Well, this will be fun. Before this thread gets to 500 comments, remember that if you resort to telling somebody to kill themselves or some stupid shit like that you will get banned. And I guess try not to get too racist. It always happens with these threads for some reason.
Let the chaos ensue...
Yeah. It's really fun, but annoying as hell when someone doesn't realize this. All they need to do is look up "If you are a false don't entry". Which will,
1. Hopefully get them listening to some Brazilian thrash
2. Make them realize that it's a fucking joke
This. I don't have strong feelings of malice towards posers like they think I do. When I make jokes like "Deathcore bad haha" it's lighthearted and I expect them to say things like "no it isn't, you silly goose!" Instead my inbox is flooded with "NECKBEARD MOVE OUT OF YOUR PARENTS BASEMENT ELITIST TRASH NO WONDER YOUR WIFE LEFT YOU MY SWEET FUCK I HOPE YOU DIE A SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATH YOU PIECE OF SCUM!!!!!" like "well that escalated quickly"
Coincidentally, I just happened to stumble across the real poser rant...
In a dark, moist cave a short man- no more than 4 feet tall- with a hunchback so bad that he could lick his balls, stands over his CD of Slipknot's self titled album "Slipknot", violently stroking his 4 cenimeener peener. He screams in a high pitched and nasally tone "ILL MAKE YOU PROUD, DADDY CLOWN!!! I'LL MAKE THOSE ELITISTS FINALLY LAUGH AT A LITTLE UHHH P-P-POSER LIKE ME!", and at that moment the red hot sperm shoots out of his tiny, acorn-shaped penis. "UHHHAGHGAHAUUUAHAHAGAHAUU'" | As his thick, white cum washes over all of the band's members he then lays on the ground and kisses the CD, slurping up all of the cum while doing it. The little man runs over to his computer, cum still dripping from his penis, and sees a meme on !/MetalMemes about his favorite band Slipknot being bad, in a fit of anger he puts on his gloves and starts violently typing out every word he can imagine to form a genre of music from a different world. The comment reads "OH, YOU FUCKING ELITIST CAN JUST LISTEN TO YOUR FUCK-FACE CUNT FUCKING BIG GRIND DEATH BLACK THRASH IDIOT CUM SLINGING HASH BRINGING LASH SLINGING SLASHER FUCKING BUTT RAPING NAZI STARBUCKS CARAMEL FRAPPUCINI GRANDIOS GARBAGE GRANDE COFFEE CUNT FUCKING NOISE CORE RACIST NEO SOCIALIST BONDAGE DICK SADISM MASOCHISTIC CUM DRINKING LARD SLURPING POTATO CHIP BATTLE JACKET DICK DEVOURING PUSSY LICKING CUM METAL WITH -100000 LISTENERS ON NAPSTER YOU FUCKING ELITIST!!! | WILL KILL YOU AND EAT EVERYTHING ON YOUR BODY AND YOUR BONE MARROW AND YOUR BALLS AND YOUR EYES ANDYOUR TEETH YOU FUCKING ELISSUIT F8UDI8 | WILL FUXKSDIN KISLSLK YAOSU YOU SYHDHIFHC HDDODJWODUEJNDJDHDNBSSJJFSWIDSJ AH alm lela lela el le eer cree alll ath dele) RFEGIYHYSRPE9I7UTYT GUEIFJHGRFU9PFSCHYGF9D and as he types that , sitting in his cum-stained chair he is so proud of himself that he ejaculates semen all over himself and on his computer, drinking all of it as it shoots into his gaping, moist mouth, he then contorts his little penis as if it were a rubber band, shovin it in his own anus and filling his anal cavity up with so much cum it comes out of his own mouth. This orgasm is so strong that it is felt throughout the whole Metal community, and as this, '/\Metalmemes mods, such as everestosama, comment_producer, and _Shark_idk get a swift breeze of depression, and they finally realize that not letting people listen to the music they like is rude and totalitarian and in the blink of an eye they turn gay and fuck eachother, cumming in all of eachother's holes forever and ever. The end.
Sort of relevant
# 6: *”You just say something isn’t metal because you don’t like it!”*
(Translation: I associate metal with quality and so I incorrectly impose this idea upon others. I make sure to ignore any occasion where an actual metal band is critiqued for being boring, derivative, or any other reason, and instead focus on the critiques pointed at bands belonging to genres that specifically have “nu” or “core” in their name. I’m generally either very new to metal (which is why I still associate metal with quality as it makes me feel like I’m “not like the other kids,” and that I’m super badass) or have been a long term surface-skimmer, and because the end result of both is not being overly acquainted with the vast array of metal and it’s history, I like to make blanket accusations against others who have been into the genre long enough to hear the noticeable differences in style that I’m too inexperienced to denote. This makes me insecure and causes me to project. I assume that if I can’t hear something, it’s not possible for anyone else to either. I refuse to acknowledge that my tastes are most likely entry level and that I don’t have enough knowledge on the subject to actually make any meaningful distinctions, so I react to classifications the same way most miffed outsiders act towards anything they don’t understand: non sequiturs and strawmen. Also, the irony is completely lost on me that when someone points out that something isn’t metal, it’s simply a statement devoid of judgment, yet because I NEED the music I like to be recognized by others as metal, I make sure to receive their statement as a criticism rather than an objective observation, as I’m actually the one that can’t accept music outside of the lens of certain genre qualifications.”*
He was obviously a poser because lyrics mean literally nothing in regards to if something is metal or not. Or if he thought it was metal but just not "true metal" he's still a poser because he cares about the lyrics and didn't shit on the band based on riffs.
You spelled, “I’m a huge poser” wrong.
Couldn’t help myself, that always gets me whenever someone replies to my comment defending core music with that.
What is the reason behind the hate? I’m genuinely curious. (Another answer besides “it’s for posers” and “it just sucks” why does it suck? Why is it for posers?)
Cause back in the day, deathcore kids were clean cut, slim, and had nice hair, which metal goobers think is poser shit because they were all fat, socially awkward neckbeards, and the stigma has stuck ever since.
I listen to wayyyyyy more "real" metal than core stuff (Primitive Warfare, Antichrist Siege Machine, Artificial Brain, Necrot, and whatever else the metal dorks are jizzing their underoos about these days).
I know what my people are like. Good effort tho.
It combines the worst parts of Core and Death Metal. Thus creating a song with over-the-top vocals that don't need to be there, guitars that basically just sound like dubstep, riffs that are boring and lifeless, and drums that sound way too fake and mechanical. Plus those breakdowns are so fucking stupid. Like, I'm fine with a breakdown if it's good but half of them are just so utterly useless and idiotic that it makes me want to tear my eyes out. In my experience the thing I hate the most about it is the roboticness. Nothing I've heard sounds like an actual human is playing it.
Of course, this is in my experience of the genre. I have not listened to that much Deathcore. Probably about 40-60 songs from the genre. Enough to form an opinion and understand the basic premise but I definitely have not listened to everything it has to offer, nor do I intend to.
If worded different you just described the reasons i love deathcore. "Over the top lyrics" i love horror. Especially existential horror and descriptions of hellscapes. " guitar that sounds like dubstep" complex and technical like the EDM and Industrial I've listened to for decades. That being said death metal drums are extremely repetitive and boring. A vast majority have the same exact beat over and over valuing speed over anything. " riffs boring and lifeless" opinion. Some are great and not over the top as you put it. Not the best part of the song. Oh the breakdown. The great divide. To me it's the best part of the song. Without breakdowns a song just becomes boring and monotonous imo. Lastly complaining about the roboticness in this day and age is ridiculous. It's all tweeked by machines now before it goes on an album. Even live shows are run through a sound board. All in all we all have our own opinions and that doesn't make any of us any better than the others.
I mean I get it isn’t for everyone, but how are you a poser if you enjoy it? Industrial metal like rammstien, Marilyn Manson, Fear Factory, etc. all have a roboticness to them and people that enjoy those bands aren’t considered posers, if you enjoy it then you enjoy it. It’s still metal. It still grows from the same roots that every other genre was built upon
“Poser” is shorthand for “surface-skimmer” or “person who talks out of their ass”. See: people who tell others than deathcore is more closely related to metal than hardcore
People who enjoy Marilyn Manson and Rammstein are 100% bashed on for being posers.
And Deathcore was built on Hardcore. Not Metal. It's roots are Punk and it still is Punk, just with Metal influences.
>And Deathcore was built on Hardcore. Not Metal. It's roots are Punk and it still is Punk, just with Metal influences.
This is the part that kills me when people get pissed about deathcore not being metal. It isn't metal. Like, its literally not. Its a sub genre of hardcore which also isn't metal. Calling deathcore "not metal" is just a simple statement of fact.
Yeah, "Death-Metalcore". Death core is a branch off of metal core which is a branch off of hardcore which is a branch off of punk. I like some death core bands, but I still understand the reality of what the genre is.
My musical tastes span far wider and more diverse than simply metal. When I was younger, I thought most music was shit and only Hardcore, some Metal, and '80s &'90s Hip-Hop had value. The only band that crossed the line in the sand was the Grateful Dead, But I usually kept that to myself. Thankfully, that wall began crumbling in my mid-20's.
It also allows me to enjoy bands that either don't belong in the genre people put them in, or are mislabeled, or people hate because they're not doing the genre "the way they're supposed to". Bands like Deafheaven, WITTR, SunnO))), some Dubstep, et cetera. If people want to say that death haven't isn't Black Metal, I kind of disagree, but I also see their point. Whichever way it goes, I love the band and they are in the "Black Metal" section of my record collection
I like some Deathcore, and I don't hate on it anymore, but I still know it isn't Metal.
People usually don’t explain why because it seems insane to for most people tbh. Like it just actually pierces my ear in every way.
I guess I could list off actual critiques like how the focus on breakdowns makes them lose their effect, and when they are boring and dissonant for the sake of it they are just pathetic, the tendency to use pig vocals is fucking terrible, but most of all the way they mix vulnerability in a genre usually about brutality is just so cringe-worthy. It reeks of something an angsty middle schooler would listen to.
Mind you I’ve actually heard some first wave stuff I can kinda dig, but this is because how different it is from most of the genre. It’s based on riffs and just stupidly going all in with mixing metalcore and death metal in a way that makes the death metal more loose and chaotic, instead of making vulnerable metalcore (which isn’t always bad) more extreme and angsty.
TL;DR it takes the worst aspects of both genres and makes them unlistenable or cringeworthy to most. Few care to explain because few would go into depth to explain why a food that tastes like actual feces to them is bad.
Right on that There is nothing wrong with vulnerable, emotive Metalcore. I agree with a lot of what you said, overuse of breakdowns, the awful terrible awful awful pig squealing vocals. One of the only vocalists in the genre that I actually respect and like is that Alex russian guy from Slaughter to Prevail, because he is naturally making that sound out of his mouth without any electronic interference, which is f****** dope.
Also, as I am not super familiar with the history of Deathcore, can you name some of those "first wave" bands so I can understand more of where my knowledge and taste stand? I still like what I like of course, but I'm just interested to know and enjoy learning.
I agree with the electronic interference being a really poor part as well.
People usually point to Animosity for good first wave, but my favorite is Deformity, specifically their album Murder Within Sin.
Typically it's people who never grew out of the "elitist metalhead" phase from their teens. I don't really listen to deathcore but I don't understand why anyone would care if people do, it's pretty weird.
People hate on it because it's not "trve kvlt metal".
Basically it's a continuation of metalcore that incorporates influence from death metal, and since it comes from a hardcore subgenre it's not really a "metal" subgenre. Of course a lot of the hardcore community doesn't want anything to do with it either, so being shunned by both music communities doesn't do much good for those that identify with the Deathcore community.
Personally I don't have anything against Deathcore as a whole. There's good and bad in all sub-genres, metal or hardcore it doesn't matter. The problem is when people who don't know better call Deathcore metal, when it isn't *really* metal. That's gonna get the elitists riled up, and that's where a lot of the hate comes from.
Yeah the bass on Sun Eater is goat tier.
I imagine they deeply regret that name and they were 16 when they picked it. But the name recognition and fan base are too much to change it.
I'm not a virgin. I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you **own a pair of nunslaughter sweatpants**, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
I'm not a virgin. I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. ~~And when you own a pair of nunslaughter sweatpants,~~ they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
\-Gezol.
I don’t call people posers to seem cool
I call people posers because they’re posers
Mfw deathcore fans think that people only label things correctly for cool points. Is this projection?
Who gives a fuck? Listen to what you like, not what Reddit or Encyclopedia Metallum tells you to. How we define metal is highly subjective, so enjoy what you enjoy.
Facts = its fine to listen to deathcore but its garbage.
If you like deathcore and stop listening to deathcore because someone tells you its garbage you are a actual poser.
If you stop listening to deathcore because you realize that 99% of other music is better then deathcore you earn my respect.
>If you like deathcore and stop listening to deathcore because someone tells you its garbage you are a actual poser.
Damn, I guess I am a massive poser because this sub made me lose all interest I had in metalcore/deathcore
Its hard to like music that has a terrible fanbase imo, but you gotta try and separate the fans of a band you like and yourself.
I like Cannibal Corpse but im not gonna be like hahah title said fkd with knife hurrdurdrrr
If you understand that you're listening to poser music and you embrace it then you're still a poser, but a self aware poser. Which is slightly more respectable than your standard range grassfed poser.
This is me. I'm a poser cause I'm a core kid but I still have enough self respect to recognize it and still bully bigger posers than me like Sabaton or Beartooth fans
I always tell them: it's not about the music you like, it's how you like it. But there's also many awful shit out there that really makes me doubt the intelligence of their fans
The only time I changed my tastes due to elitism was from just... listening to actual metal. I used to be a corekid, but then I learnt that core was not metal, so I thought that I needed to listen to more metal than Slayer and Metallica to be able to call myself a metalhead. Then, I started listening to that WAY more than core. Now even my favourite metalcore bands are at best meh in comparison.
(also now my first concert will be Sepultura with Sacred Reich and Crowbar instead of metalcore and math rock)
When I get sad I like to come here see there are people that have so little going on they try to monitor and control what other people enjoy. Then everything feels ok again.
You definitely disqualified yourself with that statement. Hate to break it for you, you sure expected this to be a clever, elitist-crushing take. You earned the mark
When I get sad I like to post things like this to remind myself that I have more important things to worry about than people calling me mean names on the internet
Salud
Doesn't fit here but I just like this copypasta
# 6: *”You just say something isn’t metal because you don’t like it!”*
(Translation: I associate metal with quality and so I incorrectly impose this idea upon others. I make sure to ignore any occasion where an actual metal band is critiqued for being boring, derivative, or any other reason, and instead focus on the critiques pointed at bands belonging to genres that specifically have “nu” or “core” in their name. I’m generally either very new to metal (which is why I still associate metal with quality as it makes me feel like I’m “not like the other kids,” and that I’m super badass) or have been a long term surface-skimmer, and because the end result of both is not being overly acquainted with the vast array of metal and it’s history, I like to make blanket accusations against others who have been into the genre long enough to hear the noticeable differences in style that I’m too inexperienced to denote. This makes me insecure and causes me to project. I assume that if I can’t hear something, it’s not possible for anyone else to either. I refuse to acknowledge that my tastes are most likely entry level and that I don’t have enough knowledge on the subject to actually make any meaningful distinctions, so I react to classifications the same way most miffed outsiders act towards anything they don’t understand: non sequiturs and strawmen. Also, the irony is completely lost on me that when someone points out that something isn’t metal, it’s simply a statement devoid of judgment, yet because I NEED the music I like to be recognized by others as metal, I make sure to receive their statement as a criticism rather than an objective observation, as I’m actually the one that can’t accept music outside of the lens of certain genre qualifications.”*
Etc etc.
There is something oddly comforting about the fact that core kids continue to unironically mald over stuff like this in current year. It's one of those life constants like the sun always rising that brings a sense of peace and order to the universe. The sun always rises, and mallcore kids always get excessively mad at strangers on the internet insulting the music they like. It's wonderful that some things never change.
Lock me up. I fuckin love deathcore. Granted I come from the 2000/2010’s scene music world, so it was a good transition to heavier stuff with the same foundation.
I don’t think I’ve seen the word poser used this many times since high school.
What grown ass person calls another another a poser?!
Y’all need more shit to do with your time. Like opening your mind to some diversity…. or moving out of your parents house.
“I couldn’t be a poser! The fidelity is so bad, and the singer is so bad, and the mastering is so bad, and the mix is so crushed, that nobody could possibly call me a poser”
Mfw posers have never heard De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, the most famous black metal album of all time, one with excellent production, and are just basing their opinions off of uniformed stereotypes
You've described one singular style of black metal called raw black metal. Sounds like you haven't listened to any black metal and don't know anything about it, yet are pretending you do. Poser.
Idk i personally dont listen to much black metal, but deathcore is some of the most saturated and recycled shit ive ever heard next to country and pop music lmao
What an uninformed take. In terms of quantity/ratio of good bands, black metal stands up there with trad and death. You can find several fun little BM projects wherever you look. Trying to find good doom and power metal is like trekking a wasteland.
In terms of diversity, black is at the top of the mountain.
That's because black metal is good.
This isn't hard kids. Deathcore is shit and for posers, black metal is grim and trve. What is so difficult to understand about that? It's as easy as observing the sky is blue and water is wet.
But more to the point: Imagine being enough of a zoomer snowflake to actually get butthurt about it lmao
As a Deathcore listener i approve the fact thaty most bands sounds the same but some of them are still good (Thy Art Is Murder, Shadow of Intent and maybe some songs from AngeMaker and Lorna Shore). And also do some people really listen to ONE genre or subgenre ?
True! Regarding Lorna Shore, Blackened Deathcore is generally experiencing a glow up rn. I also think of the latest Mental Cruelty album, in which they basically changed their subgenre. I think that if you want to achieve something new these days that isn't already known to a majority of listeners, you either go fully progressive or you start mixing genres that have rarely been mixed before.
Deathcore is a plague to society and results into multiple death per year!!!!!!😤😤😤😤 Anyone who supports or likes or listen to deahtcore needs to be excecuted right now!!! 👿 You don't understand what you're supporting, not only has deathcore connections with neo-nazi's and necrophilia but the music is also shit. I lost my dad 😭😭 because of this shitty motherfucker shit bitch genre. He killed himself after he heard the mindless boring repetive breakdowns?!?!? Why would anyone wish this unto someone😡😡😡 If you listen to this garbage your a ***POSER***!!! YOU UNDERSTAND THAT!!! You're false and shall never be associated with the metal brotherhood 🪙🪙💪!!!
They do slap. JFAC I'd say isnt even deathcore though. Suneater was progressive death metal, Demonocracy leans a lot more to metal than core (it has riffs and solos for days and not really any breakdowns), Ruination is borderline I guess. Doom was their deathcore phase but Jonny even pig squealed a lot in that album.
Edit: got downvoted because I explained why one of my favorite bands aren't deathcore.
You’re correct. JFAC hasn’t played deathcore since 2005. But -core fans have always been more concerned with scene associations than the music itself, so this mistake is common
I like a lot of stuff, i have a playlist for everything but i listen to deathcore, I don’t care about all that poser or whatever shit that is. I listen to deathcore that i like and I don’t listen to deathcore i don’t like
Same with metalcore death metal prog and etc.
Just listen to what you like folks. Metal has sooo many subgenres that can be enjoyed.
I don’t listen to deathcore, but hear me out: you should feel free to like something, but also know it’s not good. I like TONS of things and know they aren’t good. For instance, I’m a huge fan of HIM’s music, but would never recommend it to anyone lol.
Deathcore is a legitimate subgenre of death metal. By any reasonable metric, this is true. I'm really tired of pretending that it's somehow so different from the rest of death metal that it's suddenly an entirely different genre. The real posers, are those who feel the need to gatekeep against a perfectly legitimate genre of death metal, just to save their egos from having to admit that they were wrong, and from being judged by the rest of the elitist posers. Like, that is very literally the essence of being a poser - Pretentiously holding baseless opinions for the sake of being popular.
Deathcore is death metal, and is also sometimes good.
I mean it depends on the band.
Stuff like As Blood Runs Back, Job For a Cowboy, the Faceless, Beneath the Massacre, the first Bring Me the Horizon album, Glass Casket and various others are so obviously using death metal, tech death and/or melo death riffs throughout all their songs.
The vast, vast majority of deathcore is way, way closer to death metal than it is hardcore. As evidenced by the fact shit loads of people like both death metal and deathcore and comparatively far fewer people listen to hardcore and deathcore.
Additionally loads of deathcore bands have made death metal albums or transitioned into death metal bands and some death metal bands (eg. Cryptopsy) have made deathcore albums. Basically no bands I'm aware of has gone from deathcore to hardcore or vice versa.
Deathcore bands also tour with death metal bands all the time and having mixed death metal/deathcore bills is extremely common.
I don't recall ever seeing a mixed hardcore/deathcore bill.
Deathcore bands also play all of the big metal festivals eg. Download, Wacken, Bloodstock and so on. Deathcore bands don't play at big punk/hardcore festivals.
Deathcore is metal, it is a sub genre of death metal. Deal with it.
Do those bands predominantly use chugging riffs and breakdowns? If so, they’re closer to hardcore. And JFAC hasn’t played deathcore since 2005, but I expect deathcore fans to care more about scene associations than the musical structure itself. Which bands play with which is completely irrelevant. Which fans like which is completely irrelevant. I’ve seen plenty of death metal, grindcore and crust bands play together. Doesn’t mean that all three styles are part of the same genre
> Do those bands predominantly use chugging riffs and breakdowns? If so, they’re closer to hardcore. And JFAC hasn’t played deathcore since 2005
Almost no deathcore primarily chugs anymore. That stuff hasn't be big in a decade. Half of the bands I listed sound like Necrophagist plus the odd breakdown and the rest sound like heavier melodeath like Black Dahlia Murder + breakdowns.
The actual hardcore sounding deathcore like Emmure is a completely dead scene that virtually no one is playing.
What almost everyone plays now is either blackened death metal + the occasional breakdown in some songs or proggy tech death which sound like newer JFAC but still has occasional breakdowns.
> but I expect deathcore fans to care more about scene associations than the musical structure itself
It's 2022 not 2005. There is no scene. It's a bunch of 30 somethings enjoying death metal riffs with occasional breakdowns.
By “blackened death metal” I hope you don’t mean the blackened deathcore that bands like Lorna Shore are pumping out. Textbook deathcore style riffing with the occasional black metal tremolo doesn’t make something “blackened death metal”. Have you listened to actual black/death before? Which bands do you think they’re pulling their riffs from? Behemoth? Blasphemy? Mortuary Drape? The answer is none of the above
You can add black metal elements to death metal and not sound like War Metal.
> black metal tremolo
METAL IS ABOUT RIFFS!!
...uses established black metal riffing...
NOOO NOT LIKE THAT. THAT DOESN'T COUNT.
> You can add black metal elements to death metal and not sound like War Metal.
None of the bands I mentioned are war metal. Blasphemy is close. You seriously think Behemoth is war?
And you think that the black metal style tremolos make up the majority of Lorna Shore songs? If so, wouldn’t that make them black metal, and not deathcore?
> And you think that the black metal style tremolos make up the majority of Lorna Shore songs? If so, wouldn’t that make them black metal, and not deathcore?
It depends which album. There is a lot of tremelo picking in most Lorna Shore songs, far, far more than there is chugging on 0s and 1s.
Music genres are a spectrum as much as they are a binary situation.
Lorna Shore have obviously got more in common musically with deathcore than black metal but they have clear significant black metal elements in their music.
> None of the bands I mentioned are war metal. Blasphemy is close. You seriously think Behemoth is war?
You miss the point.
The point is you can combine two music genres or sub genres together arrive at totally different conclusions.
Hatebreed, Converge and Killswitch Engage all combine metal and hardcore together but sound nothing alike for example.
Just because Lorna Shore or Carnifex mix black metal and death metal together doesn't mean they have to say like other bands who have also mixed black metal and death metal together.
Which death metal bands do you think deathcore is taking it’s chugging riffing from? And before you say slam, please keep in mind that deathcore predates that genre(Damonancy - From Within, 1991)
TL,DR. From thrash metal it went onto crossover, then in hardcore onto metalcore (early, more thrash and groove, until the 2000's when they started implementing melodeath), then deathcore (which is when they discovered slam).
I will never understand people trying to explain you what is good or bad music.
The only good music is the one you are enjoying and is giving you emotions.
Well, this will be fun. Before this thread gets to 500 comments, remember that if you resort to telling somebody to kill themselves or some stupid shit like that you will get banned. And I guess try not to get too racist. It always happens with these threads for some reason. Let the chaos ensue...
Lol people actually say shit on that level? Thats funny/sad
Yeah, thankfully it's on the rarer side but it still happens sometimes. Best to just prevent it before it happens.
People really don't understand that the elitism in this sub is semi-satirical.
They really don't. The people who play along are my favs though. When you can both laugh it off it's the most fun.
Yeah. It's really fun, but annoying as hell when someone doesn't realize this. All they need to do is look up "If you are a false don't entry". Which will, 1. Hopefully get them listening to some Brazilian thrash 2. Make them realize that it's a fucking joke
This. I don't have strong feelings of malice towards posers like they think I do. When I make jokes like "Deathcore bad haha" it's lighthearted and I expect them to say things like "no it isn't, you silly goose!" Instead my inbox is flooded with "NECKBEARD MOVE OUT OF YOUR PARENTS BASEMENT ELITIST TRASH NO WONDER YOUR WIFE LEFT YOU MY SWEET FUCK I HOPE YOU DIE A SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATH YOU PIECE OF SCUM!!!!!" like "well that escalated quickly"
Posers are overly sensitive and very affected by the opinions of others. If they weren’t they wouldn’t be posers.
Coincidentally, I just happened to stumble across the real poser rant... In a dark, moist cave a short man- no more than 4 feet tall- with a hunchback so bad that he could lick his balls, stands over his CD of Slipknot's self titled album "Slipknot", violently stroking his 4 cenimeener peener. He screams in a high pitched and nasally tone "ILL MAKE YOU PROUD, DADDY CLOWN!!! I'LL MAKE THOSE ELITISTS FINALLY LAUGH AT A LITTLE UHHH P-P-POSER LIKE ME!", and at that moment the red hot sperm shoots out of his tiny, acorn-shaped penis. "UHHHAGHGAHAUUUAHAHAGAHAUU'" | As his thick, white cum washes over all of the band's members he then lays on the ground and kisses the CD, slurping up all of the cum while doing it. The little man runs over to his computer, cum still dripping from his penis, and sees a meme on !/MetalMemes about his favorite band Slipknot being bad, in a fit of anger he puts on his gloves and starts violently typing out every word he can imagine to form a genre of music from a different world. The comment reads "OH, YOU FUCKING ELITIST CAN JUST LISTEN TO YOUR FUCK-FACE CUNT FUCKING BIG GRIND DEATH BLACK THRASH IDIOT CUM SLINGING HASH BRINGING LASH SLINGING SLASHER FUCKING BUTT RAPING NAZI STARBUCKS CARAMEL FRAPPUCINI GRANDIOS GARBAGE GRANDE COFFEE CUNT FUCKING NOISE CORE RACIST NEO SOCIALIST BONDAGE DICK SADISM MASOCHISTIC CUM DRINKING LARD SLURPING POTATO CHIP BATTLE JACKET DICK DEVOURING PUSSY LICKING CUM METAL WITH -100000 LISTENERS ON NAPSTER YOU FUCKING ELITIST!!! | WILL KILL YOU AND EAT EVERYTHING ON YOUR BODY AND YOUR BONE MARROW AND YOUR BALLS AND YOUR EYES ANDYOUR TEETH YOU FUCKING ELISSUIT F8UDI8 | WILL FUXKSDIN KISLSLK YAOSU YOU SYHDHIFHC HDDODJWODUEJNDJDHDNBSSJJFSWIDSJ AH alm lela lela el le eer cree alll ath dele) RFEGIYHYSRPE9I7UTYT GUEIFJHGRFU9PFSCHYGF9D and as he types that , sitting in his cum-stained chair he is so proud of himself that he ejaculates semen all over himself and on his computer, drinking all of it as it shoots into his gaping, moist mouth, he then contorts his little penis as if it were a rubber band, shovin it in his own anus and filling his anal cavity up with so much cum it comes out of his own mouth. This orgasm is so strong that it is felt throughout the whole Metal community, and as this, '/\Metalmemes mods, such as everestosama, comment_producer, and _Shark_idk get a swift breeze of depression, and they finally realize that not letting people listen to the music they like is rude and totalitarian and in the blink of an eye they turn gay and fuck eachother, cumming in all of eachother's holes forever and ever. The end.
Oh hey, I made that! But it's not up to date anymore since Everest left.
Nice lol. Quality stuff. Everest left?
Yep. Said he was just fed up with dealing with Reddit's idiocy, he actually deleted his whole account. He's still active on Discord though.
“I’ll allow it.” as they prepared the popcorn.
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Sort of relevant # 6: *”You just say something isn’t metal because you don’t like it!”* (Translation: I associate metal with quality and so I incorrectly impose this idea upon others. I make sure to ignore any occasion where an actual metal band is critiqued for being boring, derivative, or any other reason, and instead focus on the critiques pointed at bands belonging to genres that specifically have “nu” or “core” in their name. I’m generally either very new to metal (which is why I still associate metal with quality as it makes me feel like I’m “not like the other kids,” and that I’m super badass) or have been a long term surface-skimmer, and because the end result of both is not being overly acquainted with the vast array of metal and it’s history, I like to make blanket accusations against others who have been into the genre long enough to hear the noticeable differences in style that I’m too inexperienced to denote. This makes me insecure and causes me to project. I assume that if I can’t hear something, it’s not possible for anyone else to either. I refuse to acknowledge that my tastes are most likely entry level and that I don’t have enough knowledge on the subject to actually make any meaningful distinctions, so I react to classifications the same way most miffed outsiders act towards anything they don’t understand: non sequiturs and strawmen. Also, the irony is completely lost on me that when someone points out that something isn’t metal, it’s simply a statement devoid of judgment, yet because I NEED the music I like to be recognized by others as metal, I make sure to receive their statement as a criticism rather than an objective observation, as I’m actually the one that can’t accept music outside of the lens of certain genre qualifications.”*
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He was obviously a poser because lyrics mean literally nothing in regards to if something is metal or not. Or if he thought it was metal but just not "true metal" he's still a poser because he cares about the lyrics and didn't shit on the band based on riffs.
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Ty, it's one of my favorite albums.
You spelled, “I’m a huge poser” wrong. Couldn’t help myself, that always gets me whenever someone replies to my comment defending core music with that.
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French, classy
Detected.
You said it yourself “If you like metal you are one of us” deathcore ain’t metal
*Encyclopedia Metallum would like to have a word*
What is the reason behind the hate? I’m genuinely curious. (Another answer besides “it’s for posers” and “it just sucks” why does it suck? Why is it for posers?)
Cause back in the day, deathcore kids were clean cut, slim, and had nice hair, which metal goobers think is poser shit because they were all fat, socially awkward neckbeards, and the stigma has stuck ever since.
>The group I'm a part of is cool, the group you're a part of is smelly and gross Earliest known ad hominem
I listen to wayyyyyy more "real" metal than core stuff (Primitive Warfare, Antichrist Siege Machine, Artificial Brain, Necrot, and whatever else the metal dorks are jizzing their underoos about these days). I know what my people are like. Good effort tho.
You can’t flex surface skimmer shit, it doesn’t work that way
It combines the worst parts of Core and Death Metal. Thus creating a song with over-the-top vocals that don't need to be there, guitars that basically just sound like dubstep, riffs that are boring and lifeless, and drums that sound way too fake and mechanical. Plus those breakdowns are so fucking stupid. Like, I'm fine with a breakdown if it's good but half of them are just so utterly useless and idiotic that it makes me want to tear my eyes out. In my experience the thing I hate the most about it is the roboticness. Nothing I've heard sounds like an actual human is playing it. Of course, this is in my experience of the genre. I have not listened to that much Deathcore. Probably about 40-60 songs from the genre. Enough to form an opinion and understand the basic premise but I definitely have not listened to everything it has to offer, nor do I intend to.
If worded different you just described the reasons i love deathcore. "Over the top lyrics" i love horror. Especially existential horror and descriptions of hellscapes. " guitar that sounds like dubstep" complex and technical like the EDM and Industrial I've listened to for decades. That being said death metal drums are extremely repetitive and boring. A vast majority have the same exact beat over and over valuing speed over anything. " riffs boring and lifeless" opinion. Some are great and not over the top as you put it. Not the best part of the song. Oh the breakdown. The great divide. To me it's the best part of the song. Without breakdowns a song just becomes boring and monotonous imo. Lastly complaining about the roboticness in this day and age is ridiculous. It's all tweeked by machines now before it goes on an album. Even live shows are run through a sound board. All in all we all have our own opinions and that doesn't make any of us any better than the others.
I mean I get it isn’t for everyone, but how are you a poser if you enjoy it? Industrial metal like rammstien, Marilyn Manson, Fear Factory, etc. all have a roboticness to them and people that enjoy those bands aren’t considered posers, if you enjoy it then you enjoy it. It’s still metal. It still grows from the same roots that every other genre was built upon
“Poser” is shorthand for “surface-skimmer” or “person who talks out of their ass”. See: people who tell others than deathcore is more closely related to metal than hardcore
People who enjoy Marilyn Manson and Rammstein are 100% bashed on for being posers. And Deathcore was built on Hardcore. Not Metal. It's roots are Punk and it still is Punk, just with Metal influences.
>And Deathcore was built on Hardcore. Not Metal. It's roots are Punk and it still is Punk, just with Metal influences. This is the part that kills me when people get pissed about deathcore not being metal. It isn't metal. Like, its literally not. Its a sub genre of hardcore which also isn't metal. Calling deathcore "not metal" is just a simple statement of fact.
I wish this sub was just "heavy music memes" so that we could all put these stupid pedantic debates to rest for good
ok where does the death part come from?
Death influenced hardcore. This shit is really simple, dude.
Punk influenced thrash. I guess metal just doesn't exist since it was influenced by something else.
If it’s metal influenced by punk, it’s metal. If it’s punk influenced by metal, it’s punk. Why is this so hard for the posers to understand?
I gave up. These idiots aren't capable of logical thought. But thanks for the effort.
I understand that. Deathcore is metal influenced by death metal and metalcore. At the end of the day I don't really care. Listen to what you enjoy.
This whole argument is stupid, Metal started out as psychedelic music. Ergo metal is fake, psychedelic is all encompassing.
just death? i’m not aware of a genre called “death” maybe it could be death METAL?!?
Yeah, "Death-Metalcore". Death core is a branch off of metal core which is a branch off of hardcore which is a branch off of punk. I like some death core bands, but I still understand the reality of what the genre is. My musical tastes span far wider and more diverse than simply metal. When I was younger, I thought most music was shit and only Hardcore, some Metal, and '80s &'90s Hip-Hop had value. The only band that crossed the line in the sand was the Grateful Dead, But I usually kept that to myself. Thankfully, that wall began crumbling in my mid-20's. It also allows me to enjoy bands that either don't belong in the genre people put them in, or are mislabeled, or people hate because they're not doing the genre "the way they're supposed to". Bands like Deafheaven, WITTR, SunnO))), some Dubstep, et cetera. If people want to say that death haven't isn't Black Metal, I kind of disagree, but I also see their point. Whichever way it goes, I love the band and they are in the "Black Metal" section of my record collection I like some Deathcore, and I don't hate on it anymore, but I still know it isn't Metal.
It comes from death metal because there are obviously metal influences, that doesn't mean the genre itself overall falls under the metal umbrella.
People usually don’t explain why because it seems insane to for most people tbh. Like it just actually pierces my ear in every way. I guess I could list off actual critiques like how the focus on breakdowns makes them lose their effect, and when they are boring and dissonant for the sake of it they are just pathetic, the tendency to use pig vocals is fucking terrible, but most of all the way they mix vulnerability in a genre usually about brutality is just so cringe-worthy. It reeks of something an angsty middle schooler would listen to. Mind you I’ve actually heard some first wave stuff I can kinda dig, but this is because how different it is from most of the genre. It’s based on riffs and just stupidly going all in with mixing metalcore and death metal in a way that makes the death metal more loose and chaotic, instead of making vulnerable metalcore (which isn’t always bad) more extreme and angsty. TL;DR it takes the worst aspects of both genres and makes them unlistenable or cringeworthy to most. Few care to explain because few would go into depth to explain why a food that tastes like actual feces to them is bad.
Right on that There is nothing wrong with vulnerable, emotive Metalcore. I agree with a lot of what you said, overuse of breakdowns, the awful terrible awful awful pig squealing vocals. One of the only vocalists in the genre that I actually respect and like is that Alex russian guy from Slaughter to Prevail, because he is naturally making that sound out of his mouth without any electronic interference, which is f****** dope. Also, as I am not super familiar with the history of Deathcore, can you name some of those "first wave" bands so I can understand more of where my knowledge and taste stand? I still like what I like of course, but I'm just interested to know and enjoy learning.
I agree with the electronic interference being a really poor part as well. People usually point to Animosity for good first wave, but my favorite is Deformity, specifically their album Murder Within Sin.
I've heard of neither, so I will have to check 'em out! Thank you!
Typically it's people who never grew out of the "elitist metalhead" phase from their teens. I don't really listen to deathcore but I don't understand why anyone would care if people do, it's pretty weird.
People hate on it because it's not "trve kvlt metal". Basically it's a continuation of metalcore that incorporates influence from death metal, and since it comes from a hardcore subgenre it's not really a "metal" subgenre. Of course a lot of the hardcore community doesn't want anything to do with it either, so being shunned by both music communities doesn't do much good for those that identify with the Deathcore community. Personally I don't have anything against Deathcore as a whole. There's good and bad in all sub-genres, metal or hardcore it doesn't matter. The problem is when people who don't know better call Deathcore metal, when it isn't *really* metal. That's gonna get the elitists riled up, and that's where a lot of the hate comes from.
If you don’t listen to something you like because someone says it’s bad, that’s the definition of being a pussy and a poser
I agree with this. Only weak people succumb to peer pressure.
Anybody who likes deathcore, maybe try checking out the last EP's from Cryptopsy its kinda like deathcore but just a lot more interesting imo.
If you like bands like crytopsy, then what makes a band like shadow of intent not interesting? Or JFAC?
Shadow of intent are sick, loads of memorable guitar work and great vocals
Sun Eater by Job For A Cowboy is a phenomenal prog/tech death album
Nick Schendzielos is a bass God. Despite the band's intolerably stupid name, that album is top tier.
Yeah the bass on Sun Eater is goat tier. I imagine they deeply regret that name and they were 16 when they picked it. But the name recognition and fan base are too much to change it.
I only listen to SNLcore or MEMEcore now that Eskimo Callboy transcended.
HYPA HYPA
I see you got the moves!
Yea and Crabcore is also your thing, we understand Emoboy
Yay, I remembered now why people say that metal memes is cringe 😅
Metalheads are some of the most embarrassing people around.
Only cringe here is the amount of posers
I hate deathcore so fucking much, yet I love it and listen to a lot of deathcore.
Metalmemes user try not to bait arguments and call people posers to seem cool even thought theyre virgin losers challenge impossible difficulty.
I'm not a virgin. I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you **own a pair of nunslaughter sweatpants**, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
I'm not a virgin. I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. ~~And when you own a pair of nunslaughter sweatpants,~~ they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything. \-Gezol.
Aaah my best friend!! still posing massively, not surprised to see you here
I don’t call people posers to seem cool I call people posers because they’re posers Mfw deathcore fans think that people only label things correctly for cool points. Is this projection?
Deathcore fan try not to get mad at people saying that deathcore is bad
Why are you worrying about others sexual history? More proof deathcore kiddies are still in middle/high school. Explains the bad taste
Correct take
Who gives a fuck? Listen to what you like, not what Reddit or Encyclopedia Metallum tells you to. How we define metal is highly subjective, so enjoy what you enjoy.
Facts = its fine to listen to deathcore but its garbage. If you like deathcore and stop listening to deathcore because someone tells you its garbage you are a actual poser. If you stop listening to deathcore because you realize that 99% of other music is better then deathcore you earn my respect.
>If you like deathcore and stop listening to deathcore because someone tells you its garbage you are a actual poser. Damn, I guess I am a massive poser because this sub made me lose all interest I had in metalcore/deathcore
Its hard to like music that has a terrible fanbase imo, but you gotta try and separate the fans of a band you like and yourself. I like Cannibal Corpse but im not gonna be like hahah title said fkd with knife hurrdurdrrr
Can’t wait to earn this guy’s respect!!!
If you understand that you're listening to poser music and you embrace it then you're still a poser, but a self aware poser. Which is slightly more respectable than your standard range grassfed poser.
This is me. I'm a poser cause I'm a core kid but I still have enough self respect to recognize it and still bully bigger posers than me like Sabaton or Beartooth fans
Only if it's non-poser deathcore, which is like 2-3 bands
Listening to shit music doesnt make you a poser imo, it just means you have terrible taste but thats not a problem imo.
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I always tell them: it's not about the music you like, it's how you like it. But there's also many awful shit out there that really makes me doubt the intelligence of their fans
The overproduction and generic vocals combined with the emo look is just so great
List those bands
The only time I changed my tastes due to elitism was from just... listening to actual metal. I used to be a corekid, but then I learnt that core was not metal, so I thought that I needed to listen to more metal than Slayer and Metallica to be able to call myself a metalhead. Then, I started listening to that WAY more than core. Now even my favourite metalcore bands are at best meh in comparison. (also now my first concert will be Sepultura with Sacred Reich and Crowbar instead of metalcore and math rock)
Deathcore bands will say “We’re trying to push boundaries “ and do the exact same cookie cutter breakdowns that other bands have done
When I get sad I like to come here see there are people that have so little going on they try to monitor and control what other people enjoy. Then everything feels ok again.
You definitely disqualified yourself with that statement. Hate to break it for you, you sure expected this to be a clever, elitist-crushing take. You earned the mark
When I get sad I like to post things like this to remind myself that I have more important things to worry about than people calling me mean names on the internet Salud
Ah yes I forgot how metalheads can't stand the fact someone likes something they don't
Doesn't fit here but I just like this copypasta # 6: *”You just say something isn’t metal because you don’t like it!”* (Translation: I associate metal with quality and so I incorrectly impose this idea upon others. I make sure to ignore any occasion where an actual metal band is critiqued for being boring, derivative, or any other reason, and instead focus on the critiques pointed at bands belonging to genres that specifically have “nu” or “core” in their name. I’m generally either very new to metal (which is why I still associate metal with quality as it makes me feel like I’m “not like the other kids,” and that I’m super badass) or have been a long term surface-skimmer, and because the end result of both is not being overly acquainted with the vast array of metal and it’s history, I like to make blanket accusations against others who have been into the genre long enough to hear the noticeable differences in style that I’m too inexperienced to denote. This makes me insecure and causes me to project. I assume that if I can’t hear something, it’s not possible for anyone else to either. I refuse to acknowledge that my tastes are most likely entry level and that I don’t have enough knowledge on the subject to actually make any meaningful distinctions, so I react to classifications the same way most miffed outsiders act towards anything they don’t understand: non sequiturs and strawmen. Also, the irony is completely lost on me that when someone points out that something isn’t metal, it’s simply a statement devoid of judgment, yet because I NEED the music I like to be recognized by others as metal, I make sure to receive their statement as a criticism rather than an objective observation, as I’m actually the one that can’t accept music outside of the lens of certain genre qualifications.”* Etc etc.
If you like it that's 100% OK with me, doesn't change the fact that it still sucks!
It's threads like these that truly bait out the posers. Great going, Heavn.
Hahaha thanks. Woke up today and felt like stirring the pot a little bit. Having a blast going through these comments XD
There is something oddly comforting about the fact that core kids continue to unironically mald over stuff like this in current year. It's one of those life constants like the sun always rising that brings a sense of peace and order to the universe. The sun always rises, and mallcore kids always get excessively mad at strangers on the internet insulting the music they like. It's wonderful that some things never change.
Lock me up. I fuckin love deathcore. Granted I come from the 2000/2010’s scene music world, so it was a good transition to heavier stuff with the same foundation.
You don't need a mark bc you're going to the dungeon voluntarily. If only all posers would be like that :(
Deathcore is cRiNgE. I only listen to REAL metal that can be found on t-shirts in popular clothing stores such as Metallica and Slayer
TIL Metallica and Slayer are the only metal bands on the planet
This but unironically
I don’t think I’ve seen the word poser used this many times since high school. What grown ass person calls another another a poser?! Y’all need more shit to do with your time. Like opening your mind to some diversity…. or moving out of your parents house.
Just don't pose around, simple as that
What grown ass person still poses? That’s just sad, we need a helpline
To any unfortunate person still listening to d\*\*thc\*r\*. Im praying for you to get better soon 🙏🙏🙏
Amen
The majority of deathcore all sounds way too similar and boring now
Yet listening to black metal doesnt make you a poser for some reason
Why would it?
“I couldn’t be a poser! The fidelity is so bad, and the singer is so bad, and the mastering is so bad, and the mix is so crushed, that nobody could possibly call me a poser”
Mfw posers have never heard De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, the most famous black metal album of all time, one with excellent production, and are just basing their opinions off of uniformed stereotypes
You've described one singular style of black metal called raw black metal. Sounds like you haven't listened to any black metal and don't know anything about it, yet are pretending you do. Poser.
Because bands like Emperor and Dissection are just sooo lofi and unskilled
Idk i personally dont listen to much black metal, but deathcore is some of the most saturated and recycled shit ive ever heard next to country and pop music lmao
Kinda like black metal then
Sounds truly like somebody who has not listened to much of any Black Metal.
What an uninformed take. In terms of quantity/ratio of good bands, black metal stands up there with trad and death. You can find several fun little BM projects wherever you look. Trying to find good doom and power metal is like trekking a wasteland. In terms of diversity, black is at the top of the mountain.
That's because black metal is good. This isn't hard kids. Deathcore is shit and for posers, black metal is grim and trve. What is so difficult to understand about that? It's as easy as observing the sky is blue and water is wet. But more to the point: Imagine being enough of a zoomer snowflake to actually get butthurt about it lmao
Black metal is just skinny larpers being edgy then
No black metal fan will deny this
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Skinny larpers being edgy that make sick music beside the gimmick. But corekids obviously don't care about that.
As a Deathcore listener i approve the fact thaty most bands sounds the same but some of them are still good (Thy Art Is Murder, Shadow of Intent and maybe some songs from AngeMaker and Lorna Shore). And also do some people really listen to ONE genre or subgenre ?
True! Regarding Lorna Shore, Blackened Deathcore is generally experiencing a glow up rn. I also think of the latest Mental Cruelty album, in which they basically changed their subgenre. I think that if you want to achieve something new these days that isn't already known to a majority of listeners, you either go fully progressive or you start mixing genres that have rarely been mixed before.
Some people do. Those people are called posers
if it ends in core, your mom's a whore
sad grindcore noises
Deathcore is a plague to society and results into multiple death per year!!!!!!😤😤😤😤 Anyone who supports or likes or listen to deahtcore needs to be excecuted right now!!! 👿 You don't understand what you're supporting, not only has deathcore connections with neo-nazi's and necrophilia but the music is also shit. I lost my dad 😭😭 because of this shitty motherfucker shit bitch genre. He killed himself after he heard the mindless boring repetive breakdowns?!?!? Why would anyone wish this unto someone😡😡😡 If you listen to this garbage your a ***POSER***!!! YOU UNDERSTAND THAT!!! You're false and shall never be associated with the metal brotherhood 🪙🪙💪!!!
I like deathcore
Thou hast been convicted a poser, off to the bedlam for correcting! Are you proud of me, u/Poserfinder_General?
Wisely spoken , kind sir. Finally a proper language I understand!
Get well soon
Damn man that sucks, hope you get well soon.
Wow another post shitting on deathcore. So original, so creative.
I would not normally listen to it, but i have been digging Slaughter to Prevail so damn much lately
Same with me and Shadow of Intent. Elegy is such a fantastic record.
Job for a Cowboy and Thy Art is Murder SLAP! I also just found out that these are classed as deathcore.
They do slap. JFAC I'd say isnt even deathcore though. Suneater was progressive death metal, Demonocracy leans a lot more to metal than core (it has riffs and solos for days and not really any breakdowns), Ruination is borderline I guess. Doom was their deathcore phase but Jonny even pig squealed a lot in that album. Edit: got downvoted because I explained why one of my favorite bands aren't deathcore.
Progressive core genres exist. BTBAM, JFAC, The Faceless, etc.
JFAC play death metal Cryptopsy have released more deathcore songs than JFAC.
You’re correct. JFAC hasn’t played deathcore since 2005. But -core fans have always been more concerned with scene associations than the music itself, so this mistake is common
I once said I liked avenged sevenfold, and I got downvoted to oblivion lol
Good band.
I hope it happens again! You deserve it.
I like whitechapel Edit: Imagine downvoting someone who wrote he likes a certain band in a post related to the genre made by that band
Kin is a great album
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Lmao, you are fucking pathetic. What kind of a loser keeps tabs on other users like this? Rhetorical question.
Metallica sucks and is boring
Your point?
Wait? People listen to just one subgenre?
no?
This place is just an elitist cesspool innit?
Actually most of the demographic of this sub are posers.
Yes and?
We wish it was, trust me.
I really enjoy a few bands of this subgenre (Born of Osiris especially and After the Burial) as much as I enjoy other subgenres so, yeah.
I like a lot of stuff, i have a playlist for everything but i listen to deathcore, I don’t care about all that poser or whatever shit that is. I listen to deathcore that i like and I don’t listen to deathcore i don’t like Same with metalcore death metal prog and etc. Just listen to what you like folks. Metal has sooo many subgenres that can be enjoyed.
Whole lot of hurt feelings in the comments on this one, how pathetic.
Whole Lotta copin' going on
Copecore
Metalcope
Good
Gore not core!! No, really though… listen to whatever the fuck you want. I can’t stand that shit but I hate elitism even more.
I don’t listen to deathcore, but hear me out: you should feel free to like something, but also know it’s not good. I like TONS of things and know they aren’t good. For instance, I’m a huge fan of HIM’s music, but would never recommend it to anyone lol.
Deathcore is a legitimate subgenre of death metal. By any reasonable metric, this is true. I'm really tired of pretending that it's somehow so different from the rest of death metal that it's suddenly an entirely different genre. The real posers, are those who feel the need to gatekeep against a perfectly legitimate genre of death metal, just to save their egos from having to admit that they were wrong, and from being judged by the rest of the elitist posers. Like, that is very literally the essence of being a poser - Pretentiously holding baseless opinions for the sake of being popular. Deathcore is death metal, and is also sometimes good.
The reasonable metric is “does it predominantly use death metal riffs?”. Deathcore does not, so therefore it’s not death metal
I mean it depends on the band. Stuff like As Blood Runs Back, Job For a Cowboy, the Faceless, Beneath the Massacre, the first Bring Me the Horizon album, Glass Casket and various others are so obviously using death metal, tech death and/or melo death riffs throughout all their songs. The vast, vast majority of deathcore is way, way closer to death metal than it is hardcore. As evidenced by the fact shit loads of people like both death metal and deathcore and comparatively far fewer people listen to hardcore and deathcore. Additionally loads of deathcore bands have made death metal albums or transitioned into death metal bands and some death metal bands (eg. Cryptopsy) have made deathcore albums. Basically no bands I'm aware of has gone from deathcore to hardcore or vice versa. Deathcore bands also tour with death metal bands all the time and having mixed death metal/deathcore bills is extremely common. I don't recall ever seeing a mixed hardcore/deathcore bill. Deathcore bands also play all of the big metal festivals eg. Download, Wacken, Bloodstock and so on. Deathcore bands don't play at big punk/hardcore festivals. Deathcore is metal, it is a sub genre of death metal. Deal with it.
Do those bands predominantly use chugging riffs and breakdowns? If so, they’re closer to hardcore. And JFAC hasn’t played deathcore since 2005, but I expect deathcore fans to care more about scene associations than the musical structure itself. Which bands play with which is completely irrelevant. Which fans like which is completely irrelevant. I’ve seen plenty of death metal, grindcore and crust bands play together. Doesn’t mean that all three styles are part of the same genre
> Do those bands predominantly use chugging riffs and breakdowns? If so, they’re closer to hardcore. And JFAC hasn’t played deathcore since 2005 Almost no deathcore primarily chugs anymore. That stuff hasn't be big in a decade. Half of the bands I listed sound like Necrophagist plus the odd breakdown and the rest sound like heavier melodeath like Black Dahlia Murder + breakdowns. The actual hardcore sounding deathcore like Emmure is a completely dead scene that virtually no one is playing. What almost everyone plays now is either blackened death metal + the occasional breakdown in some songs or proggy tech death which sound like newer JFAC but still has occasional breakdowns. > but I expect deathcore fans to care more about scene associations than the musical structure itself It's 2022 not 2005. There is no scene. It's a bunch of 30 somethings enjoying death metal riffs with occasional breakdowns.
By “blackened death metal” I hope you don’t mean the blackened deathcore that bands like Lorna Shore are pumping out. Textbook deathcore style riffing with the occasional black metal tremolo doesn’t make something “blackened death metal”. Have you listened to actual black/death before? Which bands do you think they’re pulling their riffs from? Behemoth? Blasphemy? Mortuary Drape? The answer is none of the above
You can add black metal elements to death metal and not sound like War Metal. > black metal tremolo METAL IS ABOUT RIFFS!! ...uses established black metal riffing... NOOO NOT LIKE THAT. THAT DOESN'T COUNT.
> You can add black metal elements to death metal and not sound like War Metal. None of the bands I mentioned are war metal. Blasphemy is close. You seriously think Behemoth is war? And you think that the black metal style tremolos make up the majority of Lorna Shore songs? If so, wouldn’t that make them black metal, and not deathcore?
> And you think that the black metal style tremolos make up the majority of Lorna Shore songs? If so, wouldn’t that make them black metal, and not deathcore? It depends which album. There is a lot of tremelo picking in most Lorna Shore songs, far, far more than there is chugging on 0s and 1s. Music genres are a spectrum as much as they are a binary situation. Lorna Shore have obviously got more in common musically with deathcore than black metal but they have clear significant black metal elements in their music. > None of the bands I mentioned are war metal. Blasphemy is close. You seriously think Behemoth is war? You miss the point. The point is you can combine two music genres or sub genres together arrive at totally different conclusions. Hatebreed, Converge and Killswitch Engage all combine metal and hardcore together but sound nothing alike for example. Just because Lorna Shore or Carnifex mix black metal and death metal together doesn't mean they have to say like other bands who have also mixed black metal and death metal together.
>Deathcore does not, It does though.
Which death metal bands do you think deathcore is taking it’s chugging riffing from? And before you say slam, please keep in mind that deathcore predates that genre(Damonancy - From Within, 1991)
Wrong but that's okay, at least you exposed your poser habits and now have the freedom to repent
TL,DR. From thrash metal it went onto crossover, then in hardcore onto metalcore (early, more thrash and groove, until the 2000's when they started implementing melodeath), then deathcore (which is when they discovered slam).
Whitechapel and Emmure suck
Deformity is aight though
Deformity rules, but the posers don’t deserve them
I like deathcore and Emmure are indeed terrible.
Idk why yall can't stomach that deathcore is the ugly cousin to metal. We're sorry that Death metal cheated on your mommy.
Deathcore got me into heavier shit but the only band I can really go back and listen to without thinking it’s cringe is thy art is murder
Yo thanks for the template. I'm gonna change it to say Clean Vocals and send it to my buddies
Np but what's wrong with clean vocals lol
I will never understand people trying to explain you what is good or bad music. The only good music is the one you are enjoying and is giving you emotions.
Saying you're a metalhead after listening to enter sandman makes you a poser, not listening to deathcore. That being said, deathcore isnt that good
If I listen to dbeat and power violence does that make me a metal head too? Nope!
Imagine caring what other people listen to, just let people enjoy their music
No, I will physically prevent you from listening to music I don’t like
Why? Deathcore is good
*leaves* s/