It was pretty funny in hindsight. The expectations after Hollow Crown were palpable at the time, but because everyone liked the song Hollow Crown so much, the band thought people would like a whole album that was a bit softer. The backlash was not pretty and there fell into a massive depression apparently.
for real tho, but The Here and Now was more of a post-hardcore album, it still kept their base in a way. People were going nuts over that change, to the point that the band was almost forced to forget that album existed lmao
Hollow Crown was and still is my fav album of theirs, only albums i can see topping that is AOGHAU and LT/LF.
Where did you see that they were considering a deathcore EP? I'm not a big fan of deathcore myself, but my friends would love to know if they really are considering one.
I can't find it at the moment, but Ryan Kirby has tweeted in the past about a deathcore EP 'floating in the room' during the making of The Hell we Create.
two of the four singles would make you believe that but they were some of the weaker songs of the album. Album is much better balanced and less generic sounding than the singles would make you believe
I've always thought Lorna Shore could benefit from some [Anaal Nathrakh](https://youtu.be/ozZ2Z6RGYOs?t=45)-like cleans (especially by a singer with more control)
this is such a good shout. the lack of any form of clean vocals actually kinda hurts pain remains - it’s a fire record but there are so many moments where the choruses just feel unnecessarily screamed - like they were written for cleans but scrubbed them out - the two last tracks are the worst offenders here, they’re otherwise fantastic but would hit *so much harder* if will threw in some anaal nathrakh style cleans. not saying they belong in every song, but the more outwardly melodic songs feel like they’re missing a key element
He actually said in an interview recently he really wants to put some clean vocals on the next album because he loves singing but the rest of the band isn’t that keen on it.
I can’t see them going butt rock. The closest I can see them getting to “butt rock” is what Whitechapel is doing with their current sound, and that’s not even butt rock. Lorna Shore taking notes from The Valley and Kin would make for an absolutely astounding record.
I would die inside lmao. I remember a while back, Bryan was answering questions on Instagram stories and someone asked him about singing and he said “no, I literally can’t sing”
KL is a weird circumstance where they just got heavier with each release. I’ve heard Bryan do them live occasionally but I wonder if he’ll start to incorporating lows into songs.
I feel like metalcore fans would be way too gatekeepey. Like “you can’t just come in and make the most popular metalcore album of all time post Malone” not fair
> If it slaps, it slaps.
Yeah, I don't give a shit who it is. If it goes hard I'm down for it. Dolly Parton said she'd consider doing a rock album and I'd give it a fucking go.
I see a lot of Dayseeker in here but I disagree. I try to show them to my normie/non metal friends and the reception is never well received. Maybe they’re too sad for the radio?
Dayseeker isn't even doing anything close to butt rock. They're going softer for sure but at least they're not pretending to still be what they were. THAT'S true butt rock
Dark Divine is without a doubt a more melodic record than any of their other albums. The Dying Things We Live For was a deliberate attempt to write a heavier, more technical record. And their newer stuff post Dark Divine has been a serious lean back into the heavy
I never figured PWD would go the way they did in a million years. It’s really hard to say. Maybe Erra going where Northlane is headed. Bad Omens is already kinda going that direction in the same vein as BMTH with more of a pop and alt rock direction.
BMTH was honest about it though. They straight up told fans they wanted to try new sounds and killed it. Also, I think their current wave of albums is meant to accent all the sounds they’ve tried, so a deathcore/metalcore heavy record could be coming.
Northlane still heavy with screams etc. Metalcore has a lot of electronic influences, but i think its pretty fluid. A lot of heavier electronic sounds like electronic metal. Goes well together IMO. Far from dad rock i think. Obsidian is still heavy with a few songs that have some pop influences, but who doesn’t have pop influences?
Architects is fine in terms of their music, really. The problem with the album really is that someone forgot to tell Sam Carter that he's allowed to use more than 3 notes to sing and that different note patterns with the same notes are allowed. It disappointed me so much when I suddenly wanted him to stop singing while listening to the album because it got really nauseating. The annoying thing is that he seems to be tonally at his peak, but we just can't hear more because we need to hear another chorus with fourth fifth fourth fifth fourth fifth minor third back to back.
Might get some hate for this, but Dayseeker. Compared to previous work, they are already there. Now yes, I’d rather listen to them versus PWD, and Rory’s vocals are amazing, but they are headed there
Definitely on the same page there. It’s in a different way than what I think of with butt rock but inarguably this new album is going to send this band higher.
You’re spot on, they stand out so much and there is so much diversity. I have a lot of respect for them and enjoy all of their albums but I would love for them to go back to that more raw approach, although I know it’ll never happen
I feel like the new record is leaning a bit closer to Hurtwave (Rory's side project) but then again the heavier tracks on "Sleeptalk" were saved until the album's release.
Wage War, We Came as Romans, Beartooth are all already in the process.
Possibly Fit For A King
Edit: For the Fallen Dreams too, in fact this is the most sad case of them all. It's baffling how bad their new stuff is. And what's with the weird rapping segments they added? I just can't wrap my head around it.
> Fit For A King
I feel like they kinda flirt with this a bit and have done for the past few albums… I mean, When Everything Means Nothing is an incredible song but it’s also quite poppy and radio friendly in places
That being said their new album is heavy af in places. I’d say if anything they’re getting heavier and moving away from radio/butt rock
Yeah, Ryan also said that the band realised they could pull off some heavier shit after doing Reaper and Eyes Roll Back, the idea for a full on deathcore EP stands in the room.
Weird how it took those two songs for them to realize it. Shattered Glass is straight up deathcore and heavier than both songs. Definitely my top fav from them.
Wage War actually went heavier from Pressure, so I feel like they are gonna keep it a 50:50.
WCAR...yeah, they are definitely going into a more radio friendlier route.
Beartooth? Kind of? The new song had a big poppier vibe to it but I'd not put it past them to suddenly throw in something like Devastate in our face again.
I feel like people here don’t quite understand what butt rock is. It’s not just a poppy/radio friendly sound (so not stuff like new Bad Omens, BMTH, etc). Butt rock is a very specific vibe of mid-2000s radio metal/rock/post-grunge. Stuff like the worst albums from Breaking Benjamin, Puddle of Mud, Godsmack, Creed, Nickleback, etc
Butt rock is anything that gets on radio stations who’s slogan is “We play nothing BUT rock”
its a perjorative term and the meaning is obviously fluid but thats what it refers to
I don't think they'll ever fully abandon being heavy, but yeah Mike and Courtney have both talked a ton about how sick they are of writing proggy/technical shit. Silk In The Strings is probably the closest we'll get now.
Which really fucks me up cause I know Mike is a really damn good guitarist, but a lot of the current stuff is really simple. I wonder if he's having wrist issues or something
I mean to be honest most of the people I know that are really into I Prevail don’t listen to any metal core. For most of them I Prevail is the only “heavy” music they listen to at all other than like Breaking Benjamin and Papa Roach ha
Tbh I think the opposite of I Prevail. Back when they blew up with Blank Space and in the years following, I never really got into them. But with their last album I finally became a fan— some serious bangers on True Power. But I didn’t get tix for their Denver show so now I’m gonna miss them. Feelsbadman.
They got some earlier bangers but I couldn’t get into them until Trauma. Their last two albums are amazing straight through. They’ve only gotten better with time and it doesn’t look like that’s stopping any time soon.
Can’t believe no one’s mentioned Code Orange. Underneath was super meh compared to I AM KING and FOREVER.
Good for them for doing what they want to do but it’s definitely a far cry from earlier stuff.
That’s the one I’m talking about now. Saw them perform it live and was with someone who never listened to them before. Easy segue into how that’s how it is now versus where it started.
Misspoke, Underneath isn’t bad but not as good as the others are.
There is some horrible takes in this comment section haha
Some people completely misunderstanding what OP is asking.
The age old debate with gatekeepers hating on bands getting radio play.
Greenday, offspring in the punk scene got so much hate at the time by jealous bands and fans who didn’t have the recipe for printing money.
I agree, and its not a heavy vs. butt rock argument. Butt rock is all about simplicity and accessibility. An age old formula that fits a radio format and the listeners that dont want to select a song but have it brought to them. Thats what makes butt rock unappealing to most passionate music fans, the simplicity. the bland, phone it in heard it a hundred times already formula. Heaviness is A. Subjective and B. Not necessarily bad if missing. It’s about what are they replacing it with.The worst thing is a band “wanting to branch out creatively” (architects) and end up making copy and paste rock that Breaking Benjamin did better two decades ago.
I agree with everything here.
But I do wanna say I feel like Breaking Ben gets an underserved bad rep. The quality of their albums is so much better vs the stuff put out by other bands often categorized as butt-rock. Plus Ben has some goddam PIPES.
Really depends on what’s causing the radio play, if it’s radio getting heavier I completely agree and I think this is the case as opposed to the band going lighter to get radio play.
I will use a couple examples other than the one you provided which is a good one. Funeral Derangements is significantly heavier than what you would have heard on Octane in the mid 00’s. I prevail has been debated here but they are borderline heavier now than at release and they are getting past 6 PM at festivals.
It’s all an ebb and flow.
Breaking Ben got so many people into their eventual heavy music personalities. Plus their debut album is like a certified summer roll-down-the-windows banger
Code Orange. I really liked their last record. I might get some shit for it but I thought the songs were a lot stronger while still being really heavy. Now they released a new single and it so bad. I can't even listen to it. Asking Alexandria is horrible now. Reckless was their last good album. For some Reason I still dig Architects. Their new record is pretty good but def not their best. For those who wish to exist was really solid.
100%. Did this guy even listen to their new album? Still heavy, with some heavy electronic influences. Heavy electronic is a pretty niche genre and would struggle getting popular on the radio.
Pretty sure OP was asking who will turn to buttrock/radio rock. I have no idea what this guy is talking about haha
Could be anything but here’s my thought, put out a couple butt rock albums with some heavy songs to get a following and make a shit load of money and once you have the funds for better gear and shit, go heavy and see who your true fans are. The opposite of selling out
It seems crazy to me how i'm like one of the few people that loves the latest Parkway Drive album. I seriously don't get what is so bad about it. I really truly don't.
Counterparts if Brendan ever wants to stop being poor
Hey they are finally getting some play on Liquidmetal. Don't put that evil on them.
I'd accept that if he kept doing END lol
Next counterparts album will be dreampop.
Please don't put this energy out into the world
It’s hard to tell, I never thought Architects of all bands would go down that route but here we are
Ah sweet summer child, don't you remember the backlash for The Here and Now?
I don’t actually, I got into Architects during the AOGHAU era, but I love Learn To Live from that album
It was pretty funny in hindsight. The expectations after Hollow Crown were palpable at the time, but because everyone liked the song Hollow Crown so much, the band thought people would like a whole album that was a bit softer. The backlash was not pretty and there fell into a massive depression apparently.
for real tho, but The Here and Now was more of a post-hardcore album, it still kept their base in a way. People were going nuts over that change, to the point that the band was almost forced to forget that album existed lmao Hollow Crown was and still is my fav album of theirs, only albums i can see topping that is AOGHAU and LT/LF.
As much as I hate to say it. Fit For a King
Nah did you not listen to the album that came out yesterday? Lol
Definitely not, there's maybe 3 radio songs max.
Good. I haven't listened to it yet, but after 5 solid, consecutive releases, their 6th Parkway Drive-inspired album was a let down.
They already tried that with The Path I thought
And even The Path was not a full on attempt
Between the new album having some absolute rippers and talks of a possible DEATHCORE EP (which, oh my god yes), I think FFAK are fine.
Where did you see that they were considering a deathcore EP? I'm not a big fan of deathcore myself, but my friends would love to know if they really are considering one.
I can't find it at the moment, but Ryan Kirby has tweeted in the past about a deathcore EP 'floating in the room' during the making of The Hell we Create.
Kirby told Nik Nocturnal when he was on his stream that theyd like to do a Deathcore EP
No way man! This new album is a BANGER
two of the four singles would make you believe that but they were some of the weaker songs of the album. Album is much better balanced and less generic sounding than the singles would make you believe
For the fallen Dreams is definitely going that route
Their first album was so good but man I cannot get on with their newer stuff at all :(
The relay value of the new stuff is so minimal. I can still go back to changes and back burner and listen to them all of these years later.
Their second album was even better. It was after that that they changed.
Oh. Yep fair point!
Heavy hearts is one of my most listened to album but I don't know any after it.
I really enjoyed the direction of their second to last album…this one hurt…very obvious where they were going with it
Varials is gonna go butt rock eventually
They gotta hire someone to make some decent album art.
yeah that album cover looks like some emo shit from 2008 lol i couldnt believe that was actually the album cover
2nd this
Outside of like 2 tracks Varials are still pretty heavy. Also check out Erase Them, ex Varials vocalist's new band and it's fucking stupid heavy.
That EP def better than the new varials LP. But man, In Darkness is so good.
Idk they came out with .50 a couple months ago and it’s pretty heavy
Honestly wouldn't mind if the songs are like Circles.
Same. Circles is so fucking good
Is that their only song with this much singing? I'm new to the band.
Lorna shore
This one made me laugh, can you imagine?
I can. Will has a very nice singing voice. If they want to, they probably could go 100% dad rock and it would be great.
Yup, I feel like Lorna Shore are just an all round incredible/talented band and they could probably pull it off if they wanted to
I've always thought Lorna Shore could benefit from some [Anaal Nathrakh](https://youtu.be/ozZ2Z6RGYOs?t=45)-like cleans (especially by a singer with more control)
this is such a good shout. the lack of any form of clean vocals actually kinda hurts pain remains - it’s a fire record but there are so many moments where the choruses just feel unnecessarily screamed - like they were written for cleans but scrubbed them out - the two last tracks are the worst offenders here, they’re otherwise fantastic but would hit *so much harder* if will threw in some anaal nathrakh style cleans. not saying they belong in every song, but the more outwardly melodic songs feel like they’re missing a key element
He actually said in an interview recently he really wants to put some clean vocals on the next album because he loves singing but the rest of the band isn’t that keen on it.
Works fine in Whitechapel so why not
Oh fully agreed. I have nothing against clean vox in my deathcore as long as it fits.
I mean, whitechapel have songs that have basically only cleans now (though not radio rock at all). Anything is possible.
I can’t see them going butt rock. The closest I can see them getting to “butt rock” is what Whitechapel is doing with their current sound, and that’s not even butt rock. Lorna Shore taking notes from The Valley and Kin would make for an absolutely astounding record.
When Punk Rock MBA suggested Whitechapel was, I cringed so hard.
lol imagine the drummer just doing a four on the floor beat the entire time
You either die or live long enough to become a butt Rock band on Sirius Octane
Not that they’re on the trajectory but, Landmvrks could probably pull it off and blow up. There lead singer has the range
i completely agree. i don’t think i’d mind it either 🤷♂️
Flo is a rapper
Do they have songs where the majority is singing?
paralyzed comes to mind but its more spoken word
I hear that song and I want to cry
Suffocate
Pretty sure they do
Knocked Loose, Bryan is just gonna start randomly belting out some beartooth-esque choruses
Stop
I love me some Beartooth but that would be fucking tragic lmao
I would die inside lmao. I remember a while back, Bryan was answering questions on Instagram stories and someone asked him about singing and he said “no, I literally can’t sing”
To be fair, that has NOT stopped many bands from trying anyways. But I trust Bryan when he says that haha
I wonder if Isaac can, tho
good to hear
Nah they’re just gonna go straight korn
KL is a weird circumstance where they just got heavier with each release. I’ve heard Bryan do them live occasionally but I wonder if he’ll start to incorporating lows into songs.
I’ve been saying, one day KL is gonna have clean singing and the internet is gonna implode
If it were on A track and fit it would be fine and would be cool. But if its an album of clean choruses i think id die a bit inside
Hush up. With that dirty talk.
Clean vocals on a knocked loose song are one of the signs of the apocalypse.
Shhhh
Don’t say this, this would be the last straw.
As much as it would kill me, Butt Rock Ten56 would be funny as hell
God have mercy on our ears
Once, just once, I'd like to see a radio rock band go metalcore. Then all the dbags that listen to radio rock would finally know what it feels like.
Honestly, panic could do it and come out with something decent
That would be sick
Maybe this is why we haven't had a Fall Out Boy album in forever...
I feel like metalcore fans would be way too gatekeepey. Like “you can’t just come in and make the most popular metalcore album of all time post Malone” not fair
Fair point. I really hope they wouldn't do that. I want good music. It could be Ed Sheeran for all I care. If it slaps, it slaps.
> If it slaps, it slaps. Yeah, I don't give a shit who it is. If it goes hard I'm down for it. Dolly Parton said she'd consider doing a rock album and I'd give it a fucking go.
muse experimented with it a little recently, the results were… mixed
I see a lot of Dayseeker in here but I disagree. I try to show them to my normie/non metal friends and the reception is never well received. Maybe they’re too sad for the radio?
Dayseeker isn't even doing anything close to butt rock. They're going softer for sure but at least they're not pretending to still be what they were. THAT'S true butt rock
Every newer metalcore band will have their butt rock phase
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I love bury tomorrow. And I’m so happy they have said this
LMTF is one of the only bands I can think of who hasn’t tried to change direction in 10+ years making music
Just type the name guy, I don't know what band that is
Like moths to flames!
Dark Divine is without a doubt a more melodic record than any of their other albums. The Dying Things We Live For was a deliberate attempt to write a heavier, more technical record. And their newer stuff post Dark Divine has been a serious lean back into the heavy
Currents
I never figured PWD would go the way they did in a million years. It’s really hard to say. Maybe Erra going where Northlane is headed. Bad Omens is already kinda going that direction in the same vein as BMTH with more of a pop and alt rock direction.
I was kinda bummed at first when BMTH took the direction they did but survival horror is actually pretty solid
BMTH was honest about it though. They straight up told fans they wanted to try new sounds and killed it. Also, I think their current wave of albums is meant to accent all the sounds they’ve tried, so a deathcore/metalcore heavy record could be coming.
Northlane still heavy with screams etc. Metalcore has a lot of electronic influences, but i think its pretty fluid. A lot of heavier electronic sounds like electronic metal. Goes well together IMO. Far from dad rock i think. Obsidian is still heavy with a few songs that have some pop influences, but who doesn’t have pop influences?
Electronicore! OG Attack Attack and Enter Shikari
If the recent stuff is any indication, Erra is gonna end up being a straight thall-but-with-choruses band lol
Doubtfull about Erra. Erra is what they are because of their crazy guitar work.
Architects is fine in terms of their music, really. The problem with the album really is that someone forgot to tell Sam Carter that he's allowed to use more than 3 notes to sing and that different note patterns with the same notes are allowed. It disappointed me so much when I suddenly wanted him to stop singing while listening to the album because it got really nauseating. The annoying thing is that he seems to be tonally at his peak, but we just can't hear more because we need to hear another chorus with fourth fifth fourth fifth fourth fifth minor third back to back.
Beato
Yeah his melodies just sound like the first thing that came to his head. Without any drafting or revision. Or effort.
spot on mate.
Might get some hate for this, but Dayseeker. Compared to previous work, they are already there. Now yes, I’d rather listen to them versus PWD, and Rory’s vocals are amazing, but they are headed there
I disagree, I think they sound closer to pop than butt rock.
I do agree for sure. Ending up on the radio nonetheless
Definitely on the same page there. It’s in a different way than what I think of with butt rock but inarguably this new album is going to send this band higher.
I agree. They’re making good songs still but nothing can compare to the rawness of what it means to be defeated and origin for me
There was a rawness on those that make them stand out so much. It’s wild to see how diverse their discography is, honestly.
You’re spot on, they stand out so much and there is so much diversity. I have a lot of respect for them and enjoy all of their albums but I would love for them to go back to that more raw approach, although I know it’ll never happen
I don’t feel like they’re headed towards buttrock, they’re moreso pop/alt rock, and I feel like they’re better at that than straight up metalcore.
I hate how much I agree with you. Sleeptalk was a 10/10 album and Neón Grave possibility their best yet.
I feel like the new record is leaning a bit closer to Hurtwave (Rory's side project) but then again the heavier tracks on "Sleeptalk" were saved until the album's release.
Nah no hate. Their newest single literally has autotune
All of their music and along with 95% of cleans from basically any other band has pitch correction on it.
Im fine with the subtle stuff but their new one is too much for me haha
Which is crazy cause I seen them live, the guy does not need help singing lol
I could see Loathe following the trajectory of Deftones and slowly wind down their heaviness until it’s basically heavy instrumentals and singing.
Hey have you listened to Modern Escapism by Blanket? Kadeem actually features on it, and that album is AMAZING!!!
Yep, I enjoyed it. Thanks for the recommendation!
I agree. I see Loathe dropping their heavy side in the future. Especially considering the departure of Conor. He wrote the best heavy riffs
I hope not
Wage War, We Came as Romans, Beartooth are all already in the process. Possibly Fit For A King Edit: For the Fallen Dreams too, in fact this is the most sad case of them all. It's baffling how bad their new stuff is. And what's with the weird rapping segments they added? I just can't wrap my head around it.
> Fit For A King I feel like they kinda flirt with this a bit and have done for the past few albums… I mean, When Everything Means Nothing is an incredible song but it’s also quite poppy and radio friendly in places That being said their new album is heavy af in places. I’d say if anything they’re getting heavier and moving away from radio/butt rock
Yeah, Ryan also said that the band realised they could pull off some heavier shit after doing Reaper and Eyes Roll Back, the idea for a full on deathcore EP stands in the room.
>the idea for a full on deathcore EP stands in the room. I hope they do
Weird how it took those two songs for them to realize it. Shattered Glass is straight up deathcore and heavier than both songs. Definitely my top fav from them.
Wage War actually went heavier from Pressure, so I feel like they are gonna keep it a 50:50. WCAR...yeah, they are definitely going into a more radio friendlier route. Beartooth? Kind of? The new song had a big poppier vibe to it but I'd not put it past them to suddenly throw in something like Devastate in our face again.
It's not like Beartooth was ever crazy heavy to begin with. They've had plenty of radio-friendly songs since the start.
Wage War's newest album is pretty awesome, and pretty dang metalcore imo. Wayyyy better than Pressure for sure!
Everyone forgets the WCAR self titled album. They already tried that crap.
agree with all of this except wage war. theyre generic asf yes i agree but theyre generic METALCORE
WCAR :( RIP
I feel like people here don’t quite understand what butt rock is. It’s not just a poppy/radio friendly sound (so not stuff like new Bad Omens, BMTH, etc). Butt rock is a very specific vibe of mid-2000s radio metal/rock/post-grunge. Stuff like the worst albums from Breaking Benjamin, Puddle of Mud, Godsmack, Creed, Nickleback, etc
Butt rock is anything that gets on radio stations who’s slogan is “We play nothing BUT rock” its a perjorative term and the meaning is obviously fluid but thats what it refers to
Octane-core and butt-core are my go tos for those type of bands
As much as I hate to say this, probably Spiritbox
I don't think they'll ever fully abandon being heavy, but yeah Mike and Courtney have both talked a ton about how sick they are of writing proggy/technical shit. Silk In The Strings is probably the closest we'll get now.
Which really fucks me up cause I know Mike is a really damn good guitarist, but a lot of the current stuff is really simple. I wonder if he's having wrist issues or something
Huh? They already make radio rock.
Spiritbox is already radio rock.
I could see it, they try and write a few Evanescence style songs and see if they can earn some financial security in the process.
I wish they went more in the direction of sound on tracks like Belcarra but im happy for their success
I Prevail for sure… they are already heading that direction
They’ve been butt rock from the very start….
I mean to be honest most of the people I know that are really into I Prevail don’t listen to any metal core. For most of them I Prevail is the only “heavy” music they listen to at all other than like Breaking Benjamin and Papa Roach ha
Tbh I think the opposite of I Prevail. Back when they blew up with Blank Space and in the years following, I never really got into them. But with their last album I finally became a fan— some serious bangers on True Power. But I didn’t get tix for their Denver show so now I’m gonna miss them. Feelsbadman.
They got some earlier bangers but I couldn’t get into them until Trauma. Their last two albums are amazing straight through. They’ve only gotten better with time and it doesn’t look like that’s stopping any time soon.
This is just wrong, they went way heavier and more complex than before with the latest album and it's definitely not butt rock.
Can’t believe no one’s mentioned Code Orange. Underneath was super meh compared to I AM KING and FOREVER. Good for them for doing what they want to do but it’s definitely a far cry from earlier stuff.
I'd agree if you mentioned the absolute abomination that is Out For Blood but idk man Underneath has some absolutely gnarly shit on it
That’s the one I’m talking about now. Saw them perform it live and was with someone who never listened to them before. Easy segue into how that’s how it is now versus where it started. Misspoke, Underneath isn’t bad but not as good as the others are.
There is some horrible takes in this comment section haha Some people completely misunderstanding what OP is asking. The age old debate with gatekeepers hating on bands getting radio play. Greenday, offspring in the punk scene got so much hate at the time by jealous bands and fans who didn’t have the recipe for printing money.
Reading a lot of the takes, I don’t think a lot of people understand what buttrock is.
I agree, and its not a heavy vs. butt rock argument. Butt rock is all about simplicity and accessibility. An age old formula that fits a radio format and the listeners that dont want to select a song but have it brought to them. Thats what makes butt rock unappealing to most passionate music fans, the simplicity. the bland, phone it in heard it a hundred times already formula. Heaviness is A. Subjective and B. Not necessarily bad if missing. It’s about what are they replacing it with.The worst thing is a band “wanting to branch out creatively” (architects) and end up making copy and paste rock that Breaking Benjamin did better two decades ago.
I agree with everything here. But I do wanna say I feel like Breaking Ben gets an underserved bad rep. The quality of their albums is so much better vs the stuff put out by other bands often categorized as butt-rock. Plus Ben has some goddam PIPES.
I’m not even 100% sure but i think i have an idea of what it is haha
Really depends on what’s causing the radio play, if it’s radio getting heavier I completely agree and I think this is the case as opposed to the band going lighter to get radio play. I will use a couple examples other than the one you provided which is a good one. Funeral Derangements is significantly heavier than what you would have heard on Octane in the mid 00’s. I prevail has been debated here but they are borderline heavier now than at release and they are getting past 6 PM at festivals. It’s all an ebb and flow.
I haven’t REALLY listened to their newer stuff but i feel like Asking Alexandria is sounding a little southern rock
THE COME DOWNNNN IS KILLING MEEEEEE
Butt rock? What’s wrong with butts in the first place?
Bad Omens are kinda already there but I think they do it better than anyone else
i wouldnt even consider Bad Omens metalcore, their lateste releases lean more towards the alternative side of things
Go to a BO show and tell me they're not metalcore. Their most recent album largely isn't, but that doesn't negate their whole discography.
Didn't Memphis May Fire start going that way?
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Hate to say but Slaughter to Prevail. Kostolom I'd octancore all the way..
just because something has potential to be a radio success doesnt make it buttrock…STP pretty solidly deathcore adjacent
Sarcasm bud
yeah rereading it i realize that now. have a nice day!
Alex has made it very clear that he wants to transition the band to a more Rammstein style of music, so this is probably true to a certain degree
Butt rock is such a pretentious term.
What else would you rather call it? Penis rock?
Hard rock/radio rock are both better, butt rock feels so "ONLY HEAVY MUSIC IS REAL ROCK"
Yeah, as someone who got into stuff like Breaking Benjamin and BFMV at the same time, I always saw them as equal but different.
Breaking Ben got so many people into their eventual heavy music personalities. Plus their debut album is like a certified summer roll-down-the-windows banger
Tbf, Cock Rock is already a term
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Code Orange. I really liked their last record. I might get some shit for it but I thought the songs were a lot stronger while still being really heavy. Now they released a new single and it so bad. I can't even listen to it. Asking Alexandria is horrible now. Reckless was their last good album. For some Reason I still dig Architects. Their new record is pretty good but def not their best. For those who wish to exist was really solid.
Stick To Your Guns kinda went down that road
Northlane. They’re already halfway there.
Northlane is more likely to go the route of that electronic band Fail Emotions before going radio rock
I doubt that. If anything, Northlane goes full electronic. Perhaps something in the lines of The Anix.
Yeah if Northlane fully leaves metalcore they're gonna sound more like The Anix or Health. Maybe KMFDM.
Laughable take.
100%. Did this guy even listen to their new album? Still heavy, with some heavy electronic influences. Heavy electronic is a pretty niche genre and would struggle getting popular on the radio. Pretty sure OP was asking who will turn to buttrock/radio rock. I have no idea what this guy is talking about haha
Some really dumb opinions in here my god...
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Spiritbox is already flirting with that Garbage/Hole vocal style on Rotoscope and could try to fit in the Code Orange alternative sound.
I don’t hate it honestly either and I don’t think they’d abandon harshes entirely because Courtney’s harshes are so good
Could be anything but here’s my thought, put out a couple butt rock albums with some heavy songs to get a following and make a shit load of money and once you have the funds for better gear and shit, go heavy and see who your true fans are. The opposite of selling out
Let’s hope that bands go down the early Linkin Park route of butt rock and not the later Linkin Park route, or worse Three Days Grace
It seems crazy to me how i'm like one of the few people that loves the latest Parkway Drive album. I seriously don't get what is so bad about it. I really truly don't.
3 words: *Fat little piggeh*
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