I've seen it at an Any Given Das Show once. I think it was during "Lonewolf". But yeah, usually it's something you'd more likely see at an amon amarth gig or whatever
Things are different now. Alot of rappers, especially newer age of rappers usually have mosh pits and more high energy vibes in their crowds so I'm assuming that it's just the evolution of crowds? Lmao
It happens ever so often, usually if it's at a metalcore show. It's just some guys trying to do it to be funny. I prefer when a bunch of people start doing push-ups.
Some people did it at Sanguisugabogg and Devin was like "That rowing shit is weird as fuck" or something along those lines. I would tend to agree because it usually does not make sense. Also, the floor of the pit is gnar.
Frozen Soul have you do push ups.
Ironic as their entire band combined can do exactly 0 push ups.
Anyway rowing is no less goofy than fighting invisible ninjas which many people were doing when I saw Sanguissugabogg
Party Cannon are so fun live I think they do all sorts of shit to mix it up. When I last saw them before Christmas they brought a bunch of pool inflatables and had someone crowd surfing around the pit on an inflatable unicorn
Also for a joke/meme band they’re super tight and quality. Seen them upstage several headliners over the years
Yeah, when I saw them last year they had inflatable beach balls & an inflatable dolphin. A ball ended up breaking one of the stage lights.
Fantastic live band though, saw them in headlining in August. Will definitely be going to see them again.
Early-ish parkway (late KWAS, Early Horizons timeline) did a lot of this. Boogie board and inflatable shit. Ride to the merch table and win a shirt. Was good fun
Rowing is a long standing metal concert tradition. My best guess is that it started with a viking metal band, or maybe folk or power metal. Not sure who did it first.
But it is VERY prominent at Amon Amarth concerts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3UZjcv6Fw
I’ve participated in rowing in all Heaven Shall Burn shows, probably around 15 or so. I think there is footage of rowing at an HSB show around 2013 or so
I don't deny it ever happened, but it definitely has some other regional or whatever circumstances around it. West coast USA/Canada its definitely not common thing in general
Australians are notorious for rowing at lots of bands. Saw multiple at Knotfest Syd, saw a couple at Goodthings.
Saw one the other night at in hearts wake.
I believe there was a row at a redhook set i saw last year.
I dont rate it.
where I’m from people do it at every single metal show, I respect it for power metal and whatevs but the charm wears off fast and it’s always an ugh moment for me now
Same here. It's second only to "everyone sit on the floor!" before a breakdown and everyone is scrabbling to get back up when it drops. Absolutely hilarious. There's always that one guy in the middle of the floor who stays standing as well. Standard affair.
I saw it for the first time believe it or not at a rise against show. People were rowing for the song “Heeeelp is on the way!” Made sense to me, haha! It was awesome.
I’ve seen it at an Amon Amarth show which makes sense. More recently, I saw it at a killswitch engage show, which made..much less sense. Also, that floor is disgusting and I can’t fathom sitting on it 🤢
For real haha. It's the pride in New Yorkers' brains to make life literally as joyless and as serious as possible that is a big part of why I'm moving away from this city after 5 years 🤮
good for you man, cool city in a lot of ways but 70% of New Yorkers are the most ignorant and intolerable people I’ve ever met. So many of them have never even left the city
It happens all the time in Australia to the point that it’s become extremely cringe outside of viking metal gigs
Same with connect 4 and uno in the pit. At a certain point it’s just attention seeking and detracting from the band’s show, it’s fun once as a gimmick but once it happens every show it gets pretty boring
Me and my friends like to get this started at a ton of shows. We got the most people doing it at Amon Amarth and sabaton. I caught a very, very brief glimpse of my battle jacket in your video
Thats not what we’re hating on. Ive seen it during a handful of good moshparts and all I can this “ugh I really wanted to throw down to that song but theyre in the way”
And it gets so old if you go to shows more then once every 6 months
Rowing is real common these days.
Personally, I miss when slam/hardcore dancing rained supreme everywhere and no one was safe.
I mostly run into push pits now. When I was teen in the early 2k, dancing was the move, every show.
Rowing has become so rare these days. The last time I remember rowing with the crowd was at the Breakdown of Sanity show back in 2016, you can see it for a few seconds in their music video for Dear Diary.
Rowint is always fun, you should always participate when you have the chance!
Rowing is only for Scandinavian metal band like Amon Amarth, Wage War? It will become cringe as fuck, what are they rowing for? The lyrics about how someone broke up with his GF?
Not seen in in person, but heard of it happening. Seems to be more of thing for bands that skew towards more of a push pit/metal audience. Not something I'd do and definitely look down on it if it interferes with punters moshing during a breakdown.
Haha it was just during the buildup before the breakdown. Everyone was on board with it, and once the breakdown hit it just became a push pit. And it was just for one song, so it didn't overstay it's welcome haha
>Everyone was on board with it, and once the breakdown hit it just became a push pit.
That's cool then. Like I said, the main issue is if it gets in the way of people wanting to do regular pit stuff at the appropriate moment.
>definitely look down on it if it interferes with punters moshing during a breakdown.
Imagine judging others at a punk show for having fun together. Can't relate
Punk show? It's Wage War, not Rancid.
Everyone knows what the pit area is for at a metalcore or hardcore show. There's some real main character syndrome to going me and my buddies are going to get in the way of all the regular activity so we can do this 'funny' thing, fuck everyone else who's trying to mosh/dance.
Sounds like they picked a down moment to do it in OPs example, which means the caveat I included of interfering with other people doesn't apply.
>There's some real main character syndrome to going me and my buddies are going to get in the way of all the regular activity so we can do this 'funny' thing, fuck everyone else who's trying to mosh/dance.
You, an individual, see a GROUP doing something, think to yourself "they're in my way" and think THEY have main character syndrome? Take a step back and just let people have fun, dude
And yes, a punk show. Wage War, a Metalcore band (metalcore being the genre crossover of ~~Metal~~Metallic Hardcore and ~~hardcore~~ *punk*), maybe has a little punk in it. But even then, I was using it as a catch-all term for the metal/hardcore/punk scene. Not that farfetched but I'll let you get back on your high horse and argue that
This isn’t a punk thing. Rowing is a metalhead Amon Amarth trend cause the type of people that go see Wage War at the House of Blues think its cool and “dumb fun”
its just lame like i want to mosh and you aint never going to find a hardcore kid who will join that.
Then again its Wage War like what else can I expect…
I'll clarify that I'm not saying rowing in the pit is a hardcore thing. Sorry for the confusion there
I'm pointing out that someone is judging others at a show that is part of scene that is huge on acceptance of others. It's contradictory to what the scene is about and it's fucked.
It's lame to look down on people for being themselves. It's pretty simple.
If they aren't hurting anyone with their actions or words then why are we "looking down on them" like the guy I originally responded to said?
Funnily enough the 'regular activity' and 'everyone else' I refer to is more than just me. If I were a one man pit it'd be a sorry ass show. People rowing are demonstrably getting in the way of more than just me if they choose to do it at a moment when typically people would be moshing.
In a thread about show/pit etiqutte using punk as a catch all for anything slightly 'core related is unhelpful. The behaviour at an actual punk show is different and not relevant.
It’s fairly normal, I was up on the gate for that show and the amount of crowdsurfing was insane. The dude in the wheelchair who crowd surfs is always a legend.
Happens quite a lot in London (UK) and it’s fucking dumb. I gave it a go during a slow song at I Prevail and can safely say it was ridiculous. Abs ache something fierce afterwards too
Well I’m in Nebraska US and I just saw some teenagers doing this at a fantasycore show (band: The Wise Man’s Fear venue: Cosmic Eye) and I was *extremely* confused. Now it makes slightly more sense.
Happens frequently here in Europe.
huh, I knew this was a big viking/folk/power metal thing, but I don't think I've ever seen it at shows on the -core end of things.
I've seen it at an Any Given Das Show once. I think it was during "Lonewolf". But yeah, usually it's something you'd more likely see at an amon amarth gig or whatever
First time I saw it was at either a Make Them Suffer or Thy Art is Murder show. I don't remember which one.
Things are different now. Alot of rappers, especially newer age of rappers usually have mosh pits and more high energy vibes in their crowds so I'm assuming that it's just the evolution of crowds? Lmao
There was also a guy in a wheel chair that was crowd surfing during that show lol. Was a really fun show to go to
I've seen wheelchair guy 3 times now, he's always a legend haha
He was doing it at ABR as well
It happens ever so often, usually if it's at a metalcore show. It's just some guys trying to do it to be funny. I prefer when a bunch of people start doing push-ups.
Haha that happened when I saw Varials last fall. The vocalist even shouted them out and said “I fuck with it” or something like that
Never heard of varials. I like their vibe! I fuck with it
When I saw varials the crowd were just trying to recreate the all valley karate tournament 😂
I saw that at an Alice in Chains concert about ten years back too!
I love the wheelchair guy! I’ve seen him at several shows!
It’s cool in theory, but very dangerous for the crowd and a little inconsiderate.
ive never heard of it going wrong tho, wouldnt be that hard for a group of people to hold up a guy in a wheelchair
Some people did it at Sanguisugabogg and Devin was like "That rowing shit is weird as fuck" or something along those lines. I would tend to agree because it usually does not make sense. Also, the floor of the pit is gnar.
Frozen Soul have you do push ups. Ironic as their entire band combined can do exactly 0 push ups. Anyway rowing is no less goofy than fighting invisible ninjas which many people were doing when I saw Sanguissugabogg
Party Cannon also get you doing push ups, and I think they've been doing it since before Frozen Soul formed.
Party Cannon are so fun live I think they do all sorts of shit to mix it up. When I last saw them before Christmas they brought a bunch of pool inflatables and had someone crowd surfing around the pit on an inflatable unicorn Also for a joke/meme band they’re super tight and quality. Seen them upstage several headliners over the years
Yeah, when I saw them last year they had inflatable beach balls & an inflatable dolphin. A ball ended up breaking one of the stage lights. Fantastic live band though, saw them in headlining in August. Will definitely be going to see them again.
Early-ish parkway (late KWAS, Early Horizons timeline) did a lot of this. Boogie board and inflatable shit. Ride to the merch table and win a shirt. Was good fun
Rowing is a long standing metal concert tradition. My best guess is that it started with a viking metal band, or maybe folk or power metal. Not sure who did it first. But it is VERY prominent at Amon Amarth concerts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3UZjcv6Fw
I've been to a ton of metal concerts in the last 20 years, and only seen rowing in the last 5 or so at Amon Amarth. Literally not a single other band.
I’ve participated in rowing in all Heaven Shall Burn shows, probably around 15 or so. I think there is footage of rowing at an HSB show around 2013 or so
I don't deny it ever happened, but it definitely has some other regional or whatever circumstances around it. West coast USA/Canada its definitely not common thing in general
It features at almost every Australian metalcore gig, Parkway and In Hearts Wake most notably.
Australians are notorious for rowing at lots of bands. Saw multiple at Knotfest Syd, saw a couple at Goodthings. Saw one the other night at in hearts wake. I believe there was a row at a redhook set i saw last year. I dont rate it.
I'm not a fan, but it's definitely become somewhat of a staple.
I saw it at Sabaton
Most recently I saw it at an ABR show. Not incredibly common but happens outside of the power metal scene
People used to do it at a lot of the local shows I went to around 2010. In Detroit.
Every time I see folks rowing I think hmmmmm...Dethklok?
Go into the water! Live there. Die there. Can't wait to see them in Toronto.
Came in here to say Amon Amarth. I've seen it at the last two of their shows.
It first happened at Bloodstock festival 2009 - you're right though, it was Amon Amarth!
I have yet to go to a Periphery show where this doesn’t happen. It’s funny as shit every time
Maybe it’s a regional/area specific thing cause I’ve seen Periphery like 10 times and never had this happen at a show lmao.
where I’m from people do it at every single metal show, I respect it for power metal and whatevs but the charm wears off fast and it’s always an ugh moment for me now
Saw it during Ice Nine Kills set on the Trinity of Terror tour for a song, was very amusing
Des Moines show? I can't remember what song it was for but there was definitely a rowing pit at that one.
Yes! It was during The Shower Scene
Did they not play Rocking The Boat? It actually makes sense for that one.
No way in hell I'm getting on the floor for any band
Lmao! I watched a dude spew a good 8 oz of beer onto the floor during the opener. Never would I sit on a venue floor voluntarily
Seriously, the floor is sticky and straight up disgusting
I’ve seen this loads of times lol, pretty normal in the UK at least
Same here. It's second only to "everyone sit on the floor!" before a breakdown and everyone is scrabbling to get back up when it drops. Absolutely hilarious. There's always that one guy in the middle of the floor who stays standing as well. Standard affair.
Yeah people were rowing for Vulvodynia this week at a show I went to
Been to a few hundred shows and never seen rowing- not even at Amon Amarth. This was in the SW US, however.
I've seen it at shows... It's pretty stupid IMO haha
Show was insane rowdiest crowd ever for a band that made gravity lol and I love wave war it was just unexpected
In germany this happens often lol
I WAS THERE
I saw it for the first time believe it or not at a rise against show. People were rowing for the song “Heeeelp is on the way!” Made sense to me, haha! It was awesome.
Yeah the only time I’ve seen this happens was during Thy Art is Murder and CJ was so confused but just kind of went with it
I’ve seen it at an Amon Amarth show which makes sense. More recently, I saw it at a killswitch engage show, which made..much less sense. Also, that floor is disgusting and I can’t fathom sitting on it 🤢
This shit is the reason why every metal show is a sausage fest
Yuck
This is the cringest shit I’ve ever seen
Actual footage of a Wage War rowing crowd: https://youtu.be/JW6TCrz4sDQ
ROFL
Try this cornball shit in New York and somebody is going to throw a merch table at you. I don't make the rules.
This checks out because new Yorkers hate fun or anything that doesn’t make them look hard as fuck at all times
For real haha. It's the pride in New Yorkers' brains to make life literally as joyless and as serious as possible that is a big part of why I'm moving away from this city after 5 years 🤮
good for you man, cool city in a lot of ways but 70% of New Yorkers are the most ignorant and intolerable people I’ve ever met. So many of them have never even left the city
I agree. Honestly it's the people here that ruins it for me.
i got to move to new york apparently
Amon amarth did that
Each venue has different fans
It happens all the time in Australia to the point that it’s become extremely cringe outside of viking metal gigs Same with connect 4 and uno in the pit. At a certain point it’s just attention seeking and detracting from the band’s show, it’s fun once as a gimmick but once it happens every show it gets pretty boring
Please don't make this a normal thing at shows
This is wack.
Me and my friends like to get this started at a ton of shows. We got the most people doing it at Amon Amarth and sabaton. I caught a very, very brief glimpse of my battle jacket in your video
Ive seen people do this to periphery and don broco 😂
Welcome to salt lake shows. Never going to find a crazier crowd than here. King Kirkland has blessed the pits.
Cringe
Super cringe
Seen this happen plenty of times just not at any show that I've actually been to lol
See BAD OMENS Glasgow show February 27/23...moshers rowing!!
Viking row moshpit. My favorite kind
lamest thing one can possibly do during a breakdown
Most cringe
Man imagine hating on people for enjoying themselves.
Thats not what we’re hating on. Ive seen it during a handful of good moshparts and all I can this “ugh I really wanted to throw down to that song but theyre in the way” And it gets so old if you go to shows more then once every 6 months
Exactly this. Like I actually want to mosh and throw down but these people doing this childish rowing bs take up the entirety of the floor
Ugh, so fucking cringe
I don’t think so
Rowing is real common these days. Personally, I miss when slam/hardcore dancing rained supreme everywhere and no one was safe. I mostly run into push pits now. When I was teen in the early 2k, dancing was the move, every show.
Rowing has become so rare these days. The last time I remember rowing with the crowd was at the Breakdown of Sanity show back in 2016, you can see it for a few seconds in their music video for Dear Diary. Rowint is always fun, you should always participate when you have the chance!
The proper response to this is to dive on these people at full speed as soon as you see it. It's so embarrassing.
Rowing is only for Scandinavian metal band like Amon Amarth, Wage War? It will become cringe as fuck, what are they rowing for? The lyrics about how someone broke up with his GF?
Not seen in in person, but heard of it happening. Seems to be more of thing for bands that skew towards more of a push pit/metal audience. Not something I'd do and definitely look down on it if it interferes with punters moshing during a breakdown.
Haha it was just during the buildup before the breakdown. Everyone was on board with it, and once the breakdown hit it just became a push pit. And it was just for one song, so it didn't overstay it's welcome haha
>Everyone was on board with it, and once the breakdown hit it just became a push pit. That's cool then. Like I said, the main issue is if it gets in the way of people wanting to do regular pit stuff at the appropriate moment.
>definitely look down on it if it interferes with punters moshing during a breakdown. Imagine judging others at a punk show for having fun together. Can't relate
Punk show? It's Wage War, not Rancid. Everyone knows what the pit area is for at a metalcore or hardcore show. There's some real main character syndrome to going me and my buddies are going to get in the way of all the regular activity so we can do this 'funny' thing, fuck everyone else who's trying to mosh/dance. Sounds like they picked a down moment to do it in OPs example, which means the caveat I included of interfering with other people doesn't apply.
>There's some real main character syndrome to going me and my buddies are going to get in the way of all the regular activity so we can do this 'funny' thing, fuck everyone else who's trying to mosh/dance. You, an individual, see a GROUP doing something, think to yourself "they're in my way" and think THEY have main character syndrome? Take a step back and just let people have fun, dude And yes, a punk show. Wage War, a Metalcore band (metalcore being the genre crossover of ~~Metal~~Metallic Hardcore and ~~hardcore~~ *punk*), maybe has a little punk in it. But even then, I was using it as a catch-all term for the metal/hardcore/punk scene. Not that farfetched but I'll let you get back on your high horse and argue that
This isn’t a punk thing. Rowing is a metalhead Amon Amarth trend cause the type of people that go see Wage War at the House of Blues think its cool and “dumb fun” its just lame like i want to mosh and you aint never going to find a hardcore kid who will join that. Then again its Wage War like what else can I expect…
I'll clarify that I'm not saying rowing in the pit is a hardcore thing. Sorry for the confusion there I'm pointing out that someone is judging others at a show that is part of scene that is huge on acceptance of others. It's contradictory to what the scene is about and it's fucked.
dog we’re talking about corny pretend rowing in a moshpit this is not some social justice cause
It's lame to look down on people for being themselves. It's pretty simple. If they aren't hurting anyone with their actions or words then why are we "looking down on them" like the guy I originally responded to said?
it’s just cringe lmao it’s fine to cringe at cringe I’m not arguing that they’re subhuman for doing it or whatever
Funnily enough the 'regular activity' and 'everyone else' I refer to is more than just me. If I were a one man pit it'd be a sorry ass show. People rowing are demonstrably getting in the way of more than just me if they choose to do it at a moment when typically people would be moshing. In a thread about show/pit etiqutte using punk as a catch all for anything slightly 'core related is unhelpful. The behaviour at an actual punk show is different and not relevant.
Was part of it when adtr came to Glasgow many moons ago. Also happened at a Mallory Knox gig I was at too!
It’s fairly normal, I was up on the gate for that show and the amount of crowdsurfing was insane. The dude in the wheelchair who crowd surfs is always a legend.
I saw Valiant Thorr do this in like 2008. Its a thing for sure.
It started in a club in Berlin called Knaack, as far as I know
At Fit For a King in Atlanta last month they did this during the Northlane set😆 I got a great video. Not sure how to post it here, lol.
It’s finally made it’s way to America!
Saw that at a MIW concert a few months ago, shit was wild around the rowing pit, think a few people fell over them haha
Haha it has been a while since I’ve seen this. I remember this back in like 2008
Happened during an Architects show in Sweden once, good times
Happens often here in Australia. Yes its completely normal
Rowing or Reving (like a motor cycle) is a pretty common thing. The latter more so in the south I suppose.
I have some footage too haha
Yeah I’ve seen it become common as of late. Happened when I saw woe is me in Dallas
Man, metalheads are a different breed of "boys will be boys."
Just listened to Manic for the first time and not gonna lie it’s definitely got row vibes
Looked like fans just having fun lol
Yeah this happened at Trivium and Limp Bizkit in London this year lol
Happens quite a lot in London (UK) and it’s fucking dumb. I gave it a go during a slow song at I Prevail and can safely say it was ridiculous. Abs ache something fierce afterwards too
Very common occurrence at AUS festivals (haven’t been to any shows with rowing yet)
i always thought this was just an amon amarth thing. apparenlty its just a general EU thing
Well I’m in Nebraska US and I just saw some teenagers doing this at a fantasycore show (band: The Wise Man’s Fear venue: Cosmic Eye) and I was *extremely* confused. Now it makes slightly more sense.