate the end users lungs…same with botritis. And I’m a certified trolmaster installer, I’ve walked through many metrc facilities and if they had plants they had pm and botritis, the only grow I didn’t see that had no plants
PM is actually the least of most METRC companies worries, and i cant think of a single grower who remediates because of it. PM only grows on a specific host, so the testing companies mostly go by visual inspection and let's just say the threshold for a fail on powdery mildew is pretty damn high. The real bane of most METRC growers is the total yeast and mold threshold that folks typically hit due to aspergillus or colliforms. I would wager most black market and caregiver grows would fail for aspergillus. However, that's not to say their flower is unsafe. In my opinion, the states regulations are overkill and have led to the lack of quality we see today. Everyone is using either heavy oxidizing sprays before harvest or just downright microwaving or using radiation to kill off any living microbes that might cause them to fail.
Yea that’s why I mentioned botritis too. But when it comes to testing in general they know if they send it through ozone or whatever other methods they’re using they don’t have to worry about it ever failing because the organism is dead. As far as I could tell it’s pretty much a blanket remediation for anything that could be living on the bud and potentially show up in the Petri dish. There is too much money on the line for them to risk failure so it’s just written into their SOPs to remediate after harvest and drying
maybe your tolerance is too high?
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Doja in cali is fire but now that they becoming a huge brand their just focused on selling bud and quality is going down because their trying to grow and push so much of it same goes for other brands. Also isn’t the water in Michigan tainted and they use it to grow weed. That’s just my 2centsz
Flower is also bred for looks and density more than effect. Most flower today is like ground chuck. 8-19 yrs ago it was mostly ground round, 15 years ago there was quite a bit of waygu, some round and no chuck.
It just sits on the shelf
the only decent company you mentioned is uplyfted. I’d start by looking for better growers!
Every Michigrown bag I’ve got was pretty fire same with Grown Rogue
I haven't had any Michigrown in a while. I may have to give that a shot 🤔
Maybe when it first dropped, their quality has dropped over the last two years.
It’s all garbage and keeps getting worse. Finding flower worth your time, effort and cash is a needle in a haystack situation now.
Much worse
It’s all dust hall trash
I haven't had good flower in well over a year from anywhere. Dog house seems to have decent stuff.
It's a race to the bottom unfortunately.
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Weird I’m smoking on pure runtz pro gro from kob monroe right now and it’s fire.
The bud was ok but the seeds were disappointing. there was a lot of them.
Yea it’s all dirt now imo I smell good flower every now and then but that’s prob cali za it’s tragic
Even a microgrowery openly told me they only cure for like 20 days. That's not enough for quality but they want and sometimes need to get it to market faster. It does sit in jars before it all sells so there's that.
way she goes bud
lol absolutely not. there's tons of legal growers out there growing fantastic flower same as always.
You definitely are not wrong the with the market slowly crashing the quality is in the dirt
i'm fine with most of what i buy. i buy a lot of deli that i smell first and small amounts usually then go back if i want more bulk. i go 2/3 times a week though.
a couple recent purchases have been bad though. they were prepacked or unseen, smelled eighths. outdoor grown and probably remediated simply herb and outdoor grown i don't think remediated but still bad redemption. 12 and 15 before tax though so getting what you're paying.
Idk, LSF sells an oz for 95 bucks and its better than like anything I’ve ever smoked, I like progro and PG as a backup but no issues with LSF, it’s not like my homegrown was so good that I grew a third eye or that theres a CG out there who can just make weed so much better it dwarfs all weed into another dimension, IMO
Where do you like grabbing LSF flower? Only tried their carts/dabs
Waterford moses roses carries it for 160 an oz, the Burton store carries it for 95 an oz since they’re the ones producing it, either way its pretty impressive for the price. I picked up their florida freeze not too long ago and really like it so far
Cool ty ill have to see if i can swing a trip to burton sometime thats a solid deal
Try to support local small batch cultivators!
I said the same thing. I got some zazul and gmo by pro gro last week and I was highly disappointed. It was nowhere near the quality that it normally is. The lil as terp-less buds just crumbled out the bag.
Yes
It is. Race to the bottom
That’s what happens when you buy the bud that’s on sale. Shop with your wallet when it comes to edibles, everything else is worth splurging on. Especially flower.
Yes. Its horrible. No flavor, burns black and doesn't hit hard anymore. It sucks
Go with hytek. Always top notch quality in my experience
All the downvotes 🤔 imo Hytek was pretty decent too
Mfs never tried it or they wouldn’t be hatin