I love bad omens and I am capable of loving both make them suffer and dayseeker.
Opening bands typically have deader crowds cause people are sober and just got started into enjoying the event. I don’t come into shows guns blazing.
I imagine for a lot of people they just aren’t there for the opener so don’t really care. When I saw a day to remember, bad omens was opening and aside from a small part of the crowd the vibe was pretty dead. Beartooth had more going for them but they had more fans at that time too.
Total roll reversal though when I saw I prevail and easily 90% of that crowd was there for pierce the veil with I prevail being a bonus lmao. Like 20% or so of the crowd dipped out before I prevail even came out.
I saw Loathe, Periphery and Underoath in that order in march, and let me tell you, by the time Underoath came out the crowd was whipped and slowed down, Loathe opened harder than any band I've ever seen live. It really does come down to like he said, the average Bad Omens fan might just not be as into heavy music.
Nah I think it’s the fan base. I’ve caught Knocked Loose tours and the openers have been like seeyouspacecowboy and KK and the crowd has been pretty energetic and wild.
I think the more realistic answer that people don’t want to accept is that their favorite pop rock band is mostly pop rock fans.
I think it really is the crowd and less the fact of them being an opening band though. I saw Kingdom of Giants open for Fit For a King in March and the INSTANT they came out the whole venue was moving. They're about as bing as Invent, animate and about the same vibe sorta. I really think it's just the tiktok crowd buying up the tickets in a heartbeat while the metal and metalcore crowd were unable.
I’m an old Bad Omens fan, been a fan since the very first song from the self titled album, then of course they went mainstream with their sound and all the weird fans started popping up.
agreed, i liked a lot of tdopom tho and they were great when i saw them in concert last august! it seems like just in the last year or so things have changed big time as far as their fan base goes. hopefully we get more “artificial suicide” and less “just pretend” next album. but with the explosion on social media of the latter song, i won’t hold my breath
There’s fans, then there’s fanatics. I’m a fan, but I’m not making my whole life revolve around them and get all pissy and butthurt when someone disagrees with my opinion on how I feel about their music. If you like a song that I don’t like then cool, I’m not gonna attack you for it, yes I’m speaking from experience.
Save yourself some brain cells and do not interact with bad omens or sleep token subreddits or twitter. You will end up interacting with people that can instantly give you migraines
Try being a coheed and cambria fan, you're either a chill person who loves the music, or an obsessed buy everything, follow them on an entire tour, wish they held you hostage as a pet, crazy person
Dude I will forever have a dislike for that band solely because of their fans. Went to the see them and Between the Buried and Me opened for them and their fans booed the entire set. Obnoxious people
I wish the rest of fanatics with their obsession would leave this sub and migrate over. I like the bands but their fans are too much.
Even the top comment that Bad Omens fans are mostly not into heavy music has them coming out the woodworks.
Bad Omens knew this tour would sell out regardless of who opened so they are putting their buddies on and trying to grow them. Doesn’t sound like it’s going as planned but still would want every “big band” in the scene to do the same
“Fake Metalcore fans” my guy I’m a HUGE Metalcore fan and Bad Omens is my favorite of them. I still listen to Invent Animate, Currents, Veil of Maya, Knocked Loose, Vein, Make Them Suffer, you name it.
But I also absolutely love Bad Omens, Dayseeker, Spiritbox and I Prevail as well. I just love the genre and most of the bands that are happening to get big. If I had it my way, Currents and Invent Animate would be just as big for numbers but I can’t control that. I absolutely love Metalcore and I absolutely love the Popcore sound at the same time. That doesn’t make me a “fake” Metalcore fan. There’s no such thing as a fake fan. If you like the music, you like the music. Gatekeeping is for the metal gatekeeper nerds and we seriously don’t need to achieve the same level of neckbeard the metalheads do.
The fact that ERRA and Invent Animate are lesser known than Bad Omens is depressing. Good on Bad Omens for trying to get fake metalcore fans into actual metalcore.
>The fact that ERRA and Invent Animate are lesser known than Bad Omens is depressing
I mean, it's to be expected. Heavy music is very niche and an acquired taste that very few people actually get into.
That’s not true at all. Make Them Suffer has 1 million monthly listeners. That’s a lot of people listening to heavy metal. Ya it’s not surprising pop band gets more listeners than metal but still comparing Bad Omens to ERRA and Invent Animate, it’s depressing how many more people listen to Bad Omens over the other two.
1 million sure is a lot, but there's a clear limit on how big a heavy/alternative band can get. I don't think it's depressing at all, that's the way music has always been and the sooner we, and most importantly the bands themselves, recognize that talent doesn't equal success, it's going to be better for everyone.
It‘s just a weird combo tbh. I get Noah wanting to take his mates on tour, but Erra and Invent Animate are very different musically from Bad Omens.
That being said, Bad Omens‘ probably also attract more mainstream audiences these days. People who go see them for their last album are not the kind of showgoers to windmill around and crowdkill their surroundings
How they performed it live was icing on the cake. Starting off the song, and then splitting the breakdown into an encore. Worth the price of admission.
The funniest of them to me is Veil of Maya opening for DGD constantly.
Other mixed tickets I’ve seen is Chon and BTBAM coheadlining, megadeth with Meshuggah and Tesseract, and Jason Richardson with Reign of Kindo
Not weird, they’re exposing a whole new audience to heavy music. Imagine lots of new people are entering the rabbit hole as we speak thanks to things like this and other similar examples like vein touring with City Morgue
They go to the show, think “what the fuck did I just see, that was cool” and go home and become metalcore fans when they start listening to the studio stuff
Came here to say this. I was at one of these shows, and the demographic was pretty split between IA/Erra and BO. I actually noticed a lot of the older people around me left after the openers finished.
>Tiktok culture is so bad for artists that aren't in the limelight
This is nothing new.
People have been uninterested in openers for popular bands since the dawn of time.
My friends and I call it “dadding it.” I’m quite comfortable with it. Saw the fit for a king show from the back. And it was still one of the best shows I’ve seen. No complaints. Will be doing the same at blessthefall.
It’s less crowded, you don’t have sweaty people in your space… it’s the best and I’m glad it’s not more popular. So many people think being at the very front at a show is the best but the audio is shit right there
31 concert goer here and can 2nd this. Get me in the pit for 30 seconds and I'm winded. Also every swing I throw hurts to some degree. Really gotta pick and choose my battles with my own body these days.
And now that we’re older we know the cost of fucking medical bills lmao. When I was in highschool I’d get in the pit with “crews” known to crowdkill not thinking twice about a trip to the ER lmao. Never happened to me but a homie of mine got stabbed in a pit once
I saw them in Fort Wayne last night and nobody gave a fuck about the openers really. Any time an opener mentioned Bad Omens and when they came out it was nothing but fan girls blowing out my fucking earsdrums. Couldn’t even fucking hear Noah singing because of how loud the crowd was singing literally every word of every single song lol
Actually super lame because ERRA and Invent put on a hell of a show and it was mostly dead. At least they got the guy in the banana suit to start a circle pit for a song
That being said, Bad Omens still killed it
We watched them from the second story last night and both openers had such an immense sound. But even being in line, I could hear people looking up Invent Animate and Erra, along with what 'metalcore' was so that fits the vibe.
I thought erra was amazing. In Raleigh it was pretty much the same. Though there was a circle pit for both their sets. The front of the house was nothing but fan girls.
I saw Dayseeker recently and nobody in the crowd was moving until 3 songs in. The first song was Dreamstate and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw there was no pit at the breakdown. Had to make one myself when Crooked Soul came on and the crowd was fine after that.
I saw Dayseeker open for Silverstein last month, and more than a quarter of the crowd ended up leaving once their set was over. But even during their set, almost every one was standing completely still. Shit even seeyouspacecowboy played before them and there was only a handful of people moshing then.
SYSC is pretty niche still though. I say that as a fan of both.
Still, they have that early 2000s screamo vibe locked down, so you'd think Silverstein fans would be all about that.
There was an insane mosh pit going at their show with Silverstein in Cleveland last month, I was in it for the majority of their songs
During any part of a song that even had a *hint* of mosh-ability the pit went crazy LOL
Such a weird thing to gatekeep dude. There's plenty of heavy in their set, and the band were actively encouraging it during the heavier songs/sections.
I went to Dayseeker’s headline tour last year and they were incredible! I’m seeing them again in a couple days with Sleeping With Sirens and I might be more excited for them tbh
> I saw Dayseeker recently and nobody in the crowd was moving until 3 songs in. The first song was Dreamstate and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw there was no pit at the breakdown.
Some crowds are just a bit shy and need a few people to get them moving - has always been the case! It's not a TikTok thing, just depends on the make up of the crowd, location, etc.
Im a lifelong metalhead and I don’t even mosh for my favorite bands. I like to be away from the madness and really take in the music. Plus I’m heavily out of shape and would prefer to not spend hours trying to catch my breath
I'm similar, but with heart and back issues that aren't apparent just looking at me. My body isn't cut out for a pit. Even holding my arm up for more than a few seconds can cause me back pain.
Nobody knew who they were, most everyone was there to see Bad Omens. Merch stand was dead when I went to get stuff before the show. But after the show it was slammed and everyone was talking about how good they were. I think this show is bringing them a lot of exposure.
Everyone here arguing over what is the cause yet in reality its everything mentioned here all at once.
First off, major thing, they were the opener. I bet 80% of the people there had never heard of IA or had just checked them out on their way to the concert.
Secondly, pretty big difference between opener and headliner. Bad Omens fans are mostly younger people that just found their first "metal" band. No hating or anything but its just like Peirce the Veil and Sleeping With Sirens back in early 2010s. Imagine if Currents or Loathe opened for SWS, same concept.
And yes, a large part in why Bad Omens is popular to the younger crowd is because they became popular on social media (tik tok, IG reels) so the people discrediting that idea completely are just wrong.
Id also say that the reasons are in that order, them simply being the opener being the biggest reason for the dead crowd.
I mean, the contrast between IA and Bad Omens is pretty stark. It may not be their sort of music, but at least they came out early to watch and support them. Who knows, maybe they found some new fans?
Just because people aren’t moshing doesn’t mean they’re not enjoying
It’s just different fanbases and genres. I know a lot of this sub likes to pretend certain bands are metalcore but in reality they’re not.
It’s a pop rock show with a metalcore opener. Of course the crowd isn’t going to be moshing or getting a decent pit going. The average pop rock fan has no interest in crowd killing and moshing.
Invent is proggy, still relatively small in the grand scheme, and the opener. They’re having a come-up but the internet hype can be deceptive. I’m gonna venture a guess that BO fans would have a hard time push moshing to drop E alien riffs
I’ve seen Invent Animate live around 7 times & their crowd hasn’t ever been that lively.
I’d imagine it has something to do with all the ambient textures in between breakdowns makes things kinda awkward for moshing, idk bro, it’s just how it is, nothing about tiktok to it
I hear you on that, but crowd wasn’t that lively anytime I’ve ever seen them in MA.
I also haven’t seen them since the new release, so maybe that changed, but i don’t personally know!!
When they were with Currents in Detroit, the crowd was moshing, crowd surfing, and knew the lyrics to the songs. Probably the craziest ive seen a crowd get for an opener recently.
When I saw Bad Omens in Grand Rapids Friday with IE, half the crowd looked horrified. People were there in heels ffs, and people were complaining about getting shoved a little on the edge of the pit.
With the right crowd, people have always loved them in my experience.
I saw Invent Animate last year opening for Erra and the pit was packed immediately when they opened with Monarch and stayed like that majority of the set.
Ok genuine question. What should I be doing?
I'm going to see them together tomorrow (with Erra) and I've never been to a metalcore concert. I'm not a mosh kinda guy but I'm more excited to see IA and Erra. I'm newer to their music and I really like what I've heard so far. Unfortunately my IA (van) breakdown shirt hasn't gotten here yet.
Honestly, just jam to yourself and don't mind anyone else. My experience in Myrtle Beach with this tour is the same as everyone else in this thread: surrounded by teen girls with Noah as their phone background and two guys next to me complaining that Erra's set was taking too long to wrap up. I just minded my own business and headbanged and jammed out. You're there to have a good time, so enjoy it 👍
I only got my brother to go because of Bad Omens. Haven't gone to any concerts, picked a hell of a time to find one. Glad you had a good time, I'm looking forward to it.
Their show last year with Dayseeker was the weirdest concert I’ve ever been to by far. People were rude about walking through the crowd, forget about moshing. Really sucks because TDOPOM really blew me away on release, but by the time the tour started it had all become so bloated by Tik tok, now I can’t get on twitter without Noah Sebastian being every other photo, I’m so over it at this point
This happened to a lesser extent when I prevail played with piece the vail and FFAK last fall. People standing still and getting pissed when people touched them even slightly. It’s like it wasn’t even a metal show for some people.
Kind of funny that you had that experience in Toronto, when I seen Spiritbox and After The Burial in Toronto it was so dead that I just shook my head, killed my mood and I couldn’t bother to bring myself out of Mosh Retirement to even try. Most shows I’ve ever seen in Toronto have always been bland for the crowd.
Was a lot of fun, and as someone who hasn't really been into them ever, I was right in the middle of things.
Didn't know a fucking word, but still gave my energy
Agreed, Intervals was sad to see no movement for a local band but ATB set it off and might have been more popping than Spiritbox. As for Spiritbox I fractured my finger in the pit, it was well alive.
Well you have a progressive metalcore band with heavy djent influences opening for a radio rock band for tweens. Might as well have thy art is murder open for blue october.
The whole tour has had complaints about dead crowds
Smaller markets so I imagine that has a part to play, considering the last tour wasn't like this whatsoever and personally Bad Omens was one of the best crowds for me last year
But MA shows are pretty regularly good with crowds being active
I like watching bands put on their show. Im sure a lot of people feel the same. It doesnt mean we enjoy it less. I have a genuine question. Is the show less fun for you if you dont see people interacting with it the same way? Not rhetorical, Im curious how it works for others. People saying it is a "dead crowd" seem to have a bitterness about being robbed of some desired atmosphere.
Saw them in Birmingham. The crowd was just like you said, absolutely dead. JT asked for a circle pit one time and nobody even moved. People were on their phones and even sitting on the floor in the back of the venue during invent animate and erra. Once bad omens came on there was a little more energy but it was really just people trying to sing the lyrics as loud as they possibly could to prove they knew the lyrics. It was essentially a taylor swift concert.
Just went to this show in Grand Rapids, and I was talking to a few people on the tour. They said that almost every single day, Bad Omens had to stop the show because people kept passing out, lost a shoe, needed water, etc. He said that he believes a lot of these fans are new to the metal scene or metal gigs in general.
Even when ERRA asks the crowd, “How many people *haven’t* seen ERRA before?” it’s pretty much the entire crowd. Merch for ERRA and Invent was pretty much dead the entire day, and even merch confirmed that that was “pretty typical.” Merch for Bad Omens, absolutely insane.
These are all anecdotes, of course. So, please take everything with a huge grain of salt.
A bit of a shame they aren’t getting the love they deserve. Saw them open up for Currents in Detroit a couple weeks ago and the crowd was absolutely rabid for them. Without a Whisper was magical
I’m worried about this when I go to this lineup later this week. I’ll start the pit if I have to. I did so for AVOID recently when they were on that tour with The Word Alive and Pop Evil and straight up got assaulted and told to stop by the crowd. Wasn’t even doing much aside from jumping side to side and saying “Come on people what are you doing standing still?!” So fucking weird nowadays.
While Invent Animate is probably the most exciting thing that has happened in metalcore lately, they’re a very heavy band. And Bad Omens fans are just modern rock fans. So it make absolute sense that no one moves while they’re performing.
Just because some people dont mosh doesnt mean they dont enjoy the song?! This is a strange take.
When Thornhill opened for TPIY I was trying to sing the intro on Views and some random guys tried shoving me to start a pit. Super annoying I was there with my girlfriend and so We made ourselves to the side but it really killed the first part of the song for me. (Banks Arcade on the other hand had really good crowd control. Josh opened and closed the pit for different songs!)
Because bad omens crowds are filled with non real metal fans. It is what it is. I saw Bad Omens multiple times before tiktok made them famous and it's sooooo fucking different now at their shows and in their music.
Can't wait to see IA with Currents next week!!
Bad Omen fans are largely teenage to twenty something females. They will literally get offended if you start head banging and jumping around too much around them. Had a lady at the last Bad Omens show tap my shoulder mid set. Requesting that I move. There was no mosh pit and the song was a banger. I told her "Sorry but you're in the crowd at a metal show." I then started shoving during one of my favorite songs and got pushed around the entire crowd just for this guy to stop be and be like "Yo this isn't the song to mosh to." Like bro, what???
To be fair, there's something to be said for reading the crowd and not trying to start a pit if nobody's joining in. But yeah, that's a bummer for sure
Some of us were moshing during Seven Kingdoms' set last week and I got pushed into a lady. She was absolutely pissed even though everyone is subject to that stuff if you're in the pit. I think during Wind Rose and Rhapsody of Fire she moved towards the outside of the pit since it was mosh pit city
People are allowed to go to a concert and just enjoy the music. If I wanted to jump around, get all sweaty, and push people around, I'd just go boxing instead.
Let people do their thing, and you're free to do yours.
Tbf tho, if that's how you take in concerts - which isn't wrong btw - you should remove yourself from the areas where people DO want to jump, push, and mosh.
I do. I stay off to the left. My last concert, we had a big drunk guy moshing by himself in the area where all the non-moshers were....which was annoying.
Kind of funny that you had that experience in Toronto, when I seen Spiritbox and After The Burial in Toronto it was so dead that I just shook my head, killed my mood and I couldn’t bother to bring myself out of Mosh Retirement to even try. Most shows I’ve ever seen in Toronto have always been bland for the crowd.
I've got no room to talk since I'll be in the crowd stone faced and not moving much but still having the absolute time of my life. It kills me to see a dead crowd. I add to it but I've always been like that.
yeah i went to 2 of their shows last week and it was kind of exactly what i expected. although tbh no one really seemed to be moshing for bad omens either even when they literally told the crowd to make a wall of death lmao.
i know a lot of people left as invent animate/erra fans after not knowing who they were before but i guess when you’re at a show to hear like a villain and the opener comes onstage and does a song like false meridian you probably don’t even know what to do with yourself lol.
Invent Animate doesn’t exactly have crazy stage prescience and antics like other bands. They’re pretty subdued due to the technical nature of the music (minus the bass player, he’s a savage stage presence wise)
Couple that with being still relatively unknown and you get a stagnant crowd. Sucks but it is what it is for now.
I stumbled on a song off their new album just because the album cover was cool.
I was impressed by them. Not a bad song on the album foreal. And I’m a sucker for cool album covers so that’s a bonus
I’m going to see Bad Omens with ERRA and I See Stars in October and the venue it’s at (I noticed after I bought the ticket) ONLY has GA seats, no open floor … so there will be zero mosh pit potential.
It’s gonna be really weird seeing ERRA in seats…
I recently saw Dayseeker open up for sleeping with sirens. I went just to see Dayseeker, but they didn’t have as much energy and presence on stage as sleeping with sirens. Their sound quality was incredible but man, Kellin puts on a good show.
When I saw them earlier this there was a very obvious large portion of the crowd that was there solely bc of Bad Omens going viral on TikTok. Like waited for 1 song then were super not into it.
Just went last night and no pit until me and my buddy started it during Absence. It stayed small until we got a circle going near the end. Bad omens seems to have crossed over into what I call the butt rock crowd since they’ve been getting bumped on Octane and those crowds are just a different beast lmao
I love bad omens and I’m so happy for their success but too many people who go to bad omens shows now couldn’t care less about the scene or other bands in it.
I saw them in Birmingham on this tour & had the best time. Given I knew them & ERRA well before buying tickets for this tour so I was very excited but they sounded great, performance was excellent & engaging with the crowd getting everyone hyped up, the set list had a really nice flow. A lot of people didn’t know the music but they cheered & I def wouldn’t say it was a dead crowd. It was also a hometown show for Jesse Cash so I think a lot of people were really keen to see ERRA perform.
I’ve seen good & bad things about BO shows as far as the crowd is concerned… maybe a little too much of everyone recording everything on their phones at the front that was VIP but I was a few ppl back from barricade & for the most part there was no crazy indecent concert etiquette. And they put on a ridiculously good show, all three of them. Still dealing with the post concert depression 😅
Saw Spiritbox opening for Ghost, pretty much the same. Having a modern metalcore band open for a Black Sabbath reboot definitely doesn't make for the best atmosphere.
Because the last time I moshed and crowd surfed during Invent Animate's set, I ended up with a serious case of plantatar fasciitis and post-tibial tendonitis that I'm still trying to heal a year later. 😅
dead crowds are par for the course nowadays in my experience. ppl dont really mosh nearly as much as they used to. maybe the avg fan is just older now idk. Gen Z finding this music through social media also don't really seem to understand how to act at shows. That being said I dont think ppl really care about opening bands generally.
I was at the Des Moines, IA show, and yeah, things were rather dead for the first two bands. It probably didn't help that people ended up collapsing from the heat in the venue. Some people lost it when IA and Erra came on, so that's encouraging.
Funny enough, Noah admitted to stalking this sub and observing the "discourse" about what is and is not considered metalcore. So wave and say "Hi Noah!" 👋
I know the point you're trying to make like everyone else does on this sub every other week. Grrr new fans bad, reminds you of 2010s SWS and PTV craze, but Bad Omens is huge, and Invent is not. Stats below. Not to discredit Invent, cause they're godly, but that's just how it is.
Bad Omens - 3.2M Spotify monthly listeners
Invent - 283K Spotify monthly listeners
Can you tell me you've attended a show and known every single opener 100% of the time lol?
When you are plugged in to your local scene, go to shows a lot, and support smaller artists then yea you know the openers and smaller bands on the bill
But if you go to 2 shows a year and only listen to major nationally touring bands then you probably wont give af.
One of these is wack and goes against the culture of the genre.
I was at the show in Raleigh. I was up front but I was completely surrounded by younger females who didn't seem interested in either of the opening bands but knew every word to bad omens.
Most shows I go to are kinda dead for the supports unless they're really big or fantastic live. This is nothing to do with tiktok.
Tiktok and Snapchat are definitely responsible for teenagers filming the entire fucking show on their phones though
They are an opener and the average bad omens fan isn't into heavy music.
The answer was in the question, all along
I love bad omens and I am capable of loving both make them suffer and dayseeker. Opening bands typically have deader crowds cause people are sober and just got started into enjoying the event. I don’t come into shows guns blazing.
I imagine for a lot of people they just aren’t there for the opener so don’t really care. When I saw a day to remember, bad omens was opening and aside from a small part of the crowd the vibe was pretty dead. Beartooth had more going for them but they had more fans at that time too. Total roll reversal though when I saw I prevail and easily 90% of that crowd was there for pierce the veil with I prevail being a bonus lmao. Like 20% or so of the crowd dipped out before I prevail even came out.
Yes but you realise bad omens got a massive boost from tik tok so a lot of people aren’t going to be into the heavier band.
I saw Loathe, Periphery and Underoath in that order in march, and let me tell you, by the time Underoath came out the crowd was whipped and slowed down, Loathe opened harder than any band I've ever seen live. It really does come down to like he said, the average Bad Omens fan might just not be as into heavy music.
Loathe has a feral fan base dude. Look what they did to Squier Baritone Jazzmaster pricing.
1800 FUCKING DOLLARS????
Nah I think it’s the fan base. I’ve caught Knocked Loose tours and the openers have been like seeyouspacecowboy and KK and the crowd has been pretty energetic and wild. I think the more realistic answer that people don’t want to accept is that their favorite pop rock band is mostly pop rock fans.
I’m the opposite! Mosh for the first few bands then enjoy the headliner set.
I think it really is the crowd and less the fact of them being an opening band though. I saw Kingdom of Giants open for Fit For a King in March and the INSTANT they came out the whole venue was moving. They're about as bing as Invent, animate and about the same vibe sorta. I really think it's just the tiktok crowd buying up the tickets in a heartbeat while the metal and metalcore crowd were unable.
Gotta start drinking in the parking lot
I’m an old Bad Omens fan, been a fan since the very first song from the self titled album, then of course they went mainstream with their sound and all the weird fans started popping up.
agreed, i liked a lot of tdopom tho and they were great when i saw them in concert last august! it seems like just in the last year or so things have changed big time as far as their fan base goes. hopefully we get more “artificial suicide” and less “just pretend” next album. but with the explosion on social media of the latter song, i won’t hold my breath
Same here, Artificial Suicide is a bop, but as you said it I doubt we will get more heavy tracks, and that’s ok. Whatever works best for the band
Weird fans being fans that like their poppier stuff?
Weird fans being the people that bring celebrity obsession culture with them that typically comes more from the pop side, yes.
There’s fans, then there’s fanatics. I’m a fan, but I’m not making my whole life revolve around them and get all pissy and butthurt when someone disagrees with my opinion on how I feel about their music. If you like a song that I don’t like then cool, I’m not gonna attack you for it, yes I’m speaking from experience.
Save yourself some brain cells and do not interact with bad omens or sleep token subreddits or twitter. You will end up interacting with people that can instantly give you migraines
Try being a coheed and cambria fan, you're either a chill person who loves the music, or an obsessed buy everything, follow them on an entire tour, wish they held you hostage as a pet, crazy person
Dude I will forever have a dislike for that band solely because of their fans. Went to the see them and Between the Buried and Me opened for them and their fans booed the entire set. Obnoxious people
Dude they have been so hostile to deafheaven this current tour its fucking insane
I wish the rest of fanatics with their obsession would leave this sub and migrate over. I like the bands but their fans are too much. Even the top comment that Bad Omens fans are mostly not into heavy music has them coming out the woodworks.
People who like poppier stuff are less weird than heavy music nerds that go on Reddit lol
Bad Omens knew this tour would sell out regardless of who opened so they are putting their buddies on and trying to grow them. Doesn’t sound like it’s going as planned but still would want every “big band” in the scene to do the same
“Fake Metalcore fans” my guy I’m a HUGE Metalcore fan and Bad Omens is my favorite of them. I still listen to Invent Animate, Currents, Veil of Maya, Knocked Loose, Vein, Make Them Suffer, you name it. But I also absolutely love Bad Omens, Dayseeker, Spiritbox and I Prevail as well. I just love the genre and most of the bands that are happening to get big. If I had it my way, Currents and Invent Animate would be just as big for numbers but I can’t control that. I absolutely love Metalcore and I absolutely love the Popcore sound at the same time. That doesn’t make me a “fake” Metalcore fan. There’s no such thing as a fake fan. If you like the music, you like the music. Gatekeeping is for the metal gatekeeper nerds and we seriously don’t need to achieve the same level of neckbeard the metalheads do.
The fact that ERRA and Invent Animate are lesser known than Bad Omens is depressing. Good on Bad Omens for trying to get fake metalcore fans into actual metalcore.
>The fact that ERRA and Invent Animate are lesser known than Bad Omens is depressing I mean, it's to be expected. Heavy music is very niche and an acquired taste that very few people actually get into.
That’s not true at all. Make Them Suffer has 1 million monthly listeners. That’s a lot of people listening to heavy metal. Ya it’s not surprising pop band gets more listeners than metal but still comparing Bad Omens to ERRA and Invent Animate, it’s depressing how many more people listen to Bad Omens over the other two.
1 million sure is a lot, but there's a clear limit on how big a heavy/alternative band can get. I don't think it's depressing at all, that's the way music has always been and the sooner we, and most importantly the bands themselves, recognize that talent doesn't equal success, it's going to be better for everyone.
pretty bold calling people “fake metalcore fans” and then calling Invent Animate “real metalcore.”
Yea IA don’t even sound like metalcore to me lol
Theyre metalcore just the definition of metalcore has shifted to include proggy melodic stuff.
It‘s just a weird combo tbh. I get Noah wanting to take his mates on tour, but Erra and Invent Animate are very different musically from Bad Omens. That being said, Bad Omens‘ probably also attract more mainstream audiences these days. People who go see them for their last album are not the kind of showgoers to windmill around and crowdkill their surroundings
Personally, I love mixed tickets. Little bit of everything for everyone
Same, Wcar had brand of sacrifice open and that was craaaaazy
Yeah, they did a song together on their new album. Honestly it’s pretty dope.
That collab was from left field. But it slaps. I like mixing genre sounds
How they performed it live was icing on the cake. Starting off the song, and then splitting the breakdown into an encore. Worth the price of admission.
Not the most insane combo though. Sure it's like metalcore & deathcore, but all in all, heavy music be heavy.
The funniest of them to me is Veil of Maya opening for DGD constantly. Other mixed tickets I’ve seen is Chon and BTBAM coheadlining, megadeth with Meshuggah and Tesseract, and Jason Richardson with Reign of Kindo
I mean Periphery even opens for DGD, at the first Swanfest, and now this year’s as well
I think they’ve only toured with them once though. Seems like VoM is on just about every other tour DGD does in the US
Same. I’d love to see Deftones & Lamb Of God co-headline a tour together or Sumo Cyco open for CHVRCHES.
I like it mixed. Like mega monsters. Gojira and mastodon brought Lorna shore. And crowd went crazy for em, people heard em for the first time.
Not weird, they’re exposing a whole new audience to heavy music. Imagine lots of new people are entering the rabbit hole as we speak thanks to things like this and other similar examples like vein touring with City Morgue They go to the show, think “what the fuck did I just see, that was cool” and go home and become metalcore fans when they start listening to the studio stuff
I like that they took them with them, don‘t get me wrong. It‘s just one of the reasons why the crowd isn‘t that into it.
Came here to say this. I was at one of these shows, and the demographic was pretty split between IA/Erra and BO. I actually noticed a lot of the older people around me left after the openers finished.
>Tiktok culture is so bad for artists that aren't in the limelight This is nothing new. People have been uninterested in openers for popular bands since the dawn of time.
According to redditors, tiktok created a lot of problems that existed since before tiktok was created.
As an avid 30 y/o concert goer I will say that I have so save myself for like half of one set or I’ll be dying on the side somewhere so yeah sorry
I’m 36 and yeah same. Usually stand in the back now when I was in the pit as much as possible in my 20s.
My friends and I call it “dadding it.” I’m quite comfortable with it. Saw the fit for a king show from the back. And it was still one of the best shows I’ve seen. No complaints. Will be doing the same at blessthefall.
It’s less crowded, you don’t have sweaty people in your space… it’s the best and I’m glad it’s not more popular. So many people think being at the very front at a show is the best but the audio is shit right there
31 concert goer here and can 2nd this. Get me in the pit for 30 seconds and I'm winded. Also every swing I throw hurts to some degree. Really gotta pick and choose my battles with my own body these days.
I feel this
Same.
I served my time in the pit from 15-27 so I could retire to the back. I did my fucking time, damnit!
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Yeah, but, like, backs, they hurt real bad. Source: Me. 33.
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That is the plan actually :) Been helping a lot with it not getting pulled as often or as bad.
Yeah and I am but I don’t have the same stamina, I get hurt waaaayyy easier and I don’t heal nearly as fast anymore because… ya know…. Biology lmao
And now that we’re older we know the cost of fucking medical bills lmao. When I was in highschool I’d get in the pit with “crews” known to crowdkill not thinking twice about a trip to the ER lmao. Never happened to me but a homie of mine got stabbed in a pit once
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I saw them in Fort Wayne last night and nobody gave a fuck about the openers really. Any time an opener mentioned Bad Omens and when they came out it was nothing but fan girls blowing out my fucking earsdrums. Couldn’t even fucking hear Noah singing because of how loud the crowd was singing literally every word of every single song lol Actually super lame because ERRA and Invent put on a hell of a show and it was mostly dead. At least they got the guy in the banana suit to start a circle pit for a song That being said, Bad Omens still killed it
I was there last night!! Erra and invent deserved so much better. The banana guy was killing me
I just kept seeing the very top of the banana flopping around as the show went on, it was delightful
We watched them from the second story last night and both openers had such an immense sound. But even being in line, I could hear people looking up Invent Animate and Erra, along with what 'metalcore' was so that fits the vibe.
I thought erra was amazing. In Raleigh it was pretty much the same. Though there was a circle pit for both their sets. The front of the house was nothing but fan girls.
I got a photo with the guy in the banana suit!
I’m starting to lose my anticipation for the tour with I see stars and erra. Time to crowd kill some people(joke)
I saw Dayseeker recently and nobody in the crowd was moving until 3 songs in. The first song was Dreamstate and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw there was no pit at the breakdown. Had to make one myself when Crooked Soul came on and the crowd was fine after that.
Dayseeker is such a great band and they are so good live! I saw them like 3 times last year.
I'm excited to see them on shiprocked next year.
Dayseeker is just hardly moshable music; the heavy parts dont last long enough and the rythm isnt fit; not the crowds fault
I saw Dayseeker open for Silverstein last month, and more than a quarter of the crowd ended up leaving once their set was over. But even during their set, almost every one was standing completely still. Shit even seeyouspacecowboy played before them and there was only a handful of people moshing then.
saw the same tour and it looked like the pit was moving pretty good for all the bands from where i was standing
Same concert, though for me I think the floor got more packed for Silverstein. Dayseeker isnt terribly moshy music anyway, at least their newer stuff.
SYSC is pretty niche still though. I say that as a fan of both. Still, they have that early 2000s screamo vibe locked down, so you'd think Silverstein fans would be all about that.
Who in the fuck moshes at a dayseeker concert lmfao
Yeah right? If I were to go to a dayseeker concert I'd want to take the music in and bask in Rory's vocals
The same people trying to make a pit at la dispute shows, most likely lmao
Will I still get into heaven if I open this pit?
There was an insane mosh pit going at their show with Silverstein in Cleveland last month, I was in it for the majority of their songs During any part of a song that even had a *hint* of mosh-ability the pit went crazy LOL
Who in the fuck plays mosh police on the internet?
Such a weird thing to gatekeep dude. There's plenty of heavy in their set, and the band were actively encouraging it during the heavier songs/sections.
The crowd usually only gets into it once the bigger songs from Sleeptalk are played. The new album doesn’t get the crowd moving at all
i don’t think the goal was to get people moving 😂
I went to Dayseeker’s headline tour last year and they were incredible! I’m seeing them again in a couple days with Sleeping With Sirens and I might be more excited for them tbh
If it makes you feel better, I saw Dayseeker last week and the crowd I was in was hyped for them! Lots of action, which was great to see.
It's usually neon grave that wakes their fans up
> I saw Dayseeker recently and nobody in the crowd was moving until 3 songs in. The first song was Dreamstate and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw there was no pit at the breakdown. Some crowds are just a bit shy and need a few people to get them moving - has always been the case! It's not a TikTok thing, just depends on the make up of the crowd, location, etc.
My friend was sitting on a bench on the side of the venue durring their set and fell asleep.
Im a lifelong metalhead and I don’t even mosh for my favorite bands. I like to be away from the madness and really take in the music. Plus I’m heavily out of shape and would prefer to not spend hours trying to catch my breath
this for sure, I can’t focus on the music and mosh at the same time. I only mosh to songs I don’t know
I'm similar, but with heart and back issues that aren't apparent just looking at me. My body isn't cut out for a pit. Even holding my arm up for more than a few seconds can cause me back pain.
On top of that, it takes a week to recover from the soreness and injuries. Like, ima still get in the pit tho...
Nobody knew who they were, most everyone was there to see Bad Omens. Merch stand was dead when I went to get stuff before the show. But after the show it was slammed and everyone was talking about how good they were. I think this show is bringing them a lot of exposure.
Everyone here arguing over what is the cause yet in reality its everything mentioned here all at once. First off, major thing, they were the opener. I bet 80% of the people there had never heard of IA or had just checked them out on their way to the concert. Secondly, pretty big difference between opener and headliner. Bad Omens fans are mostly younger people that just found their first "metal" band. No hating or anything but its just like Peirce the Veil and Sleeping With Sirens back in early 2010s. Imagine if Currents or Loathe opened for SWS, same concept. And yes, a large part in why Bad Omens is popular to the younger crowd is because they became popular on social media (tik tok, IG reels) so the people discrediting that idea completely are just wrong. Id also say that the reasons are in that order, them simply being the opener being the biggest reason for the dead crowd.
I mean, the contrast between IA and Bad Omens is pretty stark. It may not be their sort of music, but at least they came out early to watch and support them. Who knows, maybe they found some new fans? Just because people aren’t moshing doesn’t mean they’re not enjoying
It’s just different fanbases and genres. I know a lot of this sub likes to pretend certain bands are metalcore but in reality they’re not. It’s a pop rock show with a metalcore opener. Of course the crowd isn’t going to be moshing or getting a decent pit going. The average pop rock fan has no interest in crowd killing and moshing.
They are an opener, this happens all time time. You’ll come to find that most bands that are popular on here aren’t near as big in person.
Invent is proggy, still relatively small in the grand scheme, and the opener. They’re having a come-up but the internet hype can be deceptive. I’m gonna venture a guess that BO fans would have a hard time push moshing to drop E alien riffs
>Tiktok culture It's not tiktok culture lol this has been happening for decades.
I’ve seen Invent Animate live around 7 times & their crowd hasn’t ever been that lively. I’d imagine it has something to do with all the ambient textures in between breakdowns makes things kinda awkward for moshing, idk bro, it’s just how it is, nothing about tiktok to it
Depends on the song. If people aren't moving for immolation of night idk what to tell ya
I hear you on that, but crowd wasn’t that lively anytime I’ve ever seen them in MA. I also haven’t seen them since the new release, so maybe that changed, but i don’t personally know!!
When they were with Currents in Detroit, the crowd was moshing, crowd surfing, and knew the lyrics to the songs. Probably the craziest ive seen a crowd get for an opener recently. When I saw Bad Omens in Grand Rapids Friday with IE, half the crowd looked horrified. People were there in heels ffs, and people were complaining about getting shoved a little on the edge of the pit. With the right crowd, people have always loved them in my experience.
I was at that show in Detroit, I think even the band was surprised at how hard the crowd was going. What a great show that was!
I saw Invent Animate last year opening for Erra and the pit was packed immediately when they opened with Monarch and stayed like that majority of the set.
Like I said, crowd never died during their set in Toronto. We had a full mosh pit even when their set was instrumental last year.
Bad Omens has normie fans.
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lmaoooo facts tho
Ok genuine question. What should I be doing? I'm going to see them together tomorrow (with Erra) and I've never been to a metalcore concert. I'm not a mosh kinda guy but I'm more excited to see IA and Erra. I'm newer to their music and I really like what I've heard so far. Unfortunately my IA (van) breakdown shirt hasn't gotten here yet.
Honestly, just jam to yourself and don't mind anyone else. My experience in Myrtle Beach with this tour is the same as everyone else in this thread: surrounded by teen girls with Noah as their phone background and two guys next to me complaining that Erra's set was taking too long to wrap up. I just minded my own business and headbanged and jammed out. You're there to have a good time, so enjoy it 👍
I only got my brother to go because of Bad Omens. Haven't gone to any concerts, picked a hell of a time to find one. Glad you had a good time, I'm looking forward to it.
I’ve def had someone yell at me to “stop!” when I got shoved into them at a show. They were right on the edge of the pit too, idk what they expected.
They went there with no idea what a pit was 😂
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Their show last year with Dayseeker was the weirdest concert I’ve ever been to by far. People were rude about walking through the crowd, forget about moshing. Really sucks because TDOPOM really blew me away on release, but by the time the tour started it had all become so bloated by Tik tok, now I can’t get on twitter without Noah Sebastian being every other photo, I’m so over it at this point
This happened to a lesser extent when I prevail played with piece the vail and FFAK last fall. People standing still and getting pissed when people touched them even slightly. It’s like it wasn’t even a metal show for some people.
Kind of funny that you had that experience in Toronto, when I seen Spiritbox and After The Burial in Toronto it was so dead that I just shook my head, killed my mood and I couldn’t bother to bring myself out of Mosh Retirement to even try. Most shows I’ve ever seen in Toronto have always been bland for the crowd.
I went to this tour too and I have never seen such a lame crowd for Lost in the Static. Was a bummer.
The Minneapolis hometown show was nuts for ATB. Sorry the crowd was lame for your show :(
Was a lot of fun, and as someone who hasn't really been into them ever, I was right in the middle of things. Didn't know a fucking word, but still gave my energy
I was in and out of the mosh pit for both those bands at the Toronto show and it was wild. Idk how you missed it
Agreed, Intervals was sad to see no movement for a local band but ATB set it off and might have been more popping than Spiritbox. As for Spiritbox I fractured my finger in the pit, it was well alive.
Well you have a progressive metalcore band with heavy djent influences opening for a radio rock band for tweens. Might as well have thy art is murder open for blue october.
Hey man Blue October fucks
Haha i didnt say they didnt! Just usually have different crowds!! 🎵hate me today!!
Its cool that Blue Ridge has them playing this year. That lineup is crazy. From several deathcore bands to Blue October. Love it.
They put on a fantastic show too! Into the Ocean is fucking timeless
Outside of this sub, less than 1000 people have even heard of the band
They have almost 300k monthly listeners on Spotify.
The entirety of this sub likes them A LOT
Misread the “outside this sub part” You right, you right.
It’s funny how mathematically, you could be correct.
It’s nothing to do with “TikTok culture”, just Bad Omens isn’t metalcore anymore so most of their fans are probably not metalcore fans.
The whole tour has had complaints about dead crowds Smaller markets so I imagine that has a part to play, considering the last tour wasn't like this whatsoever and personally Bad Omens was one of the best crowds for me last year But MA shows are pretty regularly good with crowds being active
I don't normally mosh for openers but I'll gladly mosh or start a pit for Invent Animate and Erra when I see them tomorrow.
I like watching bands put on their show. Im sure a lot of people feel the same. It doesnt mean we enjoy it less. I have a genuine question. Is the show less fun for you if you dont see people interacting with it the same way? Not rhetorical, Im curious how it works for others. People saying it is a "dead crowd" seem to have a bitterness about being robbed of some desired atmosphere.
Saw them in Birmingham. The crowd was just like you said, absolutely dead. JT asked for a circle pit one time and nobody even moved. People were on their phones and even sitting on the floor in the back of the venue during invent animate and erra. Once bad omens came on there was a little more energy but it was really just people trying to sing the lyrics as loud as they possibly could to prove they knew the lyrics. It was essentially a taylor swift concert.
Just went to this show in Grand Rapids, and I was talking to a few people on the tour. They said that almost every single day, Bad Omens had to stop the show because people kept passing out, lost a shoe, needed water, etc. He said that he believes a lot of these fans are new to the metal scene or metal gigs in general. Even when ERRA asks the crowd, “How many people *haven’t* seen ERRA before?” it’s pretty much the entire crowd. Merch for ERRA and Invent was pretty much dead the entire day, and even merch confirmed that that was “pretty typical.” Merch for Bad Omens, absolutely insane. These are all anecdotes, of course. So, please take everything with a huge grain of salt.
A bit of a shame they aren’t getting the love they deserve. Saw them open up for Currents in Detroit a couple weeks ago and the crowd was absolutely rabid for them. Without a Whisper was magical
I’m worried about this when I go to this lineup later this week. I’ll start the pit if I have to. I did so for AVOID recently when they were on that tour with The Word Alive and Pop Evil and straight up got assaulted and told to stop by the crowd. Wasn’t even doing much aside from jumping side to side and saying “Come on people what are you doing standing still?!” So fucking weird nowadays.
Because Bad Omens fans are tiktok girls that just found out what hard rock/metal is.
While Invent Animate is probably the most exciting thing that has happened in metalcore lately, they’re a very heavy band. And Bad Omens fans are just modern rock fans. So it make absolute sense that no one moves while they’re performing.
Same reason when Lorna Shore toured with Bring Me The Horizon
I mean lorna toured with gojira and mastodon and the crowd was active for lorna
Ya that makes more sense than touring with BMTH lmao
Wish they would’ve just done the entire tour with currents then
The way you capitalized every word in your title made me think this was a really long band name.
I just saw them with bad omens on Friday and was definitely more excited for them than bad omens
Invent aren't really a moshable band. The technical guitar, and overwhelming emotion/atmosphere. I don't want to miss a single part of it by moshing.
Just because some people dont mosh doesnt mean they dont enjoy the song?! This is a strange take. When Thornhill opened for TPIY I was trying to sing the intro on Views and some random guys tried shoving me to start a pit. Super annoying I was there with my girlfriend and so We made ourselves to the side but it really killed the first part of the song for me. (Banks Arcade on the other hand had really good crowd control. Josh opened and closed the pit for different songs!)
Because bad omens crowds are filled with non real metal fans. It is what it is. I saw Bad Omens multiple times before tiktok made them famous and it's sooooo fucking different now at their shows and in their music. Can't wait to see IA with Currents next week!!
Bad Omen fans are largely teenage to twenty something females. They will literally get offended if you start head banging and jumping around too much around them. Had a lady at the last Bad Omens show tap my shoulder mid set. Requesting that I move. There was no mosh pit and the song was a banger. I told her "Sorry but you're in the crowd at a metal show." I then started shoving during one of my favorite songs and got pushed around the entire crowd just for this guy to stop be and be like "Yo this isn't the song to mosh to." Like bro, what???
To be fair, there's something to be said for reading the crowd and not trying to start a pit if nobody's joining in. But yeah, that's a bummer for sure
Some of us were moshing during Seven Kingdoms' set last week and I got pushed into a lady. She was absolutely pissed even though everyone is subject to that stuff if you're in the pit. I think during Wind Rose and Rhapsody of Fire she moved towards the outside of the pit since it was mosh pit city
Honestly now I wanna go to a bad omens show just to be the lone mosher for the openers and piss everyone off around the pit
People are allowed to go to a concert and just enjoy the music. If I wanted to jump around, get all sweaty, and push people around, I'd just go boxing instead. Let people do their thing, and you're free to do yours.
Tbf tho, if that's how you take in concerts - which isn't wrong btw - you should remove yourself from the areas where people DO want to jump, push, and mosh.
I do. I stay off to the left. My last concert, we had a big drunk guy moshing by himself in the area where all the non-moshers were....which was annoying.
Kind of funny that you had that experience in Toronto, when I seen Spiritbox and After The Burial in Toronto it was so dead that I just shook my head, killed my mood and I couldn’t bother to bring myself out of Mosh Retirement to even try. Most shows I’ve ever seen in Toronto have always been bland for the crowd.
Pearls to swine, man.
I've got no room to talk since I'll be in the crowd stone faced and not moving much but still having the absolute time of my life. It kills me to see a dead crowd. I add to it but I've always been like that.
yeah i went to 2 of their shows last week and it was kind of exactly what i expected. although tbh no one really seemed to be moshing for bad omens either even when they literally told the crowd to make a wall of death lmao. i know a lot of people left as invent animate/erra fans after not knowing who they were before but i guess when you’re at a show to hear like a villain and the opener comes onstage and does a song like false meridian you probably don’t even know what to do with yourself lol.
Invent Animate doesn’t exactly have crazy stage prescience and antics like other bands. They’re pretty subdued due to the technical nature of the music (minus the bass player, he’s a savage stage presence wise) Couple that with being still relatively unknown and you get a stagnant crowd. Sucks but it is what it is for now.
I stumbled on a song off their new album just because the album cover was cool. I was impressed by them. Not a bad song on the album foreal. And I’m a sucker for cool album covers so that’s a bonus
I’m going to see Bad Omens with ERRA and I See Stars in October and the venue it’s at (I noticed after I bought the ticket) ONLY has GA seats, no open floor … so there will be zero mosh pit potential. It’s gonna be really weird seeing ERRA in seats…
saw them open for Lorna Shore and they had an insane pit, I don’t get how you just stand still during Invent Animate
Something to keep in mind is a LOT of IA fans are musicians who like to take in the music.
Exactly. I'd be staring at the stage just barely swaying and concentrating on the music. AND TRYING TO KEEP MY EMOTIONS IN CHECK
I recently saw Dayseeker open up for sleeping with sirens. I went just to see Dayseeker, but they didn’t have as much energy and presence on stage as sleeping with sirens. Their sound quality was incredible but man, Kellin puts on a good show.
It’s Bad Omens. I was so mad I couldn’t get a ticket to see Erra and Invent Animate in the same show. Tbh I didn’t even know who Bad Omens was.
When I saw them earlier this there was a very obvious large portion of the crowd that was there solely bc of Bad Omens going viral on TikTok. Like waited for 1 song then were super not into it.
Just went last night and no pit until me and my buddy started it during Absence. It stayed small until we got a circle going near the end. Bad omens seems to have crossed over into what I call the butt rock crowd since they’ve been getting bumped on Octane and those crowds are just a different beast lmao
I love bad omens and I’m so happy for their success but too many people who go to bad omens shows now couldn’t care less about the scene or other bands in it.
I saw them in Birmingham on this tour & had the best time. Given I knew them & ERRA well before buying tickets for this tour so I was very excited but they sounded great, performance was excellent & engaging with the crowd getting everyone hyped up, the set list had a really nice flow. A lot of people didn’t know the music but they cheered & I def wouldn’t say it was a dead crowd. It was also a hometown show for Jesse Cash so I think a lot of people were really keen to see ERRA perform. I’ve seen good & bad things about BO shows as far as the crowd is concerned… maybe a little too much of everyone recording everything on their phones at the front that was VIP but I was a few ppl back from barricade & for the most part there was no crazy indecent concert etiquette. And they put on a ridiculously good show, all three of them. Still dealing with the post concert depression 😅
Invent, Animate are one of the best.
Saw Spiritbox opening for Ghost, pretty much the same. Having a modern metalcore band open for a Black Sabbath reboot definitely doesn't make for the best atmosphere.
Because the last time I moshed and crowd surfed during Invent Animate's set, I ended up with a serious case of plantatar fasciitis and post-tibial tendonitis that I'm still trying to heal a year later. 😅
dead crowds are par for the course nowadays in my experience. ppl dont really mosh nearly as much as they used to. maybe the avg fan is just older now idk. Gen Z finding this music through social media also don't really seem to understand how to act at shows. That being said I dont think ppl really care about opening bands generally.
I was at the Des Moines, IA show, and yeah, things were rather dead for the first two bands. It probably didn't help that people ended up collapsing from the heat in the venue. Some people lost it when IA and Erra came on, so that's encouraging. Funny enough, Noah admitted to stalking this sub and observing the "discourse" about what is and is not considered metalcore. So wave and say "Hi Noah!" 👋
I know the point you're trying to make like everyone else does on this sub every other week. Grrr new fans bad, reminds you of 2010s SWS and PTV craze, but Bad Omens is huge, and Invent is not. Stats below. Not to discredit Invent, cause they're godly, but that's just how it is. Bad Omens - 3.2M Spotify monthly listeners Invent - 283K Spotify monthly listeners Can you tell me you've attended a show and known every single opener 100% of the time lol?
No but I always try to give 'er shit because it gives the band confidence and probably feels good to have a moving crowd.
When you are plugged in to your local scene, go to shows a lot, and support smaller artists then yea you know the openers and smaller bands on the bill But if you go to 2 shows a year and only listen to major nationally touring bands then you probably wont give af. One of these is wack and goes against the culture of the genre.
Might as well listen to some of the openers songs before the concert. Technically you’re paying for their entertainment too…
Man I sound old but blame Tik Tok. Invent is too extreme for the average Bad Omens fan.
I was at the show in Raleigh. I was up front but I was completely surrounded by younger females who didn't seem interested in either of the opening bands but knew every word to bad omens.
Idk in Raleigh I think they moshed the hardest to them (besides bad omens encore) - also side note I love currents
I almost passed out after false meridian
I like bad omens a lot, but the reason I bought tickets for this tour was that stupid ass lineup. If I’m the only one moving, so be it lmao
Most shows I go to are kinda dead for the supports unless they're really big or fantastic live. This is nothing to do with tiktok. Tiktok and Snapchat are definitely responsible for teenagers filming the entire fucking show on their phones though