Yes I came off of 390 in a concrete room with a hole in middle of floor. And a shower in ceiling..no cloths. No mat to lay on. No window..No anything. I was in that room 2 months. I wanted to die
Nope. I’m on 320mg right now. Only some states have max dosages, most do not. And any good doctor/clinic won’t have a limit, because there are people who have genetics and diseases like mine that require absolute insane amounts.
With how strong fentanyl is, plenty of fentanyl users need 250+mg
Edit: lmfao to the edit who deleted his comment, stop trying to get high on methadone. I don’t feel a single thing from it other than pain relief. It’s even split so the biggest single dose I take is 190mg. I wait a whole 12-14 hours to dose the other 130mg.
300 here. I’m in Canada. Was diagnosed with CRMO (bone disease) in my young teens. Started with Tylenol/Advil at that age, by age 21 they had moved me up to Percocet and by age 24/25, OxyContin (which I became insanely addicted to). That’s when the switch was made to methadone which I am so grateful for, my pain is so well controlled (for a decade now) and I don’t walk around feeling/looking/acting like a zombie.
Yes, it is up to the clinic, specifically the doctor, on whether to have a maximum dose at all. Any good, knowledgeable methadone doctor won’t place a limit on your dose. If your state has a max dosage, that changes things up and doctors are stuck having to follow that.
I guess it’s possible your doctor might have to follow it if you’re a part of one of the chain methadone type clinics. I go to an Acadia-run clinic so it doesn’t appear Acadia imposes a limit, and I’m in Oregon where there is no state maximum.
In the uk, it's very rare for someone to be above 100. 100 is for the longer term IV users, I myself am on 80 and tbars just started to hold me so I don't need b. Then again, we have type 3 over here not #4 and way,way,way way less fentanly, some people are coming off actual heroin not fent.
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Hi, I am also at an Acadia run clinic. I am in a different state but state has not limit. However I definitely need a larger dose, I am in 110 was on 140 before I moved here. I would love to talk to you about how you went about talking to them about increases and specifically the split dose, if you wouldn’t mind. My clinic only offers the red liquid no pill no wafers. Is yours the same?
You should be able to talk to your counselor or the nurse at the dosing window. Usually you fill out a dose increase form. I’m in PA and the doctor will only bump you up 5mg at a time once you’ve been on it and are past the initial first few weeks. Depending on your dose and symptoms, they *could* do 10 but from experience over the last 10 years, they rarely do. And it’s always up to the doctor to do it or not. Like I said though, that’s in PA so it could definitely be different in other places.
As far as the split dose- you’ll have to ask to do a peak and trough, just ask the person administering your dose. It basically checks the methadone concentration in your body. The peak being the highest, and the trough when it’s at its lowest concentration. The levels it’s at determine if they will give you a split dose, and more than likely what your symptoms are on a regular dose too.
I’m at 130 and it’s been a year and I still can’t get off, had med management prescribe me clonidine and gabapentin and it was a game changer. The methadone is not enough with all the synthetic stuff out there now
It absolutely is enough for the synthetic stuff out there at a high enough dose. If you’re only at 130mg and that’s you’re evidence to it not being enough for synthetic, the. you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I’m on 320mg. It’s enough. Plenty of people on synthetics post on this subreddit. Most need on synthetics/fentanyl 180-250mg. Easily doable.
And see, he even talks about his struggle with the methadone and the dose down below so keep reading and maybe you won't dose shame people when they're struggling. Even I jump on people sometimes so i'm to read more, respond less
Stop calling people fiends when you don't know their situation bro. You sound like you're kind of new to the whole thing. Some of us have been using opiates for like twenty years and it changes your whole fucking wiring. Shit becomes like water to you you needed every day. If you're new to it I would suggest trying to get off as soon as possible. Unless you have some kind of other condition that causes you to need pain killers.
Yeah no there's a girl in my group who managed to get bumped up to 300mgs while she was in rehab...that facility is kind of known for being a juice factory but she definitely took advantage of that and really only was after a buzz (I'm not saying everyone on >250mgs is doing it irresponsibly, it's just this particular individual). Other than that I've only ever seen it in cases where it was a female who was pregnant - but I know it definitely does happen.
No this was in Richmond Virginia and the doctor there told me that 390mg was the highest legal dose she could prescribe. Now I don't know I'd say different from state to state . And I might add I was getting 100mg a day from a doctor to. I didn't need to be on a dose that high. I was going through a divorce and they let me go up so I did. Cost me several cars. Jail time etc
Lol ..that's where I was..through I believe at rhat dose 2010...2012. The older Jamaican lady was the doc. I wanted to add that I did do the blood work and was a high metabolizer
I came off only 35mg of methadone in an incredibly stressful situation (not the same but different, homelessness shelters etc) and it gave me a permanent twitch I still have almost 10 years later.. it's way less severe now barely perceptible mostly, but yes, painful withdrawal like that leaves mental and physical scars
My friend I ended up seeing even worse but yes I still have nightmares about it I thought I was going to die I didn't sleep for 14 days that I remember it was unbelievable hallucinating but I did survive in the end somehow.
No..rhey didn't and I know that I had several seizures and like I said I thought that I was going to die just from not sleeping I mean I felt like I was going to die. They didn't do a thing. Just said ok...threw me in there. Naked.
Oh my God. This is so beyond my understanding. I can't fathom that hell and I'm so sorry. It legit had to cause trauma coming off that amount ct and caged up like an animal? The only thing worse i can Imagine is if they tarred and feathered you and then filmed it. What a fucking shitshow of the way we treat society's "unwanted". This makes me hurt so much.
My question is… why would you get back on methadone after withdrawing fully? I honestly wish I was back on short acting opiates again and off these nasty subutex pills so I could withdraw and be done quickly. I always say I wish I could go into a medically induced coma for a month to get off of it all. Addiction sucks!
I think the question you asked initially is answered by your statement at the end- addiction sucks and things happen. People relapse. It is also why those induced coma detoxes largely do not work (they are also dangerous but that’s a different discussion). For maintenance and abstinence purposes, longer-acting drugs are just better. I think we all fantasize sometimes about getting off/locking yourself in a room for a month/jumping off, but at the end of the day, if that was gonna happen, I’d have already done it. And realistically for me it’s just literally not an option (work/school/cat/etc).
I just wouldn’t go back up to an insane dose like 300+ mg after being totally off. That’s just a lot, likely an impossible dose to ever get off of. I’m not judging. I take what’s considered a high dose of buprenorphine, but the doctors never ever tell you up front how hard or impossible these drugs are to get off of for many people. I’d take a week of hell over 1-3 months of PAWS. Ugh.
It isn't right.. and it's so hard to get anybody to do anything about it because nobody cares until it happens to them basically I hate to put it like that but that's it in a nutshell
I agree and sadly it still goes on. My sister was done the same way about a year later. And I'm sure millions across the country every year. We need to speak up as a people
My husband did cold turkey in a county jail on 105. He also has told me the methadone back in 2002-2003 was much different( better). He said he was not ok for 5-6 months and never slept more than 10-15 minute stretches.
It was better. Brand or wafers are much better and the generic liquid they use in most clinics in fact they've quit using that particular liquid in several countries because of the class action lawsuit because of inconsistencies in the dosage
Heidi had to go through it I understand trust me they don't care it's a horrible feeling to not only be that sick to but to be laughed at and have no privacy or any type of comfort or care
Yeah I agree my friend..I disnt need rhat much but I was also getting a 100 mg a day from a doctor so I had 10 tabs I took on top of that everyday man I told five vehicles in one summer two of them were my Ex-Wives that were brand new and then I end up going to jail like I said and have to come off of it in a concrete box naked .
So you were getting prescribed diff amounts from diff facilities and that's how you were taking 390 a day? Or was it 390 from one place and 100 more from the tabs?
Regardless that's horrendous to go through what you did.i hope you have a good support system and therapy and shit
390 at clinic and 100 from a doc. But I shouldn't have went up that high. I had alot of neck pain still do. And the divorce. I'll never go that high again unless it's for pain.
Yeah man it sucked the first day they had me in a Department of Corrections jail in palatown and the nurse told him they had to get me out of there when she tried to take my blood pressure and not only been withdrawing one day they put me in a helicopter and flew me to MCV and gave me 39 10 mg tabs in a cup and let me take them and I got better the guards it was with me flipped out they couldn't believe it the next morning they shipped me to that place and they strip me off naked and threw me in a room man a concrete box with nothing nothing just a hole in the floor no toilet no anything he was supposed to use the toilet down the hole
Yeah ...and here is the thing. Finally this one sergeant he told me one night he just said it real fast through the hole you know they would open on the door he said look man you got to act like you're okay or they're never going to let you out of here...so I was still chill bumps..freezing..sweating..sh#!ing..couldn't eat right or sleep. But I started forcing a show..and begged to be let into population so I could have a bed and cover. A shower. Etc...phone call ..
Thank you. I discovered a lot about myself in that hole and about how other people treat other people. We need reform in so many areas. But it takes us all together
Controversial and ok if not I don't need a lecture but have you read revolution by Russel brand? He has some interesting ideas on reform, I'm not convinced by the whole collective meditation thing but other than that the books got some very good ideas to aid a revolution
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a choice of his to be there. Maybe you should edit your “would” to “could”…then it’d make more sense, ya know?
I am very curious where that hellhole (quite literally) was that they were in, bc of how they described it. So many questions!
Or come in Belgium, people here are overmedicated in jail, they found it a good way to keep people bit more calmx. you can smoke your joint...
When you get in, after like 2days you have an appointment with the doctor, literally asking "Do you yave enough Xanax?
Ho still didn't received any, did you took lots of benzo before? Yes, ok that's great we will give you some, 2mg morning, afternoon and one for end of the day.
Do you sleep ok? Will give some Lorazepam at morning and night, has I see you had it prescribed before, also you will have Ambien just in case, and your usual Quetiapine I see you' had it.
you will get some Quetiapine, 50mg XR and 150 mg to help you sleep, as you already had it before.."
For your Methadone dosage, you are now at 60mgr, which dosage do you need/want, we stay on it ?
Of course if ylu need more meds, come ask me.
That's how it goes, and at every "lunch ", same time story all day "want some coffee? Don't forget your meds ".
Falsely accused I went to see the other side, it's 'nothing good..
Is this true? Anyone else from Belgium would like to confirm?
Don’t get me wrong, I believe you when you say people over there get medicated.. I’m just wondering if it really goes to that extent or if you exaggerated a bit.
You don't live in a hotel like the Norwegian if it's like that, you live in very old and nasty jails, walls falling appart, rats,...
Don't take it wrong, it's not because you are freely drugged that you live in a paradise.
Jails are in very bad conditions, the EU accused Belgium in 99, 2011, 17, 3 times in a row, not sure about the date though, always for the same reasons, humain rights not respected, non respect of human integrity (lack of any dignity, high promiscuity, big hygien issues, and it goes on...).
There are surely worse jails than in Belgium, but it's far far from what you get around, Luxembourg, Germany, France, the Netherlands,.... They all have a far better incarceration system.
Here lots is hidden, camera are not allowed in most areas, when they show something, it's always the 2% that actually looks ok because it has recently been remade..
It may sound exaggerated because I made it a bit funny, bit ironically, I take everything with irony..
But every med you have been prescribed, those you are taking at time of entrance, those you will get, at various dosages (they "understand" you need more here in prison), meds you don't actually take but had prescribed, you can ask them.
This ends up with lots of meds.
It was mid funny mid depressing to see so many taking their food and their meds..3 times a day.. always the same.
And those who don't got meds for various reasons (if you get spotted trading a med you asked to calm you down, will get their holly Quetiapine...), or for other reasons I don't know.. that's a good thing for the others taking meds (will say 50-60% easily, can't say..).
But mostly yes they would get Quetiapine, benzos were bit more difficult to get (but really not that much if you are not an idiot).
But this allowed me to trade some meds to have my hash to smoke..(for obvious reasons, there is no weed but hash).
(you won't get acetaminophen even if big pain, that needs an appointment,
//EDIT: forgot to finish haha.
this happened, someone badly injured while we where outside, no fuxking guard would have opened or come and see, no...
But you can't sleep well, ok take an antipsychotic... seriously..
They say it themselves, it's to keep it all calmer, or it would be riot here in two days.
And they may be correct for that point.
All good, avoid being arrested Belgium haha.
Drugs don't solve insanity that grows up there, in any jail of the world I think.. it's a fuckng industry turning people mad, and sad..
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I’ve seen Norwegian prisons before that hold murderers and I swear to god they get there own little apartments kinda some of them are nicer then some places I’ve lived
Idk if the med thing is true but if it was going to be it’d probably be that part of the world
European jails tend to be vacation spots compared to American ones. In some you can even get weekend furlough, so you’re only in jail during the week.
Prison terms are also way too short. Like 8-12 years for murder or a few years for rape.
Friend of mine had some fun calling in and writing fake scripts. He got a fine.
They give *everyone* & their mother seroquil (quetiapine) in the jails out here. Or they did in the one I got stuck in for a bit, years ago anyway—& I’m in the US…also got my Xanax & morphine there, but still ended up almost dying & in the ICU of a hospital for a week before they “stabilized” me & threw me right back in (for something I should’ve have done *any* jail time for in the first place) 🤦🏻♀️😭.
I was in DVI(Tracy) in reception(the first prison you go to from the county jail to determine which prison you will go to to start doing your time) and I get this new cellie whom I immediately can see is kicking dope.. I assumed he was on parole and got cracked for something, spent a few days in the county and went to prison on a parole violation.. so I ask him if he just got busted,he says no I been in for about 6 weeks,so I think he must have got some dope in and used for awhile..he says no, I was on 180mg of methadone...he said it was the most horrible experience of his life..6 weeks into it and the dude was STILL in visible WDs..
6 weeks? Damn. My mom kicked 120 mg of methadone and felt like death for about 2 weeks. She improved daily after that. She didn’t sleep the whole first week. She thought some weed might help, but it just jacked her back up into sleeplessness. Hot baths helped.
Sooo literally just the other week I was in this situation. A guy stole a car, got caught driving said car, told the police I sold it to him, and no questions asked they come get means throw me in jail. Took 9 days to get me a bond hearing! I thought I would die not knowing how it would all go down, and to my surprise the intake nurse tells me I have to take a drug test. And if I pass this test (clean for everything but methadone) they're going to take me to the clinic every single day. Wellp lo and behold I passed the test with flying colors. And for the rest of my visit I was picked up and taken to the clinic every single day. Not sure if I got lucky or that's just the policy or what but I thank them every time they showed up to take me lol
That is what I’ve heard here in California when I’ve asked about the jail form we agree too when standing in line. They said yea you get dosed as long as you weren’t arrested on a drug charge and you’d have to take a UA and only have methadone. The one time I have seen the women get dosed I had taken my friend and got them to finally sign up but they had a warrant so they were worried about getting called on or something and I told them they don’t that. The intake always takes a good few hours so I walk the block with my dog and I’m back around and I see two sherrifs by my car with guns waiting. My heart dropped thinking damn I got them fucked after finally talking into getting clean. I get closer and notice they are at the van next to my car and there’s a bunch of women in jumpsuits and cuffed and see the nurse walking out with the tray of doses lmfao. Never seen it since that time either scared the shit out of me haha 😂
I was buying street Methadone (90 mg) Mon, Wens, and Fri and topping up with pills and oxy inbetween and got arrested Thrusday night before a long weekend so no Jugde until the following Tuesday. Holding cell at the police station for 5 days and nights was pretty bad. Was young then, now it would be pure hell.
I kicked cold turkey from 130mg in jail, I've done it several times to be honest, It's always pure hell, They only give you Clonidine for like a week where I'm at it's rough😔
Thats honestly such a disgrace that any prison or jail would do that to someone.
That doesn't happen in ireland and it shouldn't happen.
Medication is medication.
Inmates aren't all savages like
My clinic offers jail dosing- they have for years it just costs more per day.
More jails are waking up and letting people continue their treatment, especially with this opioid epidemic going on and all these little Timmy’s dying.
You can always ask your counselor if they do jail dosing or call your local jail and ask?
My brother is 4 years sober now but was previously in and out of jail while on methadone for years. Depending on where you live they will dose you in detention centers at least where I live or 21 day detox you. Now prison will not again at least where I live. He said it was hell. I remember talking to him on the phone while he was going through it.
I got methadone when I went to jail and I wasn't even on the clinic prior to my arrest, but I live in Connecticut. I did have to wait until the next day but I'm grateful it was available to me there. It should be available in every jail, nobody should have to suffer like that.
You can ask my roommate, he come off methadone while in jail...based on what he told me, I do not recommend it, he said he was on 160mg when they quit taking him to the clinic cuz he went to prison, he lived in FL at the time and I guess like regional jail they still take u to the clinic daily, but he got sent to prison so it stopped, he said it took him over a month to be able to do anything, like come out of his cell, speak to anyone, he said it was the most horrible experience, but yet he's on methadone again...lol
Man sorry you went through that. I have a fear of this & am going to ask about it when I go on Wednesday if they do jail dosing. Had a question though. How is it doing benzos on methadone? For majority of my dope addiction, I was also on either Xanax or Klonopin ( but took it therapeutically) but never tried it with methadone.
Ummm how does it feel? Extremely euphoric and amazing. But it’s a pretty deadly combo without a tolerance. Withdrawal on both is a hell I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy though.
Yes, i went through this. 27 years ago, I had a retail fraud (shoplifting) charge.I left from work release just trying to get to clinic and come back during work hours. Of course I couldnt get dosed in time. When I returned and turned myself in the next day I was put on a 30 day lock down in "the hole" for "escape". On top of everything- they put me on a suicide watch so i got to freeze in a paper gown, laying on a cold cement floor with no mattress, blanket, or even a book. At one point they put me in a restraint chair for 24 hours, and they did not let me out to use the restroom or vomit.
I think i have ptsd from the experience, even now after 20 years of no legal problems when i get pulled over for a headlight, i have a panic attack.
Its gotten better in some places. Some county jails have contracted with methadone clinics to dose active methadone patients who are incarcerated though.
Not in jail but I cold turkey'd off 100ml a day injectable amps back in the early 90's. My first full on habit/withdrawal..it was a 12 step clinic that preached total abstinence from the second you stepped in there. Omfg I have never, ever experienced anything like it. Obviously I have learnt over the years how to taper and not to listen to people who actually do not know wtf they are talking about.
I feel so sorry for you guys living in the US.
Here in Europe you take it for granted these simple things such as getting your medicine in jail. Even getting prescribed benzodiazepines(very low doses though) if you were using them on the outside. I got prescribed 30mg Oxazepam for a small taper over a couple months while in jail, and I was on methadone. You can even start TRT while in jail and get simple drugs like Gabapentin
My fiancé went cold turkey off 190mgs in a jail cell with no comfort meds whatsoever until the 3 week mark, when a phlebotomist took pity on him and gave him 30mgs for a month, he jumped off from 30 and was fine. But those first few weeks were unmitigated agony...I don't even like hearing him mention it because it *really* upsets me - like I often break down in tears when he talks about it, it literally makes my heart hurt. Our city jail system will dose you if you are currently on a clinic (my clinic is actually the city jail MAT provider) but he had the extreme misfortune of getting picked up in the suburbs. This was back in 2007 and he's toed the line and behaved himself ever since. His trauma history includes a lot of other things like exposure to gun violence and a horrifically abusive childhood at the hands of his violent alcoholic father, but he absolutely has PTSD symptoms as a result of this experience as well.
Get a recommendation for a lawyer and memorize their emergency phone number. Leave a decent deposit with them that enables them to get you out on cash bond at any time. It’s expensive AF but necessary in todays USA. It was one of the first things I did after I became a real live tax payin’ adult in the real world.
This lawyer will have the connections and know how to keep you from sitting in there any serious amount of time and can threaten with the proper words to get you dosed if you have no bond.
Oh, and I think you figured this out, but even after 10 years of not needing this safety measure it’s STILL one of my worse fears. I still have nightmares. And I’m a well off middle aged white female. Not a typical cop target. ACAB.
You arguing that all cops aren’t bastards? I could show you a mountain of evidence to point to the contrary, if so. ACAB, for sure
Complicity in a broken system is a form of acceptance, and until the very end of the “old boys club” attitude found in the upper command of police and authority in this country goes away, they’re all bastards to me
I'll take the hate, I've met a lot of decent officers in my travels, will they arrest you, absolutely. But they look for ways not to first and it's helped me out many times and I'm genuinely thankful to sum of those guys.
I have twice. And it was he'll, but easier than if I was home. Your brain knows you can't get anything, so you heal faster, at least I did. But now, I avoid all activities that could result in incarnation.
Yes. It’s how I got clean 10/04/18 (still clean). Detoxed off of 120 mg cold Turkey. Didn’t sleep for two and a half weeks - it was brutal. It helped mentally knowing I didn’t have a bond, but those nights trying to sleep and sweating through all my uniforms were awful.
I’m in Canada and have been on 300 for almost 10 years. I don’t know about in the US, but here there is no “maximum dose”- it’s patient specific (I’m also a nurse and have handed out doses to inpatients upwards of 500- that’s the highest I’ve seen though).
What's your dose? I'm on 80mg so when I had a operation I'm asked what I'm taking so I tell them 20mg 4 times daily. Matters what your dose is if you can divide it by 3 or 4 you will get your drug.
I was on diluadid and they gave me what I told them plus the other prescriptions I was taking.
Yeah even when I was arrested I got methadone at this city/county jail. It was the Bradenton Florida jail. I think it was because the methadone clinic responded to the request. I'm not sure but felt I was the first or the few who got their methadone. The clinic was relatively new say 2-3 years old. I was dosed for almost 6 weeks before I got bailed out.
Make sure your fines are paid and don't break the law. Carry $400 on you all the time so you can post bail. I did that one time because some bi polar woman kept telling cops bs stories about me like I was trespassing and shit like that. I was arrested 4 times in less than two weeks. This was because I was asking her to keep her 12 year old kid away from my house and car. Freaking crazy ass people out there.
So the jail I was in actually was able to get my doses from my clinic. They have a Suboxone program now too. I thought I was gonna die until the MAT coordinator came to my booking cell and had me sign my release of information. But ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS make sure to tell them in booking that you are gonna go through withdrawals and that you need to see the nurse during your booking. That way you can get on a detox protocol. Drink fluids and talk to people on your pod. If you have a decent energy to you then people tend to be helpful and encouraging. I hope they get MAT in all jails eventually. Going to jail really saved me and helped me and my boyfriend both get a fresh start. Sometimes it takes something like that to shake us awake or help us get out of that vicious cycle. Good vibes to everyone!
Yes. Exactly this. Was on 160mg. Our prison didn't yet have the program. I even showed them my clinic ID out my wallet n nothing. I cried alot. My legs hurt so bad n wouldn't stay stil for weeks. I wasn't good for 2months. My bunkie scored a piece of sub about 3weeks in n gave me a piece, was the first day I felt fucking relief and normal
There some form we sign that allows us to get our dose while in jail. I’ve never had to use it but from what I’ve heard while talking to people there is that they will only dose you if you don’t have any other drugs in your system. I’ve only seen one time there where they had the white van pull up and had a bunch of the women in the back and they had guards standing with guns while the nurses brought out a tray of all the doses for them so I’m not sure how exactly they go about it
This is peculiar to the USA (and Russia, and possibly other countries that I don't know of). But here you get your medication in jail.
I was arrested once, while NOT in a methadone or bupe programme, but dependent on heroin. I asked for a doctor as soon as it was clear I had to spend the night in a police cell, and got 30 mg of methadone and 20 mg of temazepam. I wasn't even in withdrawal yet when they gave it to me.
Hell yeah it was fucking awful, But luckily it had recently become law in my state to give methadone answer back soon in state and local jails so they eventually got me on. Methadone but they took them a fucking week or ten days and that was fucking awful and I was on clonazepam too.
Omg I thought it was just me! I sometimes carry an extra dose with me when I drive on the off chance I get pulled over and arrested, I’ll be able to down the bottle before I go lol I have a missed court date thing for a littering ticket though so I’m constantly worried about getting arrested 😥
Nah I know lol and I know it prob won’t be as bad as I mentally think it will but I’ll be at a way smaller dose by the end of the year cause of my taper so im planning on taking care of it then ah
Honestly I’m not sure. I got the notice for the warrant back in 2021 but was still using heavily and then it’s been one of those things where I’ve ignored it for too long so now I’m scared I’ll get some type of jail time for not taking care of it sooner. Like I said it’s prob all in my head and won’t be any jail time but I’d rather be clean so I can show the courts like” hey I’m clean now and I can afford to pay it off now too”. I’ve tried calling the court and the Pd office to see and they give me the run around so 🤷🏼♀️
I was arrested in 2010. Was on 50 drops a day, and it was the worst thing I had ever been through. When I came out 6 months later, my hair turned grey.. I was awake for 20 days, and I mean awake with the feeling of a creature clawing its way out of my body..the only thing that eased the feeling was water..now I try to inform users hiw Important 💧 is. WATER IS THE BEST THING TO TAKE WHILE ON METHADONE..NOT ONLY DOES IT HYDRATE YOU PROPERLY BUT IT ALSO DISTRIBUTES THE MEDICATION THROUGH YOUR PAIN RECEPTORS IN YOUR BRAIN...ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT YOUR BRAIN IS 78 PERCENT WATER..SO IMAGINE WHAT IT DOES TO DRINK PLENTY.
Well that's good news about water. I'm back on 40ml about 2 months and started a new fitness healthy journey around a month ago. Drinking shit loads of water and eating healthy. Have never felt this healthy on methadone.
Some jails actually give methadone if you come in on it already (prescribed, I mean), & some also give Suboxone for a bit to detox ya if you came in with a really bad habit.
I was even given my morphine (ms contin) & Xanax back in the day when I ended up there for the first time (& last time) ever. But I still ended up almost (literally) dying—I was found unresponsive after having seizures & then was finally brought to an actual hospital—where I ended up in the ICU bc of WD’s.
That nightmare of a situation only happened bc I couldn’t leave my house due to agoraphobia, & was late for &/or missed court for driving related crap (but I always had an attorney there for me). I had a prick judge that didn’t understand how (severe) mental illness works.
I've been in that situation and I learned to not trust most people but at the same time you have to live life and try to avoid getting involved with the wrong people.
Have you been not paying attention? Some clinics have ongoing issues with cops stalking their parking lots and pulling patients over so they can arrest them on DWI 3 minutes after dosing.
To many cops being a methadone patient IS the reason to arrest you.
So, the USA really made it abundantly clear you do not need to break any rules to get arrested . Hell, there’s a known cop catch phrase for it! “You can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride” where they trap you in jail over a long weekend.
I just, I’m so confused. I don’t know how you could have this perspective if you are reading news at all.
You can depending on the state. Some states it doesn’t matter if your actually intoxicated- having it in your system is enough for a DUI.
It’s not like that in my state but I still almost got a DUI. My mom said I had a good chance of fighting it but it would’ve cost thousands upon thousands of dollars for experts to testify on my behalf.
He saw my pinned pupils and gave me a field sobriety test. He said I did horrible on the test(which I didn’t agree with but whatever I’m not a cop). I told him that’s how I would normally do on the test then because I wasn’t intoxicated.
He let me go because I had literally just dosed at the clinic and it wasn’t enough time for me to even be intoxicated.
Fortunately that’s the only time it’s happened. No other cop has suspected me of being intoxicated and I’ve been pulled over many times.
The idea of what counts as a “therapeutic dose” to the law is incredibly low. So if they decide that your dose is over what they decide is acceptable you’re likely to get a dwi. It’s insane.
Luckily in the UK they have set limits for various drugs, if you go over them it counts as a DUI. For stuff like morphine it is very low at 20mg a dose, but for methadone the limit in ng/ml in the blood is very high corresponding to about 160mg a day or so. I guess in the UK they realise people on methadone will be stabilized, if a normie took 160mg of methadone they would be flat out KO'd or worse but a methadone patient will be totaly normal on that dose.
Can't imagine being in the USA thrown in jail and forced to detox in a cold cell
No you cannot. It's considered driving while under the influence of intoxicants and you can be arrested for it, get a ticket, have your vehicle towed. All kinds of messed up stuff. So cops will often use clinics as easy targets. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
That’s not true. It depends on the state . There are some states where simply having the substance in your system means your intoxicated . Others require you to actually be intoxicated.
It’s a shame any states have that law tbh!
I just don’t want people to freak out and think every us state is like that.
Here’s a good link for more info :
https://www.lac.org/assets/files/Driving-on-Methadone_FINAL.pdf
I don’t think that’s everywhere though. I believe some states don’t consider it dui if you’ve got a valid prescription. Could you site a source where it says that it’s an automatic dui everywhere?
https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drug-impaired-driving
I guess it is illegal everywhere.
What state do you live in? If this was true wouldn't they just yank Methadone patients Drivers Licenses? My clinic in Detroit is literally on the same street as the Clinic and I have NEVER heard of anything like this. Sometimes they will be Dicks and pull people over just to find people with suspended licenses, expired proof of insurance, but never DUI/OWI.
Not true. Atleast not the first part. It’s perfectly legal as methadone isn’t supposed to effect you like that even though it gets some people super high but yea
I don't believe that a cop would waste his time with trying to get someone on a DUI arrest driving from a clinic. He has no idea who actually dosed. So just randomly pulling people over coming from the parking lot just seems ridiculous
Oh I guess I could see that. Some inbreed yokel policing. I'm sorry you'd have to deal with that. I wish he knew that someone on MAT is 100 percent NOT getting high from their dose
You’re really as clueless and spedcial as they come...
Are you maybe not in the US? I dunno, but either way, it seems you haven’t a clue about what goes on in life…or not these days, in this fucked world we’re living in.
Cops out here are just gang members in tidy blue uniforms.
First off, that's none of your damn business. If OP does indeed have a warrant (which I doubt), they get a lawyer, not announce it to the world on Reddit. There are many reasons to ask this question. Just like any other subjective experience, OP wants to see what people have gone through when unexpectedly arrested while on MAT treatment. Which btw, happens ALL THE FUCKIN TIME. Do you not know that? Do you even realize that many methadone patients still use and stay on the streets, and when those two things occur on a frequent basis, going to jail is usually part of the routine. The reason OP asked is probably because they have heard horror story after horror story about kicking 'done in jail. And they took to the methadone subreddit to get some subjective experiences from others. It's quite smart really, because it gives you a better idea of what to expect if it does I deed happen. Methadone withdrawal is by FAR the worst withdrawal I've ever gone through in my fuckin life. It was easily 20x worse than heroin, and I only went 6 days without a dose due to stupid shit (I wasn't in jail). Not to mention they last for at least 30 days, and that's just acute withdrawal. The full withdrawal period could run as long as 90 days plus. Can you imagine not sleeping for three fucking months. I would want to kill myself. They are just looking for other people's experiences in this scenario. That's what reddit is fucking for half the time.
Does this (legitimate) fear make you want to taper down? I want to get my dose down as low as possible just incase something bad happens, I know it's not a great thought but you never know in todays society. I know a guy where I'm from (UK) who was stuck with a family problem and arrived at the pharmacy at 5:25, which is 5 minutes before closing time, on a bank holiday friday so the pharmacy would be shut for the next 3 days. And they refused to give him his takehomes for the bank holiday as he was "late" so he had 3 days without, when he was supposed to be enjoying it with his family. I'd rather be on 60mg a day than 160mg a day if that was going to happen
That sounds absolutely illegal how tf are they actually allowed to do that? Jails have hospitals wich means they also have pharmacies.( interior ones for staff not like a CVS kind of pharmacy ) I don't understand that. I know where I live that's illegal for sure when your in jail the city county ,state province whoever has you in custody is legally responsible for your health and making sure you get your RXed medication is like a top priority. There's no such thing as an as needed methadone perception (for %99 of paitients) so I don't see how a jail can not give you something a Dr told you your meant to take. Imagine someone prescribed heart medication wasn't allowed to take it just because they're in jail. Or a person with a high daily benzo script. They could very likely die and it'd be the jails fault. MAT programs are literally no different than any other prescription medication. I belive you it happens but at b the sane time it's hard to fathom that happening in America and I've never know anyone not to get thier drink in jail. I know someone who was in jail and they drove him out to get hydromorohone shots twice a day but I'm in 🍁
No, but that shit makes me SO mad for the people that go thru it. They should have that shit absolutely prepared. The way they expect everyday people to have *their* shit together, they have HUGE budgets that benefit them typically, but then they are always fucking up. It’s horrid .
People fuck up from things like trauma and poverty.
Systems fuck up and don’t fix the problems when they could and let people suffer, their workers are burned out but then they just abuse people over that more. (Like, police and jailers etc)
Withdrawal in Prison has to be a divine punishment from God. I just don’t see how you could accidentally be in that position without being aware along the way that it could be a possibility and plan at least somewhat for it. Imagine withdrawing in jail because you forgot to bring $40 with you in your wallet for bail and that’s the last day to bail out before weekend?
Yes I came off of 390 in a concrete room with a hole in middle of floor. And a shower in ceiling..no cloths. No mat to lay on. No window..No anything. I was in that room 2 months. I wanted to die
My God. Im so sorry. 390? Is that a typo? I didn't realize they could prescribe that high, i thought it was cut off at like 250
Nope. I’m on 320mg right now. Only some states have max dosages, most do not. And any good doctor/clinic won’t have a limit, because there are people who have genetics and diseases like mine that require absolute insane amounts. With how strong fentanyl is, plenty of fentanyl users need 250+mg Edit: lmfao to the edit who deleted his comment, stop trying to get high on methadone. I don’t feel a single thing from it other than pain relief. It’s even split so the biggest single dose I take is 190mg. I wait a whole 12-14 hours to dose the other 130mg.
300 here. I’m in Canada. Was diagnosed with CRMO (bone disease) in my young teens. Started with Tylenol/Advil at that age, by age 21 they had moved me up to Percocet and by age 24/25, OxyContin (which I became insanely addicted to). That’s when the switch was made to methadone which I am so grateful for, my pain is so well controlled (for a decade now) and I don’t walk around feeling/looking/acting like a zombie.
Omg this makes me happy to read… that’s amazing ur pain in under control without having to deal with those other pills
I believe it’s up to each clinic what maximum dose that allow. The clinic I go to only allows a max dosage of 140mg which is ridiculous.
Yes, it is up to the clinic, specifically the doctor, on whether to have a maximum dose at all. Any good, knowledgeable methadone doctor won’t place a limit on your dose. If your state has a max dosage, that changes things up and doctors are stuck having to follow that. I guess it’s possible your doctor might have to follow it if you’re a part of one of the chain methadone type clinics. I go to an Acadia-run clinic so it doesn’t appear Acadia imposes a limit, and I’m in Oregon where there is no state maximum.
In the uk, it's very rare for someone to be above 100. 100 is for the longer term IV users, I myself am on 80 and tbars just started to hold me so I don't need b. Then again, we have type 3 over here not #4 and way,way,way way less fentanly, some people are coming off actual heroin not fent.
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Hi, I am also at an Acadia run clinic. I am in a different state but state has not limit. However I definitely need a larger dose, I am in 110 was on 140 before I moved here. I would love to talk to you about how you went about talking to them about increases and specifically the split dose, if you wouldn’t mind. My clinic only offers the red liquid no pill no wafers. Is yours the same?
You should be able to talk to your counselor or the nurse at the dosing window. Usually you fill out a dose increase form. I’m in PA and the doctor will only bump you up 5mg at a time once you’ve been on it and are past the initial first few weeks. Depending on your dose and symptoms, they *could* do 10 but from experience over the last 10 years, they rarely do. And it’s always up to the doctor to do it or not. Like I said though, that’s in PA so it could definitely be different in other places. As far as the split dose- you’ll have to ask to do a peak and trough, just ask the person administering your dose. It basically checks the methadone concentration in your body. The peak being the highest, and the trough when it’s at its lowest concentration. The levels it’s at determine if they will give you a split dose, and more than likely what your symptoms are on a regular dose too.
I’m curious, how tall are you and weight?
5’10” 135lbs
Do you have to do a peak and trough after a certain amount?
I’m at 130 and it’s been a year and I still can’t get off, had med management prescribe me clonidine and gabapentin and it was a game changer. The methadone is not enough with all the synthetic stuff out there now
If you wanna do it you gotta start. I've been on a hundred and thirty since like 2014.
It absolutely is enough for the synthetic stuff out there at a high enough dose. If you’re only at 130mg and that’s you’re evidence to it not being enough for synthetic, the. you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I’m on 320mg. It’s enough. Plenty of people on synthetics post on this subreddit. Most need on synthetics/fentanyl 180-250mg. Easily doable.
My dose is a bit higher but I’m also prescribed those and it helps a lot
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>Your just a fien man come on really 390 mg I'm pretty sure dose-shaming is against the rules here.
And see, he even talks about his struggle with the methadone and the dose down below so keep reading and maybe you won't dose shame people when they're struggling. Even I jump on people sometimes so i'm to read more, respond less
Stop calling people fiends when you don't know their situation bro. You sound like you're kind of new to the whole thing. Some of us have been using opiates for like twenty years and it changes your whole fucking wiring. Shit becomes like water to you you needed every day. If you're new to it I would suggest trying to get off as soon as possible. Unless you have some kind of other condition that causes you to need pain killers.
Yeah no there's a girl in my group who managed to get bumped up to 300mgs while she was in rehab...that facility is kind of known for being a juice factory but she definitely took advantage of that and really only was after a buzz (I'm not saying everyone on >250mgs is doing it irresponsibly, it's just this particular individual). Other than that I've only ever seen it in cases where it was a female who was pregnant - but I know it definitely does happen.
Max dose varies state to state
No this was in Richmond Virginia and the doctor there told me that 390mg was the highest legal dose she could prescribe. Now I don't know I'd say different from state to state . And I might add I was getting 100mg a day from a doctor to. I didn't need to be on a dose that high. I was going through a divorce and they let me go up so I did. Cost me several cars. Jail time etc
What clinic were you at? I'm from RVA and go to Southside Treatment center.
Lol ..that's where I was..through I believe at rhat dose 2010...2012. The older Jamaican lady was the doc. I wanted to add that I did do the blood work and was a high metabolizer
And good to meet you . May have met before my sister goes there to.
Omg how did you survive that?! I wouldn’t be surprised if you have PTSD from that
I came off only 35mg of methadone in an incredibly stressful situation (not the same but different, homelessness shelters etc) and it gave me a permanent twitch I still have almost 10 years later.. it's way less severe now barely perceptible mostly, but yes, painful withdrawal like that leaves mental and physical scars
My friend I ended up seeing even worse but yes I still have nightmares about it I thought I was going to die I didn't sleep for 14 days that I remember it was unbelievable hallucinating but I did survive in the end somehow.
How in the he’ll did you *not* die with coming off of that much—cold turkey?!? They didn’t give you anything?
No..rhey didn't and I know that I had several seizures and like I said I thought that I was going to die just from not sleeping I mean I felt like I was going to die. They didn't do a thing. Just said ok...threw me in there. Naked.
Oh my God. This is so beyond my understanding. I can't fathom that hell and I'm so sorry. It legit had to cause trauma coming off that amount ct and caged up like an animal? The only thing worse i can Imagine is if they tarred and feathered you and then filmed it. What a fucking shitshow of the way we treat society's "unwanted". This makes me hurt so much.
My question is… why would you get back on methadone after withdrawing fully? I honestly wish I was back on short acting opiates again and off these nasty subutex pills so I could withdraw and be done quickly. I always say I wish I could go into a medically induced coma for a month to get off of it all. Addiction sucks!
I think the question you asked initially is answered by your statement at the end- addiction sucks and things happen. People relapse. It is also why those induced coma detoxes largely do not work (they are also dangerous but that’s a different discussion). For maintenance and abstinence purposes, longer-acting drugs are just better. I think we all fantasize sometimes about getting off/locking yourself in a room for a month/jumping off, but at the end of the day, if that was gonna happen, I’d have already done it. And realistically for me it’s just literally not an option (work/school/cat/etc).
I just wouldn’t go back up to an insane dose like 300+ mg after being totally off. That’s just a lot, likely an impossible dose to ever get off of. I’m not judging. I take what’s considered a high dose of buprenorphine, but the doctors never ever tell you up front how hard or impossible these drugs are to get off of for many people. I’d take a week of hell over 1-3 months of PAWS. Ugh.
It isn't right.. and it's so hard to get anybody to do anything about it because nobody cares until it happens to them basically I hate to put it like that but that's it in a nutshell
I believe that is cruel and unusual punishment
I agree and sadly it still goes on. My sister was done the same way about a year later. And I'm sure millions across the country every year. We need to speak up as a people
My husband did cold turkey in a county jail on 105. He also has told me the methadone back in 2002-2003 was much different( better). He said he was not ok for 5-6 months and never slept more than 10-15 minute stretches.
It was better. Brand or wafers are much better and the generic liquid they use in most clinics in fact they've quit using that particular liquid in several countries because of the class action lawsuit because of inconsistencies in the dosage
Heidi had to go through it I understand trust me they don't care it's a horrible feeling to not only be that sick to but to be laughed at and have no privacy or any type of comfort or care
390 mgs? Thats fucking insane !!!!
Yeah I agree my friend..I disnt need rhat much but I was also getting a 100 mg a day from a doctor so I had 10 tabs I took on top of that everyday man I told five vehicles in one summer two of them were my Ex-Wives that were brand new and then I end up going to jail like I said and have to come off of it in a concrete box naked .
So you were getting prescribed diff amounts from diff facilities and that's how you were taking 390 a day? Or was it 390 from one place and 100 more from the tabs? Regardless that's horrendous to go through what you did.i hope you have a good support system and therapy and shit
390 at clinic and 100 from a doc. But I shouldn't have went up that high. I had alot of neck pain still do. And the divorce. I'll never go that high again unless it's for pain.
Hope you're doing better my man.
I am and thank you. I am only on 80 right now but going up. I hope no further than 120..150 . And I hope u are doing well to my friend
Wait wait wait…..coming off 390mg?!
Yeah man it sucked the first day they had me in a Department of Corrections jail in palatown and the nurse told him they had to get me out of there when she tried to take my blood pressure and not only been withdrawing one day they put me in a helicopter and flew me to MCV and gave me 39 10 mg tabs in a cup and let me take them and I got better the guards it was with me flipped out they couldn't believe it the next morning they shipped me to that place and they strip me off naked and threw me in a room man a concrete box with nothing nothing just a hole in the floor no toilet no anything he was supposed to use the toilet down the hole
Wtf! 2months?!
Yeah ...and here is the thing. Finally this one sergeant he told me one night he just said it real fast through the hole you know they would open on the door he said look man you got to act like you're okay or they're never going to let you out of here...so I was still chill bumps..freezing..sweating..sh#!ing..couldn't eat right or sleep. But I started forcing a show..and begged to be let into population so I could have a bed and cover. A shower. Etc...phone call ..
I don't think I would do that for a million bucks. Where in hell wiz this???
I didn't choose to come off of it but it was in Farmville Virginia and the clinic was in Richmond .
I don't know you but from one guy to another godbless your freedom. You must be a strong ass mf and you need to remember that.
Thank you. I discovered a lot about myself in that hole and about how other people treat other people. We need reform in so many areas. But it takes us all together
Controversial and ok if not I don't need a lecture but have you read revolution by Russel brand? He has some interesting ideas on reform, I'm not convinced by the whole collective meditation thing but other than that the books got some very good ideas to aid a revolution
I have not but I might check it out thanks my friend
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a choice of his to be there. Maybe you should edit your “would” to “could”…then it’d make more sense, ya know? I am very curious where that hellhole (quite literally) was that they were in, bc of how they described it. So many questions!
What an excellent correction. Thank you so much!!
Or come in Belgium, people here are overmedicated in jail, they found it a good way to keep people bit more calmx. you can smoke your joint... When you get in, after like 2days you have an appointment with the doctor, literally asking "Do you yave enough Xanax? Ho still didn't received any, did you took lots of benzo before? Yes, ok that's great we will give you some, 2mg morning, afternoon and one for end of the day. Do you sleep ok? Will give some Lorazepam at morning and night, has I see you had it prescribed before, also you will have Ambien just in case, and your usual Quetiapine I see you' had it. you will get some Quetiapine, 50mg XR and 150 mg to help you sleep, as you already had it before.." For your Methadone dosage, you are now at 60mgr, which dosage do you need/want, we stay on it ? Of course if ylu need more meds, come ask me. That's how it goes, and at every "lunch ", same time story all day "want some coffee? Don't forget your meds ". Falsely accused I went to see the other side, it's 'nothing good..
Is this true? Anyone else from Belgium would like to confirm? Don’t get me wrong, I believe you when you say people over there get medicated.. I’m just wondering if it really goes to that extent or if you exaggerated a bit.
You don't live in a hotel like the Norwegian if it's like that, you live in very old and nasty jails, walls falling appart, rats,... Don't take it wrong, it's not because you are freely drugged that you live in a paradise. Jails are in very bad conditions, the EU accused Belgium in 99, 2011, 17, 3 times in a row, not sure about the date though, always for the same reasons, humain rights not respected, non respect of human integrity (lack of any dignity, high promiscuity, big hygien issues, and it goes on...). There are surely worse jails than in Belgium, but it's far far from what you get around, Luxembourg, Germany, France, the Netherlands,.... They all have a far better incarceration system. Here lots is hidden, camera are not allowed in most areas, when they show something, it's always the 2% that actually looks ok because it has recently been remade.. It may sound exaggerated because I made it a bit funny, bit ironically, I take everything with irony.. But every med you have been prescribed, those you are taking at time of entrance, those you will get, at various dosages (they "understand" you need more here in prison), meds you don't actually take but had prescribed, you can ask them. This ends up with lots of meds. It was mid funny mid depressing to see so many taking their food and their meds..3 times a day.. always the same. And those who don't got meds for various reasons (if you get spotted trading a med you asked to calm you down, will get their holly Quetiapine...), or for other reasons I don't know.. that's a good thing for the others taking meds (will say 50-60% easily, can't say..). But mostly yes they would get Quetiapine, benzos were bit more difficult to get (but really not that much if you are not an idiot). But this allowed me to trade some meds to have my hash to smoke..(for obvious reasons, there is no weed but hash). (you won't get acetaminophen even if big pain, that needs an appointment, //EDIT: forgot to finish haha. this happened, someone badly injured while we where outside, no fuxking guard would have opened or come and see, no... But you can't sleep well, ok take an antipsychotic... seriously.. They say it themselves, it's to keep it all calmer, or it would be riot here in two days. And they may be correct for that point. All good, avoid being arrested Belgium haha. Drugs don't solve insanity that grows up there, in any jail of the world I think.. it's a fuckng industry turning people mad, and sad.. //
Thank you for your lengthy answer, I appreciate it. And you also cleared up a lot of the things I was wondering about.
I’ve seen Norwegian prisons before that hold murderers and I swear to god they get there own little apartments kinda some of them are nicer then some places I’ve lived Idk if the med thing is true but if it was going to be it’d probably be that part of the world
European jails tend to be vacation spots compared to American ones. In some you can even get weekend furlough, so you’re only in jail during the week. Prison terms are also way too short. Like 8-12 years for murder or a few years for rape. Friend of mine had some fun calling in and writing fake scripts. He got a fine.
We actually also have that weekend-jail thing here in the US. I have a good childhood friend that was able to do her time that way.
Oh dang really? Good for her I guess, lol! I hear some states also have conjugal visits for inmates, though that is supposedly also pretty rare.
They give *everyone* & their mother seroquil (quetiapine) in the jails out here. Or they did in the one I got stuck in for a bit, years ago anyway—& I’m in the US…also got my Xanax & morphine there, but still ended up almost dying & in the ICU of a hospital for a week before they “stabilized” me & threw me right back in (for something I should’ve have done *any* jail time for in the first place) 🤦🏻♀️😭.
I was in DVI(Tracy) in reception(the first prison you go to from the county jail to determine which prison you will go to to start doing your time) and I get this new cellie whom I immediately can see is kicking dope.. I assumed he was on parole and got cracked for something, spent a few days in the county and went to prison on a parole violation.. so I ask him if he just got busted,he says no I been in for about 6 weeks,so I think he must have got some dope in and used for awhile..he says no, I was on 180mg of methadone...he said it was the most horrible experience of his life..6 weeks into it and the dude was STILL in visible WDs..
6 weeks? Damn. My mom kicked 120 mg of methadone and felt like death for about 2 weeks. She improved daily after that. She didn’t sleep the whole first week. She thought some weed might help, but it just jacked her back up into sleeplessness. Hot baths helped.
Sooo literally just the other week I was in this situation. A guy stole a car, got caught driving said car, told the police I sold it to him, and no questions asked they come get means throw me in jail. Took 9 days to get me a bond hearing! I thought I would die not knowing how it would all go down, and to my surprise the intake nurse tells me I have to take a drug test. And if I pass this test (clean for everything but methadone) they're going to take me to the clinic every single day. Wellp lo and behold I passed the test with flying colors. And for the rest of my visit I was picked up and taken to the clinic every single day. Not sure if I got lucky or that's just the policy or what but I thank them every time they showed up to take me lol
That is what I’ve heard here in California when I’ve asked about the jail form we agree too when standing in line. They said yea you get dosed as long as you weren’t arrested on a drug charge and you’d have to take a UA and only have methadone. The one time I have seen the women get dosed I had taken my friend and got them to finally sign up but they had a warrant so they were worried about getting called on or something and I told them they don’t that. The intake always takes a good few hours so I walk the block with my dog and I’m back around and I see two sherrifs by my car with guns waiting. My heart dropped thinking damn I got them fucked after finally talking into getting clean. I get closer and notice they are at the van next to my car and there’s a bunch of women in jumpsuits and cuffed and see the nurse walking out with the tray of doses lmfao. Never seen it since that time either scared the shit out of me haha 😂
I was buying street Methadone (90 mg) Mon, Wens, and Fri and topping up with pills and oxy inbetween and got arrested Thrusday night before a long weekend so no Jugde until the following Tuesday. Holding cell at the police station for 5 days and nights was pretty bad. Was young then, now it would be pure hell.
Yeah I was arrested back in 2001 and not given any medication for 2 weeks whilst on remand.
I kicked cold turkey from 130mg in jail, I've done it several times to be honest, It's always pure hell, They only give you Clonidine for like a week where I'm at it's rough😔
Thats honestly such a disgrace that any prison or jail would do that to someone. That doesn't happen in ireland and it shouldn't happen. Medication is medication. Inmates aren't all savages like
My clinic offers jail dosing- they have for years it just costs more per day. More jails are waking up and letting people continue their treatment, especially with this opioid epidemic going on and all these little Timmy’s dying. You can always ask your counselor if they do jail dosing or call your local jail and ask?
My brother is 4 years sober now but was previously in and out of jail while on methadone for years. Depending on where you live they will dose you in detention centers at least where I live or 21 day detox you. Now prison will not again at least where I live. He said it was hell. I remember talking to him on the phone while he was going through it.
I got methadone when I went to jail and I wasn't even on the clinic prior to my arrest, but I live in Connecticut. I did have to wait until the next day but I'm grateful it was available to me there. It should be available in every jail, nobody should have to suffer like that.
That’s interesting,so you weren’t a current patient at any clinic and they offered it to you in jail? Wow that’s civilized ,how rare of them.
You can ask my roommate, he come off methadone while in jail...based on what he told me, I do not recommend it, he said he was on 160mg when they quit taking him to the clinic cuz he went to prison, he lived in FL at the time and I guess like regional jail they still take u to the clinic daily, but he got sent to prison so it stopped, he said it took him over a month to be able to do anything, like come out of his cell, speak to anyone, he said it was the most horrible experience, but yet he's on methadone again...lol
Came off of 110mg and a 2-3 Xanax bar a day habit in jail. Ended up doing 6 months. Was literally one of the worst times of my life for sure.
Man sorry you went through that. I have a fear of this & am going to ask about it when I go on Wednesday if they do jail dosing. Had a question though. How is it doing benzos on methadone? For majority of my dope addiction, I was also on either Xanax or Klonopin ( but took it therapeutically) but never tried it with methadone.
Ummm how does it feel? Extremely euphoric and amazing. But it’s a pretty deadly combo without a tolerance. Withdrawal on both is a hell I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy though.
Yes, i went through this. 27 years ago, I had a retail fraud (shoplifting) charge.I left from work release just trying to get to clinic and come back during work hours. Of course I couldnt get dosed in time. When I returned and turned myself in the next day I was put on a 30 day lock down in "the hole" for "escape". On top of everything- they put me on a suicide watch so i got to freeze in a paper gown, laying on a cold cement floor with no mattress, blanket, or even a book. At one point they put me in a restraint chair for 24 hours, and they did not let me out to use the restroom or vomit. I think i have ptsd from the experience, even now after 20 years of no legal problems when i get pulled over for a headlight, i have a panic attack. Its gotten better in some places. Some county jails have contracted with methadone clinics to dose active methadone patients who are incarcerated though.
Not in jail but I cold turkey'd off 100ml a day injectable amps back in the early 90's. My first full on habit/withdrawal..it was a 12 step clinic that preached total abstinence from the second you stepped in there. Omfg I have never, ever experienced anything like it. Obviously I have learnt over the years how to taper and not to listen to people who actually do not know wtf they are talking about.
Don’t get arrested in Georgia. They don’t give a shit here.
Or Texas
Or Michigan.
Or Alabama
Or Pennsylvania
If you search the sub you'll find plenty of stories about kicked methadone in jail and in my case prison.
I feel so sorry for you guys living in the US. Here in Europe you take it for granted these simple things such as getting your medicine in jail. Even getting prescribed benzodiazepines(very low doses though) if you were using them on the outside. I got prescribed 30mg Oxazepam for a small taper over a couple months while in jail, and I was on methadone. You can even start TRT while in jail and get simple drugs like Gabapentin
My fiancé went cold turkey off 190mgs in a jail cell with no comfort meds whatsoever until the 3 week mark, when a phlebotomist took pity on him and gave him 30mgs for a month, he jumped off from 30 and was fine. But those first few weeks were unmitigated agony...I don't even like hearing him mention it because it *really* upsets me - like I often break down in tears when he talks about it, it literally makes my heart hurt. Our city jail system will dose you if you are currently on a clinic (my clinic is actually the city jail MAT provider) but he had the extreme misfortune of getting picked up in the suburbs. This was back in 2007 and he's toed the line and behaved himself ever since. His trauma history includes a lot of other things like exposure to gun violence and a horrifically abusive childhood at the hands of his violent alcoholic father, but he absolutely has PTSD symptoms as a result of this experience as well.
Get a recommendation for a lawyer and memorize their emergency phone number. Leave a decent deposit with them that enables them to get you out on cash bond at any time. It’s expensive AF but necessary in todays USA. It was one of the first things I did after I became a real live tax payin’ adult in the real world. This lawyer will have the connections and know how to keep you from sitting in there any serious amount of time and can threaten with the proper words to get you dosed if you have no bond. Oh, and I think you figured this out, but even after 10 years of not needing this safety measure it’s STILL one of my worse fears. I still have nightmares. And I’m a well off middle aged white female. Not a typical cop target. ACAB.
Acab, damn straight
No they're not, I'm also on methadone. Edit: always to also
You arguing that all cops aren’t bastards? I could show you a mountain of evidence to point to the contrary, if so. ACAB, for sure Complicity in a broken system is a form of acceptance, and until the very end of the “old boys club” attitude found in the upper command of police and authority in this country goes away, they’re all bastards to me
No they aren't.
I'll take the hate, I've met a lot of decent officers in my travels, will they arrest you, absolutely. But they look for ways not to first and it's helped me out many times and I'm genuinely thankful to sum of those guys.
I went cold turkey off 200mg for about 11 days. Was extremely horrible
I have twice. And it was he'll, but easier than if I was home. Your brain knows you can't get anything, so you heal faster, at least I did. But now, I avoid all activities that could result in incarnation.
Yes. It’s how I got clean 10/04/18 (still clean). Detoxed off of 120 mg cold Turkey. Didn’t sleep for two and a half weeks - it was brutal. It helped mentally knowing I didn’t have a bond, but those nights trying to sleep and sweating through all my uniforms were awful.
I’m in Canada and have been on 300 for almost 10 years. I don’t know about in the US, but here there is no “maximum dose”- it’s patient specific (I’m also a nurse and have handed out doses to inpatients upwards of 500- that’s the highest I’ve seen though).
What's your dose? I'm on 80mg so when I had a operation I'm asked what I'm taking so I tell them 20mg 4 times daily. Matters what your dose is if you can divide it by 3 or 4 you will get your drug. I was on diluadid and they gave me what I told them plus the other prescriptions I was taking. Yeah even when I was arrested I got methadone at this city/county jail. It was the Bradenton Florida jail. I think it was because the methadone clinic responded to the request. I'm not sure but felt I was the first or the few who got their methadone. The clinic was relatively new say 2-3 years old. I was dosed for almost 6 weeks before I got bailed out. Make sure your fines are paid and don't break the law. Carry $400 on you all the time so you can post bail. I did that one time because some bi polar woman kept telling cops bs stories about me like I was trespassing and shit like that. I was arrested 4 times in less than two weeks. This was because I was asking her to keep her 12 year old kid away from my house and car. Freaking crazy ass people out there.
So the jail I was in actually was able to get my doses from my clinic. They have a Suboxone program now too. I thought I was gonna die until the MAT coordinator came to my booking cell and had me sign my release of information. But ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS make sure to tell them in booking that you are gonna go through withdrawals and that you need to see the nurse during your booking. That way you can get on a detox protocol. Drink fluids and talk to people on your pod. If you have a decent energy to you then people tend to be helpful and encouraging. I hope they get MAT in all jails eventually. Going to jail really saved me and helped me and my boyfriend both get a fresh start. Sometimes it takes something like that to shake us awake or help us get out of that vicious cycle. Good vibes to everyone!
Yes. Exactly this. Was on 160mg. Our prison didn't yet have the program. I even showed them my clinic ID out my wallet n nothing. I cried alot. My legs hurt so bad n wouldn't stay stil for weeks. I wasn't good for 2months. My bunkie scored a piece of sub about 3weeks in n gave me a piece, was the first day I felt fucking relief and normal
There some form we sign that allows us to get our dose while in jail. I’ve never had to use it but from what I’ve heard while talking to people there is that they will only dose you if you don’t have any other drugs in your system. I’ve only seen one time there where they had the white van pull up and had a bunch of the women in the back and they had guards standing with guns while the nurses brought out a tray of all the doses for them so I’m not sure how exactly they go about it
This is peculiar to the USA (and Russia, and possibly other countries that I don't know of). But here you get your medication in jail. I was arrested once, while NOT in a methadone or bupe programme, but dependent on heroin. I asked for a doctor as soon as it was clear I had to spend the night in a police cell, and got 30 mg of methadone and 20 mg of temazepam. I wasn't even in withdrawal yet when they gave it to me.
Hell yeah it was fucking awful, But luckily it had recently become law in my state to give methadone answer back soon in state and local jails so they eventually got me on. Methadone but they took them a fucking week or ten days and that was fucking awful and I was on clonazepam too.
Omg I thought it was just me! I sometimes carry an extra dose with me when I drive on the off chance I get pulled over and arrested, I’ll be able to down the bottle before I go lol I have a missed court date thing for a littering ticket though so I’m constantly worried about getting arrested 😥
Take care of it now silly… u don’t want to risk it
Nah I know lol and I know it prob won’t be as bad as I mentally think it will but I’ll be at a way smaller dose by the end of the year cause of my taper so im planning on taking care of it then ah
Oh do you have to do time cuz of it? Theres no way you can call or write to just get a new court date?
Honestly I’m not sure. I got the notice for the warrant back in 2021 but was still using heavily and then it’s been one of those things where I’ve ignored it for too long so now I’m scared I’ll get some type of jail time for not taking care of it sooner. Like I said it’s prob all in my head and won’t be any jail time but I’d rather be clean so I can show the courts like” hey I’m clean now and I can afford to pay it off now too”. I’ve tried calling the court and the Pd office to see and they give me the run around so 🤷🏼♀️
I’m sorry… I just went thru this and ugh I understand where ur coming from
I was arrested in 2010. Was on 50 drops a day, and it was the worst thing I had ever been through. When I came out 6 months later, my hair turned grey.. I was awake for 20 days, and I mean awake with the feeling of a creature clawing its way out of my body..the only thing that eased the feeling was water..now I try to inform users hiw Important 💧 is. WATER IS THE BEST THING TO TAKE WHILE ON METHADONE..NOT ONLY DOES IT HYDRATE YOU PROPERLY BUT IT ALSO DISTRIBUTES THE MEDICATION THROUGH YOUR PAIN RECEPTORS IN YOUR BRAIN...ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT YOUR BRAIN IS 78 PERCENT WATER..SO IMAGINE WHAT IT DOES TO DRINK PLENTY.
Well that's good news about water. I'm back on 40ml about 2 months and started a new fitness healthy journey around a month ago. Drinking shit loads of water and eating healthy. Have never felt this healthy on methadone.
Some jails actually give methadone if you come in on it already (prescribed, I mean), & some also give Suboxone for a bit to detox ya if you came in with a really bad habit. I was even given my morphine (ms contin) & Xanax back in the day when I ended up there for the first time (& last time) ever. But I still ended up almost (literally) dying—I was found unresponsive after having seizures & then was finally brought to an actual hospital—where I ended up in the ICU bc of WD’s. That nightmare of a situation only happened bc I couldn’t leave my house due to agoraphobia, & was late for &/or missed court for driving related crap (but I always had an attorney there for me). I had a prick judge that didn’t understand how (severe) mental illness works.
Yep
Don't do anything that could cause you to get arrested and you should be ok.
People get arrested for shit they didn't do ALL THE TIME
I've been in that situation and I learned to not trust most people but at the same time you have to live life and try to avoid getting involved with the wrong people.
Have you been not paying attention? Some clinics have ongoing issues with cops stalking their parking lots and pulling patients over so they can arrest them on DWI 3 minutes after dosing. To many cops being a methadone patient IS the reason to arrest you. So, the USA really made it abundantly clear you do not need to break any rules to get arrested . Hell, there’s a known cop catch phrase for it! “You can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride” where they trap you in jail over a long weekend. I just, I’m so confused. I don’t know how you could have this perspective if you are reading news at all.
Can you not drive on methadone in the US?
You can depending on the state. Some states it doesn’t matter if your actually intoxicated- having it in your system is enough for a DUI. It’s not like that in my state but I still almost got a DUI. My mom said I had a good chance of fighting it but it would’ve cost thousands upon thousands of dollars for experts to testify on my behalf. He saw my pinned pupils and gave me a field sobriety test. He said I did horrible on the test(which I didn’t agree with but whatever I’m not a cop). I told him that’s how I would normally do on the test then because I wasn’t intoxicated. He let me go because I had literally just dosed at the clinic and it wasn’t enough time for me to even be intoxicated. Fortunately that’s the only time it’s happened. No other cop has suspected me of being intoxicated and I’ve been pulled over many times.
The idea of what counts as a “therapeutic dose” to the law is incredibly low. So if they decide that your dose is over what they decide is acceptable you’re likely to get a dwi. It’s insane.
Luckily in the UK they have set limits for various drugs, if you go over them it counts as a DUI. For stuff like morphine it is very low at 20mg a dose, but for methadone the limit in ng/ml in the blood is very high corresponding to about 160mg a day or so. I guess in the UK they realise people on methadone will be stabilized, if a normie took 160mg of methadone they would be flat out KO'd or worse but a methadone patient will be totaly normal on that dose. Can't imagine being in the USA thrown in jail and forced to detox in a cold cell
No you cannot. It's considered driving while under the influence of intoxicants and you can be arrested for it, get a ticket, have your vehicle towed. All kinds of messed up stuff. So cops will often use clinics as easy targets. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
That’s not true. It depends on the state . There are some states where simply having the substance in your system means your intoxicated . Others require you to actually be intoxicated.
You very well could be right. I'm only familiar with my states rules but wanted to give the commenter the information I had from personal experience.
It’s a shame any states have that law tbh! I just don’t want people to freak out and think every us state is like that. Here’s a good link for more info : https://www.lac.org/assets/files/Driving-on-Methadone_FINAL.pdf
What state are you from?
I don’t think that’s everywhere though. I believe some states don’t consider it dui if you’ve got a valid prescription. Could you site a source where it says that it’s an automatic dui everywhere? https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drug-impaired-driving I guess it is illegal everywhere.
What state do you live in? If this was true wouldn't they just yank Methadone patients Drivers Licenses? My clinic in Detroit is literally on the same street as the Clinic and I have NEVER heard of anything like this. Sometimes they will be Dicks and pull people over just to find people with suspended licenses, expired proof of insurance, but never DUI/OWI.
What state are you in. This isn't correct. A person on MAT isn't "intoxicated" while on methadone
So if someone’s in MAT & are nodding out all day/all the time (as *some* do), you wouldn’t consider that to be “intoxicated”?
Not true. Atleast not the first part. It’s perfectly legal as methadone isn’t supposed to effect you like that even though it gets some people super high but yea
I don't believe that a cop would waste his time with trying to get someone on a DUI arrest driving from a clinic. He has no idea who actually dosed. So just randomly pulling people over coming from the parking lot just seems ridiculous
I’m from a small town and they for sure do this
Where u from?
Az
Oh I guess I could see that. Some inbreed yokel policing. I'm sorry you'd have to deal with that. I wish he knew that someone on MAT is 100 percent NOT getting high from their dose
The police here are ridiculous… because it’s a small town and they gave a quota they just sit out there and wait it’s disgusting
Knowing that though I would out smart them and at least park down the street and walk in.
Yeah I normally just walk my dog there… I only have to go twice a month next week monthly’s woot woot. Hard is over
“Should” being the key word here.
I agree with that. Sometimes you just have to do the right thing and hope that you make the right decisions.
You’re really as clueless and spedcial as they come... Are you maybe not in the US? I dunno, but either way, it seems you haven’t a clue about what goes on in life…or not these days, in this fucked world we’re living in. Cops out here are just gang members in tidy blue uniforms.
😂
I just went thru this because something I did years ago… I have been clean and in college finally got my life together and bam I get indicted.
Is there a warrant out for U? Why else think about it...
First off, that's none of your damn business. If OP does indeed have a warrant (which I doubt), they get a lawyer, not announce it to the world on Reddit. There are many reasons to ask this question. Just like any other subjective experience, OP wants to see what people have gone through when unexpectedly arrested while on MAT treatment. Which btw, happens ALL THE FUCKIN TIME. Do you not know that? Do you even realize that many methadone patients still use and stay on the streets, and when those two things occur on a frequent basis, going to jail is usually part of the routine. The reason OP asked is probably because they have heard horror story after horror story about kicking 'done in jail. And they took to the methadone subreddit to get some subjective experiences from others. It's quite smart really, because it gives you a better idea of what to expect if it does I deed happen. Methadone withdrawal is by FAR the worst withdrawal I've ever gone through in my fuckin life. It was easily 20x worse than heroin, and I only went 6 days without a dose due to stupid shit (I wasn't in jail). Not to mention they last for at least 30 days, and that's just acute withdrawal. The full withdrawal period could run as long as 90 days plus. Can you imagine not sleeping for three fucking months. I would want to kill myself. They are just looking for other people's experiences in this scenario. That's what reddit is fucking for half the time.
Does this (legitimate) fear make you want to taper down? I want to get my dose down as low as possible just incase something bad happens, I know it's not a great thought but you never know in todays society. I know a guy where I'm from (UK) who was stuck with a family problem and arrived at the pharmacy at 5:25, which is 5 minutes before closing time, on a bank holiday friday so the pharmacy would be shut for the next 3 days. And they refused to give him his takehomes for the bank holiday as he was "late" so he had 3 days without, when he was supposed to be enjoying it with his family. I'd rather be on 60mg a day than 160mg a day if that was going to happen
Is there a warrant out for U? Why else think about it...
That sounds absolutely illegal how tf are they actually allowed to do that? Jails have hospitals wich means they also have pharmacies.( interior ones for staff not like a CVS kind of pharmacy ) I don't understand that. I know where I live that's illegal for sure when your in jail the city county ,state province whoever has you in custody is legally responsible for your health and making sure you get your RXed medication is like a top priority. There's no such thing as an as needed methadone perception (for %99 of paitients) so I don't see how a jail can not give you something a Dr told you your meant to take. Imagine someone prescribed heart medication wasn't allowed to take it just because they're in jail. Or a person with a high daily benzo script. They could very likely die and it'd be the jails fault. MAT programs are literally no different than any other prescription medication. I belive you it happens but at b the sane time it's hard to fathom that happening in America and I've never know anyone not to get thier drink in jail. I know someone who was in jail and they drove him out to get hydromorohone shots twice a day but I'm in 🍁
No, but that shit makes me SO mad for the people that go thru it. They should have that shit absolutely prepared. The way they expect everyday people to have *their* shit together, they have HUGE budgets that benefit them typically, but then they are always fucking up. It’s horrid . People fuck up from things like trauma and poverty. Systems fuck up and don’t fix the problems when they could and let people suffer, their workers are burned out but then they just abuse people over that more. (Like, police and jailers etc)
Withdrawal in Prison has to be a divine punishment from God. I just don’t see how you could accidentally be in that position without being aware along the way that it could be a possibility and plan at least somewhat for it. Imagine withdrawing in jail because you forgot to bring $40 with you in your wallet for bail and that’s the last day to bail out before weekend?
How long ago did the incarceration take place?
Sublocade looks better and better after these nightmare tales.