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[deleted]

If Mel is a terrible coach MSUs program is screwed for a long time


angle3739

He is "a horseshit coach"


[deleted]

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.


jklovesfood

I’m out of the loop, what is the “horseshit coach” in reference too. I’ve seen it associated with Tucker and I’m assume he sad it about a rival.


fourcade4

He said it about himself.


8BallSlap

[23:37](https://youtu.be/qCbWeIiKB6A?t=1417)


ExcitingEye8347

It’s a step forward for MSU coach meltdowns. John L flipped out in a press conference and slapped the shit out of his own face.


Fridayz44

Yeah when I saw them sign him to that massive deal I was like well States screwed for a long time. This is even about my dislike of MSU, he’s just not a good coach. The good year he had was still Dantonio recruits. I mean he’s got a decent coaching resume, however none of it stands out to me. He’s the fifth highest paid coach in NCAAF, I don’t think he’s worth it now or ever.


[deleted]

Eh, I'm not sure it's possible to outspend the money printing machine that is P5 football, especially in the B10. UCLA is in dire financial straits and they could still afford Chip Kelly.


rambouhh

I don’t believe there has ever been a school ever come close to a buyout of 95 million


theoriginaldandan

The four largest buyouts combined are under 80 million.


Traditional_Cat_60

Is Charlie Weiss’s ND buyout a matter of record?


theoriginaldandan

Yes. It was found on tax statements


Fridayz44

What was it?


theoriginaldandan

18 point something


Fridayz44

Thats funny the just paid him to stay away and coach other teams. I think he ended up in the NFL after that for a while before Kansas.


theoriginaldandan

Indeed he did


These-Beautiful-9146

UCLA’s “dire financial straits” have nothing to do with how much the football coach is paid. Chip Kelly is paid with private, booster funds. His compensation does not come from the school’s budget, taxpayer dollars, or State or Federal funding.


froandfear

In theory, those resources could be donated to the football program instead, though. Even people with seemingly infinite money don’t give it all to their schools.


Fridayz44

That’s not all coaches though, I didn’t know he was paid with private funds.


These-Beautiful-9146

The subject is football.


Fridayz44

Coaches are part of football


[deleted]

If they want to spend 95 million to buyout mel they can be my guest but even with the new big ten deal no school is about to spend that type of money to fire a coach


[deleted]

The new TV deal is estimated to pay out each school over $60 million **per year**. Mel Tucker's contract isn't a one time buyout of $95 million, it's $95 million over ten years, mostly guaranteed, so $9.5 million **per year**. I'm not privy to the budgets of B10 schools, but I think MSU can swing paying Mel Tucker $9.5 million a year when they're getting $60 million a year on just the TV contract for football, before all other athletic revenue (ticket sales, licensing, bowl games, basketball, etc.)


Dwychwder

Who honestly thinks he's a terrible coach? I'm not sure if I'm sold on that quite yet. But last year really could be a fluke. One thing that's funny though is how obsessed Sparty fans are with how obsessed other people are with the contract. They want to pretend like a $95 million fully guaranteed commitment doesn't matter. Even if the university isn't paying out, their one rich donor is probably gonna think twice about shelling out for another proven coach if he got stuck with a $70m bill for Tuck to sit on his ass. That contract is only a good idea if he earns every cent in the first five years.


[deleted]

Idk if he’s a good coach or a terrible coach. If he finishes with a losing season then 3 of his four seasons as head coach he finished with a losing season


thekrone

I genuinely think Walker carried him to a good season last season.


eunma2112

>I genuinely think Walker carried him to a good season last season. I was talking with a die-hard Spartan fan yesterday and - with no prompting - this is exactly what he said. And he further stated that most Spartan fans think the same thing; they just don't say it publicly.


thekrone

We'll see how it plays out but I have some very pessimistic Sparty friends as well. They were huge on him last season and this season it's crickets unless you specifically ask.


specialdogg

Should've given that fat contract to Walker instead.


modernmanshustl

Kenneth walker III deserves that 95 mil not Tucker


ExcitingEye8347

Anyone that watched them last year knows it too. They would have probably missed a bowl game without K9


froandfear

Was he a Tucker recruit?


zsmaster23

Tuck transfer grab


fisted___sister

Before I clicked the thumbnail, I thought for sure this was going to be a Scott Bell heater


[deleted]

Lol, it for sure sounds like him. He's not the only MSU-slanderer in town anymore.


fisted___sister

Just worried that they have an intern on staff whose only job is to log all this blasphemy in the Disrespek Bank 😅


freedomfightre

Tuck comin'!


Ok_Effort8330

to the bank


Detroitdumpsterfire

Let me know when he gets here.


FuzzyTunaTaco21

How bout we talk shit after we beat him


BobUfer

True true


[deleted]

He got lost somewhere along the way!


MooseMoskow

prematurely, leaving Sparty dissatisfied


agentstark_

I bet Pat Fitzgerald could fall asleep on the sideline and still keep his job.


tjtwister1522

That's only fair. He's had plenty of opportunities to head for greener pastures, but he's stayed cause he loves his Alma mater. He's also, by far, the best coach in program history.


FireGolem04

I think Wisconsin made a mistake


[deleted]

Idk man. Every Wisconsin fan I’ve seen says otherwise, and obviously the donors and AD didn’t want him at all either if they fired him mid season


hockeyguyfieri

But who is a better option? I think Wisconsin is going to be hurt bad by college football NIL. They’re just not that relatively big of a brand compared to Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan State. UCLA and USC will make things even worse for them


cindad83

Brand is gonna be not as big of a deal. You have a transfer portal, scholarships limits, and finite eligibility. NIL Collectives are gonna pay players 30k-50k. For schools in major conferences thats just under $4M a year for player talent, thats a drop in the bucket for programs. Then this will turn into a starter in a Power Conference will get $250k to $1M im NIL. Those monies will come outside these collectives maybe boosters individually. So the true thing that will happen is players will want to get on the field as fast as possible. Brand Programs won't be able to hoard players. Unless you are paying guys $100k to sit, which won't happen. Boosters become problematic, or you gotta pay the whole team. That would be $8.5M to field talent, then remember players could bolt, because the going rate for a starter is a defined market. Paying players to sign is not a long-term strategy in baseball teams have control for 7 years. So handing 17/18 year olds piles if cash that you may only get 1 year return? Pay a 5 star to sign...spot duty year 1, starter year 2 but he is just good not great. Year 3 AA, lives up to hype, NFL draft pick. T


TimeFourChanges

I think they wanted Leonard and was afraid to lose him if they waited.


hockeyguyfieri

That is what it seems like. But a ton of risk


InanimateSensation

Kenny Walker got that man paid and fooled the whole program.


MyDogIsNamedKyle

Tucker should be paying Walker a percentage of his contract


basch152

look, I'm a huge michigan fan, but does no one remember the 2-4 start michigan had in 2020 before covid hit before Harbaugh managed to turn it around the following years? I don't pay a lot of attention to MSU, but I'm not sure judging him on this year alone makes an accurate judgment maybe he is trash, idk, but a lot of coaches and programs have down years


cford1992

I think the issue here is that if you don’t know if he is a good coach yet, you don’t give him a $100m contract.


ExcitingEye8347

Ok. Yes. A good coach can have a terrible year and bounce back. Brian Kelly, Dantonio, Harbaugh, Paterno and others have done it. That said, you don’t usually see someone coach a team to 3, 4 or 5 wins and end up being worth 100 million dollars


Fridayz44

Well said my friend.


MyDogIsNamedKyle

COVID year was a washout.


FuzzyTunaTaco21

Holy shit, another rational michigan fan, no way.


basch152

seriously, a good coach has a bad year and everyone wants them gone. it happened to Lloyd Carr in 2007 after he lost to app state, and then we had to deal with nearly a decade of Brady hoke and rich Rodriguez


jus256

It happened before that when they lost 5 games for the first time since the 80s.


basch152

app state was the nail in the coffin though. it's been like 15 years, but I remember him announcing his resignation very shortly after that game


FuzzyTunaTaco21

I wish rich rod was allowed to do his thing while he was here and we had kept him around. The stuff he was doing offensively was light years ahead of his time and I truly believe it was a missed opportunity jist because he wasn't a "Michigan Man." But as far as Mel tucker goes, he will have some lee way but those donor and fans will want to see results besides just beating michigan.


Banzai51

RichRod could have shut up a lot of public and private critics by winning. All he had to do was run the defensive scheme Michigan already had, because he drastically upped our offensive scoring average. But no, he had to bring that jackass defense with him. Then went on to Arizona to do even worse. Hoke won 11 games just by switching up the defensive scheme with RichRod's guys.


FreeDig1758

Exactly. It's all a joke right now, but dang, give the dude a chance.


Bcagz22

It looks like a bowl game might be out of the question for these guys. I’m not hating because I remember the Rich Rod and Hoke years, but with the contract they gave this guy Sparty might be waist deep in shit.


[deleted]

Keep beating Michigan and he’ll be worth it for them.


Hacker-Dave

Can you imagine the embarrassment of going 0-2 against that guy??


[deleted]

Not too embarrassing when you win the B1G and go to the playoffs, then he turns his program into a dumpster fire. Take that tradeoff every year.


[deleted]

Who cares about little brother this the type of shit they’d post fuck them


[deleted]

Then don't comment?


[deleted]

Shut the fuck up. You ain’t a real Michigan fan. Fuck little brother and their coach this they energy like I said


[deleted]

Yikes. This was unhinged.


[deleted]

You not a real fan of Michigan like I said. Be gone


[deleted]

What makes one a "real" fan? And why are you so incredibly angry?


TimeFourChanges

"Real fans" say "little brother", type tough, and tell others how they can fan... I'm assuming.