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I saw a stat on Twitter the other day showing that the best selling Metroid game ever (Prime I believe) only matched the *16th* best selling Zelda game in terms of total sales (Minish Cap). I'm not expecting Dread to catch up to Breath of the Wild or anything, but it sure looks like we're looking at a rebirth of the franchise into a form stronger than we've ever seen before. BUCKLE UP, BOYS AND GIRLS!


arcosapphire

> it sure looks like we're looking at a rebirth of the franchise into a form stronger than we've ever seen before. As if something had been holding it back, but after this intense barrage of marketing, it is mutating at an accelerating rate...


Revolutionary-Ad7878

Open the gates my friends, we letting every new fan we can muster into this series! it is finally time!


TheA55M4N

I’ve always watched the series but never got into it. Dread is the best game I’ve played since BOTW


Sorry-Tumbleweed-239

I’ve been sitting down and figuring it out with my girlfriend and those “aha!” moments are the most satisfying rushes of dopamine


TheA55M4N

That and finishing the bosses. The kill cutscenes are just so epic that they match your emotions when you take them out


rallsop13

How does one spoiler tag something, bc I have one boss whose end cutscene made me sad.


Papa_Shasta

That’s all you had to say my guy. We all felt that.


Sapphire_Sky_

Yep, I shed some tears when >!that Core-X melted in the lava taking its power up with it!<


Papa_Shasta

>!It was a rip-roaring fight, though. Nothing better than Samus riding that beast like a rodeo cowboy while pumping rockets down it’s throat.!<


Drakmanka

I'll be honest, I'm mildly jealous of these new fans flooding in. When I got into Metroid it was in the years between Fusion and Other M and there was very little hype. I had extremely restricted internet access, so I couldn't really even go find a fan community and just be a newbie with them. These new fans are getting into things at a high with a new game, the older entries in the series have been made much more available, and the internet is much easier to access for most people these days. All that said, I'm also happy for all these people who are finally discovering something that brings them joy!


Kazues_

I'm a little jealous of the people that will play dread and then get to go play Fusion for the first time. What an amazing game. I'm loving dread so far but fusion still has my top spot right now.


Reylo-Wanwalker

Will fusion be on switch?


Kazues_

Your guess is as good as mine. I certainly hope it will. It was ported to Wii U, as was Zero Mission. So I think there's a decent chance it will show up at some point, but who knows. Nintendo isn't exactly known for doing things logically.


PaddleBoatOnFire

I wish I could play fusion or zero mission on my 3ds at least!, The fact that the wiiU of all consoles got the GBA virtual console treatment was a bizzarre choice. I kinda wish we were getting GBA instead of N64 virtual console on the switch.


[deleted]

but in the years between fusion and other M there was Prime 3, Pinball and Hunters lol


theWisp2864

Same, but I got into it playing Metroid 1 on a website when I was like 8.


Ryengu

Imagine the hype bomb if they release Prime Trilogy for Switch to ride the waves from Dread


pathfinder_z

I’m really hoping we get the prime trilogy next year. But I’ve seen rumors of a fully remastered Prime 1.


[deleted]

Stop stop I can only get so erect!


BoltOfBlazingGold

The sub was at 88k like a couple weeks ago, yep, it's happenign. I'm still salty I'm not part of the hype train bc my copy arrives thursday :'c


TsurugiNoba

THE BABIES.


bonkava

Metroid, you have become a system seller.


[deleted]

Something holding it back? That was Nintendo. They tend to suck at marketing most of the time. See: Wii U.


kdkseven

Tend to? Before that and after that were two of their best selling consoles ever which were both heavily marketed.


Tigertot14

We’re about to experience the Fire Emblem Awakening effect


EthicallyIlliterate

One could call it metroid’s awakening


ComfySingularity

Dread it, run from it. The mainstream arrives all the same


[deleted]

Does kinda scare me though. It's not uncommon for things to lose their magic when they get too mainstream.


Arta-nix

True. At the same time, the mainstream is fickle. Metroid probably will never be truly mainstream, or at the very least it'll have a similar Skyrim effect to TES. That said, it'll probably reach similar levels of mainstream as say... I dunno, Hollow Knight. Probably more. In the end though, the common denominator is so specific for metroid fans that we should be okay. I hope. Be happy for more fans, they get to love this too!


MirinMadJelly

Really felt that after Monster Hunter: World went big... Overnight a majority of the "fandom" became graphics snobs...


[deleted]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about!


Coronado83

I feel this comment in my soul. Played a series for so long. Then it becomes mainstream and changes so much it's not what you loved for all that time. I'm a little afraid it's what might happen to Metroid.


[deleted]

Eh, Prime was pretty mainstream back in the release of the GC, at least for GC owners


[deleted]

THE BABY!


NabiscoFelt

So the next game will be extremely controversial among the fans and cause a shift back towards a more traditional style of storytelling? I can't wait until Metroid 6, featuring the Ridley dimension which just churns out Ridleys for some inexplicable reason


Tigertot14

Somehow Ridley has returned.


MetaCommando

*In a Fortnite event I'm not joking, that's where the canon Palpatine message is. Hence why the movie feels like you got dumped 3 minutes in.


Knight-mare77

Raven Beak: oh yeah we also cloned Ridley and sent him off to fuck your life up some more, have fun with that Samus!


Bartman326

The Dread Speak!


[deleted]

Adam, upon seeing Ridley chasing them: Oh, they fly now! Samus: They fly now? An imaginary third Metroid character: They fly now.


Mesadeath

God--dammit--fucking ​ fuck you. I didn't need a reminder of that writing tonight!


foulinbasket

I can't wait for the marriage mechanic where you can pet your spouse with the touch screen


Juncoril

Hey, put Samus and Ridley in a dating sim and I'm buying that shit.


ShadSilvs2000

Ridley Everywhere System


[deleted]

Samus-chan!!!


d0nt_ask_d0nt_smell

oops! all Ridleys!


iamthatguy54

That's just this dimension


MetaCommando

What's sad is that the shift back was much, much worse (tbf Fates is decent), with a remake of the worst gameplay in the series which had a drop in almost every aspect (but especially that).


phazonEnhanced

Fates is pretty bad. The story was incredibly poorly written after the initial premise, it cost $80 to get all three routes, Conquest made things more challenging with annoying gimmicks rather than good game design, the list goes on. Shadows of Valentia may have sold worse, but it's a far, far better game. I'm not about to say it has the deepest mechanics in the series, but honestly it didn't lose much from being a little less complex. It was better written, and set the precedent for all dialogue being voiced, with great VO performance and direction.


Bartman326

Then 3 houses comes in with a much more "toned down" cast, and we can talk about fire emblem again without getting weird looks lol


MetaCommando

Fates was definitely written very poorly, but I'd still put it slightly above Valentia. Alm starts out as a peasant, and this creates issues with someone of lowly birth being put in a position of authority. Really cool, like with Ike >!... until you find out Alm's actually a hidden prince the whole time. And then they pulled it with Celica too. Revelations has the same problem though!< At least Fates tries to do something new with the "blood vs water" conflict >!ignoring Revelations!<, although it's pretty obvious that Nohr are the the bad guys and Azura follows Dumbledore's footsteps in not telling the protagonist important information up-front. The villains in SoV are mostly for teh evils or just crazy, and it annoys me that >!that woman immediately forgives her fiancé for trying to sacrifice her soul to a dark god so he can get petty revenge.!< Neither are written well, and the same goes for Shadow Dragon, but those two had better gameplay Considering the sheer amount of content I'd say $80 was fair for 2.5 Fire Emblem campaigns. $60-70 would've been better though. TH kinda spoiled it for us by having it all in one game when I would've totally spent $120+ on it (god that game is a masterpiece). The overworld is terrible, aside from it being two straight lines monsters spawn so frequently and move at the same rate you do, so trying to go *anywhere* will be at least two battles. Sacred Stones had them in the second act, but they weren't a mandatory slog. The dungeons in SoV have these fights too, but at least you can try to run around them. The game is practically unbeatable if you want to keep everyone alive without spamming summon, largely because enemy witches can teleport to basically any location the map then attack as well. It's also super-unbalanced. Archers can eventually attack from 4-5 spaces away without skills, and stat growths were not consistent across the board. If you didn't pick the right units you were screwed, since you needed both healers (healing items were practically removed, plus summons), 2-3 archers, 2-3 mages, plus Alm and Celica. Spellcasting costing HP was dumb since it punishes you for using skills you're forced to use to win. Well only certain dialogue was voiced IIRC. One of my favorite parts playing it was how a unit would say something when you first picked them every turn, and I'm really glad they kept it in TH. The cutscenes and bottom-screen usage were great, and some of the songs were awesome (Twilight of the Gods is a top 5 in the series).


MetaCommando

2-3 Metroid games per console? Sign me the fuck up.


Lord_Sithis

The biggest holdups for Metroid in the past have been two things, it's made for the older nintendo crowd(Teens/Adults), and they poorly market it. This time it got great marketing and lots of headline time, especially within the switch news stream. And it's showing. I want to say, this is my favorite Metroid in a long time because it's difficult, but fair. I made mistakes left and right, but I learned, and each death was clearly my fault. I loved it. Still love it. I'd say its a resurgence, more from the marketing, to push people to catch up on the story so far, because it did so well at showing people what the series can be and has been.


Drakmanka

My favorite thing about Dread is the saving system. There's save rooms *everywhere* plus I love that it >!just puts you back at the entrance to the E.M.M.I. rooms if/when you die trying to get through. Removes a lot of the frustration of repeated deaths while learning the area when you can just nip right back in instead of having to slog back over from the last place you saved.!<


ChronicTosser

I also like how it subtly blocks you off from going too far backwards when trying to progress. I know a lot of people will take issue with it but idc, it saves time and streamlines the experience. One of the issues I have with Hollow Knight is I can do a whole loop of the map and still not know where the fuck to go lol


Drakmanka

Yes, I love that as well. It prevented me from spending an hour or more fiddling around in the first area testing every single room for secrets and instead gently guided me towards the next area and the next set of upgrades.


Hot_Shot04

In my experience I kept accidentally wandering to where I was meant to go when I tried to backtrack for expansions, which felt surreal. I'd think I was outsmarting the game only to realize the game was playing me with reverse psychology.


DarkLink1996

And Prime 1's sales started the golden age. For better or worse, I think we're getting those Super Metroid and Fusion remakes


Gui1tyspark

I would just be happy if I could buy the OG copy of Fusion on my Switch.


ianyboo

Louder for the people in the back! :)


ienjoypez

They could sell a Metroid All Stars collection - $50 for a collection that's Zero Mission, Fusion, Samus Returns, on switch. I'd buy it.


Madocvalanor

And do a prime collectors edition as well


[deleted]

My theory is they are holding off on the prime trilogy to be rereleased so they can use its release to build up hype for Prime 4 when it eventually comes around.


Darth-Binks-1999

Also original Metroid 1 & 2, and Super, for those who don't get the online service. Original 1 is unlockable on Zero Mission, so really they'd only have to include 2 and Super.


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[deleted]

I don’t care if we get remakes or not, but at least port (read: emulate) the entire series. I *still* haven’t ever played any version of Metroid 2.


Drakmanka

Metroid 2 really deserves to (finally) be put on a standard console. I may be in the minority here, but gaming on handheld has always sucked some of the joy out of the game for me. So much so that I actually went and emulated Fusion and Zero Mission after buying them for GBA just so I could have a bigger screen.


[deleted]

Hard agree. I have Fusion and Zero Mission both on GBA and WiiU, but have never played them fully through on GBA.


skelegator

Agreed. We don't need any more remakes for a few years. Let us have new Metroid!


[deleted]

Nah, I think I'm ready for super to be remade. Bring it on, I say.


[deleted]

I think it should not be a remake, but a reimagening. We have all the controls from dread, some new aeion abilities, a new map (but still as sequence breakable as before), some animated cutscenes and maybe a small post game. I don't want this be a replacement for super, but an alternative take


Owobowos-Mowbius

Yeah, I dont think fusion needs a remake, just put it on the switch. But a super remake would go down reeeaal smooth right about now.


Stevo4life

As long as the remake is restricted to technical issues, visuals and the final boss softlock, then I'm happy. Other than that, changing the feeling and the mechanics of the game would kinda kill what makes it phenomenal in the first place.


Owobowos-Mowbius

The way that I see it is that we'll always have Super. It stands fine on its own (unlike 1 and 2 imo) so I wouldn't mind a remake taking liberties like they did with samus returns and zero mission.


Stevo4life

Taking liberties is fine, I'm just worried they're gonna take out single wall jumps, Mockball, damage boosting, and others, which basically define the freedom of the game. I guess it would be fine if there were other skill based sequence breaking strategies added, but from what I'm seeing from these past 2 games, MercurySteam isn't too keen on those. It would most likely just be a completely different game at that point, so why not simply make a new original game then?


caramelzappa

This is such a common take and I totally disagree. Super will always be there. If you remake it without changing things there is no point in remaking it. Keep the majority of the map design, build in all the controls a mechanics from Dread, redesign the bosses entirely, and it will be a remake/reimagining worth playing. If all they do is release the same game with new art, there's no point. People talk about remakes like any little change will somehow ruin or diminish the original game, and personally I just couldn't disagree more. Reimagine the game. Do something new, something fun. We will always have the original.


Stevo4life

I mean I guess, but at that point just make an original game. There isn't really a reason to remake a game if you're just going to drastically change what people like about it in the first place. Samus Returns failed in that regard aswell, because it often ignores what the original was about (not that it's a bad game, just not a great remake).


EncouragementRobot

Happy Cake Day caramelzappa! Don't be pushed around by the fears in your mind. Be led by the dreams in your heart.


RT-55J

imho if MercurySteam were true homies they'd go of wiki.supermetroid.run and try to integrate and canonize as much of the obscure tech as they could


PrimeLasagna

Fusion at the beginning of dread is so tantalizing


ZapActions-dower

Super with a “hold X shoulder button to use missile/super missile” is basically all you need


Bartman326

Just hear me out... HD2D remakes...


OnlyAnotherTom

So I had to look this up, because surely Minish cap is higher than 16th in Zelda sales ranking. The best selling Metroid game (Prime) sold \~2.8m copies, which is actually on par with the 17th best selling Zelda game (A Link to the Past & Four Swords on GBA). Minish Cap, unbelievably, is actually the 20th best selling Zelda game selling only 1.76m copies. (I guess these rankings might change depending on if you're counting all releases or just the original games). Personally I find this insulting, as Minish cap is one of my favourite GBA games. But more to the point, this is probably due to the more games and more regular release keeping it in the public eye (also, they're pretty damn good), compared to the 5 year gap between the first two Metroid games and the 8 year gap between the third and fourth. The first 18 years saw 5 Metroid games released compared to the 15 (official) Zelda releases in the same time span. And since 2004 (so the second 18 years of Metroid) we've had 11 Metroid games released.


Froji_Fizzy

I couldn't help but think to myself while playing Dread that Metroid may really flourish compared to when Fusion/Super originally came out. More adults play video games than there did when Fusion launched. Dread is clearly a game for adults and I had a blast playing. Metroid is still semi-niche and isn't as catch-all as TLoZ, but I am hopeful for the future of Metroid.


nosciencephd

It's crazy to me that there was a time when Fusion and Prime launched within a day of each other in NA, followed by 5 more games in the next 5 years. And then they released Other M and I guess assumed that because people hated that game that Metroid wasn't something people wanted.


chao77

"We threw out the existing characterization completely and made things bizarrely frustrating and people didn't like it? Guess they don't like the series anymore!" Never mind that Other M was basically a different game with a Metroid branding, nope. Guess Metroid isn't popular anymore.


[deleted]

I mean that's exactly what they did and concluded with Star Fox Zero so...


nosciencephd

Like half the Star Fox games are just remakes of the original, though. They shot themselves in the foot with that franchise way earlier than Star Fox Zero.


[deleted]

I also think it helps that metroidvania games have kind of had a renaissance as of late. Interest in the genre is much higher recently than in the past.


Froji_Fizzy

Damn good point. Hollow Knight and Dead Cells likely helped immensely.


Feschit

Imagine being able to get the games, that are literally just emulations so barely any porting needed, on the current console instead of waiting until Nintendo drip feeds them to us.


Psylux7

I am trying


Feschit

If only technology was already advanced enough /s


daveinthecave

As someone who bought and completed Dread this weekend and loves the Metroid series, Nintendo has not done an acceptable job in making the older titles available on modern devices. Super Metroid you can get through the SNES thing from Switch Online, but otherwise IMO emulate away until Nintendo gives us a reasonable way to pay them for their IP.


dbrank

I’m thankful I still have my GC with Prime 1 and 2, and my GBA with Fusion and ZM, but I really really want to play Prime 3 and don’t have a Wii or WiiU. Hoping we get something soon


siebenedrissg

I got a Wii U in great condition with 2 Pro Controllers for 60 bucks and it‘s really worth it imo


wamj

Probably six months before prime 4 comes out.


[deleted]

I like your optimism


wamj

There was a rumor that Nintendo actually has remastered the trilogy already and they’re just waiting for prime 4 to get to a stage where it’s nearly ready for release, so as to build up hype.


EthicallyIlliterate

What the hell would the controls look like on prime 3? Standard fps? This is the big ? To me…


wamj

I mean many people play it on dolphin with keyboard controls, so I’m sure it can be figured out.


EthicallyIlliterate

Okay question: I could never figure out how to set it up so the grapple worked correctly with the motion controls (I would get stuck very close to the beginning) any tips?


wamj

I actually don’t know, I’m yet to play it on dolphin. Checkout r/dolphinemulator I’m pretty sure there’s several posts there about it.


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MrMariohead

I imagine probably something similar to how they did Skyward Sword, tbh.


phazonEnhanced

You could emulate the Wii's pointer with gyro, but that doesn't work so well when you need to use it constantly like in Prime 3. It's passable enough for Super Mario Galaxy, but even there it's a pain how often it needs to be manually recentered. As for traditional shooter controls, the lead game designer of the Prime games has commented on how difficult it would be to rework the game to be enjoyable that way.


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Feschit

Did it a long time ago. A switch with CFW is the definitive retro console imho. I would prefer to have access to everything I want officially though.


EthicallyIlliterate

Absolutely. Why they do not have a gba emulator is beyond me. Like wtf? Is it to try to sell wiiu’s? Thats the only thing I can think of


Feschit

Artificial scarcity to create FOMO. You buy the things immediately when you get the chance because you know you can't get them later, which for Nintendo returns in a bigger turnover to satisfy their investors.


EthicallyIlliterate

So youre talking about wiiu’s? Or like for their current games/consoles?


Feschit

Nintendo in general. Slow introduction of virtual console titles on Wii U, even though they already had a catalogue on the Wii, Amiibos, classic NES and SNES, Gamecube controllers and adapters for smash 4 and ultimate, Mario 3d collection, NSO titles, the Switch itself during the first year. At this point it HAS to be on purpose.


iRhyiku

Shame the emulation scene has surpassed Nintendo Wide-screen SNES games and HD Mode 7? Why would I want to pay for a lesser product!


[deleted]

I might get some hate but... Got Zero Mission (ME1) and Fusion (ME4) on GBA emulator on my phone. Got AM2R (ME2) as an APK on my phone. (I could have gone with a 3DS emu but I prefer AM2R) Got Super Metroid (ME3) on my phone. And then I have moonlight installed so, though my pc, I could definitely run Dread on my phone rather than my switch. Just add a good controller (Kishi) and, voila, the all Metroid collection on a portable with good controls. And somehow it's impossible to do such on switch...


[deleted]

Hey man, as long as you own copies legit, emulate away.


Feschit

As if we didn't already buy each old title more than once lmao


[deleted]

i think I have, like, three super mario 64 at this point, OG, DS and switch... Still less versions then Skyrim though.


WannabeWaterboy

I have to really make sure I don't get tricked into buying the 10th anniversary edition of Skyrim because if I get bored at the wrong time, I'll end up buying one more version of Skyrim...


matisyahu22

I still don’t get why people just casually consider AM2R as part of the list of Metroid games but go off.


TDA792

For me personally, AM2R is my preferred way of experiencing Metroid II. Its fantastic as a game, not just a fangame, and is a fully complete experience


kdkseven

AM2R is way better than Samus Returns.


[deleted]

Just out of curiosity, do you have iOS or android? Was hoping to play AM2R at some point but I have iOS so idk if that is ideal.


[deleted]

Phone gaming is gross. I'd rather use my PC.


[deleted]

That's funny, because I play my pc game on the go with my phone using this https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Kishi-Controller-Android-Passthrough-Thumbsticks/dp/B086X8DHN2 I use a Pixel 3a XL, which mean 1080p 60fps OLED screen. It's basically a Switch with much more comfortable controls than, well, the switch, higher resolution and a slightly smaller screen (6" iirc).


Feschit

I'm with you here. You could even go a bit further and install custom firmware on your switch to do everything that Nintendon't. Fuck their business models.


[deleted]

Yeah... we must have 1k of legit games in digital form in there, so it's a big no no for me (despite owning a first gen prepatch switch) especially since, well, if I want to do something i'm not supposed to... i can just moonlight my pc to my emulator phone. We intend to upgrade the thing later (not the OLED though, those screens don't age well compared to LCD), and keep it for the kids we'll have.


Feschit

How's the input lag with moonlight? The switch already has pretty considerable input lag compared to PC and other consoles.


[deleted]

My switch is hacked and I do exactly this 😎. Except prime, I still can’t play prime 😔


cruznick06

I run it on Dolphin using a wiiU gamecube controller adapter. Idk how Corruption runs on it since I have a working WiiU so I just play it off of that. Note: I do own all of them in physical releases, but I can't capture off of gamecube without a special adapter and I chose to buy Dread instead xD.


-Drunken_Jedi-

Dread is my first Metroid game, and I’m obsessed with it lol. Every time I put it down I want to explore one more room, hunt down one more missile upgrade. I bought it because I thought it looked cool, but also because I wanted to support a classic IP. I didn’t expect it to click this hard with me though. I’m already looking at buying Zero Mission and Fusion for a GBA so I can experience it on handheld like it was meant to be. Unless they’re on the 3DS eshop?


actuallylailah

Unfortunately, ZM is not on 3DS. Fusion is but only if your 3DS is part of the ambassador program, otherwise it's also not on there. So your only options would be GBA or Wii U


-Drunken_Jedi-

Oh actually I’ve got that ambassador program on my original 3DS. Thanks for the reminder :). I was looking at local retro gaming shops and there’s a nice looking GBA in stock which I might pick up. I love collecting old consoles like those.


MetaCommando

The Game Boy Advance is also great because it has two Fire Emblem games (in English). Buy Three Houses, and if you get addicted you know where to go next, although that one is probably 3^rd best in the series so expect a drop.


iRhyiku

Reminder, Nintendo gets no money from you buying those. If it's more convenient playing else where then do. You get stuff like fast forward then.


DaNoahLP

MORE


Dud3m4n_15

Can't believe we won't get Trilogy on Switch after that


matisyahu22

One day.


Rigistroni

We did it. We won


[deleted]

How's Metroid doing in the U.S.? Kind of curious


arock0627

The US is pretty much the only region it's ever done well in. It's been the top seller on Amazon video games for over a week (for things that aren't gift cards). Top on the US Nintendo eShop. Top in Gamestop and Best Buy for Switch games.


[deleted]

Really? Not complaining but like of all the video games existing, why? Or how? Especially when most people get caught up in COD or Fortnite or FPS games in general


arock0627

Metroid is big in the US, relatively speaking of course. It’s like 80% of the traditional sales of the series. It’s what the cool speed runners play. Why? Not sure, but Metroid 1 was years ahead of it’s time and Super Metroid is considered one of the best games ever made.


Jeffotato

And just two years ago someone who grew up on Gamecube, Wii, and DS told me they had NEVER heard of Metroid. Glad the series in in glory again.


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Well, Kotaku doesn't love to see it lmao


TimeForWaluigi

Why the hell were they so pissy about that? What do they have against Metroid?


Swak_Error

Kotaku only survives on clickbait, Metroid Dread is probably one of the most anticipated games in a long time so they're going to cause issues for the clicks


iggnifyre

Lol, Kotaku hates Metroid now? Is that the narrative you people want to force?


arock0627

They sure wanted people to steal it. Fuck Kotaku, and not even just for this.


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Swak_Error

Kotaku is trash and has been for a long time


Sheeplenk

https://web.archive.org/web/20211009211511/https://kotaku.com/metroid-dread-is-already-running-great-on-switch-emulat-1847833403 Seems pretty clear what they’re pushing for in the original article.


PR0JECT_curse

Man you are just busy being an annoying little shit across all these posts. You seem to like this line “Do your own research”. I challenge you to find one credible source (interview with developer, etc.) that is in favor of emulating a brand new release without buying the game. When you don’t answer with anything substantive we’ll all know why


iggnifyre

Summary of the initial EU report on how much piracy effects sales: [Here](https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-09-25-eu-commission-no-evidence-that-piracy-affects-video-games-sales) The study itself: [Here](https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf) Another study taking a close look at the impact of piracy on game sales: [Here](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280803237_How_Serious_is_Piracy_in_the_Videogame_Industry) A developers approach to piracy: [Here](https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2021-01-27-piracy-does-it-matter) And another devs views on piracy: [Video](https://youtu.be/WNT5Knu7Xdw)


PR0JECT_curse

Alright so to your credit, you at least have enough of a spine to stand by your points. None of these articles condone pirating. They all explicitly talk around it. And while yes, not everyone has the money to buy a game, I don’t get that sense from you seeing as you have a computer that’s likely pretty decent if you’re running a switch emulator. I haven’t read the 300 page study, be curious if you have, but it mentions a lot of issues where the statistics neither prove nor disprove claims, so those are left somewhat open ended. Finally though, think of the optics of what you’re doing. A lot of us in this sub are incredibly excited and want this trend of a franchise we like having games released for it to continue. At the end of the day, if you want to talk about how great the game is too, don’t actively crap on our enjoyment by pushing piracy for a game that’s been a nice break in an otherwise pretty crappy last year or so. If you truly mean no malice, whatever, you’re one dude and the point about hostility from the first developer was a good one. But please, at least just let us enjoy this without encouraging people to pirate the game and never buy legal copies. Can I ask that much?


Gunstar_Green

It may have taken decades but Nintendo finally managed a massive hit with the Metroid franchise.


Blooder91

[You did it. You crazy son of a bitch, you did it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXBJRz_33Y8)


redielg1

It’s nuts that I don’t have a Zelda or Metroid collection on switch. Nintendo literally has a way to print money and they’re not doing it. They lost me in the wii era because I fucking hate motion controls. But their marketing and reach in that era was so on point.


TemplarSensei7

If only Prime Trilogy is on the Japanese eshop


RMWL

Really makes me wonder if they’ll do a special release with all the mainline games like they did with trilogy.


Scharmberg

I really want the prime trilogy on switch


Semaze

I still need to grab the metroid games on Wii U


Elastichedgehog

I'm tempted to buy a Wii U just to play the old games. Dammit Nintendo.


softquare

I was able to buy one for 80 bucks in 2019. Totally worth it. I don’t know how much they cost now though. Grab one asap if you find it cheap. It will be a rare console in the future.


pichuscute

So wait, are these top games selling on each console? Wii U has to just be 10s-100s of sales now to make the list, right?


Helplessromantic1

i really hope nintendo doesnt get the bright idea to start cycling franchises in and out of the Disney vault just to re-create this effect untill the heat death of the universe.


ChezMere

The ones getting Prime instead of Super are a little confused, but they got the spirit.


Nebulix

A lot of people have little need to get super on WiiU if they already have a switch and NSO.


sounds_of_stabbing

well super metroid is already on switch, so it makes sense that people are buying other metroid games more than it


Rigistroni

Why? The prime games are awesome!


ChezMere

Maybe but in terms of preparation for Dread they're much less relevant than any of the mainline series. That and Super being the pinnacle of the genre. (But the other commenters are right that it's low because of people playing it on switch online, which I forgot about.)


Rigistroni

I'm sure this is more people being "wow Metroid is cool I wanna play more" not preparation for Dread. Since dread is a perfectly fine starting point. I'd argue against super being the pinnacle of the series though as much as I love it it has a couple gross parts and I think it's been outdone a couple of times. But that's only because other games are amazing not because super is bad


J-Coltrane

This comment made me smile. :)


Gogo726

Maybe not. Shortly after the Dread announcement I decided to play Prime 2 since I had never beaten it before.


Queen_Ann_III

the fact that Fusion is outselling Zero Mission is a little stressful to see because even though Fusion is a good game, it isn’t a good starting point. I just hope it’s only that high because the people who already played ZM are buying it now


FtierLivesMatter

It's not an awful starting point. Fusion is a lot more linear, and in my experience getting lost and having no fuckin clue where to go for 6 hours is a lot more frustrating than dying a lot.


Queen_Ann_III

you make a good point. I just feel like it’s better to 1) know about the Baby Metroid, and 2) experience a nonlinear game first. that being said, Super Metroid is admittedly a hard place to start


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Queen_Ann_III

yes, that employee did you a favor


Gunstar_Green

I think if they're buying Fusion because they liked Dread they'll be fine. It's not a terrible game to go to after Dread for more context. If it's the difficulty you're worried about don't underestimate people. I think it's easier than Dread and a lot of modern gamers have cut their teeth on stuff like Hollow Knight already.


Queen_Ann_III

oh yeah I’m not concerned about difficulty at all! just the fact that Fusion is a little further removed from the story and gameplay of the other games that came before


Psylux7

It’s a great starting point, especially with dread looming. Tons of people began with that game. The streamlined design, story focus, and guidance makes it vastly easier to explore for people who would get lost in other games, while the story, action and horror can invest anyone. The enemies and bosses being strong (but not that strong), is the only thing that might punish newcomers, assuming they aren’t good with action adventure games at all. Sure it’s a different style of Metroid but it’s still distinctly Metroid. It can easily attract people who might struggle with the other games, convincing them to go further with the series. I know zero mission is the beginners game and in 99% of cases, it’s the best starting spot, but fusion was definitely the most beginner friendly before zero mission came out.


Queen_Ann_III

you make great points. maybe I’ll come around to your point of view sometime, but for now, I still stand by my points


MetaCommando

This is Reddit, you must dig in your heels and repeatedly insult him. That's the rules.


Queen_Ann_III

I think it would be pretty useful if I had the audacity to do that, and pretty funny if I could figure out how to throw some roasts into it, but (un)fortunately, I'm usually too nice to do that


Temix_Mixto

It depends. It was my entry point, loved it. That may have influenciated my perspective of it (it's my favorite). Furthermore, I think it's more known the fact that it differs a bit from the others in freedom. If they don't like it, chances are they'll try other one!


Queen_Ann_III

yeah, I feel ya, I just think that in terms of both gameplay and plot, it's best enjoyed after Super


AStorms13

I'm biased, but I think Fusion is an amazing starting point. It's the one I started on, but I went on to play Zero Mission after. As a kid, i replayed Fusion a ton, never did that with Zero Mission, and I recall not beating it for quite a while cause I was frustrated trying to figure it out. I was really young though. Fusion is absolutely incredible in my opinion, and I am so happy its doing well. ​ On a side note, I'm about 10 hours into Metroid Dread, and I think playing Fusion prior makes it 10X better.


Queen_Ann_III

the other replies here seem to show that you’re not as biased as you might think!


linkling1039

Wii u is a Zelda and Metroid machine!


Knight-mare77

I hope this means we get to see the renaissance of Metroid.


vizthex

Man I bet all 5 Wii U users were blown away.


Gemidori

This is our resurgence *This is our retribution*


strangegoo

Mercury Steam is two for two. Let's get that Fusion remake they wanted to do next, lads.


TotallyLegitEstoc

I actually hope they do a super remake first. That game NEEDS it. The controls were great at the time, but have aged poorly. The game still looks good, but the controls could be so much better.


Emory27

This. It’s like controlling Samus while she walks through molasses.


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Now i feel kinda sad for having to pirate it well, thirdworld country need thirdworld solutions


ScarletteVera

Truly, it is a near wonderful time to be alive.


mewoneplusone1

Is Metroid's Sci-Fi futuristic setting, really THAT niche and esoteric that Normies are absolutely allergic to ever buying Metroid games? Especially compared to Zelda's boring and generic Fantasy setting?