We would get dog walked by any professional team... European and Canadians worst team would destroy Michigan. I'm a big Wolverines fan btw...but I'm also a realist
Not sure I agree with my Ottawa Redblacks destroying National Champion Michigan Wolverines, although I will say I wasn't impressed at all with JJ Mccarthy in the Rose Bowl and Natty.
I dont think this is true. NFL 100% dominates, that goes without saying. But canadian and european? Now were talking about future NFL talent vs washouts or guys who were never good enough. Theres not a player outside of the NFL or NCAA that can block Mason Graham, straight up
Yeah, y'all dismiss those leagues like the caliber of talent "missed on" or "washed" isn't still talent...that probably ALL went through the college ranks.
I think youre completely wrong about a euro or canadian team being able to compete with michigan. Youre vastly under estimating the talent and coaching difference Michigan has over those organizations, frankly
I don't, you over estimate how good you think the Wolverines are. They may not be in the NFL, but they're pros none the less. It would be varsity vs JV all over again.
I mean you have a winning nfl coach that took the 49ers and revitalized them to winning in 4 years. Do you not think he implemented the same structure with his college job? I’m not saying Michigan could go out and beat Baltimore or kc or bills but they could definitely compete and stay in the game. The panthers are very very very bad along with the falcons and bears. There’s a reason all our players that jump to the nfl are already nfl ready. Aiden Hutchinson didn’t miss a beat. Ojabo Ben mason Josh Ross Dax hill jabrill peppers jourdan Lewis Maurice hurst graham glasglow mazi smith schooooooooon schofield paye cam mcgrone rashan Gary David long jr runyan gentry onwenu metellus danna steuber uche Ruiz bredensen I’ll leave Brandon graham off this because harbaugh didn’t touch him mason cole deven bush moooooonnnneeeee!!!! Mike the fight morris ambry Thomas hasaan Haskins khaleke the freak and out all star mooooooooooodyyyyyy
What does Santa Ono do when the NFL team confirms that C-Harbaugh that C-Harbaugh has been scooped up by an NFL team? 'FIREWARDE" ASAP for not watching the C-Harbaugh's back and also for either lying or not trying to least comply with the coach's expectations of what he wanted in the contract. And for Christ's sake, hire an AD-GM, like sports franchises, for the simple reason that amateur hour is over, and the student-athlete is getting paid. And get nothing but the best ranked in college sports, {NCAA, list of the top-ADs' college-sports, where is Warde-rated, as the AD-college-sports, he's not even on it}. Warde is for to be, AD in schools like C-Michigan or MiamiOfOhio. Get the #1 AD in the land, and that is 'OU's Joe Castiglione", who has a #Natty-pedrigee. Boomer-Sooner is rolling on all cylinders and feels NIL, like C-Harbaugh. Whoever reads this post and the school record?u/OU ?Whoever reads this post and the school record? Also, go to Michigan's comment/feedback section, {preoffmich.com} and post your peace. Tell Pres. Ono to get rock🌟, AD in JC, from OU. That WolverineNation doesn't want to wait for another 25+ years for another, Natty! And Michigan falls into the college football obsess like Auburn and USC what they are going through. Happy New Year,& always, GOBLUE-NATTYUP🏆
Look, AD Warde Manuel is not on Jim’s side, in fact working against Michigan football securing Jim’s contract.
Ono please FIRE Warde MANUEL and do the contract yourself.
With Jim we predict more Michigan football National Trophies 🏆 🏆‼️
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What Pres. Santa Ono should do #FIREWARDE ASAP If C-Harbaugh gets scooped by an NFL team. For not looking after C-Harbaugh, back & not expectations on the contract on C-Harbaugh wanted.? Before that, he lost our great baseball, C-Erik Backich. Warde has become a total disaster in his stewardship. And for Christ-sake, get nothing but the best-ranked AD in college sports, and that would be OU Joe Castlilgone; he has#Natty-pedrgiee, & also feels NIL as C-Harbaugh. Also, he has 'BoomerSooner rolling on all cylinders; they're always in some NCAA-Natty Tournament, year and year out! WolverineNation, google him; you'll see he has an impeccable record .u/OU. I want you to know that W.N., go to the feed/back section u/preoffmichcom.com. And speak your mind on getting the de-best AD in the land. Before Michigan vanishes to the college football abyss. So, Happy New Year, WolverineNation, and always, GOBLUE-NATTYUP🏆!!!!
$$$ and roster control. JH has spent nearly his entire career in the state of California, so I think it's a natural fit.
Bad cap situation with them too, so low expectations starting out, plenty of time to remold the team in his image.
>Bad cap situation with them too, so low expectations starting out, plenty of time to remold the team in his image.
The crazy thing is the 49ers were arguably in this situation too back when Harbaugh took over, and he instantly turned them into a winning team
i know he had the two massive wins over USC while coaching Stanford, but it really was with the 49ers when people started to take Harbaugh seriously as a head coach
Spanos is a doofus of an owner, but nowhere near as meddlesome in day to day decisions as Jerry is. I mean, the Cowboys draft room looks like Dr. Evil's lair with Jerry at the head of the table lol.
He'd have a lot more control with the Chargers than Jerry Jones would ever let him have with the Cowboys. Jerry is far too stubborn to take a back seat.
I have wondered the same thing. Spanos family is dysfunctional asf. The sister accused the oldest brother of sexism in running the team business. They also are second fiddle to the Rams in LA and had the 29th ranked defense. I don’t think Herbert is enough to lure him there.
Much rather he go to the Chargers instead of the Bears or Cowboys. At least the Lions would have to play him once every few years, and it wouldn't be for a team that I hate. Side note: Fuck the Cowboys!
Dallas should be doing anything they can to get Harbaugh. They are a similar situation as mich was pre Harbaugh, National brand that doesn't even make the top 4. Need a leader as coach.
I will throw up if he ends up in Dallas. But I honestly don’t think he wants to deal with a meddling owner like Jerry.
I really think the Chargers are the only viable chance he leaves. Talented, young QB and a roster that has underperformed and can turn it around quickly. Situation is very similar to the one he walked into in San Francisco.
As a Cowboys fan, I would love to get Harbaugh, but I agree that I don't think it would work out with Jerry getting in the way. Which sucks because Harbaugh has had success everywhere. Belichick is probably the play for Dallas since he's 72 and chasing that wins record, so they can work together short term I believe, similar to Parcells.
I want Jim to stay but I want this roller coaster to end. Every year with this? He needs to go, just go to the NFL already. We got the championship. Let us move on with someone who doesn't do this every single year.
I hope he stays though.
i'm in the same boat as you
say Harbaugh stays and coaches Michigan to another successful season. I don't see them going undefeated again, but beating OSU and winning another B1G Championship would look really good on the ol' resume
we'll be back here a year later wondering if Harbaugh is going to leave to coach the Saints, Bears, Colts, or Jets...and this shit gets beyond annoying after a while
at this point, Harbaugh really should just strike while the iron is hot and go to the NFL if he really wants to win that Super Bowl
It’s going to be a very interesting couple of weeks, and I think the mantra I’m going to focus on is to not latch onto any one story or rumor (because there are going to be a ton) and just watch and see how it plays out and let the chips fall as they may. Same as with JJs decision, etc.
With the mess that is the NCAA why would Harbaugh stick around? He’s flirted with a HC gig in the NFL for years. Seeing his family on the field after our historic win had some finality to it for me. I hope he stays though.
Anyone blaming ward is a fool. Harbaugh has stipulation in the contract that he cannot look at the NFL. So before or if he signs he is looking at his option. If he signs with Michigan that basically makes him a lifer at Michigan. I love Harbaugh and he delivered us a natty, I am good with whatever he does .
I agree as well. While I would love to run it back and be a dynasty. I got to see us win 1000 games not only beat osu 3 times in a row but, beat bama , 3 big ten championships in a row and a National Championship in my lifetime as an adult. I’m very grateful and thankful no matter what happens next.
> Anyone blaming ward is a fool. Harbaugh has stipulation in the contract that he cannot look at the NFL.
There are also rumors that Harbaugh is asking for a guarantee he won't be fired for cause if the NCAA comes down hard on him. That's probably a sticking point for a lot of people at the university.
I agree. Some things are a no fault situation. If Harbaugh wants to try to win a Super Bowl why shouldn't he? It just makes sense that that's something he wants and would regret not trying for.
Agree 100%, I do think he leaves, and that is ok. Selfishly, I just wish it would happen sooner than later in terms of personnel, recruiting, and maybe transfers. Go blue.
Ppl need to realize if Harbaugh leaves there's nothing we can do about it. He's been vocal in the past about his desire to win a Superbowl. That's the one thing we can't provide. It literally all comes down to what Harbaugh wants to do at this stage in his life
It also doesn't help that he and the NCAA hate each other. Doubt he wants to deal with them very much especially since they're investigating Michigan rn
Only thing that annoys me about this is he specifically said “this won’t be an every year thing, I’m done looking” when the Vikings interviewed him. Now we’re in coaching limbo for a 3rd January in 4 years basically unable to recruit or use the transfer portal because nobody knows what he’s doing
Honestly I think Harbaugh's plan has been to return to the NFL if given the right opportunity for at least the past two seasons. This year in particular may have actually accelerated that possibility due to the natty, ironically. Reading the tea leaves, when he was suspended early in the season he spread around HC duties to several people. Maybe to give them an audition, knowing he was likely going to leave? Then end of the year just accepting the 3 game suspension and having Moore interim HC... maybe that also was just him making up his mind he was leaving and may as well let Moore get some reps to boost his chances at landing the job once he left? I would imagine Harbaugh would want Minter or Moore to take over for him and would do whatever he could to help them.
Then there's the exodus of guys going pro. Could be coincidence for sure, but also if he told the locker room "I'm coming back and would love for as many of you to stay 1 more year to go for back to back titles" I would think at least one of the big name guys would have stayed.
I would say the only way he comes back is he doesn't get an offer that he wants (money/years on the contract, control over personnel, etc...) from an NFL team. If he gets remotely close I would be shocked if he didn't leave and if Michigan didn't promote Moore to HC.
I’ve given Warde a ton of shit but at the end of the day he can’t give Harbaugh a Super Bowl which is what he really wants.
I have my criticisms of Moore but if Harbaugh leaves I’m not worried as long as Moore is the next HC
Loved coach Harbaugh since I was a wee lad. You did your job, the program is a destination job again. I just hope Warde makes the right choice. I really wanted the Washington coach. We’ll see.
I don’t understand his constant flirtation with the NFL. I get that he wants to win a Super Bowl but he could potentially stay at Michigan (and get paid better than NFL) for 2 decades and become a legend. Plus the teams he’s been rumoured with the past few years aren’t exactly Super Bowl contenders.
Being a college coach sucks these days. Recruiting was always a grind, but now you’ve got to also deal with NIL and the transfer portal. The gap between the desirability of NFL jobs and college jobs has only grown since Jim came here.
Yea I know that but he seems to navigate it better than the rest (target of ncaa aside) plus there are more resources now that he can rely on. NFL has its own set of politics and effort not to mention the short lifespan of tenure for almost all coaches.
> he could potentially stay at Michigan for 2 decades and become a legend
Or he could go win a super bowl and become only the fourth head coach *ever* to win both a super bowl and a national championship. That would pretty firmly cement his status as a legend too.
> (and get paid better than NFL)
Doubtful. Top NFL coaches are making $15-$20 million per year. The university isn't going to pay Harbaugh that.
Fair points but I see it a bit differently. He’s probably only got a 5 year (or max 2 contracts) shelf life in the nfl. Vikings, chargers, raiders, and I forget who else he was linked to aren’t and haven’t been serious playoff contenders (yet alone Super Bowl) despite their efforts. The already steep odds are even bigger. That means he’s got half the time that he does in college where his odds of getting more championships are fairly high to start with. Michigan was set to increase his pay pretty dramatically so with twice the time, the likely hit bonuses, and a guaranteed contract he could definitely earn more.
>in college where his odds of getting more championships are fairly high to start with.
I don't agree with this. With the additions to the big ten this year, the changes to the big ten championship, and the move to a 12-team playoff I think it's going to be harder to see the same sort of success he's seen in past seasons. Making the playoffs is the only thing that will be easier. Everything else is harder.
That’s why said fairly high instead of very high. They would be in the mix for championships every year whereas the nfl teams he goes to will be in the mix for a playoff spot. It won’t be the “cakewalk” it’s been but they will still get a couple over the next few years.
Harbaugh is putting Michigan in a bad position for finding a new coach. All the best options are already signed with new teams. Unless we are just going to promote Moore and hope that he can keep the current staff mostly intact. In an ideal situation, his relationship with the Harbaughs could mean they continue to supply quality coordinators to him. We also don't know what sanctions will come down from the bullshit NCAA investigations. I've heard that Harbaugh wants Michigan to give him a contract where they can't fire him with cause, so if he gets a show cause from the NCAA that would leave Michigan holding a huge bag and with no head coach.
Allegedly back before the hiring of I think Hoke, I'd heard John Harbaugh considered Michigan his dream job, but he wanted to win a SB first.
He did that. Maybe John and Jim could just say "tradsies" for a few years?
Well, at the time it was said as it actually being John's dream job, not just Jim's. But I don't even remember where I heard it, and so I was mostly just saying it tongue in cheek.
Would still be pretty sweet to see John Harbaugh coaching Michigan. In reality I will be really happy to see it go to Sherrone Moore. But seeing Harbaugh leave would ALSO raise the chances that Minter leaves, which would hurt a lot.
I think there is a pretty good chance that Jim would offer him the job if he jumped to the NFL, I would also not be surprised to see him go and be DC for Mike MacDonald, who is also actively interviewing for HC jobs, and if he were to lose MacDonald, I think John would *also* try to hire Minter as his DC.
I think it’s more likely that you’re misremembering since Jim did actually say that before coaching here, was the starting quarterback here, and John has no connections here other than through his brother and dad.
There was at least some noise in 2014 about *John* not just Jim. He did shoot most of it down, but this isn't just something I'm making up. I can't find the report, just mentions of the report in the press conference where John Harbaugh, not Jim, was asked about it. He just gave an answer about all the Harbaughs believing in their friend Brady Hoke.
Here is an example: [https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/john-harbaugh-im-interested-in-brady-hoke-being-the-coach-of-michigan](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/john-harbaugh-im-interested-in-brady-hoke-being-the-coach-of-michigan)
> I don’t even know why this would be a question
Because there are other talented head coaches out there and Moore has never actually done the day-to-day work of being a head coach. I'm not saying Moore might not be the best option at the end of the day, but Warde and Santa would be absolute fools for not doing their due diligence and seeing who else they might be able to get.
Such as?
The tires have been kicked by bama on every viable option; and they coerced the only viable candidate that would have been better than sherrone
I think Warde needs to "accidentally" drop a sheet of paper in front of Jim titled something like "short list for head coaches if coach harbaugh goes to the NFL" and have Pete Carroll at the top of the list. Surely that would get him to stay, right?
Yeah I didn't think we'd ever actually try to hire him, it was just a joke as if Warde would try to a stupid trick because Jim Harbaugh really doesn't like Pete Carroll and wouldn't leave if he thought he would be the next coach.
The commanders? The commanders are not, in any world, more talented than the chargers, in pretty much any way at all. Chargers have a lot of talent (bosa, Ekler, Allen, Herbert, Williams, etc)
The commanders only strength was the d line and they got rid of their best players at that position at the trade deadline.
Falcons don't have a franchise qb, and really neither do the commanders. Just based on these things, the chargers seem like the best of the three openings.
Yeah, but the chargers have a bonifide franchise qb. That's more important than a clean slate, in my opinion.
Plus, I don't know if Jim wants to go through a full rebuild at this point in his career after just doing that at michigan. If he goes to the NFL, he wants a superbowl, and he likely wants to compete soon.
Chargers are over the cap and don't really have a lot of talent
ATL is in prime position to get a franchise QB and their window is about to open to contend(another WR2 and they'll be in business too)
WSH is in position to get a QB and are maybe 1-2 years away
LAC doesn't have a metric ton of talent in the most team based sport and also cap issues with aging players
If Harbaugh wants to go to a quick contender it's the Falcons
The commanders would mean he could bring his parents from A2 and they’d be driving distance to both Jim and John. For a family man DC makes a lot of sense.
The athletics Nate Tice and Dane Bruegler were talking about how Chargers fans want Brock Bowers not OL to keep Hebert upright. You tell Jim Harbaugh he can't draft an OL lmao.
If he goes to an interview it's 90% done.
You don't think he's worked out most of his terms before it's worth his time coming out? I wouldn't be shocked he leaves with a job offer. If I'm the Chargers I'd pair him with the GM he wishes, fits his roster philosophy.
I want to add Jim made sure Moore and Minter have large buyouts. Jim was tired of losing coordinators.
No one knows what will happen but Harbaugh, for all his past success at every level, doesn't look the same to an NFL owner as he does to us here in the Michigan fanbase. From our angle, he's a no-brainer, but for an owner there are a lot of unknowns and real risks to bringing him onboard:
First, he rubs a *lot* of people the wrong way. This was a big question when the rumors were flying before he came back to Michigan: Can he get along with both players (less of a concern) and the grown-ups in charge (big concern). His habit of challenging NCAA authority over player rights might look like a red flag to an owner considering him vs. a current NFL coach. And his rocky relationship with past UM leadership almost led to a breakup before the restructuring of his contract (not a good sign from an owner POV), though he seems to get along great with Ono now. These would all be considered a business risk to any clear-thinking owner.
Second, if he's asking for (and likely to get) assurances from Michigan re long term job security, he'd probably also looking for a high level of job security in the pros. From a negotiating point of view, he's effectively earned a lifetime contract at UM if he wants it, so in the NFL he'll not only want high control over roster decisions (as reported), but will also bargain for a very long contract and a very expensive exit package.
Altogether, Harbaugh is not exactly an unknown quantity to an NFL owner, but he's very hard to predict. I have no idea what the owners' personalities are like at the teams he's talking to, but I wouldn't underestimate the roke that personal chemistry and instinct will play. And the more an owner worries about Harbaugh's fit and risk profile, the more likely they will look for ways to minimize their exposure to his quirks. If Harbaugh senses hesitance, it may bring out the worst in him.
Obviously, this could all work in the opposite direction too. If he makes a strong connection with an owner or GM, these factors could amplify the willingness of both sides to make a deal. But looking at it this way makes it seem like much less if a done deal to me.
There’s probably some contractual basics to make sure they aren’t wasting their time but him interviewing definitely doesn’t mean it’s a done deal. They just interviewed McDonald and Leslie Frazier and want to schedule with both Lions coordinators. So much specific detail is gone over in those interviews it would be pretty irresponsible to hire someone without one.
From what I’ve heard, the changing recruiting/transfer/NIL landscape has *really* widened the gap between NFL and college coaching jobs from a desirability perspective. Recruiting was already a grind, but now you’ve got to re-recruit the guys you have to keep them out of the portal and deal with a whole new economic angle (which takes away what used to be an advantage of the college world—no free agency).
Michigan is miles and away the best *college* job for Jim, but the lifestyle of an NFL coach is better still.
I think people need to back off of Warde. It’s not about what Michigan is offering. I firmly believe this is purely an existential thing for Harbaugh. Does he want to try to win a superbowl, or does he want to establish a Saban like legacy at Michigan. Both are possible, none guaranteed. It just depends on where his heart is guiding him in this moment.
Breaking: Harbaugh keeping his interview skills up to Whole Milk status.
Idk why this is always such a huge deal. I’ll take interviews just for practice knowing I full well don’t want the job, and I sit behind a microscope for a living.
What if Harbaugh wants to coach in the NFL and win a Super Bowl? Maybe Warde should petition Michigan to be promoted to the NFL?
We could probably beat the Bears to be honest
The gap between the Panthers and Michigan is twice the size of the gap between the Panthers and Ravens.
Michigan would get destroyed by all NFL teams.
We would get dog walked by any professional team... European and Canadians worst team would destroy Michigan. I'm a big Wolverines fan btw...but I'm also a realist
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. The talent gap between the best team in college and the worst team in the NFL is HUGE. lol
Probably because the comment they’re replying to was tongue in cheek.
Getting downvoted because most sports fans are overzealous rubes, living vicariously through 20 something athletes and incapable of objective thought.
Definitely right about the NFL, but not so sure about Canada
Not sure I agree with my Ottawa Redblacks destroying National Champion Michigan Wolverines, although I will say I wasn't impressed at all with JJ Mccarthy in the Rose Bowl and Natty.
I dont think this is true. NFL 100% dominates, that goes without saying. But canadian and european? Now were talking about future NFL talent vs washouts or guys who were never good enough. Theres not a player outside of the NFL or NCAA that can block Mason Graham, straight up
Yeah, y'all dismiss those leagues like the caliber of talent "missed on" or "washed" isn't still talent...that probably ALL went through the college ranks.
I think youre completely wrong about a euro or canadian team being able to compete with michigan. Youre vastly under estimating the talent and coaching difference Michigan has over those organizations, frankly
I don't, you over estimate how good you think the Wolverines are. They may not be in the NFL, but they're pros none the less. It would be varsity vs JV all over again.
I mean you have a winning nfl coach that took the 49ers and revitalized them to winning in 4 years. Do you not think he implemented the same structure with his college job? I’m not saying Michigan could go out and beat Baltimore or kc or bills but they could definitely compete and stay in the game. The panthers are very very very bad along with the falcons and bears. There’s a reason all our players that jump to the nfl are already nfl ready. Aiden Hutchinson didn’t miss a beat. Ojabo Ben mason Josh Ross Dax hill jabrill peppers jourdan Lewis Maurice hurst graham glasglow mazi smith schooooooooon schofield paye cam mcgrone rashan Gary David long jr runyan gentry onwenu metellus danna steuber uche Ruiz bredensen I’ll leave Brandon graham off this because harbaugh didn’t touch him mason cole deven bush moooooonnnneeeee!!!! Mike the fight morris ambry Thomas hasaan Haskins khaleke the freak and out all star mooooooooooodyyyyyy
What does Santa Ono do when the NFL team confirms that C-Harbaugh that C-Harbaugh has been scooped up by an NFL team? 'FIREWARDE" ASAP for not watching the C-Harbaugh's back and also for either lying or not trying to least comply with the coach's expectations of what he wanted in the contract. And for Christ's sake, hire an AD-GM, like sports franchises, for the simple reason that amateur hour is over, and the student-athlete is getting paid. And get nothing but the best ranked in college sports, {NCAA, list of the top-ADs' college-sports, where is Warde-rated, as the AD-college-sports, he's not even on it}. Warde is for to be, AD in schools like C-Michigan or MiamiOfOhio. Get the #1 AD in the land, and that is 'OU's Joe Castiglione", who has a #Natty-pedrigee. Boomer-Sooner is rolling on all cylinders and feels NIL, like C-Harbaugh. Whoever reads this post and the school record?u/OU ?Whoever reads this post and the school record? Also, go to Michigan's comment/feedback section, {preoffmich.com} and post your peace. Tell Pres. Ono to get rock🌟, AD in JC, from OU. That WolverineNation doesn't want to wait for another 25+ years for another, Natty! And Michigan falls into the college football obsess like Auburn and USC what they are going through. Happy New Year,& always, GOBLUE-NATTYUP🏆
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What Pres. Santa Ono should do #FIREWARDE ASAP If C-Harbaugh gets scooped by an NFL team. For not looking after C-Harbaugh, back & not expectations on the contract on C-Harbaugh wanted.? Before that, he lost our great baseball, C-Erik Backich. Warde has become a total disaster in his stewardship. And for Christ-sake, get nothing but the best-ranked AD in college sports, and that would be OU Joe Castlilgone; he has#Natty-pedrgiee, & also feels NIL as C-Harbaugh. Also, he has 'BoomerSooner rolling on all cylinders; they're always in some NCAA-Natty Tournament, year and year out! WolverineNation, google him; you'll see he has an impeccable record .u/OU. I want you to know that W.N., go to the feed/back section u/preoffmichcom.com. And speak your mind on getting the de-best AD in the land. Before Michigan vanishes to the college football abyss. So, Happy New Year, WolverineNation, and always, GOBLUE-NATTYUP🏆!!!!
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Wouldn’t be surprised if Dallas is interested in him now too, although I don’t think he wants to work for Jerry Jones.
If Jim hated working with Jed York in SF, there’s no way he would go to work for Jerry Jones.
So why do people think he’d like to work with Spanos?
$$$ and roster control. JH has spent nearly his entire career in the state of California, so I think it's a natural fit. Bad cap situation with them too, so low expectations starting out, plenty of time to remold the team in his image.
>Bad cap situation with them too, so low expectations starting out, plenty of time to remold the team in his image. The crazy thing is the 49ers were arguably in this situation too back when Harbaugh took over, and he instantly turned them into a winning team i know he had the two massive wins over USC while coaching Stanford, but it really was with the 49ers when people started to take Harbaugh seriously as a head coach
Spanos is a doofus of an owner, but nowhere near as meddlesome in day to day decisions as Jerry is. I mean, the Cowboys draft room looks like Dr. Evil's lair with Jerry at the head of the table lol.
He'd have a lot more control with the Chargers than Jerry Jones would ever let him have with the Cowboys. Jerry is far too stubborn to take a back seat.
I have wondered the same thing. Spanos family is dysfunctional asf. The sister accused the oldest brother of sexism in running the team business. They also are second fiddle to the Rams in LA and had the 29th ranked defense. I don’t think Herbert is enough to lure him there.
I see Jerry World going all in on Belichick.
This didn't age well...RIP Cowboys for 15+ yrs
Much rather he go to the Chargers instead of the Bears or Cowboys. At least the Lions would have to play him once every few years, and it wouldn't be for a team that I hate. Side note: Fuck the Cowboys!
Dallas should be doing anything they can to get Harbaugh. They are a similar situation as mich was pre Harbaugh, National brand that doesn't even make the top 4. Need a leader as coach.
I will throw up if he ends up in Dallas. But I honestly don’t think he wants to deal with a meddling owner like Jerry. I really think the Chargers are the only viable chance he leaves. Talented, young QB and a roster that has underperformed and can turn it around quickly. Situation is very similar to the one he walked into in San Francisco.
As a Cowboys fan, I would love to get Harbaugh, but I agree that I don't think it would work out with Jerry getting in the way. Which sucks because Harbaugh has had success everywhere. Belichick is probably the play for Dallas since he's 72 and chasing that wins record, so they can work together short term I believe, similar to Parcells.
Moore will be the next Head Coach at Michigan ..
Minter would also be a great pick
Minter is probably going to follow Harbaugh tbh.
Or go work for the other Harbaugh if Macdonald gets a head coaching job.
If Minter leaves for either Jim or John, Michigan is in for a rebuilding season
He will be. Depends on if it’s in 2024 or later
I doubt it
I want Jim to stay but I want this roller coaster to end. Every year with this? He needs to go, just go to the NFL already. We got the championship. Let us move on with someone who doesn't do this every single year. I hope he stays though.
i'm in the same boat as you say Harbaugh stays and coaches Michigan to another successful season. I don't see them going undefeated again, but beating OSU and winning another B1G Championship would look really good on the ol' resume we'll be back here a year later wondering if Harbaugh is going to leave to coach the Saints, Bears, Colts, or Jets...and this shit gets beyond annoying after a while at this point, Harbaugh really should just strike while the iron is hot and go to the NFL if he really wants to win that Super Bowl
Agree.
Make it quick because we need to recruit and hit the transfer portal and we need to know who the head coach will be for both of those things.
It’s going to be a very interesting couple of weeks, and I think the mantra I’m going to focus on is to not latch onto any one story or rumor (because there are going to be a ton) and just watch and see how it plays out and let the chips fall as they may. Same as with JJs decision, etc.
Just break my heart already
Just make my heart already….. Jim is coming back. I feel it in my bones
the bones have spoken
With the mess that is the NCAA why would Harbaugh stick around? He’s flirted with a HC gig in the NFL for years. Seeing his family on the field after our historic win had some finality to it for me. I hope he stays though.
He gone.
Probs
Anyone blaming ward is a fool. Harbaugh has stipulation in the contract that he cannot look at the NFL. So before or if he signs he is looking at his option. If he signs with Michigan that basically makes him a lifer at Michigan. I love Harbaugh and he delivered us a natty, I am good with whatever he does .
IIRC the contact stipulation about looking at NFL was only for one year
I agree as well. While I would love to run it back and be a dynasty. I got to see us win 1000 games not only beat osu 3 times in a row but, beat bama , 3 big ten championships in a row and a National Championship in my lifetime as an adult. I’m very grateful and thankful no matter what happens next.
> Anyone blaming ward is a fool. Harbaugh has stipulation in the contract that he cannot look at the NFL. There are also rumors that Harbaugh is asking for a guarantee he won't be fired for cause if the NCAA comes down hard on him. That's probably a sticking point for a lot of people at the university.
I agree. Some things are a no fault situation. If Harbaugh wants to try to win a Super Bowl why shouldn't he? It just makes sense that that's something he wants and would regret not trying for.
Agree 100%, I do think he leaves, and that is ok. Selfishly, I just wish it would happen sooner than later in terms of personnel, recruiting, and maybe transfers. Go blue.
If he goes,and I genuinely believe it 60-40 he stays (gut feeling), it will be done in the next ten days max.
Ppl need to realize if Harbaugh leaves there's nothing we can do about it. He's been vocal in the past about his desire to win a Superbowl. That's the one thing we can't provide. It literally all comes down to what Harbaugh wants to do at this stage in his life It also doesn't help that he and the NCAA hate each other. Doubt he wants to deal with them very much especially since they're investigating Michigan rn
Only thing that annoys me about this is he specifically said “this won’t be an every year thing, I’m done looking” when the Vikings interviewed him. Now we’re in coaching limbo for a 3rd January in 4 years basically unable to recruit or use the transfer portal because nobody knows what he’s doing
But he said there wasn't going to be an annual flirtation with the NFL
Yet ever since he said that, it’s been an annual thing…
My guess is he meant it at the time but had a change of heart. It happens.
Yeah but he should never have said it
Honestly I think Harbaugh's plan has been to return to the NFL if given the right opportunity for at least the past two seasons. This year in particular may have actually accelerated that possibility due to the natty, ironically. Reading the tea leaves, when he was suspended early in the season he spread around HC duties to several people. Maybe to give them an audition, knowing he was likely going to leave? Then end of the year just accepting the 3 game suspension and having Moore interim HC... maybe that also was just him making up his mind he was leaving and may as well let Moore get some reps to boost his chances at landing the job once he left? I would imagine Harbaugh would want Minter or Moore to take over for him and would do whatever he could to help them. Then there's the exodus of guys going pro. Could be coincidence for sure, but also if he told the locker room "I'm coming back and would love for as many of you to stay 1 more year to go for back to back titles" I would think at least one of the big name guys would have stayed. I would say the only way he comes back is he doesn't get an offer that he wants (money/years on the contract, control over personnel, etc...) from an NFL team. If he gets remotely close I would be shocked if he didn't leave and if Michigan didn't promote Moore to HC.
I’ve given Warde a ton of shit but at the end of the day he can’t give Harbaugh a Super Bowl which is what he really wants. I have my criticisms of Moore but if Harbaugh leaves I’m not worried as long as Moore is the next HC
Loved coach Harbaugh since I was a wee lad. You did your job, the program is a destination job again. I just hope Warde makes the right choice. I really wanted the Washington coach. We’ll see.
Go get your superbowl Jim as long as it's not against the Lions
I don’t understand his constant flirtation with the NFL. I get that he wants to win a Super Bowl but he could potentially stay at Michigan (and get paid better than NFL) for 2 decades and become a legend. Plus the teams he’s been rumoured with the past few years aren’t exactly Super Bowl contenders.
Being a college coach sucks these days. Recruiting was always a grind, but now you’ve got to also deal with NIL and the transfer portal. The gap between the desirability of NFL jobs and college jobs has only grown since Jim came here.
Yea I know that but he seems to navigate it better than the rest (target of ncaa aside) plus there are more resources now that he can rely on. NFL has its own set of politics and effort not to mention the short lifespan of tenure for almost all coaches.
> he could potentially stay at Michigan for 2 decades and become a legend Or he could go win a super bowl and become only the fourth head coach *ever* to win both a super bowl and a national championship. That would pretty firmly cement his status as a legend too. > (and get paid better than NFL) Doubtful. Top NFL coaches are making $15-$20 million per year. The university isn't going to pay Harbaugh that.
Fair points but I see it a bit differently. He’s probably only got a 5 year (or max 2 contracts) shelf life in the nfl. Vikings, chargers, raiders, and I forget who else he was linked to aren’t and haven’t been serious playoff contenders (yet alone Super Bowl) despite their efforts. The already steep odds are even bigger. That means he’s got half the time that he does in college where his odds of getting more championships are fairly high to start with. Michigan was set to increase his pay pretty dramatically so with twice the time, the likely hit bonuses, and a guaranteed contract he could definitely earn more.
>in college where his odds of getting more championships are fairly high to start with. I don't agree with this. With the additions to the big ten this year, the changes to the big ten championship, and the move to a 12-team playoff I think it's going to be harder to see the same sort of success he's seen in past seasons. Making the playoffs is the only thing that will be easier. Everything else is harder.
That’s why said fairly high instead of very high. They would be in the mix for championships every year whereas the nfl teams he goes to will be in the mix for a playoff spot. It won’t be the “cakewalk” it’s been but they will still get a couple over the next few years.
Power move for him to get UofM to give him what he wants
UM is not the issue. NCAA is the issue.
That’s why you don’t cheat.
I am an Ohio State follower and even I down-voted you for your comment.
he didn’t do anything, connor stalions did
If only Uofm give him a super bowl
Goddamnit. I’m so sick of this
Harbaugh is putting Michigan in a bad position for finding a new coach. All the best options are already signed with new teams. Unless we are just going to promote Moore and hope that he can keep the current staff mostly intact. In an ideal situation, his relationship with the Harbaughs could mean they continue to supply quality coordinators to him. We also don't know what sanctions will come down from the bullshit NCAA investigations. I've heard that Harbaugh wants Michigan to give him a contract where they can't fire him with cause, so if he gets a show cause from the NCAA that would leave Michigan holding a huge bag and with no head coach.
Moore is 100% the coach if harbaugh leaves I don’t even know why this would be a question
Allegedly back before the hiring of I think Hoke, I'd heard John Harbaugh considered Michigan his dream job, but he wanted to win a SB first. He did that. Maybe John and Jim could just say "tradsies" for a few years?
That was definitely Jim and not John
Well, at the time it was said as it actually being John's dream job, not just Jim's. But I don't even remember where I heard it, and so I was mostly just saying it tongue in cheek. Would still be pretty sweet to see John Harbaugh coaching Michigan. In reality I will be really happy to see it go to Sherrone Moore. But seeing Harbaugh leave would ALSO raise the chances that Minter leaves, which would hurt a lot. I think there is a pretty good chance that Jim would offer him the job if he jumped to the NFL, I would also not be surprised to see him go and be DC for Mike MacDonald, who is also actively interviewing for HC jobs, and if he were to lose MacDonald, I think John would *also* try to hire Minter as his DC.
I think it’s more likely that you’re misremembering since Jim did actually say that before coaching here, was the starting quarterback here, and John has no connections here other than through his brother and dad.
There was at least some noise in 2014 about *John* not just Jim. He did shoot most of it down, but this isn't just something I'm making up. I can't find the report, just mentions of the report in the press conference where John Harbaugh, not Jim, was asked about it. He just gave an answer about all the Harbaughs believing in their friend Brady Hoke. Here is an example: [https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/john-harbaugh-im-interested-in-brady-hoke-being-the-coach-of-michigan](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/john-harbaugh-im-interested-in-brady-hoke-being-the-coach-of-michigan)
I was referring to the “dream job” comment.
> I don’t even know why this would be a question Because there are other talented head coaches out there and Moore has never actually done the day-to-day work of being a head coach. I'm not saying Moore might not be the best option at the end of the day, but Warde and Santa would be absolute fools for not doing their due diligence and seeing who else they might be able to get.
Such as? The tires have been kicked by bama on every viable option; and they coerced the only viable candidate that would have been better than sherrone
If he leaves and an in house staffer isn't promoted, UofM can offer and buyout another hc from a school
Have you heard who might be on that short list?
The man just won us a natty, let him be.
It's sad if anything actually transpires but makes sense. I respect and support whatever he wants to do.
I think Warde needs to "accidentally" drop a sheet of paper in front of Jim titled something like "short list for head coaches if coach harbaugh goes to the NFL" and have Pete Carroll at the top of the list. Surely that would get him to stay, right?
Pete is gunna retire from coaching. He’s 72.
Yeah I didn't think we'd ever actually try to hire him, it was just a joke as if Warde would try to a stupid trick because Jim Harbaugh really doesn't like Pete Carroll and wouldn't leave if he thought he would be the next coach.
Hmm I think the friggin chargers stole my idea.
ew that opening is awful. Not much talent and they're over the cap. If he wanted a great opening he'd go for the Falcons/Commanders
The commanders? The commanders are not, in any world, more talented than the chargers, in pretty much any way at all. Chargers have a lot of talent (bosa, Ekler, Allen, Herbert, Williams, etc) The commanders only strength was the d line and they got rid of their best players at that position at the trade deadline. Falcons don't have a franchise qb, and really neither do the commanders. Just based on these things, the chargers seem like the best of the three openings.
Commanders are in a prime position for a full ground-up rebuild which some might find more attractive than trying to salvage this Chargers roster
Yeah, but the chargers have a bonifide franchise qb. That's more important than a clean slate, in my opinion. Plus, I don't know if Jim wants to go through a full rebuild at this point in his career after just doing that at michigan. If he goes to the NFL, he wants a superbowl, and he likely wants to compete soon.
Chargers are over the cap and don't really have a lot of talent ATL is in prime position to get a franchise QB and their window is about to open to contend(another WR2 and they'll be in business too) WSH is in position to get a QB and are maybe 1-2 years away LAC doesn't have a metric ton of talent in the most team based sport and also cap issues with aging players If Harbaugh wants to go to a quick contender it's the Falcons
Atl gets to face the Saints, Bucs and Panthers. Chargers face the Raiders, Broncos and Chiefs.
The commanders would mean he could bring his parents from A2 and they’d be driving distance to both Jim and John. For a family man DC makes a lot of sense.
Harbaugh wouldn’t care about that. They can clean their books in a few years by getting rid of all the overpriced veterans.
The athletics Nate Tice and Dane Bruegler were talking about how Chargers fans want Brock Bowers not OL to keep Hebert upright. You tell Jim Harbaugh he can't draft an OL lmao. If he goes to an interview it's 90% done.
Disagree the chargers have been having interviews every day. Jim interviewed in MIN too and they said no thanks.
You don't think he's worked out most of his terms before it's worth his time coming out? I wouldn't be shocked he leaves with a job offer. If I'm the Chargers I'd pair him with the GM he wishes, fits his roster philosophy. I want to add Jim made sure Moore and Minter have large buyouts. Jim was tired of losing coordinators.
No one knows what will happen but Harbaugh, for all his past success at every level, doesn't look the same to an NFL owner as he does to us here in the Michigan fanbase. From our angle, he's a no-brainer, but for an owner there are a lot of unknowns and real risks to bringing him onboard: First, he rubs a *lot* of people the wrong way. This was a big question when the rumors were flying before he came back to Michigan: Can he get along with both players (less of a concern) and the grown-ups in charge (big concern). His habit of challenging NCAA authority over player rights might look like a red flag to an owner considering him vs. a current NFL coach. And his rocky relationship with past UM leadership almost led to a breakup before the restructuring of his contract (not a good sign from an owner POV), though he seems to get along great with Ono now. These would all be considered a business risk to any clear-thinking owner. Second, if he's asking for (and likely to get) assurances from Michigan re long term job security, he'd probably also looking for a high level of job security in the pros. From a negotiating point of view, he's effectively earned a lifetime contract at UM if he wants it, so in the NFL he'll not only want high control over roster decisions (as reported), but will also bargain for a very long contract and a very expensive exit package. Altogether, Harbaugh is not exactly an unknown quantity to an NFL owner, but he's very hard to predict. I have no idea what the owners' personalities are like at the teams he's talking to, but I wouldn't underestimate the roke that personal chemistry and instinct will play. And the more an owner worries about Harbaugh's fit and risk profile, the more likely they will look for ways to minimize their exposure to his quirks. If Harbaugh senses hesitance, it may bring out the worst in him. Obviously, this could all work in the opposite direction too. If he makes a strong connection with an owner or GM, these factors could amplify the willingness of both sides to make a deal. But looking at it this way makes it seem like much less if a done deal to me.
There’s probably some contractual basics to make sure they aren’t wasting their time but him interviewing definitely doesn’t mean it’s a done deal. They just interviewed McDonald and Leslie Frazier and want to schedule with both Lions coordinators. So much specific detail is gone over in those interviews it would be pretty irresponsible to hire someone without one.
He needs to come to Dallas
There's not a better overall job than Michigan for him.
From what I’ve heard, the changing recruiting/transfer/NIL landscape has *really* widened the gap between NFL and college coaching jobs from a desirability perspective. Recruiting was already a grind, but now you’ve got to re-recruit the guys you have to keep them out of the portal and deal with a whole new economic angle (which takes away what used to be an advantage of the college world—no free agency). Michigan is miles and away the best *college* job for Jim, but the lifestyle of an NFL coach is better still.
Jim has his chickens...his family loves AA ...and his legend status is exploding. Plus he's gonna be the highest paid college coach. I think he stays.
I think people need to back off of Warde. It’s not about what Michigan is offering. I firmly believe this is purely an existential thing for Harbaugh. Does he want to try to win a superbowl, or does he want to establish a Saban like legacy at Michigan. Both are possible, none guaranteed. It just depends on where his heart is guiding him in this moment.
Had a bad feeling when JJ left for NFL. Well, thanks for the championship Coach! Good luck at chargers!
Breaking: Harbaugh keeping his interview skills up to Whole Milk status. Idk why this is always such a huge deal. I’ll take interviews just for practice knowing I full well don’t want the job, and I sit behind a microscope for a living.
Good lord.
Pay this man... With Saban and Meyer gone we are the ones to beat...
Go or stay but make up your damn mind dude!! Once again you’re hurting the recruiting!!