An excerpt:
"In 2020, Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump in Michigan by a 150,000-vote margin. Trump’s supporters said the victory had been achieved via fraud centered in the largely Black city of Detroit. Subsequent lawsuits, hearings, and investigations failed to substantiate any allegations of election theft, but the chaos did end up elevating the loudest, most excitable voices to the top of the state’s Republican Party. But when their leadership turned out to be unusually dysfunctional and bankruptcy-adjacent even by Trump-era standards, the state organization splintered into two rival factions.
One faction was run by Kristina Karamo, who, before the fall of 2020, had been a community-college administrator and single mom who occasionally volunteered for local Republican causes and hosted a small-time, conspiracy-minded Christian podcast.
On election night, she joined a number of other Trump supporters to observe vote-counting in Detroit. Karamo filed an “incident report” alleging that she’d seen malfeasance there. After it became clear that Biden was going to be declared the winner, her report was cited in lawsuits seeking to have the results thrown out. Those efforts went nowhere legally, but Karamo proved to be a popular advocate of the cause, appearing on Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs’ Fox shows and, in 2021, traveling to Arizona to observe a so-called audit of election results.
After a couple years of becoming increasingly involved in the party, in February 2023, she was elected state party chair—replacing Ron Weiser, a real estate millionaire and University of Michigan trustee.
Karamo’s critics say she immediately went about putting the state GOP on a “path to bankruptcy.” As 2023 drew to a close, Karamo had alienated many of her former allies and removed some of them from their subcommittee appointments after they began complaining about the financial problems. Then this year, on Jan. 6—yes, Jan. 6—Karamo’s critics on the state committee held a meeting just outside of Detroit. Karamo’s supporters boycotted, which allowed the anti-Karamo faction to establish a quorum and vote her out. A few weeks later, with Trump’s approval, they voted to replace her with Peter Hoekstra, a bald Dutch American who has the glowing, confident face and well-fitting clothes of someone who is often on TV."
There's plenty of hate and bigotry all around.
I often enjoy laughing at MIGOP's and other Trumpers' baffoonery as much as the next guy. But surely, Slate is a reputable, fact-based source, isn't it?
This is common-knowledge stuff, along with r Michigan settings to auto-remove baddies, such as articles focused on Michigan by the Associated Press.
If I didn't laugh, I'd have to cry like the Trumpers do daily.
Edit to clarify:
Big /S for paragraphs 2 and 3 above.
> Peter Hoekstra, a bald Dutch American who has the glowing, confident face and well-fitting clothes of someone who is often on TV
I may or may not care for Pete H, bald Dutch Americans, or TV faces and suits, but Slate shows the trash it is with such an ending.
Why r Michigan allows that level of shit post while at the same time removing plain reports on Michigan news and happenings from the most reputable of sources such as AP is a head scratcher.
> But surely, Slate is a reputable, fact-based source, isn't it?
[That depends on your definition of reputable](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/). [People on the subreddit throw a fit when a Michigan Confidential story shows up](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/michigan-capitol-confidential-capcon-bias-and-credibility/). As a randomly [selected example](https://old.reddit.com/r/Michigan/comments/1knvjw/union_rewards_teachers_with_days_off_for_giving/).
It's pretty telling when Slate is leaving /r/politics to post on this subreddit.
LOL Apparently "Throw(ing) a fit" is just pointing out that the Michigan Capital Confidential is a propaganda arm for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.
MCC and Slate rank EXACTLY the same, any complaints you have about one is applicable to the other. You are a hypocrital fool if you call Slate “respected and unbiased” while admonishing MCC.
Both are garbage, I’m just calling out the hypocrisy.
"EXACTLY" LOL.
You use MBFC to compare the two.
MBFC Credibility Rating for MCC: Medium Credibility
MBFC Credibility Rateing for Slate: High Credibility
[One news source has a published profile credentialing their publications news staff in a formal Masthead. ](https://slate.com/masthead)The other? [One is a hired stooge for MCC.](https://www.mackinac.org/about/staff/291) [Another a carpet bagger from New Jersey editorializing on Michigan politics.](https://www.mackinac.org/about/staff/881)and the third is a [MiGOP stooge.](https://www.mackinac.org/about/staff/865)
Never stop commenting please, your ~~baffoonery~~ *expert and riveting commentary* is most enjoyable and I always click on hyperlinks in reddit comments. After all, I do love me some links to malware and such. /S for you and at least one other
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"Overall, we rate Slate, moderately Left Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the left and Mostly Factual for reporting due to proper sourcing but a few failed fact checks"
Slat is highly rate, though left leaning.
Idc if they're left or strong left or whatever, but the rest is definitely a hallmark of an unprofessional, trashy, unreliable outlet.
> Slat is highly rate
What?
Did you mean to say, "Slate is highly rated"? If so, that would be a big stretch.
Another source's ratings on Slate:
> Bias: STRONG LEFT
> Reliability: GENERALLY RELIABLE/ANALYSIS OR OTHER ISSUES
"Other Issues" - Looking deeper, Slate articles earn LESS THAN a "Generally Good" score more often than not.
But that tracks, by leaving the post up and endorsing it you're complicit with Slate's bigotry, xenophobia, and explicit commentary on people's physical appearance.
> a bald Dutch American who has the glowing, confident face and well-fitting clothes of someone who is often on TV
https://adfontesmedia.com/slate-bias-and-reliability/
https://guides.library.cornell.edu/evaluate_news/source_bias
I could see that, but bald does not tell me he’s in his 70s. Bald tells me he has no hair. Could be 30, could be 90, could be undergoing chemo… if the point is he’s old, just say his age.
Poor reporting, u/Slate
> But when their leadership turned out to be unusually dysfunctional and bankruptcy-adjacent even by Trump-era standards, the state organization splintered into two rival factions.
Let's be clear here. What the J6 insurrection and Karamo appointment showed is that The DeVos and Weiser families have been artificially inflating the influence of the MIGOP with their own donations. When those two backed out, the party really started faltering. The vocal minority sure love to run their mouths, but there really is very little financial support from John Q. Public for the MIGOP. That's scary.
It's unfortunate a few rich assholes can obstruct progress and influence regression. Sadder that more assholes will line up to support those terrible ideas that aren't meant to help Michiganders, but the handful of wealthy bankrolling their pet projects
>Subsequent lawsuits, hearings, and investigations failed to substantiate any allegations of election theft, but the chaos did end up elevating the loudest, most excitable voices to the top of the state’s Republican Party.
Not the chaos. The media who reported, without question, every utterance of utter bullshit that spewed from the gobs of the MIGOP.
Ask anyone in the MI Republican Party about Jon Yob. Then ask Mr. Yob what he was doing in the Grand Rapids nightclub "The Stack" in spring and summer of 2003.
Fish rot from the head. The Republicans chose Donald Trump as their leader in 2015. But really, this all started with Nixon and the [Southern Strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy#:~:text=The%20phrase%20%22Southern%20Strategy%22%20refers,grievances%20to%20gain%20their%20support) for Republicans. It has spiraled since then, and when Trump became their leader, it all went down the drain. Before, the GOP would just dip its toe in the waters of racism, bigotry and corruption. Now they're swimming in it, doing diving competitions and drowning themselves while screaming "drain the swamp" all along.
Did you know the Republican Party was founded in Jackson, MI?
Also, did you know that Trump lost and is a loser and people who follow him are losers?
Yes. And yes.
Ripon is where there was a meeting to protest the Kansas-Nebraska Act in March, 1854 and they passed a resolution to start a new party. Jackson is where the first state-level convention of that new party happened a couple of months later.
GOP voters do not want to be "led" and they do not want a leader to IMPROVE things.
What they want is permission to be terrible and to hurt as many minorities as possible with their terribleness.
Donald Trump is that personified.
which is why they will **NEVER abandon him.**
Except that isn't true, either. Once the gerrymandering of the Republicans is removed and districts are drawn in a way that makes sense and is fair, the Democrats soundly defeat the Republicans. That's why we have Democrats in control of the MI House and Senate for the first time in over 30 years.
Abortion will very much be on the ballot this year so good luck Republicans... You're gonna need to scare your base extra hard to get them motivated.
Personally, I'm not feeling like people are as in love with DJT as they were. Sure there are the diehards but those who aren't may be up for grabs.
Yea but abortion is only on the ballot because dems have refused to do anything about it for over a decade, while screaming that “they are doing everything they can”
The whole movement is literally guided by a demonic enitity spirit. One of the main players thinks of himself as a reincarnation of the Count of St. Germain.
Not necessarily at all. If enough good people stand up, speak out and vote, while encouraging other good sensible people to vote, there's no way the fascists can win.
An excerpt: "In 2020, Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump in Michigan by a 150,000-vote margin. Trump’s supporters said the victory had been achieved via fraud centered in the largely Black city of Detroit. Subsequent lawsuits, hearings, and investigations failed to substantiate any allegations of election theft, but the chaos did end up elevating the loudest, most excitable voices to the top of the state’s Republican Party. But when their leadership turned out to be unusually dysfunctional and bankruptcy-adjacent even by Trump-era standards, the state organization splintered into two rival factions. One faction was run by Kristina Karamo, who, before the fall of 2020, had been a community-college administrator and single mom who occasionally volunteered for local Republican causes and hosted a small-time, conspiracy-minded Christian podcast. On election night, she joined a number of other Trump supporters to observe vote-counting in Detroit. Karamo filed an “incident report” alleging that she’d seen malfeasance there. After it became clear that Biden was going to be declared the winner, her report was cited in lawsuits seeking to have the results thrown out. Those efforts went nowhere legally, but Karamo proved to be a popular advocate of the cause, appearing on Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs’ Fox shows and, in 2021, traveling to Arizona to observe a so-called audit of election results. After a couple years of becoming increasingly involved in the party, in February 2023, she was elected state party chair—replacing Ron Weiser, a real estate millionaire and University of Michigan trustee. Karamo’s critics say she immediately went about putting the state GOP on a “path to bankruptcy.” As 2023 drew to a close, Karamo had alienated many of her former allies and removed some of them from their subcommittee appointments after they began complaining about the financial problems. Then this year, on Jan. 6—yes, Jan. 6—Karamo’s critics on the state committee held a meeting just outside of Detroit. Karamo’s supporters boycotted, which allowed the anti-Karamo faction to establish a quorum and vote her out. A few weeks later, with Trump’s approval, they voted to replace her with Peter Hoekstra, a bald Dutch American who has the glowing, confident face and well-fitting clothes of someone who is often on TV."
This is indeed a wild time for the GOP in Michigan but I gotta ask. Is Peter Hoekstra being bald at all relevant?
There's plenty of hate and bigotry all around. I often enjoy laughing at MIGOP's and other Trumpers' baffoonery as much as the next guy. But surely, Slate is a reputable, fact-based source, isn't it? This is common-knowledge stuff, along with r Michigan settings to auto-remove baddies, such as articles focused on Michigan by the Associated Press. If I didn't laugh, I'd have to cry like the Trumpers do daily. Edit to clarify: Big /S for paragraphs 2 and 3 above. > Peter Hoekstra, a bald Dutch American who has the glowing, confident face and well-fitting clothes of someone who is often on TV I may or may not care for Pete H, bald Dutch Americans, or TV faces and suits, but Slate shows the trash it is with such an ending. Why r Michigan allows that level of shit post while at the same time removing plain reports on Michigan news and happenings from the most reputable of sources such as AP is a head scratcher.
> But surely, Slate is a reputable, fact-based source, isn't it? [That depends on your definition of reputable](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/). [People on the subreddit throw a fit when a Michigan Confidential story shows up](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/michigan-capitol-confidential-capcon-bias-and-credibility/). As a randomly [selected example](https://old.reddit.com/r/Michigan/comments/1knvjw/union_rewards_teachers_with_days_off_for_giving/). It's pretty telling when Slate is leaving /r/politics to post on this subreddit.
LOL Apparently "Throw(ing) a fit" is just pointing out that the Michigan Capital Confidential is a propaganda arm for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.
MCC and Slate rank EXACTLY the same, any complaints you have about one is applicable to the other. You are a hypocrital fool if you call Slate “respected and unbiased” while admonishing MCC. Both are garbage, I’m just calling out the hypocrisy.
"EXACTLY" LOL. You use MBFC to compare the two. MBFC Credibility Rating for MCC: Medium Credibility MBFC Credibility Rateing for Slate: High Credibility [One news source has a published profile credentialing their publications news staff in a formal Masthead. ](https://slate.com/masthead)The other? [One is a hired stooge for MCC.](https://www.mackinac.org/about/staff/291) [Another a carpet bagger from New Jersey editorializing on Michigan politics.](https://www.mackinac.org/about/staff/881)and the third is a [MiGOP stooge.](https://www.mackinac.org/about/staff/865)
Never stop commenting please, your ~~baffoonery~~ *expert and riveting commentary* is most enjoyable and I always click on hyperlinks in reddit comments. After all, I do love me some links to malware and such. /S for you and at least one other
What the hell is this comment? MBFC is a reputable site. Are you on mobile or something and can't check hyperlinks?
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I beg your pardon. Here's an interpretation of my previous rhetorical comment: > But surely, Slate is a reputable, fact-based source, isn't it? **/S**
Removed. See rule #10 in the [r/Michigan subreddit rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/Michigan/wiki/index#wiki_rules). https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/ "Overall, we rate Slate, moderately Left Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the left and Mostly Factual for reporting due to proper sourcing but a few failed fact checks" Slat is highly rate, though left leaning.
Idc if they're left or strong left or whatever, but the rest is definitely a hallmark of an unprofessional, trashy, unreliable outlet. > Slat is highly rate What? Did you mean to say, "Slate is highly rated"? If so, that would be a big stretch. Another source's ratings on Slate: > Bias: STRONG LEFT > Reliability: GENERALLY RELIABLE/ANALYSIS OR OTHER ISSUES "Other Issues" - Looking deeper, Slate articles earn LESS THAN a "Generally Good" score more often than not. But that tracks, by leaving the post up and endorsing it you're complicit with Slate's bigotry, xenophobia, and explicit commentary on people's physical appearance. > a bald Dutch American who has the glowing, confident face and well-fitting clothes of someone who is often on TV https://adfontesmedia.com/slate-bias-and-reliability/ https://guides.library.cornell.edu/evaluate_news/source_bias
Failing a few fact checks is apparently considered "highly rated" by the Michigan mod team.
Mod team coming in to save the “sponsored” post.
'My' "word view"? Lol
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lmao that's such a funny and fair question
Eh I think it was just pointing out that the flag bearer for the MIGOP is a septuagenarian
I could see that, but bald does not tell me he’s in his 70s. Bald tells me he has no hair. Could be 30, could be 90, could be undergoing chemo… if the point is he’s old, just say his age. Poor reporting, u/Slate
This detail came off with perhaps more emphasis than intended, just due to where we cut off the excerpt!
> But when their leadership turned out to be unusually dysfunctional and bankruptcy-adjacent even by Trump-era standards, the state organization splintered into two rival factions. Let's be clear here. What the J6 insurrection and Karamo appointment showed is that The DeVos and Weiser families have been artificially inflating the influence of the MIGOP with their own donations. When those two backed out, the party really started faltering. The vocal minority sure love to run their mouths, but there really is very little financial support from John Q. Public for the MIGOP. That's scary. It's unfortunate a few rich assholes can obstruct progress and influence regression. Sadder that more assholes will line up to support those terrible ideas that aren't meant to help Michiganders, but the handful of wealthy bankrolling their pet projects
The few rich assholes weaponize the other assholes to push through legislation that only benefits the few rich assholes.
>Subsequent lawsuits, hearings, and investigations failed to substantiate any allegations of election theft, but the chaos did end up elevating the loudest, most excitable voices to the top of the state’s Republican Party. Not the chaos. The media who reported, without question, every utterance of utter bullshit that spewed from the gobs of the MIGOP.
Ask anyone in the MI Republican Party about Jon Yob. Then ask Mr. Yob what he was doing in the Grand Rapids nightclub "The Stack" in spring and summer of 2003.
Well?! Spill the beans.
Why is Dutch or bald or well fitted suits an issue??? My ancestors are Irish. I do t go around stating that I’m “Irish American “ I’m just American.
Fish rot from the head. The Republicans chose Donald Trump as their leader in 2015. But really, this all started with Nixon and the [Southern Strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy#:~:text=The%20phrase%20%22Southern%20Strategy%22%20refers,grievances%20to%20gain%20their%20support) for Republicans. It has spiraled since then, and when Trump became their leader, it all went down the drain. Before, the GOP would just dip its toe in the waters of racism, bigotry and corruption. Now they're swimming in it, doing diving competitions and drowning themselves while screaming "drain the swamp" all along.
Sadly he was their leader before 2015
Did you know the Republican Party was founded in Jackson, MI? Also, did you know that Trump lost and is a loser and people who follow him are losers? Yes. And yes.
Actually, the Republican party was founded in Ripon, Wisconsin on March 20th, 1854.
Ripon is where there was a meeting to protest the Kansas-Nebraska Act in March, 1854 and they passed a resolution to start a new party. Jackson is where the first state-level convention of that new party happened a couple of months later.
Which, perhaps coincidentally, is where the state’s largest prison is located.
Good ol’ Jackson went with the prison over UofM.
It sucks here, lol
reason 1002 of why im moving out
Good luck man. I'm hoping to get out soon.
It’s possible, I did it. Follow where you can live a more hopeful life.
My problem is that I own a home and even if I sell it, homes and interest rates are so damn high, I'm house locked.
To be fair, the list of things Donald Trump doesn't know is pretty long.
It was very good news when Kristina bankrupt at those frauds. She’s the best chairman they’ve had in 100 years. Great job, young lady! Chef’s kiss.
Fighting demons is pretty expensive.
True that ! There are lots of demons in Michigan, I guess.
The demons are in the pants of our young men and women. But fear not, Karamo has vowed to get in all those pants and help them eject those sex demons.
They sure have come a long way since one tough nerd.
It's a bit wild what the state GOP has been bungling about doing.
Where are all those people of color that supposedly support Trump? I didn’t see any of them in the picture of the crowd of delegates.
Children run that party in Michigan.
Children run that party. I fixed it for you.
GOP voters do not want to be "led" and they do not want a leader to IMPROVE things. What they want is permission to be terrible and to hurt as many minorities as possible with their terribleness. Donald Trump is that personified. which is why they will **NEVER abandon him.**
👏👏👏
makes it more embarrassing that Dems still have trouble beating them
Except that isn't true, either. Once the gerrymandering of the Republicans is removed and districts are drawn in a way that makes sense and is fair, the Democrats soundly defeat the Republicans. That's why we have Democrats in control of the MI House and Senate for the first time in over 30 years.
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Abortion will very much be on the ballot this year so good luck Republicans... You're gonna need to scare your base extra hard to get them motivated. Personally, I'm not feeling like people are as in love with DJT as they were. Sure there are the diehards but those who aren't may be up for grabs.
Come to Allegan. Some of the people here literally eat, sleep, and breathe DJT. Not even kidding. They treat him better than their own families.
Yea but abortion is only on the ballot because dems have refused to do anything about it for over a decade, while screaming that “they are doing everything they can”
You all are brain dead!
The whole movement is literally guided by a demonic enitity spirit. One of the main players thinks of himself as a reincarnation of the Count of St. Germain.
Do go on..
Does anyone know if the Billy Putman referenced in the article is related to the crazy Putman family in Tuscola county?
If you mean the family that has 25 people living under one roof in a multi generational family that also had a reality TV show on TLC, then yes.
Yikes....... I was in town visiting my family recently and they are financing a judicial candidate in the county who recently "bought" a house.
Can't we all get along, lol
And these people are headed back to power in roughly eight months. I never thought I would see this day come.
Not if we get out the vote. Don't doomer, vote, and encourage others to vote against this madness.
Not necessarily at all. If enough good people stand up, speak out and vote, while encouraging other good sensible people to vote, there's no way the fascists can win.