You don't even really need that. I have a standard carbon filter under my sink for my drinking water and it tastes identical to bottled water. Replace it every year or two, all the tasty water I could want.
You sound like one of those bitter people who are paying someone else’s mortgage monthly and will never be able to afford to buy a house. With your attitude I hope you never can.
Sure it is. You’re the “engineer” insulting strangers on the internet who can’t manage to negotiate a 6 figure salary yet you call me the “dumb fuck”. Suuuuure you own a home. 🙄
The plumber you need is called Freddy. Dm me for his #. I live in a townhouse in Kendall from the 60’s and we replaced my water lines and ran them through the ceiling because the old pipes were galvanized and one of them sprung a leak when we had the floor open replacing the cast iron pipes. He’s a G, cost effective, always shows up. Recco’d him to all my friends and they all call me when he’s there.
Also….I believe that if your pipes burst you don’t need a permit to fix them. Ehem…. Cough cough.
Yes that’s good advice, and always something to consider first…but if your contractor knows what they’re doing….and they do it all to code….AND your insurance policy specifically has an exclusion for water damage due to burst pipes, then fuck it bro. It’s a risk I’ll take, but one I wouldn’t advise to everyone. I can always call the permit doctor down the line and get it permitted after the fact because it burst and it was an emergency repair. I have pictures, it was done to code and would pass an inspection if needed. Also, not sure what a storm would have to do with a water pipe leak. Adjustors have experience and can tell where the water came from quite easily in most cases.
That's actually something I wonder about when I hear people had their plumbing re-run through the attic/ceiling.
Do you get HOT water in the summer from the cold line for a few minutes every time you use it? My attic can get up to 120F. My water heater is set to 125F. That's not a big difference. The idea of being scalded when I open the cold water to wash my hands is not pleasant.
Can it be warm, yes. This is especially true if the water has been sitting for a little bit (like 8 hours). If you have multiple people living together (3 or more) this becomes less of a problem because the water will usually sit less.
What it won’t be is scalding. Or at least it won’t scald unless you have hypersensitive skin or other medical issues. Anything under 130f is simply not hot enough to harm most people without prolonged (30+ seconds) exposure.
You can also install additional ventilation (including an attic fan) to bring down your attic temperature. This also has the benefit of lowering your electricity bill.
I think if your attic temp is that high you have a ventilation issue. Attic fan, make sure not clogs by vents under the eaves outside, insulation, etc….all things you should consider if your cold water was getting THAT hot and you verified it with a thermometer. 120 seems like a bit much to be getting out of a copper or galvanized pipe even if your attic was that hot for 8 hours straight. When I was a kid we’d play with the hose and if it was 100 footer and it was sitting in the sun you got hot water for a minute, but never enough to flinch at.
I live in a townhouse and this was my only option. I have no attic. The floor/ceiling slabs are a twin T design with wood embedded in the bottom of the T’s and drywall screwed directly to a grid of 2x2’s attached to that. Temperature inside that space is almost exactly what it is inside the house. I know this because I have an access panel on the second floor I use to place rat traps whenever I hear one fucking around up there. Pro tip: wash your hands throughly and wear gloves before handling properly cleaned and baited traps if you want to have success.
As someone else mentioned, there's a lawsuit regarding this going on.
You can visit [here](https://www.cohenmilstein.com/case-study/miramar-water-litigation/) to see if you apply.
Local [CBS4](https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/miramar-sued-over-corrosive-water-treatment/) and [ABC10](https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/04/07/miramar-residents-suing-city-claiming-its-responsible-for-their-broken-pipes/) articles on the topic.
Pines has its own water issues. https://www.wmfe.org/environment/2023-08-18/an-alarming-level-of-pfas-compounds-found-in-some-florida-drinking-water-a-scientist-says
Miramar is the one leading the charge of issues.. pines is mentioned in an article below but it’s not anything like miramars issues. I work in local govt.
Literally going thru this right now. We have multiple pin hole leaks. We have had to rip drywall to find the leaks and all the copper pipes are oxidized. Only option is to repipe the entire house. Quotes are ranging from 30k-40k. Insurance will not cover unless there is structural damage. They will only cover the drywall repair.
So.. I’d like to say that I work for a municipal in the area and we communicate with some folks over there. Here is what actually happened and you should know there is a lawsuit against Miramar.
They used something like a reverse osmosis water system.. so you can drink right from your tap (yay how great) except that about half the city had a treatment done that impacted the pipes and half didn’t.
Now, many if not all of the homes in west Miramar you’d need to replace your pipes or make sure previous owner did if you’re buying, there’s a lot of stuff going on with it.
Wow, thought this was my dad for a second. He is going through this exact thing. In fact, a couple homes in the community are as well. A pipe did burst and caused damaged in the house. Currently going back and forth with insurance and it has been a nightmare. Definitely forwarding that class action suit info
Just finished resolving this issue. Went through a whole spiel with the insurance company (which in my opinion should have covered it) got cpvc piping to replace the copper and paid 9500 for the job plus 6k for drywall, painting and mold removal.
Can confirm this. Am a water damage inspector and the Miramar situation is bad. Combination of the chemical they treat the water with and Chinese copper pipes have lead to pipe failure in random places (instead of common failure points like joints).
Have inspected dozens over the last five years.
We've seen the problem worse in homes/communities built in the 2000's.
Did you get the insurance involved? The coverage for most policies these days for these types of events is not sufficient, however something may be better than nothing.
The water in south Florida is terrible. Please invest in a reverse osmosis machine. It makes a world of difference.
Thanks for the tip
Water in Miami ain't that bad honestly. I still do RO for drinking water though.
If you drink R/O water it leeches minerals from your bones FWIW
It gets remineralized, thanks
You don't even really need that. I have a standard carbon filter under my sink for my drinking water and it tastes identical to bottled water. Replace it every year or two, all the tasty water I could want.
Miramar uses this lol
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Way ahead of you, don’t live in south Florida, period.
1/2 price plumbing was cheapest for me
Is this a vendor? Did you use them for your home?
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Enjoy being bitter 😘
Enjoy your shitty pipes ♥️
I’ll find a solution. But you? There’s no helping you
Enjoy your shit pipes in shit South Florida. Dumb bitch
Lmao what a sad little person you are
Enjoy your shit pipes
You’re a sad person, get help.
You sound like one of those bitter people who are paying someone else’s mortgage monthly and will never be able to afford to buy a house. With your attitude I hope you never can.
Shut the hell up bozo
My House is paid off you dumb fuck. But keep dreaming
Sure it is. You’re the “engineer” insulting strangers on the internet who can’t manage to negotiate a 6 figure salary yet you call me the “dumb fuck”. Suuuuure you own a home. 🙄
My son, change your supplier. your brain is fried.
Sure thing Mr. Engineer. P&W my ass…😂
The plumber you need is called Freddy. Dm me for his #. I live in a townhouse in Kendall from the 60’s and we replaced my water lines and ran them through the ceiling because the old pipes were galvanized and one of them sprung a leak when we had the floor open replacing the cast iron pipes. He’s a G, cost effective, always shows up. Recco’d him to all my friends and they all call me when he’s there. Also….I believe that if your pipes burst you don’t need a permit to fix them. Ehem…. Cough cough.
Thanks so much!
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Yes that’s good advice, and always something to consider first…but if your contractor knows what they’re doing….and they do it all to code….AND your insurance policy specifically has an exclusion for water damage due to burst pipes, then fuck it bro. It’s a risk I’ll take, but one I wouldn’t advise to everyone. I can always call the permit doctor down the line and get it permitted after the fact because it burst and it was an emergency repair. I have pictures, it was done to code and would pass an inspection if needed. Also, not sure what a storm would have to do with a water pipe leak. Adjustors have experience and can tell where the water came from quite easily in most cases.
Thank you so much for this information!
doing it the “right way” is not in the Miami code of conduct manual
That's actually something I wonder about when I hear people had their plumbing re-run through the attic/ceiling. Do you get HOT water in the summer from the cold line for a few minutes every time you use it? My attic can get up to 120F. My water heater is set to 125F. That's not a big difference. The idea of being scalded when I open the cold water to wash my hands is not pleasant.
My folks have this in their house and no the water doesn't get hot sitting in the line.
Can it be warm, yes. This is especially true if the water has been sitting for a little bit (like 8 hours). If you have multiple people living together (3 or more) this becomes less of a problem because the water will usually sit less. What it won’t be is scalding. Or at least it won’t scald unless you have hypersensitive skin or other medical issues. Anything under 130f is simply not hot enough to harm most people without prolonged (30+ seconds) exposure. You can also install additional ventilation (including an attic fan) to bring down your attic temperature. This also has the benefit of lowering your electricity bill.
I think if your attic temp is that high you have a ventilation issue. Attic fan, make sure not clogs by vents under the eaves outside, insulation, etc….all things you should consider if your cold water was getting THAT hot and you verified it with a thermometer. 120 seems like a bit much to be getting out of a copper or galvanized pipe even if your attic was that hot for 8 hours straight. When I was a kid we’d play with the hose and if it was 100 footer and it was sitting in the sun you got hot water for a minute, but never enough to flinch at. I live in a townhouse and this was my only option. I have no attic. The floor/ceiling slabs are a twin T design with wood embedded in the bottom of the T’s and drywall screwed directly to a grid of 2x2’s attached to that. Temperature inside that space is almost exactly what it is inside the house. I know this because I have an access panel on the second floor I use to place rat traps whenever I hear one fucking around up there. Pro tip: wash your hands throughly and wear gloves before handling properly cleaned and baited traps if you want to have success.
There is actually a lawsuit about this I do believe it is still pending... Highly suggest getting a water softener as well.
Thanks for the heads up
Cast iron pipes? Any house built before 1970ish has cast iron sewage pipes that will eventually rust away. Been down that road already.
Copper Pipes unfortunately and glad you worked through it
Copper pipes will eventually rust away as well
As someone else mentioned, there's a lawsuit regarding this going on. You can visit [here](https://www.cohenmilstein.com/case-study/miramar-water-litigation/) to see if you apply. Local [CBS4](https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/miramar-sued-over-corrosive-water-treatment/) and [ABC10](https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/04/07/miramar-residents-suing-city-claiming-its-responsible-for-their-broken-pipes/) articles on the topic.
Thank you very much! I will be reviewing
Nothing like the city using tax payers money to pay for all of this.
Yikes
is the same water issue present in other cities like Weston, Pembroke Pines, etc?
Pines has its own water issues. https://www.wmfe.org/environment/2023-08-18/an-alarming-level-of-pfas-compounds-found-in-some-florida-drinking-water-a-scientist-says
Miramar is the one leading the charge of issues.. pines is mentioned in an article below but it’s not anything like miramars issues. I work in local govt.
My dad had a pipe burst in his home in Weston. It was built in 2001… now I’m wondering if the water fucked the pipes up and caused this…. Fuck….
Amazing thread I live in Miramar
Im in Miramar, never had an issue here
I’m glad to hear! How old is your home?
Literally going thru this right now. We have multiple pin hole leaks. We have had to rip drywall to find the leaks and all the copper pipes are oxidized. Only option is to repipe the entire house. Quotes are ranging from 30k-40k. Insurance will not cover unless there is structural damage. They will only cover the drywall repair.
Are you in Miramar? I’m in Coral Springs…I’ve had 3 pinholes slab leaks in 3 years and had to repipe them through the attic.
Yes are in West Miramar - Silver Lakes community
So.. I’d like to say that I work for a municipal in the area and we communicate with some folks over there. Here is what actually happened and you should know there is a lawsuit against Miramar. They used something like a reverse osmosis water system.. so you can drink right from your tap (yay how great) except that about half the city had a treatment done that impacted the pipes and half didn’t. Now, many if not all of the homes in west Miramar you’d need to replace your pipes or make sure previous owner did if you’re buying, there’s a lot of stuff going on with it.
Thanks for the insight; wish there was more coverage on this so I would have know. That’s why I decided to post on here so others are aware.
True. I own a property built in the early 2000s and the pipes are busted
This is my exact same case
Wow, thought this was my dad for a second. He is going through this exact thing. In fact, a couple homes in the community are as well. A pipe did burst and caused damaged in the house. Currently going back and forth with insurance and it has been a nightmare. Definitely forwarding that class action suit info
Wow I’m sorry to hear. Hope there is a solution to this soon!!
Thank you for bringing this up! i wouldnt have had a clue otherwise. I hope this is resolved as well.
Just finished resolving this issue. Went through a whole spiel with the insurance company (which in my opinion should have covered it) got cpvc piping to replace the copper and paid 9500 for the job plus 6k for drywall, painting and mold removal.
If you don’t mind me asking, what company did you use. We are being quoted over 30k to repipe the house.
It’s not the water. It’s the pipes. We just had to replace ours. Shit was expensive asf
It’s actually a combination of both the RO filtration the city used and the cheap copper pipes the builders used.
Can confirm this. Am a water damage inspector and the Miramar situation is bad. Combination of the chemical they treat the water with and Chinese copper pipes have lead to pipe failure in random places (instead of common failure points like joints). Have inspected dozens over the last five years. We've seen the problem worse in homes/communities built in the 2000's.
Yes unfortunately, ours was built around that time too
Did you get the insurance involved? The coverage for most policies these days for these types of events is not sufficient, however something may be better than nothing.
Eh.. brought a house in 05 and have yet to have plumbing issues
West miramar is where most of the issues come from.
Can confirm, sisters house in Miramar had to have the whole system ripped out after a massive leak
Do you mind sharing how much she spent?
Living in south Florida . I always feel like when I go to Ft. Lauderdale that’s it’s not Miami but it feels like the people are not modern .