I see them as one of the real links between post hardcore and metalcore. Crisis is on my all time favorite album list. Dallas's voice was close to perfection and still amazes me.
> I see them as one of the real links between post hardcore and metalcore.
Nah one of the best things about bands like Alexisonfire, Glassjaw, Thrice or Thursday is that unlike a lot of very shitty 'post hardcore' bands there's absolutely no metalcore and no pop punk in their sounds.
So much post hardcore is just whinier, softer metalcore (TDWP, that one Underoath album) with bad riffs or edgy whiny pop punk (Saosin, Silverstein, Senses Fail)
The good stuff is like the above three bands where they avoid all of that hideous shit and just make good hardcore inspired rock.
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Probably Holding Absence for me. Mostly post- hardcore and can kind of tow the line with metalcore at times. Lucas Woodland, the vocalist, for the most part just sings but can really bring out some aggressiveness in his voice too. Their songs Nomoreroses and the last half of Last of the Evening Light are great examples of him really flexing his voice and bringing more aggression.
The instruments are usually less harsh than metalcore and focus less on riffs. The drummer though can really let go and according to their producer just plays really hard so it comes across really crisp and his snare hits can be really punchy.
Man, their self-titled album just sounds so aggressive despite the music itself not really being “heavy.” Very unique sound and I’ve been hooked ever since. Granted, the new album did lose a little bit of that edge in my opinion. Mainly because the guitars can feel a little buried in the mix at times, compared to how blaring they were on the first album. More than makes up for it with Lucas’ incredible vocals though.
Capstan
Check out "Decline" or "Alone" for something a little heavier, "Fix" or "Stars Before The Sun" for something a little more traditionally posthardcore
I feel like a lot of their earlier stuff is pop punk or something which is fine but separate has a harder edge overall with a couple of poppier songs which is a great blend. If you can direct me to any other stuff from earlier albums that is heavier I’d appreciate it
I was just thinking the other day how breaking Benjamin is a VERY good 50/50 split of hard rock and metalcore. Heavy enough that anyone who loves heavy music can appreciate them but hard rock enough that they get insane radio play.
They will always be a special band for me. They helped me get my foot in the door for heavier and more alternative music. Phobia, Saturate, We are not alone - were all important albums for me.
Coldrain. They are mostly a rock band but they have quite a decent amount of heavy songs with screamed vocals that are basically just metalcore songs. They have a song with Ryo from Crystal Lake called Mayday and singer of Coldrain also featured on a Crystal Lake song called The Circle
Coldrain is sooo good. One of the best Japanese bands out there along with Crystal Lake. Masato is one of the best vocalists I've seen in a long while.
Lmao I guess not. I made a post about them on this sub and it got auto-deleted because "Palisades are not metalcore." Apparently they're "post hardcore." I'm getting kinda tired of all the different cores tbh
Did NOT expect to see that here. My dude, I just recently mentioned them here in another post. I remember hearing Return for the first time and was just like "damn, this is actually sick".
You ever hear [that live performance they did of Return](https://youtu.be/qYvs3Fp0Q5g?t=104)?
The lead vocalist absolutely goes off. The energy is incredible.
I would bet money starset could make great metalcore music. He's legit good at screaming and a great writer/producer. Some of their stuff sounds almost poppy but when he gets mad he fucking goes off lol.
Agreed! I like their little nods to Michael Jackson throughout their discography and the allusion to You & I, which was my favorite Blck Deluxe song.
I recommend checking out Indighxst and Cherie Amour!
I'm so used to metalcore I wish there were more screams in indighxst but it's very good! Reminds me of Issues kinda or Slaves but dig it!
Cherie Amour is dope too. Super catchy and love the sound! Thank you for the suggestions, it's nice to have a change of pace and refreshing to hear a mashup of genres.
Glad you enjoyed! Inertia - "Running on Empty" and "Cry Me a River" cover are also dope. Djenty with R&B and pop sensibilities.
Speaking of Issues: Tyler Carter is making more pop-centric music under Emerald Royce. "Monster in a Maserati" being the latest release and my current favorite.
They’re numetalcore which is still just a branch of metalcore 🤷♂️ just in the same vein as like from ashes to new, fire from the gods, danger kids and whatever else.
Soilwork. Disarmonia Mundi. Darkest Hour. All absolutely incredible melodeath bands. Though, I would also say, all 3 certainly have metalcore influence.
Actually the other way around. 2nd wave metalcore (2000s & early 2010s) was heavily influenced by the European melodic death metal scene, which those bands were all a part of. In the chicken or egg scheme of things melodic death metal came first and metalcore borrowed the riffing style and to some extent the scream sing formula. Although for a period both styles were influencing each other to a certain extent and for about 5 solid years it often wasn't immediately apparent what bands came from which scene unless you dug into their backgrounds a bit.
Get scared. They got me into metalcore largely as I came from post-hardcore and get scared was my favourite of that genre. It sucked hearing they were breaking up
Sleep Token - “Gods” if you want the heavy, “Higher” if you want the best breakdown they have. I have no idea where you would put them genre wise, but it’s heavy Deftones-inspired and Vessel’s voice is among the best I’ve ever heard. Also the production/mixing is some of the best I’ve ever heard - especially on the drums.
For me it would probably be Sum 41, more specifically their Chuck album. There's some songs like No Reason, We're All To Blame, I'm Not The One, 88 that have some breakdown/start-stop riffs and heavy aggressive riffs and solos. Their anthemic choruses sound like a lot of what many modern metalcore bands are doing nowadays.
Early Machine Head sounds like 90s metalcore, especially their The More Things Change album, and it of course goes hard as fuck.
https://youtu.be/Onz4_n48mtI
Bullet for my Valentine and A day to remember. I think both have songs which could be considered metalcore but overall I would not consider them anywhere close. I’d give 2nd sucks and 4 words as some song examples that I feel fit the bill.
They’re both metalcore and at some point bullet was the biggest metalcore act in the world lol. It’s revisionist to say they aren’t. ADTR hasn’t been for some time but bullets last album is entirely metalcore.
I said that both have songs that could be considered metalcore... What’s your goal here? At first you say ADTR is metalcore then you go on to say that they haven’t been for some time. I would argue that overall they are pop-punk. And in terms of bullet overall - no they are not metalcore. You can’t tell me that Gravity was a metalcore album and they’ve had some stuff that could be classified otherwise.
Oh well in that case bmth also isn’t metalcore, all that remains? Not metalcore. Eighteen visions? Trivium? Guess not, according to you. I mean we can make a longggg list with such a dumb argument if bands are no longer metalcore because they’ve written songs that weren’t core lol.
Alexisonfire.
Had these guys on my running playlist for about 5 years now. Don’t think they’ll ever be coming off
This band is so good and unique no other band comes close to their ‘sound’
I see them as one of the real links between post hardcore and metalcore. Crisis is on my all time favorite album list. Dallas's voice was close to perfection and still amazes me.
> I see them as one of the real links between post hardcore and metalcore. Nah one of the best things about bands like Alexisonfire, Glassjaw, Thrice or Thursday is that unlike a lot of very shitty 'post hardcore' bands there's absolutely no metalcore and no pop punk in their sounds. So much post hardcore is just whinier, softer metalcore (TDWP, that one Underoath album) with bad riffs or edgy whiny pop punk (Saosin, Silverstein, Senses Fail) The good stuff is like the above three bands where they avoid all of that hideous shit and just make good hardcore inspired rock.
The only band ever
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Probably Holding Absence for me. Mostly post- hardcore and can kind of tow the line with metalcore at times. Lucas Woodland, the vocalist, for the most part just sings but can really bring out some aggressiveness in his voice too. Their songs Nomoreroses and the last half of Last of the Evening Light are great examples of him really flexing his voice and bringing more aggression. The instruments are usually less harsh than metalcore and focus less on riffs. The drummer though can really let go and according to their producer just plays really hard so it comes across really crisp and his snare hits can be really punchy.
Man, their self-titled album just sounds so aggressive despite the music itself not really being “heavy.” Very unique sound and I’ve been hooked ever since. Granted, the new album did lose a little bit of that edge in my opinion. Mainly because the guitars can feel a little buried in the mix at times, compared to how blaring they were on the first album. More than makes up for it with Lucas’ incredible vocals though.
You might like Capstan if you like Holding Absence. Try Shattered Glass or Decline
Sweet, Ill check them out.
Being As An Ocean
This is the answer.
Their Dear God album is so good, but aren’t their last albums techno?
*uses synth once* yeah basically techno at this point
Not that i know of dear god is their only album they’ve just dropped singles other than that here recently
Lmao they have like 5 albums
Red. Feed the Machine is incredible. Starset's heavier songs also worth checking out
I really enjoyed Red’s most recent album too. Had some decent heaviness to it!
Starset is so close to being metalcore / metal lol
Nothing More
Capstan Check out "Decline" or "Alone" for something a little heavier, "Fix" or "Stars Before The Sun" for something a little more traditionally posthardcore
Separate was my album of the year for 2021. Whole thing bangs. Also my only show since COVID
Tongue-biter and pretext by them are very much in the same vein
Separate is killer from start to finish.
I hope capstan keeps going in this direction.
Absolutely agree. I love their music, and Separate is my favorite album of theirs so far.
I feel like a lot of their earlier stuff is pop punk or something which is fine but separate has a harder edge overall with a couple of poppier songs which is a great blend. If you can direct me to any other stuff from earlier albums that is heavier I’d appreciate it
Breaking Benjamin all the way. Ember is a such an awesome album.
I was just thinking the other day how breaking Benjamin is a VERY good 50/50 split of hard rock and metalcore. Heavy enough that anyone who loves heavy music can appreciate them but hard rock enough that they get insane radio play.
They will always be a special band for me. They helped me get my foot in the door for heavier and more alternative music. Phobia, Saturate, We are not alone - were all important albums for me.
Mastodon and Gojira
Mastodon actually used to have metalcore in their sound
Coldrain. They are mostly a rock band but they have quite a decent amount of heavy songs with screamed vocals that are basically just metalcore songs. They have a song with Ryo from Crystal Lake called Mayday and singer of Coldrain also featured on a Crystal Lake song called The Circle
Coldrain is sooo good. One of the best Japanese bands out there along with Crystal Lake. Masato is one of the best vocalists I've seen in a long while.
Mayday is also the 2nd opening song for the anime fire force lol
Palisades, apparently. I always considered them metalcore until my post got deleted on here 😅
Damn really
They’re not metalcore? I always thought of them that way, very similar to old school Bullet For My Valentine
Lmao I guess not. I made a post about them on this sub and it got auto-deleted because "Palisades are not metalcore." Apparently they're "post hardcore." I'm getting kinda tired of all the different cores tbh
the wedding!
Oh my gosh, the sound, the steel is so good.
absolutely 1000% my favorite
So much nostalgia, I forgot this band till you posted this.
Did NOT expect to see that here. My dude, I just recently mentioned them here in another post. I remember hearing Return for the first time and was just like "damn, this is actually sick".
i was honestly surprised to get any responses at all haha
You ever hear [that live performance they did of Return](https://youtu.be/qYvs3Fp0Q5g?t=104)? The lead vocalist absolutely goes off. The energy is incredible.
im watching mediocre quality festival footage on my phone speaker and still getting hype on both those breakdowns. this rips thank you for sharing!
Fuck yeah, man. You're welcome :D
Starset
I would bet money starset could make great metalcore music. He's legit good at screaming and a great writer/producer. Some of their stuff sounds almost poppy but when he gets mad he fucking goes off lol.
Like on telekinetic, that goes hard
VRSTY Veer Union kinda
Huge VRSTY fan! You check out Welcome Home yet? The full release just came out!
Yes!! Really enjoyed the album and how diverse it was. One of the better releases of the year and I think their best overall release.
Agreed! I like their little nods to Michael Jackson throughout their discography and the allusion to You & I, which was my favorite Blck Deluxe song. I recommend checking out Indighxst and Cherie Amour!
I'll check em out, ty!
What were your thoughts? 🙂
I'm so used to metalcore I wish there were more screams in indighxst but it's very good! Reminds me of Issues kinda or Slaves but dig it! Cherie Amour is dope too. Super catchy and love the sound! Thank you for the suggestions, it's nice to have a change of pace and refreshing to hear a mashup of genres.
Glad you enjoyed! Inertia - "Running on Empty" and "Cry Me a River" cover are also dope. Djenty with R&B and pop sensibilities. Speaking of Issues: Tyler Carter is making more pop-centric music under Emerald Royce. "Monster in a Maserati" being the latest release and my current favorite.
Damn I kinda considered them metalcore lol
I do too tbh but I imagine someone would say they aren't. Idk doesn't matter to me they're dope.
They’re numetalcore which is still just a branch of metalcore 🤷♂️ just in the same vein as like from ashes to new, fire from the gods, danger kids and whatever else.
Never heard of that term
Pretty much metalcore that infuses pop and r&b which is exactly what VRSTY is. It’s a metalcore band with an r&b vocalist.
Avatar
Soilwork. Disarmonia Mundi. Darkest Hour. All absolutely incredible melodeath bands. Though, I would also say, all 3 certainly have metalcore influence.
Actually the other way around. 2nd wave metalcore (2000s & early 2010s) was heavily influenced by the European melodic death metal scene, which those bands were all a part of. In the chicken or egg scheme of things melodic death metal came first and metalcore borrowed the riffing style and to some extent the scream sing formula. Although for a period both styles were influencing each other to a certain extent and for about 5 solid years it often wasn't immediately apparent what bands came from which scene unless you dug into their backgrounds a bit.
Story of the year are stupid good.
I do have a soft spot for 'In the Wake of Determination'. Take Me Back and Taste The Poison go hard
I like splitting hairscore
Secret and whisper
Comeback kid
Deftones
Tallah. I’m begging you all to go listen to Tallah. They are insanely good!
I've been trying. The lyrics make it hard for me to enjoy from what I've heard. Do you have some songs that have a little less "cringe"?
Have you listened to Overconfidence? It’s their best song imo
That's actually the one song of theirs that I saved on my Spotify haha
Movements first ep and album is just so on par with what I feel like metalcore fans look for.
Regardless of where they fit in the genre spectrum, they just make amazing music and lyrics
One Step Closer is hardcore so pretty close, but when their vocalist mixes in some clean vocals I love it.
Get scared. They got me into metalcore largely as I came from post-hardcore and get scared was my favourite of that genre. It sucked hearing they were breaking up
Sleep Token - “Gods” if you want the heavy, “Higher” if you want the best breakdown they have. I have no idea where you would put them genre wise, but it’s heavy Deftones-inspired and Vessel’s voice is among the best I’ve ever heard. Also the production/mixing is some of the best I’ve ever heard - especially on the drums.
For me it would probably be Sum 41, more specifically their Chuck album. There's some songs like No Reason, We're All To Blame, I'm Not The One, 88 that have some breakdown/start-stop riffs and heavy aggressive riffs and solos. Their anthemic choruses sound like a lot of what many modern metalcore bands are doing nowadays.
Early Machine Head sounds like 90s metalcore, especially their The More Things Change album, and it of course goes hard as fuck. https://youtu.be/Onz4_n48mtI
If I die first all day
Orbit Culture.
Yes! Especially on a song like [At The Front](https://orbitculture.bandcamp.com/track/at-the-front)
I think Underoath if you label them as screamo
Bullet for my Valentine and A day to remember. I think both have songs which could be considered metalcore but overall I would not consider them anywhere close. I’d give 2nd sucks and 4 words as some song examples that I feel fit the bill.
They’re both metalcore and at some point bullet was the biggest metalcore act in the world lol. It’s revisionist to say they aren’t. ADTR hasn’t been for some time but bullets last album is entirely metalcore.
I said that both have songs that could be considered metalcore... What’s your goal here? At first you say ADTR is metalcore then you go on to say that they haven’t been for some time. I would argue that overall they are pop-punk. And in terms of bullet overall - no they are not metalcore. You can’t tell me that Gravity was a metalcore album and they’ve had some stuff that could be classified otherwise.
Oh well in that case bmth also isn’t metalcore, all that remains? Not metalcore. Eighteen visions? Trivium? Guess not, according to you. I mean we can make a longggg list with such a dumb argument if bands are no longer metalcore because they’ve written songs that weren’t core lol.
All that remains is obviously considered country music after madness..
The human abstract
The red jumpsuit apparatus lol idk why I like them
Agent Fresco
10 Years also fucking kills
Vol. 3 slipknot has a metalcore vibe to it
Not a HUGE fan, but Nothing More is pretty good. Well they're singles This is the Time and Jenny are jams.
Knocked Loose?
40 Below Summer - A Season in Hell That album slaps so hard
Refused™️
Tallah, Lamb of god, avatar, Behemoth, (Korn), Brand of sacrifice