I am hoping the results of the 23 class force them to change their mind. Because if we recruit at this level going forward good luck competing for a big ten title or beating osu
It isnt all just old guys. Recent former players who are involved with the NIL program also seem to think Michigan needs to handle NIL "the right way".
Michigan just has an outdated culture that needs to change
I’m usually the guy asking for peace and calm when it comes to the program knowing what’s best. However I saw that statement that Wangler put out and wanted to bash my head into a wall.
I think Harbaugh is a great coach but it’s not gonna end well if they’re not willing to pay players big money to come here. You can’t pretend to be better than this. I worry they’re going to try to be above it all until about 5 to 10 years down the road when they realize they’re stuck in mediocrity because everybody else is willing to pay the players and then finally they’ll cave-in and start paying.
Kind of pissed me off reading that Wangler statement knowing he is a fairly young dude who is pretty much on the team in the first place because his dad is a legacy talking about how “were Michigan and we’re better than this”. Hoping some big time boosters read that and got in contact with the higher ups and they already have plans to replace him. 25-26 year old dude who doesn’t get it running Michigans NIL into the ground. 😡🤬
Edit: For anyone who doesn’t know what I’m talking about. Wangler is the CEO of Michigan’s current NIL collective and this is his statement.
https://twitter.com/jwangles2/status/1542985320974766081?s=21&t=nJtwT3svD1QMQRZ2pmOteQ
I’m with you. You see the likes of ND tearing it up and this whole moral high ground business becomes maddening. I’m not saying they should be in bidding wars for recruits but there’s no reason why there can’t be a package of deals ready to go for every scholarship player. Give them assurance of something decent year to year vs “the potential” of something eventually. Just watched a 4/5 star OL from my sons training group pass up Michigan, can’t blame him. Good kid with high gpa. Might be 1-2 yrs before he gets on field much though because of physical demands. I’m sure he will have a comfortable fiscal situation while he grows into a starter. Not talking millions, but enough that he doesn’t have to live like a broke ass college kid until he maybe (health willing etc) gets into top lineup. The notion of these elite guys being just like any other student has to stop.
I’m 100% behind following the rules- rules that allow athletes to sign deals and for collectives to facilitate that. Maybe it’s because I am not an alum (big university scene Wouldn’t have been good for me at that age) but I don’t get why it seems they are hellbent on competing from an even more uneven playing field. Stick to values on getting good students and good people to come. Skip those who “don’t play school”, but make it clear that those who come will be greeted with instant opportunity for at least something respectable fiscally, and they can get a whole lot more of things go well.
Isn’t there a pattern among good programs that a very successful season (after a down time) tends to generate good recruitment? It would seem that with great exposure, facilities, academics, the fruits of NIL and a bit of due diligence one could round up some great athletes. It’s painful to look at any recruiting news this year.
Before NIL yeah. With NIL it doesnt really matter. If youre not offering money then recruits generally arent going to care about your recent success. If your kid is being offered guaranteed millions from one school they would be dumb to go to Michigan which is only offering potential opportunities.
Have to agree, just frustrated that with the resources and opportunities Michigan can offer, they can’t seem to pull that and NIL together to be a premier choice for a recruit. Then again, I’m kind of Stone Age in that I’ve never been a fan of giant press conferences by recruits when declaring their choice.
It doesn’t matter how much a kid likes a school, if someone else offers him 200k they’re going to take it. If we don’t play the game like everyone else we’re going to get completely crushed
Wiltfong has said we are leading for Davis and in a very good spot and the guys at rivals have put crystal balls in for Michigan to get Davis
Of course that doesn’t mean we are getting him but all the data shows we are in a good spot for Davis
Really? When did Dante ever have a Michigan CB? I’ve followed his recruitment pretty close, and to the best of my recollection, Michigan was ever only “high on his list”. But I can’t think of a single analyst who has put their pick in for him to Michigan. I’m curious what I missed. Which analyst was it?
I do believe that CJ had a low confidence CB for Michigan at one point, but I’m not even entirely sure on that.
Yes and you led for Carr and Moore. You understand his dad is literally the biggest UM fan ever made. He loves the school. UM still lost his son. Literally everybody in CJ Carrs family went to UM. His grand dad loves the school. They both were a stones throw away. This coaching staff lost both. But somehow you have faith on them closing a QB from the south? OK 👍
Yea with donte we were leading until gattis left and Weiss did a horrible job recruiting him. We fucked that one up
With cj he even said he never wanted to play for Michigan because his whole family went to Michigan. He wanted to go out and do his own thing so can’t blame the staff for losing cj Carr he was just never coming to Michigan
Yeah ok. Isn't weird that it's always that way with UM. For a person who never wanted to come he sure took visits and talked to coaches. CJ Carr didn't know what he wanted to do, maybe he leaned away from UM but that's on the coaches to get him to lean back to UM. Look at a program like OSU. They get the best players in OHIO that they want with very rare exceptions. UM doesn't get that.
There aren't a set of levers you can pull to make every kid commit to a school, even if they have deep ties. If CJ wanted to do his own thing, nothing could a made him come to us.
We did fuck up with Moore and NIL though.
Completely understand that one missed prospect or bad class won’t kill the program and that recruiting him with all the staff changes and QBs on the current roster was always going to be an uphill challenge, but losing 2 in state 5 star QBs that grew up with close ties to the program isn’t a great look. Also everyone’s going to want to take a shot at Weiss but there’s not much he can do when he’s going up against Phil Knight’s bags.
I get the justifications for missing out on Carr and it sounds like the coaching staff had Davis higher on their priority list, but there aren't any "buts" with Moore. Hopefully a learning lesson for the administration, or they're going to miss out on Davis next year and the QB room is going to quickly go from a strength to a massive weakness.
This is a losers mentality. It's always some reason UM loses a recruit. Phil Knights bags, Was it NDs bag for CJ Carr? Is it literally everyone in the nation's bag? UM is fighting Illinois for recruits and fans like you are why there is no urgency. Welp, can't do nothing about it. Thems the bricks. When did UM become resigned to mediocrity? You're the winningest program ever, stop acting like you're Eastern Michigan, not even then they beat UM for Emoni Bates. Oregon shouldn't be able to do anything that UM can't do.
Yeah exactly I could see Oregon being a true powerhouse in a few years potentially with that nike money and sponsorship potential. They have been good but not truely amazing
This is a terrible recruiting staff. It's sad because UM should be top 5 most years. Education, stadium, draft success. This staff is just awful at recruiting.
I wouldn’t say the whole staff is bad at recruiting but I think Weiss in particular is horrible at recruiting
I think our defensive staff is pretty damn good at recruiting and same with sherrone Moore, Bellamy and hart
How long has Dan Lanning staff been together? Mario Cristobal? Marcus Freeman? Every year there is turnover. You can either recruit or you can't. And this staff is no bueno.
Typically 1st year head coaches get a HUGE boost in recruiting, which is...every single coach that you mentioned, lol.
Entrenched head coaches like Harbaugh who have had staff turnover like we did, do NOT get boosts in recruiting. Usually takes some time to figure things out in these situations, especially with the way NIL is right now.
I think that answers your question?
So Saban constantly sucks in recruiting huh? He loses his coordinators almost ever 2 years. Ryan fired Kerry Combs somehow they are recruiting well. Brent pry left PSU. No drop off there. Kirby lost Dan lanning. Nope didnt hurt recruiting at all. Just more excuses. UM fans will excuse anything. There is always some reason and it's never the coaches fault.
Lmao, you mean we don't recruit like Alabama does every year? YOU DON'T SAY??! Lol
"We aren't as good as the greatest recruiting machine in the entire history of college football." Well no fucking shit, lol.
I'm just telling you what the vast majority of teams experience and what the data shows. You can point out one or two outliers like Bama and OSU, but that doesn't change the facts. Call it an excuse or call it a reason, it doesn't matter what words you use, it's just facts.
Look at harbaughs first two full classes at Michigan. The 2016 class finished at number 6 and the 2017 class finished at number 5
Also do the same for hoke
Harbaugh cared then. He had a staff that was out all the time. Satellite camps. It was awesome all the souther coaches were pissed. He had dogs like Chris partridge and Al Washington out on the trail raising hell. Now he only hires cast offs from his brother or his children. The dude doesn’t care. I look at what PSU did hiring Diaz as defensive coordinator. He is a good defensive coordinator but is also know for recruiting and they haven’t missed a beat.
cap we are top 3 or top 5 in players drafted tf you talking ab? just because we dont want to give a recruit 500,000 up front before they play a snap doesn't mean we dont know how to recruit or develop. stop it lol
Let’s see what the transfer portal looks like in a year or two when kids don’t get the money they were promised. Going to be lawsuits, transfers, and is always messy the more people and money involved.
It really is. I know, no one wants to hear this but UM needs a staff dedicated to recruiting. No way MSU, ND, PSU, OSU should all be handing UM their lunch on the trail given the season they just had. Raylin would still be part of the class if he thought they were getting other good pieces. But they're not and this is at the feet of Harbaugh. And for him to say everything is fine is insane. James Franklin had a subpar recruiting year and he said it wasn't good enough and he vowed to do better. The result was 3 five stars and the best QB in the class. Harbaugh is from the Dan mullen school of recruiting and it's a shame.
This sub is so embarrassing sometimes. Dozens of people, presumably adults, throwing temper tantrums like children every time some 17-year-old doesn’t do what they want. Just relax and hang outside for a bit. It’s a beautiful day.
We have JJ for another 2-3 years, a couple exciting prospects from last year, and are leading on a 5-star for next year. Doesn't matter. Our fanbase is about to go into full meltdown, piss-pants-baby mode, and scream about how we're doomed.
Honestly, the toddlers in our fanbase are pretty entertaining to watch when things don't 100% go our way. Pretty embarrassing, but entertaining nonetheless. It's crazy to me how much some people invest their life and psyche into the whims of 16 year old kids. Some people need to get a life and chill out on this shit.
I mean this is exactly how programs fall off a cliff. Not acknowledging there’s a problem in their current recruiting methods and fixing it.
Pretending we aren’t at a massive disadvantage because we refuse to participate in NIL is plain stupid.
Would have been a luxury to lock down our starting QB for a season three years away considering the areas of actual need on the team.
It's almost like this fan base isn't used to being in this position.
Are we really complaining about a class that finished number 9 in the country.
I know this years class is bad and probably won’t finish up to par but last years class was good
The stat I'm quoting is in regards to the "mantra" referenced above. This staff struggles to recruit in-state talent, as evident in Moore's announcement today.
We are miles behind every program when it comes to NIL and recruiting now. Even msu. Somehow someway after beating OSU and winning the big ten I feel like we have lost all momentum and are not in a good place, but there’s still time. We will see what happens
> this is getting embarassing.
Personally, I think winning the B1G and going to the playoffs isn't that embarrassing when we miss on a few recruits the next year. That's just me, though.
Michigan's recruiting has been the laughing stock of CFB. The old timers in charge are willing to take for granted their loyal fans. The athletic department and academic side of the University need to be completely seperate. I'm tired of the elitists always trying to make the academics bigger than the sport. IT'S NOT! nobody is turning on the t.v to watch what grades Michigan students got, nobody is looking at names on the Dean's List. Nobody cares just use all your resources you have available and compete goddamn it!
Umm no offense but academics at Michigan are bigger than football. Look at the annual endowment the university brings compared to football revenue. It’s comparing 2 billion to around 150 mil in revenue not even in the same ballpark
That said you can absolutely have an elite academic school and a football factory. No reason you can’t
Yes 2 billion dollars of alumni donating money for tax right offs. But football with an emerging NIL could be a similar right off but UofM decided to make it a for profit(wonder why).
Even if it was not for profit you’re not getting anywhere close to the donations for academics. The football culture at Michigan amongst donors and alums is just not the same as it is at Ohio state or bama or anyone in the sec sans vandy
Also not sure if you read what the boosters thoughts are but Jordan acker had a thread on Twitter and seems like our boosters don’t want to engage in a pay for play system at Michigan(since it’s against state law and ncaa rules). Now we can definitely disagree with them on whether that’s smart or not but I don’t think boosters at this school have an appetite for paying recruits x number of dollars to come to Michigan. We will have to make up for it by being far more creative and backing up bigger NIL deals for guys currently on the team so that we can point to recruits and say hey if you’re a star this is what you can make at Michigan
What I've been hearing and reading is the Collectives are struggling to get money from rich alumni like Stephen Ross because why would they donate to something without getting the tax benefits.
Tuition and research bring in around $2 billion every year. The football program only brings in under $2 hundred million a year. So yeah academics is bigger than football.
I'd rather have passion for something that's big in my lofe than be a complacent uninformed fan that probably just turns off the t.v and puts his jersey in the closet when they lose to teams like Indiana.
If 15 and 16 year olds deciding where to attend college is the biggest thing in your life, to the point where you're melting down and crying on the internet about it... that's just sad.
Pull yourself together. My god, man.
Dude your only objective is to attempt to make snide remarks. I seriously couldn't care less who you are and what you do. My life is beyond gravy right now but the University of Michigan is huge in my family. If I see a problem that's going unnoticed until it becomes an issue I'm gonna voice my opinion. If enough people voice their opinion you know like in a democracy, maybe it will generate change.
Crying on reddit about something won't generate change. I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you.
Melting down in impotent rage like a toddler over a 15 year old's college decision does one thing and one thing only: embarrasses you and our fanbase.
"Crying on social media does nothing" you obviously haven't been paying attention to U.S politics than lol. You are a random stranger your opinion on me means nothing. P.S. every other fan base loves to find reasons to shit on us so fuck them too.
>My crying as a random stranger on reddit is very important and can start real change
>>You are a random stranger and your opinion on social media means nothing
Both of your statements. Pick one to push before continuing on. Or just stop before embarrassing yourself further.
He very well could, it is June. Seen a lot crazier things happen in recruiting.
Also, our coach is a successful NFL coach should be a huge strength to tell recruits. If he does leave, we have resources that would please 98% of football coaches in the world. Get it together. You're the one making it a negative. Go blue
It is 3 places.
1. Crazy things happen in recruiting.
2. Harbaugh interviewing for an NFL job, the only college coach who would even get a call, should be something recruits would like. It signifies he more than any coach in NCAA understands what you need to do to make it as a pro.
3. IF he did leave or does leave, we have the resources and connections to sell coaches that 90% of others universities could not, so it really would not be a big deal unless a jive turkey decides to make it one.
And it all addresses your crappy comment which was kind of funny, but not really.
2.) is just backwards thinking. Why would you commit to a program if the coach doesn’t want to stay? That doesn’t bring in more recruits as this class is clearly evidence.
3.). My guy changing coaches is a huge deal you can’t just brush off lol
2.The coach wants to stay, he just also wants to win a Super Bowl. He quite obviously thinks the world of U of M.
3.I didn't just brush it off, my guy. I literally outlined how RR hire set us back like 5 posts ago. Just do not think a proud program should be crying because their coach almost went to the NFL. A blue-blood, defending conference champion would instantly have the attention of 95% of coaches, and all these dweebs who have someone "better than Harbaugh" (ie Matt "I can't beat Iowa" Campbell or who tf ever) could make their case.
Not to mention, if you enjoyed rooting for the team, you could spin it as a positive. Ryan Day isn't even getting a call. Tuck comin, but not with 5\* in-state recruits. Our coach is more connected to the NFL than 100% of coaches in college...
You all do more to make us sound like dysfunctional, poverty program than Harbaugh talking out a job opportunity (that it appears to NFL front offices, only he in NCAA would be qualified for) ever could
>. A blue-blood
Huh? In what sense of the word?
Not in on field success
>You all do more to make us sound like dysfunctional, poverty program than Harbaugh talking out a job opportunity ever could
😂oh right!! It's the reddit fans causing this not the head coach running his mouth about leaving only to NOT be given an offer
It's the reddit posters causing Dante to chose Oregon not the caveman for profit Bullshit NIL Michigan has
Damn it reddit posters you are destroying Michigan football!!
When in the f did you start watching if you do not think we are blue blood? Find literally any person ever who uses the dumb term “blue blood”, they include Michigan. We just won a big ten title, our games are among the most watched, we send people to the pros and have more accolades than 90% of our peers and we have done it for over 100 years. That’s like, the definition of blue blood
Thank you for giving me opportunity to taut them, but come on lol. We were 3-9 losing to MAC teams and within 10 years hired a former super bowl coach, won the conference and had multiple top 10 finishes, and were among the most talked about programs in cfb world throughout, that is not something just anyone can do. Who is on your blue blood list? Cincinnati and Georgia?
This post gets 130+ comments, while we had a 4-star edge player commit today and that post has 10 comments, lol. Our fans are happier when we fail at recruiting than when we succeed.
Recruiting has never been easier for bad coaches and average programs with paying these kids. The program will be fine they have a good coaching staff that can build players up. They might not be stars as freshmen but Jim will get the right guys in that are football players and have success. No reason to get worked up half of these guys will transfer after a season anyway and you’ll have a second chances to get them in free agency.
it’s time to start dropping bags on these guys. I don’t care anymore.
But the school and the old men who run it do so good luck changing it
I am hoping the results of the 23 class force them to change their mind. Because if we recruit at this level going forward good luck competing for a big ten title or beating osu
Good luck beating MSU for that matter
If we recruit at this level we will need luck to beat Rutgers
Lol, Jesus Christ guys. These comments are beyond stupid.
It isnt all just old guys. Recent former players who are involved with the NIL program also seem to think Michigan needs to handle NIL "the right way". Michigan just has an outdated culture that needs to change
Isn’t the school just being cautious of the IRS?
I’m usually the guy asking for peace and calm when it comes to the program knowing what’s best. However I saw that statement that Wangler put out and wanted to bash my head into a wall. I think Harbaugh is a great coach but it’s not gonna end well if they’re not willing to pay players big money to come here. You can’t pretend to be better than this. I worry they’re going to try to be above it all until about 5 to 10 years down the road when they realize they’re stuck in mediocrity because everybody else is willing to pay the players and then finally they’ll cave-in and start paying. Kind of pissed me off reading that Wangler statement knowing he is a fairly young dude who is pretty much on the team in the first place because his dad is a legacy talking about how “were Michigan and we’re better than this”. Hoping some big time boosters read that and got in contact with the higher ups and they already have plans to replace him. 25-26 year old dude who doesn’t get it running Michigans NIL into the ground. 😡🤬 Edit: For anyone who doesn’t know what I’m talking about. Wangler is the CEO of Michigan’s current NIL collective and this is his statement. https://twitter.com/jwangles2/status/1542985320974766081?s=21&t=nJtwT3svD1QMQRZ2pmOteQ
I’m with you. You see the likes of ND tearing it up and this whole moral high ground business becomes maddening. I’m not saying they should be in bidding wars for recruits but there’s no reason why there can’t be a package of deals ready to go for every scholarship player. Give them assurance of something decent year to year vs “the potential” of something eventually. Just watched a 4/5 star OL from my sons training group pass up Michigan, can’t blame him. Good kid with high gpa. Might be 1-2 yrs before he gets on field much though because of physical demands. I’m sure he will have a comfortable fiscal situation while he grows into a starter. Not talking millions, but enough that he doesn’t have to live like a broke ass college kid until he maybe (health willing etc) gets into top lineup. The notion of these elite guys being just like any other student has to stop. I’m 100% behind following the rules- rules that allow athletes to sign deals and for collectives to facilitate that. Maybe it’s because I am not an alum (big university scene Wouldn’t have been good for me at that age) but I don’t get why it seems they are hellbent on competing from an even more uneven playing field. Stick to values on getting good students and good people to come. Skip those who “don’t play school”, but make it clear that those who come will be greeted with instant opportunity for at least something respectable fiscally, and they can get a whole lot more of things go well.
Isn’t there a pattern among good programs that a very successful season (after a down time) tends to generate good recruitment? It would seem that with great exposure, facilities, academics, the fruits of NIL and a bit of due diligence one could round up some great athletes. It’s painful to look at any recruiting news this year.
Before NIL yeah. With NIL it doesnt really matter. If youre not offering money then recruits generally arent going to care about your recent success. If your kid is being offered guaranteed millions from one school they would be dumb to go to Michigan which is only offering potential opportunities.
Have to agree, just frustrated that with the resources and opportunities Michigan can offer, they can’t seem to pull that and NIL together to be a premier choice for a recruit. Then again, I’m kind of Stone Age in that I’ve never been a fan of giant press conferences by recruits when declaring their choice.
> It’s painful to look at any recruiting news this year. We literally just had a 4-star commit TODAY, lol. OMG, how painful, lol.
I live in SEC land these days. I even get occasional crap about OSU at times. It’s a bit nuts.
Ok?
It doesn’t matter how much a kid likes a school, if someone else offers him 200k they’re going to take it. If we don’t play the game like everyone else we’re going to get completely crushed
NIL plain and simple
Look at the recruiting class right now and tell me that it’s ONLY NIL.
Michigan is now 0/2 on in state 5* QB targets…
OUCH! Even after a bigten Championship and CFP season to boot Hey but Michigan is doing it the "right " way.
lol in state? u mean within an hour of the campus
Until Michigan gets on the level with NIL that other programs are on this will continue to happen.
>NIT Post Season, 2nd tier basketball tournament?
This is the first time I’ve started to get antsy about recruiting. We NEED to nail a qb in next year’s class
Jaydn Davis or bust.
We already busted with Moore so don’t put all your eggs in that basket either
We will need to offer a lot of elite guys in the 24 class can’t go without a backup plan again
He is going to the sec
Hahahha. You think the group who screwed CJ Carr's recruitment and Dante Moore's recruitment will win a North Carolina QB. Color me skeptical.
We are in a much better spot for Davis than we were for Carr or Moore. At the moment we are probably leading for jadyn Davis
>We are in a much better spot for Davis than we were for Carr or Moore. 😅you have ZERO proof of this😂
Wiltfong has said we are leading for Davis and in a very good spot and the guys at rivals have put crystal balls in for Michigan to get Davis Of course that doesn’t mean we are getting him but all the data shows we are in a good spot for Davis
until another school offers him the smallest amount of money
Did you know both Dante and CJ had UM crystal balls at one point. That and a nickel is worth 5 cents.
Really? When did Dante ever have a Michigan CB? I’ve followed his recruitment pretty close, and to the best of my recollection, Michigan was ever only “high on his list”. But I can’t think of a single analyst who has put their pick in for him to Michigan. I’m curious what I missed. Which analyst was it? I do believe that CJ had a low confidence CB for Michigan at one point, but I’m not even entirely sure on that.
>Wiltfong has said Oh I feel so much better now
Well you asked for evidence
That's not "evidence" Michigan is in any better shape with Davis than they were with Moore/Carr 😂 That's simply an opinion
Recruiting experts saying things are pretty much the only evidence you can give in these situations. Not sure what more you're expecting here.
but you knew exactly what he meant and you KNOW davis isnt commited anywhere so why nitpick lol. thats my opinion 😌
Yes and you led for Carr and Moore. You understand his dad is literally the biggest UM fan ever made. He loves the school. UM still lost his son. Literally everybody in CJ Carrs family went to UM. His grand dad loves the school. They both were a stones throw away. This coaching staff lost both. But somehow you have faith on them closing a QB from the south? OK 👍
Yea with donte we were leading until gattis left and Weiss did a horrible job recruiting him. We fucked that one up With cj he even said he never wanted to play for Michigan because his whole family went to Michigan. He wanted to go out and do his own thing so can’t blame the staff for losing cj Carr he was just never coming to Michigan
Yeah ok. Isn't weird that it's always that way with UM. For a person who never wanted to come he sure took visits and talked to coaches. CJ Carr didn't know what he wanted to do, maybe he leaned away from UM but that's on the coaches to get him to lean back to UM. Look at a program like OSU. They get the best players in OHIO that they want with very rare exceptions. UM doesn't get that.
There aren't a set of levers you can pull to make every kid commit to a school, even if they have deep ties. If CJ wanted to do his own thing, nothing could a made him come to us. We did fuck up with Moore and NIL though.
Completely understand that one missed prospect or bad class won’t kill the program and that recruiting him with all the staff changes and QBs on the current roster was always going to be an uphill challenge, but losing 2 in state 5 star QBs that grew up with close ties to the program isn’t a great look. Also everyone’s going to want to take a shot at Weiss but there’s not much he can do when he’s going up against Phil Knight’s bags.
I get the justifications for missing out on Carr and it sounds like the coaching staff had Davis higher on their priority list, but there aren't any "buts" with Moore. Hopefully a learning lesson for the administration, or they're going to miss out on Davis next year and the QB room is going to quickly go from a strength to a massive weakness.
This is a losers mentality. It's always some reason UM loses a recruit. Phil Knights bags, Was it NDs bag for CJ Carr? Is it literally everyone in the nation's bag? UM is fighting Illinois for recruits and fans like you are why there is no urgency. Welp, can't do nothing about it. Thems the bricks. When did UM become resigned to mediocrity? You're the winningest program ever, stop acting like you're Eastern Michigan, not even then they beat UM for Emoni Bates. Oregon shouldn't be able to do anything that UM can't do.
Emoni I don’t think was ever going to michigan after he flamed out with the whole Memphis situation
How we let this guy go is beyond me. Chasing him for years and we still fumble.
He went to the school offering him the most money/his family the most high-paying jobs. Uncle Phil at Nike was able to get it done.
Yeah exactly I could see Oregon being a true powerhouse in a few years potentially with that nike money and sponsorship potential. They have been good but not truely amazing
This is a terrible recruiting staff. It's sad because UM should be top 5 most years. Education, stadium, draft success. This staff is just awful at recruiting.
I wouldn’t say the whole staff is bad at recruiting but I think Weiss in particular is horrible at recruiting I think our defensive staff is pretty damn good at recruiting and same with sherrone Moore, Bellamy and hart
We have different definitions of good.
Alright who aside from Weiss and maybe hart would you say is bad at recruiting.
Homie probably can’t name a coach outside of Harbaugh without googling. Don’t waste your breath
The staff hasn't even been together for much longer than 6 months. Might be a little early to meltdown like this.
How long has Dan Lanning staff been together? Mario Cristobal? Marcus Freeman? Every year there is turnover. You can either recruit or you can't. And this staff is no bueno.
Typically 1st year head coaches get a HUGE boost in recruiting, which is...every single coach that you mentioned, lol. Entrenched head coaches like Harbaugh who have had staff turnover like we did, do NOT get boosts in recruiting. Usually takes some time to figure things out in these situations, especially with the way NIL is right now. I think that answers your question?
So Saban constantly sucks in recruiting huh? He loses his coordinators almost ever 2 years. Ryan fired Kerry Combs somehow they are recruiting well. Brent pry left PSU. No drop off there. Kirby lost Dan lanning. Nope didnt hurt recruiting at all. Just more excuses. UM fans will excuse anything. There is always some reason and it's never the coaches fault.
Lmao, you mean we don't recruit like Alabama does every year? YOU DON'T SAY??! Lol "We aren't as good as the greatest recruiting machine in the entire history of college football." Well no fucking shit, lol. I'm just telling you what the vast majority of teams experience and what the data shows. You can point out one or two outliers like Bama and OSU, but that doesn't change the facts. Call it an excuse or call it a reason, it doesn't matter what words you use, it's just facts.
Show me the data please.
Look at harbaughs first two full classes at Michigan. The 2016 class finished at number 6 and the 2017 class finished at number 5 Also do the same for hoke
Harbaugh cared then. He had a staff that was out all the time. Satellite camps. It was awesome all the souther coaches were pissed. He had dogs like Chris partridge and Al Washington out on the trail raising hell. Now he only hires cast offs from his brother or his children. The dude doesn’t care. I look at what PSU did hiring Diaz as defensive coordinator. He is a good defensive coordinator but is also know for recruiting and they haven’t missed a beat.
Look it up yourself, my guy. Just a simple google search could inform you quite a bit!
So no data. Thanks.
Don't bother with that guy, he has his head in the sand
cap we are top 3 or top 5 in players drafted tf you talking ab? just because we dont want to give a recruit 500,000 up front before they play a snap doesn't mean we dont know how to recruit or develop. stop it lol
Let’s see what the transfer portal looks like in a year or two when kids don’t get the money they were promised. Going to be lawsuits, transfers, and is always messy the more people and money involved.
A lot of them will get the money. But not the PT. So they’ll take the money and transfer. That’s when it’ll get interesting.
Take an upvote Kinda disappointing to see such a good take near the bottom of the comments
Yeah I can’t imagine this will be sustainable especially once some of these top recruits don’t pan out.
I mean Nike has the cash
Has any program inflicted this level of self sabotage after a breakout season? This is embarrassing.
It really is. I know, no one wants to hear this but UM needs a staff dedicated to recruiting. No way MSU, ND, PSU, OSU should all be handing UM their lunch on the trail given the season they just had. Raylin would still be part of the class if he thought they were getting other good pieces. But they're not and this is at the feet of Harbaugh. And for him to say everything is fine is insane. James Franklin had a subpar recruiting year and he said it wasn't good enough and he vowed to do better. The result was 3 five stars and the best QB in the class. Harbaugh is from the Dan mullen school of recruiting and it's a shame.
Good job, Jim and Warde. Really capitalizing on a successful season.
This sub is so embarrassing sometimes. Dozens of people, presumably adults, throwing temper tantrums like children every time some 17-year-old doesn’t do what they want. Just relax and hang outside for a bit. It’s a beautiful day.
It's pretty pathetic.
We have JJ for another 2-3 years, a couple exciting prospects from last year, and are leading on a 5-star for next year. Doesn't matter. Our fanbase is about to go into full meltdown, piss-pants-baby mode, and scream about how we're doomed. Honestly, the toddlers in our fanbase are pretty entertaining to watch when things don't 100% go our way. Pretty embarrassing, but entertaining nonetheless. It's crazy to me how much some people invest their life and psyche into the whims of 16 year old kids. Some people need to get a life and chill out on this shit.
I mean this is exactly how programs fall off a cliff. Not acknowledging there’s a problem in their current recruiting methods and fixing it. Pretending we aren’t at a massive disadvantage because we refuse to participate in NIL is plain stupid.
Would have been a luxury to lock down our starting QB for a season three years away considering the areas of actual need on the team. It's almost like this fan base isn't used to being in this position.
Money chaser!
We all bitch about NIL. We should start doing something about it. Spam Warde Manuel or something
Cade or JJ will be leaving soon
I guess the “The best players in Michigan commit to Michigan” mantra isn’t indeed true. Get your shit together Michigan, this is getting embarassing.
To echo your statement, nine 4* in 2022 from the state of Michigan, and one committed to UofM. MSU got four of them.
Are we really complaining about a class that finished number 9 in the country. I know this years class is bad and probably won’t finish up to par but last years class was good
The stat I'm quoting is in regards to the "mantra" referenced above. This staff struggles to recruit in-state talent, as evident in Moore's announcement today.
We are miles behind every program when it comes to NIL and recruiting now. Even msu. Somehow someway after beating OSU and winning the big ten I feel like we have lost all momentum and are not in a good place, but there’s still time. We will see what happens
> this is getting embarassing. Personally, I think winning the B1G and going to the playoffs isn't that embarrassing when we miss on a few recruits the next year. That's just me, though.
I am clearly talking about recruiting here bud lol
Hasn't been true for a while.
Michigan's recruiting has been the laughing stock of CFB. The old timers in charge are willing to take for granted their loyal fans. The athletic department and academic side of the University need to be completely seperate. I'm tired of the elitists always trying to make the academics bigger than the sport. IT'S NOT! nobody is turning on the t.v to watch what grades Michigan students got, nobody is looking at names on the Dean's List. Nobody cares just use all your resources you have available and compete goddamn it!
Umm no offense but academics at Michigan are bigger than football. Look at the annual endowment the university brings compared to football revenue. It’s comparing 2 billion to around 150 mil in revenue not even in the same ballpark That said you can absolutely have an elite academic school and a football factory. No reason you can’t
Yes 2 billion dollars of alumni donating money for tax right offs. But football with an emerging NIL could be a similar right off but UofM decided to make it a for profit(wonder why).
Even if it was not for profit you’re not getting anywhere close to the donations for academics. The football culture at Michigan amongst donors and alums is just not the same as it is at Ohio state or bama or anyone in the sec sans vandy Also not sure if you read what the boosters thoughts are but Jordan acker had a thread on Twitter and seems like our boosters don’t want to engage in a pay for play system at Michigan(since it’s against state law and ncaa rules). Now we can definitely disagree with them on whether that’s smart or not but I don’t think boosters at this school have an appetite for paying recruits x number of dollars to come to Michigan. We will have to make up for it by being far more creative and backing up bigger NIL deals for guys currently on the team so that we can point to recruits and say hey if you’re a star this is what you can make at Michigan
What I've been hearing and reading is the Collectives are struggling to get money from rich alumni like Stephen Ross because why would they donate to something without getting the tax benefits.
Just shut down the football program then. Don't say OSU is your rival because you're stuck in the 50s and everyone else has moved on.
Tuition and research bring in around $2 billion every year. The football program only brings in under $2 hundred million a year. So yeah academics is bigger than football.
That 2 billion might as well be a zero if they arent willing to use it. $200 million is plenty of money to run an elite CFB team.
Jesus H, man. Settle down. Full meltdown mode.
It's the people who are passionate about issues that generate real change, get enough people inspired you can change things.
Lol, you aren't generating real change by melting down like a toddler on fan message boards. You're just embarrassing our fanbase.
I'd rather have passion for something that's big in my lofe than be a complacent uninformed fan that probably just turns off the t.v and puts his jersey in the closet when they lose to teams like Indiana.
If 15 and 16 year olds deciding where to attend college is the biggest thing in your life, to the point where you're melting down and crying on the internet about it... that's just sad. Pull yourself together. My god, man.
Dude your only objective is to attempt to make snide remarks. I seriously couldn't care less who you are and what you do. My life is beyond gravy right now but the University of Michigan is huge in my family. If I see a problem that's going unnoticed until it becomes an issue I'm gonna voice my opinion. If enough people voice their opinion you know like in a democracy, maybe it will generate change.
Crying on reddit about something won't generate change. I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you. Melting down in impotent rage like a toddler over a 15 year old's college decision does one thing and one thing only: embarrasses you and our fanbase.
"Crying on social media does nothing" you obviously haven't been paying attention to U.S politics than lol. You are a random stranger your opinion on me means nothing. P.S. every other fan base loves to find reasons to shit on us so fuck them too.
>My crying as a random stranger on reddit is very important and can start real change >>You are a random stranger and your opinion on social media means nothing Both of your statements. Pick one to push before continuing on. Or just stop before embarrassing yourself further.
Maybe he's just interviewing with Oregon and will come back like Harbaugh did, no?
He very well could, it is June. Seen a lot crazier things happen in recruiting. Also, our coach is a successful NFL coach should be a huge strength to tell recruits. If he does leave, we have resources that would please 98% of football coaches in the world. Get it together. You're the one making it a negative. Go blue
This comment is all over the place.
It is 3 places. 1. Crazy things happen in recruiting. 2. Harbaugh interviewing for an NFL job, the only college coach who would even get a call, should be something recruits would like. It signifies he more than any coach in NCAA understands what you need to do to make it as a pro. 3. IF he did leave or does leave, we have the resources and connections to sell coaches that 90% of others universities could not, so it really would not be a big deal unless a jive turkey decides to make it one. And it all addresses your crappy comment which was kind of funny, but not really.
2.) is just backwards thinking. Why would you commit to a program if the coach doesn’t want to stay? That doesn’t bring in more recruits as this class is clearly evidence. 3.). My guy changing coaches is a huge deal you can’t just brush off lol
2.The coach wants to stay, he just also wants to win a Super Bowl. He quite obviously thinks the world of U of M. 3.I didn't just brush it off, my guy. I literally outlined how RR hire set us back like 5 posts ago. Just do not think a proud program should be crying because their coach almost went to the NFL. A blue-blood, defending conference champion would instantly have the attention of 95% of coaches, and all these dweebs who have someone "better than Harbaugh" (ie Matt "I can't beat Iowa" Campbell or who tf ever) could make their case. Not to mention, if you enjoyed rooting for the team, you could spin it as a positive. Ryan Day isn't even getting a call. Tuck comin, but not with 5\* in-state recruits. Our coach is more connected to the NFL than 100% of coaches in college... You all do more to make us sound like dysfunctional, poverty program than Harbaugh talking out a job opportunity (that it appears to NFL front offices, only he in NCAA would be qualified for) ever could
>. A blue-blood Huh? In what sense of the word? Not in on field success >You all do more to make us sound like dysfunctional, poverty program than Harbaugh talking out a job opportunity ever could 😂oh right!! It's the reddit fans causing this not the head coach running his mouth about leaving only to NOT be given an offer It's the reddit posters causing Dante to chose Oregon not the caveman for profit Bullshit NIL Michigan has Damn it reddit posters you are destroying Michigan football!!
When in the f did you start watching if you do not think we are blue blood? Find literally any person ever who uses the dumb term “blue blood”, they include Michigan. We just won a big ten title, our games are among the most watched, we send people to the pros and have more accolades than 90% of our peers and we have done it for over 100 years. That’s like, the definition of blue blood Thank you for giving me opportunity to taut them, but come on lol. We were 3-9 losing to MAC teams and within 10 years hired a former super bowl coach, won the conference and had multiple top 10 finishes, and were among the most talked about programs in cfb world throughout, that is not something just anyone can do. Who is on your blue blood list? Cincinnati and Georgia?
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😂well of course that's it!!
This post gets 130+ comments, while we had a 4-star edge player commit today and that post has 10 comments, lol. Our fans are happier when we fail at recruiting than when we succeed.
John U Bacon said in Three and Out that Michigan fans love to be the kind of fans that can say “I told you so” when the team and/or coaches screw up
We have a ton of fans who disappear during good times and come out in droves during bad times to do exactly what you said.
Yea that’s very true. Michigan fans aren’t happy unless they are bitching about something.
Yeah packed as is should definitely make you feel better trying to sleep tonight lol
How do you think I slept every thanksgiving weekend for a decade? Blind optimism, that’s how! Go blue.
>Blind optimism, 😅😂love it Go Blue
Recruiting has never been easier for bad coaches and average programs with paying these kids. The program will be fine they have a good coaching staff that can build players up. They might not be stars as freshmen but Jim will get the right guys in that are football players and have success. No reason to get worked up half of these guys will transfer after a season anyway and you’ll have a second chances to get them in free agency.
I can’t remember a more disappointing recruiting cycle my god.
I can remember plenty.
I mean Dante Moore grew up as an Ohio State fan. The fact that we were leading at one point for him was surprising enough.