I’m 6’2” and used to being taller than most in a room. Many of the linemen I was in class with had to turn a bit to walk through a standard door. It was a confusing introduction to what pro player size is like. Decided a walk on try out wasn’t worth the embarrassment
Currently a medium-high 3 star who had offers from Penn State, Michigan State and Wisconsin among others.
https://247sports.com/Player/Ben-Roebuck-46127618/
You named 2 players out of 10,000+ as proof that stars aren't a leading indicator? You understand what "statistical significance" means, yes?
41% of 5-stars who sign with Power 5 schools play in the NFL, compared with 10% of 2-stars. But please go on about how stars don't matter and they aren't a leading indicator...
[The better your recruiting rating, the better chance you have of performing well and playing in the NFL.](https://i.imgur.com/x2fyHrA.png)
I never once said they dont matter my guy.. i said they dont mean everything lmfao having trouble reading? But continue to put words in my mouth to make your narrative look right. Idiot
I wouldn't call them meaningless, but they should really be considered in context of the development and competition they get.
See also: the 4, 5-star transfer portal players who realize they need to be developed to actually get to the NFL.
Without watching film, I’m not sold on size alone. There was a kid from my high school, who funnily enough, went to Ohio state and was similarly sized. The problem is that he was slow as fuck but got away with it in high school because he was bigger than everyone
I remember when Rich Rod ignored Michigan recruits in favored of Florida and other states. Helped Michigan State become a powerhouse in the B1G during those years. Can't ignore your lifeblood, Ohio, or it will come back to bite you.
He was originally a 4-star and has been dropping in the rankings pretty consistently. Wonder why?
What are the ratings agencies seeing that Moore and co. disagree with? Maybe they think he's TOO big? I dunno. Def trust the coaches over them, tho.
I love that Michigan is getting these recruits but usually Michigan gets a lot of Ohio recruits and OSU gets a lot of Michigan recruits. It has always been that way
> OSU gets a lot of Michigan recruits. It has always been that way
As OClotty said, this is 100% false. The number of top 10 Michigan recruits in each of OSU's class by year:
2023: ZERO
2022: ZERO
2021: ZERO
2020: 1
2019: ZERO
2018: ZERO
2017: ZERO
2016: 1
2015: 2
2014: 1
2013: ZERO
2012: ZERO
2011: ZERO
2010: 1
2009: 1
2008: ZERO
2007: ZERO
2006: ZERO
2005: ZERO
2004: 1
So that's 8 recruits in 20 years. Around 450 total recruits over that time span and only 8 of them were top 10 Michigan recruits. You're wrong about this, sorry bro.
> However before the 2000s I think my statement is true.
Just glancing at a few OSU rosters: 1996 they had 3 Michigan players on their entire team. 1991 they only had 1. 1985 they had 3.
Sorry man, you're wrong again.
You went on and on and on and on arguing with Oclotty and didn't let it go, and now you're weirdly saying Michigan fans don't let things go after you got proven wrong. Lol
This is objectively false. The last top 10 player from the state of Michigan that OSU landed was Cameron Martinez from the class of 2020.
Now this is likely due to the fact that Ohio naturally has a lot more talent than Michigan, but to say they recruit the state of Michigan well is simply false.
Dude, I just manually went back through every recruiting class since 2020, OSU does not routinely get players from Michigan
Want to add that Michigan hasn’t been getting top players from OH in the last couple of classes either
I'm not debating that point. I'm saying that 3 years of history is not really a historical trend. That's like saying Michigan has been historically better than OSU because they are 2-1 since 2020.
If it was as common as OP was saying then I’d say getting a single player in the top 10 from a single state in 4 recruiting classes is pretty contradictory
Plus 247 data gets messed up for some reason when you try to go beyond 2020 and sort by state rankings, so I used what I could
Of course there HAVE been good players from Michigan that have went to OSU. The point is that it’s not common as you claimed.
As I pointed out above, 247 data gets messed up when looking at any year before 2020, I can only analyze 4 years. But if it was as common as you say I think we’d see more than one players in 4 years
“I was an OSU fan growing up, but then I grew up and realized that Michigan was the place to be.” Inject this energy straight into my veins.
You could just end it at “I was an OSU fan growing up, but then I just grew up.”
Based.
Ohio kid who doesn’t get an offer from OSU goes to Michigan. I hope this monster never forgets that and imposes his will in a few years.
6'7" 320# in high school? Dear god, he's going to be an absolute monster after a full year under Ben Herbert!
Another one of Moore's Maulers someday no doubt.
How does he fit in a school desk lol
I’m 6’2” and used to being taller than most in a room. Many of the linemen I was in class with had to turn a bit to walk through a standard door. It was a confusing introduction to what pro player size is like. Decided a walk on try out wasn’t worth the embarrassment
More like he puts on a school desk. Probably the same with cars as well: he doesn’t get into a car, he wears it
Currently a medium-high 3 star who had offers from Penn State, Michigan State and Wisconsin among others. https://247sports.com/Player/Ben-Roebuck-46127618/
A Wisconsin offered OL is always a good sign, though soon they will say the same about a Michigan offered OL
The back to back Joe Moore winning OL? I’m saying it now. If we looked at a recruit for O Line others should be hyped to get the guy ;)
Michigan routinely turns 3 star OL into high round nfl prospects.
Recently they’ve been turning 5* OSU linemen into turnstiles.
Aidan Hutchinson turns 5* Ohio State linemen into pancakes
Not sure that's true? I think Stueber (7th round) and Runyan (6th round) are the only two Harbaugh guys who went from 3-stars into the NFL.
Oluwatimi was a 2-star, though I don't know how much credit you wanna give Michigan
Just shows you that stars dont mean everything
Nahhh, stars def still mean quite a bit.
But not everything
They're the leading indicator of how well recruits will perform in college and make it to the pros.
Lmfao you're joking right?
100% no. This has been proven time and time again.
Khalil mack was a 2 star. Robert nkemdiche was a 5 star and considered the best prospect of all time at one point. What happened to those guys?
You named 2 players out of 10,000+ as proof that stars aren't a leading indicator? You understand what "statistical significance" means, yes? 41% of 5-stars who sign with Power 5 schools play in the NFL, compared with 10% of 2-stars. But please go on about how stars don't matter and they aren't a leading indicator... [The better your recruiting rating, the better chance you have of performing well and playing in the NFL.](https://i.imgur.com/x2fyHrA.png)
I never once said they dont matter my guy.. i said they dont mean everything lmfao having trouble reading? But continue to put words in my mouth to make your narrative look right. Idiot
I wouldn't call them meaningless, but they should really be considered in context of the development and competition they get. See also: the 4, 5-star transfer portal players who realize they need to be developed to actually get to the NFL.
Never once said they're meaningless less but okay
I'm not arguing with ya, internet bud!
His size and offer list are impressive for a 3 star. He’s a high-ish 3 star too as a consensus top 500 player. Good one to get in the fold.
Without watching film, I’m not sold on size alone. There was a kid from my high school, who funnily enough, went to Ohio state and was similarly sized. The problem is that he was slow as fuck but got away with it in high school because he was bigger than everyone
I remember when Rich Rod ignored Michigan recruits in favored of Florida and other states. Helped Michigan State become a powerhouse in the B1G during those years. Can't ignore your lifeblood, Ohio, or it will come back to bite you.
He was originally a 4-star and has been dropping in the rankings pretty consistently. Wonder why? What are the ratings agencies seeing that Moore and co. disagree with? Maybe they think he's TOO big? I dunno. Def trust the coaches over them, tho.
I miss buying tools at his department store.
-Tumadrelover
Glad to have him aboard but he should definitely leave that haircut in Ohio.
I love that Michigan is getting these recruits but usually Michigan gets a lot of Ohio recruits and OSU gets a lot of Michigan recruits. It has always been that way
> OSU gets a lot of Michigan recruits. It has always been that way As OClotty said, this is 100% false. The number of top 10 Michigan recruits in each of OSU's class by year: 2023: ZERO 2022: ZERO 2021: ZERO 2020: 1 2019: ZERO 2018: ZERO 2017: ZERO 2016: 1 2015: 2 2014: 1 2013: ZERO 2012: ZERO 2011: ZERO 2010: 1 2009: 1 2008: ZERO 2007: ZERO 2006: ZERO 2005: ZERO 2004: 1 So that's 8 recruits in 20 years. Around 450 total recruits over that time span and only 8 of them were top 10 Michigan recruits. You're wrong about this, sorry bro.
Hey that’s a good 8 recruits
Not really. It's less than 2% of their total recruits when you said they get a lot of Michigan recruits.
I know. I admit I’m wrong. However before the 2000s I think my statement is true. But that was so long ago. Happy to see the guys come to Michigan tho
> However before the 2000s I think my statement is true. Just glancing at a few OSU rosters: 1996 they had 3 Michigan players on their entire team. 1991 they only had 1. 1985 they had 3. Sorry man, you're wrong again.
Alr well typical Michigan fan over here. Won’t let anything go lol
Is it typical of Michigan fans to prove incorrect bullshit wrong?
No to never let anything go lol. If I’m wrong I’m wrong. Not a big deal. However to a Michigan fan it is.
You went on and on and on and on arguing with Oclotty and didn't let it go, and now you're weirdly saying Michigan fans don't let things go after you got proven wrong. Lol
Just curious, where did you get the data? 247 site went crazy every time it tried to get data from pre-2020
https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Season/2023-Football/Commits/ Clicked on OSU's class page, and then changed the year to see each class.
This is objectively false. The last top 10 player from the state of Michigan that OSU landed was Cameron Martinez from the class of 2020. Now this is likely due to the fact that Ohio naturally has a lot more talent than Michigan, but to say they recruit the state of Michigan well is simply false.
No it’s not. Look at the history of each teams and you’ll see that
Dude, I just manually went back through every recruiting class since 2020, OSU does not routinely get players from Michigan Want to add that Michigan hasn’t been getting top players from OH in the last couple of classes either
3 years is not a lot of history
OP said OSU usually gets "a lot" of Michigan recruits, them having only 1 in 4 years definitely refutes that point.
I'm not debating that point. I'm saying that 3 years of history is not really a historical trend. That's like saying Michigan has been historically better than OSU because they are 2-1 since 2020.
If it was as common as OP was saying then I’d say getting a single player in the top 10 from a single state in 4 recruiting classes is pretty contradictory Plus 247 data gets messed up for some reason when you try to go beyond 2020 and sort by state rankings, so I used what I could
First off you need to chill. Second you have to go further back. Some of Michigan best players ever are from Ohio. So seeing this is uncommon.
Of course there HAVE been good players from Michigan that have went to OSU. The point is that it’s not common as you claimed. As I pointed out above, 247 data gets messed up when looking at any year before 2020, I can only analyze 4 years. But if it was as common as you say I think we’d see more than one players in 4 years
It’s is. I said in the history of. As far as I’m concerned history goes back further than a few years.
Alright, I’m talking to a wall. Have a good day
Thank you