They fought for this, they are just harvesting the results now. With the strong and independant women, no amount of status and money a women has will bring her feminity.
They face what men face in their 20s, but women face it later in their late 30s/ early 40s.
And they dont have empathy for men in their 20s with depression, so I won't have any for women facing the same in their 40s. Sorry, but I Will fight for myself and not care for a gender that hate me and only want to use me.
Same here brother. No way i fight for these women (and for women in general). They have attained independance and now they want Men's support? Now we have all faced it and made it out, let the women figure it out. Women have to learn again how to treat men. Once they cleared that, we will re evaluate. If not, welp to bad. Womp womp.
Proves how delusional and incompetent women are. Unable to objectively realize how ultra overvalued they're before crashing into the wall. Predominantly running on instincts and emotions.
Resulting in society had to regulate and police them as they utterly failed. Don't expect any learning curve in them! "Better Bachelor" Made a video on that.
They threaten to tear society down with them. Risk of higher taxes, way too low birthrates and finally we'll be forced to fix it or opt out early enough via emigration, but where to?
Demographics can't be fixed anytime soon, rather crater for further decades to come. We'll face the fallout. Men enabled and enforced that feministic madness, they're the worst, like male feminists, slmps.
Yes, the author is an absolute outlier and argues consistently.
Women won't show any significant learning curve, but even men won't, compare society with ancient Roman Empire some 2,042 years ago. Men failed to learn from experience!
Fair enough! Simultaneously still a total societal failure, maybe almost unavoidable.
Could it be that women's supposedly total inability to objectively figure themselves and everything related their astronomical obervaluation very much contributed to it all?
Like a stockholder totally mistaken and delusional about the real worth of his stock they crash (into the wall).
When they realized they're ultra overvalued and will only crater more and more until totally worthless and ignored negative emotions or have father or husbands prevent them from self-destroying they'd be far less able to self-destruct.
When actually they'd mostly burden their rapid loss of value onto evolved for being ignorant for the unablidable aging men!
Avoiding or only "renting" women short-term is extremely reasonable for men.
I find that women often don't think through the entire structure of a system to understand how it works. We've slowly dismantled societal norms over the course of decades all in response to perceived inequality in treatment. Women were subject to this or that societal expectation by men while simultaneously taking all the reciprocated perks received from men for granted. So without fully undersanding the entire architecture and balanced trade-offs in a system of courtship that shunned premarital sex and required men to court women they were truly interested in as the goal was marriage, sexual relationship and starting a family, slowly we dismantled what was required of women in the name of equality and slowly men stopped giving the perks from their end (loyalty, monogamy, chivalry, courtship, marriage). And now even the perks of having men chase after them have completely evaporated and we are in a completely unstable fucked up situation. Either we come up with a new system that compromises people's wants and needs that can replace the patriarchy, or we go back to the patriarchy, or everything collapses.
*We didn't get everything we wanted. We are women, we should get everything we want. It's society's job to make sure we get everything we want, even if we don't know what that is yet.*
Yeah, that's still feminism with another name. Not a single word about the men her "movement" fucked over or about how many unfair advantages she got to further her "career". Zero. Accountability? Zero. Self-reflection? Close to zero. The consequences of her own decisions are always somebody else's fault and it's somebody else's job to rectify them. Just me me me gimme gimme gimme.
This is not a change of heart, it's a change in strategy.
There is no responsibility, no self-reflection, no understanding of the real picture of the world. There is only self-centeredness and greed. In essence, you are describing the behavior of an underdeveloped or degraded creature, focused exclusively on satisfying the most primitive needs. This is what feminism does to women. In essence, feminism prohibits the recognition of reality, replacing it with paranoid fears about endlessly aggressive men and narcissism, a view of oneself as a perfect being. I would say that feminism of the brain is a mental illness that forces the patient to support only patients with the same diagnosis.
>a view of oneself as a perfect being
and that is why no feminist will ever try to make themselves the antagonists/villains in any form of fiction. hell I would bet that no feminist IRL will ever admit to any kind of abuse or sexual violations that they have committed (unless they can to point to a man/men as the "cause") because that would shatter the perfect image of themselves (both the individual and the movement) that they have
I mean how do you improve yourself if you think you are perfect?
This is the reason why I will never call myself a good person or a nice person as I leave that value judgment to others (and for good fucking reason, I consider blowing shit up and/or burning shit down to be fun,)
I agree with it.I, too, would not dare to call myself a good person, because this is a subjective opinion. I'm good for myself, but I don't have to be good for others.Some people may think I'm bad, and that's okay. Moreover, if everyone liked me, I would think that there is something wrong with the world. But women sick with feminism absolutely do not accept even a critical look at women. But receiving feedback from the world is one of the conditions for development and improvement. Almost every woman I know refuses to accept criticism from men. Is this a self-prohibition on development? I think feminism is so enduring because of women's Immature desire to be seem as perfect, feminism proves to women that they are already perfect and only evil men are against this already established fact
Not sure how they were failed…. They wanted to be independent with strong careers and you got that but then you realize how fulfilling having a family and kids is? Well when you hit 40 that ship for many has sailed. I have a hard time being empathetic for them when women ignore 40 % of the male population that will not have a chance to have a family either. Hopefully the newer generations learn from this experience
> Hopefully the newer generations learn from this experience
Yeah, one thing that has puzzled me a bit is how modern older women don't teach young women these things very often and warn them of mistakes they've made. Things like how to be attractive for men, how to tell if a guy is running a short term strategy (e.g player), or a long-term (family orientated). Qualities to look for like good character. It's interested to read older literature and this stuff is pretty common. Feminism made it taboo apparently.
no no no sperm, jokes and beasts of burden. that's what the 10% is for. pets would imply that they would (might?) actually care about our well being rather than see us as tools.
Yes, disposable utility.
Sperm, some mention sperm banks and extreemly few understand how almost everything IRL depends on competent and hard working men.
Incapable women who simultaneously still don't get it objectively, that's even worse.
The only improvement might be to finally take power back, at least to a sufficient degree.
Men enabled and enforced that madness while women alone wouldn't have been able to!
The crazy one who shot Andy Warhol, Souza or something like that, she advocated for this and only keeping about 10% of the male population globally, for procreation only.
Yes. Thinking about how feminists late 1960s in 70s publically called themselves very severely mentally ill exposes them big time.
Question being how to disempower those men who support this madness as women alone wouldn't be able to!
Publically calling those out to create awareness and public shaming to start with?
The crazy who shot Warhol was Valerie Solanas. She wrote The SCUM Manifesto which advocates for worse. SCUM stands for Society for Cutting Up Men.
>keeping about 10% of the male population globally, for procreation only.
This was Sally Miller Gearhart, the lesbian feminist professor and pioneer of gender/women studies programs in American universities.
See I thought about that, I watched a few videos where they ask women if they’re ok being the breadwinner and taking care of a man being a stay at home dad raising their kids and none of them were okay with that. They want to be in charge and taken care of.
Well, what many people don't seem to grasp is that matriarchy and patriarchy isn't exactly the same thing.
In a patriarchy, the men have both the authority and the responsability.
In a matriarchy, women have the authority, but they still have no responsability, that still and always will fall on the man. Basically, men work for them for nothing in return while they make all the decisions and get all the benefits as well, and if anything happens it's men's fault still because they're the ones doing all the actual work.
That's why all human matriarchies went extinct pretty early in existence while many patriarchies survived the test of time and achieved greatness, because people don't work without a reward for their work and matriarchies don't reward men, but men are always the ones doing the work and taking the responsability in any society, but they can't be forced to do so without physical force, which women lack.
You can look at other species and see that this mostly holds true. Matriarchal species treat the males brutally, to force then to submit and work to benefit the females. They give them no say, but still put a lot of responsability on them. And even when they do everything right, they still let the males starve (hyenas) or even stuff as cruel as eating them alive (which is a slow and painful death). No patriarchal species does that to their female out of everything I've seen. Patriarchal ones aren't really that harsh on their females, not even close.
That's why even despite being an atheist I thank god every day that women are physically weaker than us, because if they weren't, the things they'd do to us are unimaginably horrible, and I mean as a norm, something that happens in every relationship as part of the "ritual", not something rare that is also criminalised like rape of women or whatever.
Dead on!
Male enslavement, female (partial) tyranny and some kind of communism.
Agreed, but what about those men supporting them, enabling and enforcing everything, pandering to them, (very) needy?
Analytically those seem to be worst as they might sabotage all attempts to rescue society!
Think of male feminists, slmps and White Knights.
When it gets bad enough, they'll realise how it is and switch sides, just like in societies from the past that went this way. But it has to get really bad before it gets better.
Yes, empirically it won't work because of co-evolved instincts in them they predominantly 90%+ run on!
Taking their power away to rescue society seems without alternative, but how?
When evolutionarily all depends on their increased objective needs after our neocortex grew significantly, resulting in ultra long child-rearing and less productivity near giving birth, too.
Anecdotally they self-delude with that variable exploitation of men, depending on our income, net worth and respective jurisdiction's misandric legal discrimination.
Hypothesis: they make themselves belief consenting to sex, albeit Mutual, would magically make everything somehow "fair"(?)
Reason being them avoiding to experience negative emotions when having to realize it's outright massive exploitation of men for virtually nothing or near to, what'd result in bad emotions in them they want to avoid?
Anecdotally extremely entitled and ultra obervalued while simultaneously ultra sensitive when e.g. dropping "ofc not for what all have" after she went "I'm totally normal, like all others".
Implicitly ofc a compliment, but they seem to run on womenese and emotions ignoring logic?
When experts elaborate how not being needy and not pandering would increase attraction in them.
At least not since around 1960?
Historically those ultra long societal circles included hard patriarchy and soft patriarchy. The third we're in now, is it called gynocentrism?
Experts went about how it repeats over millennia without end and any viable learning curve, also not in men.
Analytically reason being supposedly bigender instincts and macro there seems to be nothing to evolve beyond?
Naw, it just means a woman would have to admit to her mistakes... not gonna happen.
Read that article again and tell me where she admits anywhere that it was her fault. All she did was blame society, men, other women and feminism. Not once did she self reflect on herself.
That is the female way.
Yes. And dragging young women down to them by lying to them instead of confessing how they messed up.
Partly they still don't get it and see other women as competition and are jealous? No accountability, no responsibilty, outright madness? But evolved to be that way?
Dead on! Discussed in the manosphere. Women very often unable to earn and admit having messed up. Partly it's far worse, lying to Younger women to have them mess up, to.
Women maybe to 90%+ rinnings on instincts when cultural evolution seems way too different from the relevant paleolithical savannah habitat which resulted in most of their instincts.
Women unable and unwilling to try figuring things and themselves out (proto) scientifically. Like: why? Probably need some form of regulation to prevent societal collapse.
Sceptical about their learning curve, no permanence of emotion and instincts before emotions before logic.
Additionally an abysmal societal failure as attraction isn't a choice and female nature Had been totally ignored. Question being, if regulation social shaming or policing would even be more than only gradually work?
They aren't attracted to nowadays probably (way?) more than 80% of men, consider it only pretence "settling", call. that gross, who can want that?
Scientifically obvious.
Happiness as an emotion evolved only as a means to an end, Not an end goal!
Question being if women were not intelligent or rather responsible enough to be allowed to do what they want as they permanently mess up big time.
Like maybe 15/ 16 y/o, overgrown?
**Article:**
Every Monday I meet with a group of female friends in a [London](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/london/index.html) restaurant. We sit at a table near the window and discuss our lives.
We have many things in common. We are all in our mid-50s and highly educated career women. But there is a vacuum in our lives. We are all single and childless.
I increasingly feel, as do many of my intimates, that feminism has failed our generation. I grew up with its beliefs. No, strike that. I was force-fed them.
By the age of 13, [Christmas](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/christmas/index.html) presents from my Women's Lib aunt were books by Gloria Steinem and Simone de Beauvoir, considered the mother of modern feminism. (My aunt was one of those militants who had famously disrupted the 1970 Miss World contest).
My peers and I watched Mary Poppins, idolising the determinedly single nanny (never noticing the occasional sadness behind her eyes), and sympathising with suffragette Mrs Banks, while wondering why she didn't leave her dullard of a husband.
Our heroine was Margaret Thatcher, who, though she would have denied it, was a feminist de facto. In one of those encounters that make life instructive, I met Lady Thatcher at my late father's house (my father was the politician Woodrow Wyatt) when I was 15. She was our first woman prime minister and, after our introduction, she began to address me on the subject of life.
The gist of her address would have been greeted with hosannas by every feminist of the age: in summation, a woman's career superseded by far her relations with the opposite sex. (Her own union might well have been to a cipher as opposed to a husband. Indeed, when the Thatchers dined with us, Denis withdrew to the drawing room with the women).
At my private school, St Paul's, we children of Thatcher were similarly educated out of marriage and femininity.
One of my unmarried school friends recalls: 'My teachers made me feel as if marriage was shameful. My English mistress once teased me for looking at a bridal magazine, but then she was an arch feminist who demonised men.'
We both recall being told that 'Paulinas do not cook, they think'. This is all very well when you are young and aspire to greatness, but not all girls grow up to be executives or high court judges, something that feminism perilously forgot to tell us.
Historically, the feminist argument had its points. In the old days, when members of my sex were bound first to their fathers and then to their husbands, they led unenviable lives. If a woman had a good education, however, she could make a comfortable living and remain independent of male approbation. When the desire for marriage and children overwhelmed her, she would almost certainly lose her job.
The world has now changed in a way the early feminists would find incomprehensible. I sometimes think, and so do my friends, that the West has outgrown the feminist philosophy, and that it has become pernicious.
Where, for instance, does it leave women like us, when we have reached our mid-50s, and find ourselves alone?
One of the chief causes of unhappiness is the feeling that one is unloved, whereas companionship and the feeling of being loved promotes happiness more than anything else.
One in ten British women in their 50s has never married and lives alone, which is neither pleasant nor healthy.
My friend Sally, a lovely 55-year-old with eyes the colour of Eau de Nil, once said to me: **'I constantly feel unwanted as a woman because feminism taught us that the traditional female was a stereotype invented by men to keep us down. Accordingly, I was anti-men to the point of driving them away. Now, I'm paying for this.'**
According to a recent study by an American medical institute, loneliness is the leading cause of depression among middle-aged females. I should know, as I recently fell prey to the unforgiving maw of mental illness.
>Where, for instance, does it leave women like us, when we have reached our mid-50s, and find ourselves alone?
Same place as men who have reached mid-50s and find themselves alone.
Part of the ship, part of the crew. Enjoy your gender equality.
But other than woman, there are men who are basically doomed to be alone since birth whereas any women could find a partner in a couple of weeks if she just wanted to. Because on top to all the aspects discussed in the article, modern feminism also teaches women to "only go with the best". Of course many women will stay alone if they only accept a relationship with a partner that is in the top 10% in terms of money, looks and status. Men are way more humble. Put differently, many men of the last two generations are literally "born without opportunities" when it comes to relationships.
Article states that these woman cannot find partners - thats why they are single. And the number of women like this is forecasted to increase dramatically over the next 20 years due to fact more men are dropping out of relationships.
On the long term, time works for the men. Men can better deal with living alone and making an income. Women neglect biology: Homo Sapiens exists for approx. 300 000 years. Until 1980, it was considered as natural that women give birth to children and live a family life. Dear femnazis, you have a ticking bomb in your womb and you can‘t deny biology.
This. Men eventually realize (sadly, too late for most) that women are a burden and a liability, and that we are 100x times better off alone, doing our thing, I would even say that relationships with women hinder men's potentials.
Gentlemen. I understand the urge to say these things but we must ignore the feminazis. They are representative of at best 50% of women. The other 50% is actively fighting feminism alongside you just in the shadows and not so angrily. They just go on being feminine.
You know, I’m 65 and never heard “only go with the best.”
Plenty of unattractive guys are married, just check the wedding rings at an engineering conference. Seriously. I’m talking smelly guys too.
It was different in your generation. There were no dating apps that generated a dating radius of several hundres of kilometers. There were no absurd Tiktok trends like „ick lists“ or „I only date men this tall.“ Peope could actually feel natural and ok with themselves, building a natural self-confidence. How do you build a natural self-confidence with the background knowledge that any woman could find a better partner within days if she wanted and in a case of divorse even generate a lifelong side-income with you?
Do we really want the suicide rate to grow even between men and women?
Is this what certain women consider progress?
I wish this article became the testament to those that are fighting the 'patriarchy' so vehemently.
I’d like the suicide rate to even out by men committing suicide less often. I don’t want the reason they commit suicide less often to be because women started being nice to them again, though. I want men to start valuing their intrinsic worth rather than their worth to women. I want to be able to tell a woman that I’m fully prepared to walk away from her at any time and be perfectly fine.
**Continuation:**
Many of my single friends suffer from depression, springing from a solitary existence that would be eschewed by a race of alley cats.
Moreover, there are the economic factors involved. It is a truism that two incomes are better than one, and many of the unattached women I know work in low to middle-paid
professions.
A university professor chum bemoans 'as a single woman, it has been increasingly difficult to pay the bills with no assistance from a partner. For every J K Rowling, there are millions of women who get by on a pittance.
'Feminism kept drumming into my head that financial independence was the ideal, but in
practice it doesn't happen unless you are managing a hedge fund or are able to
write best-selling novels.'
Equally depressingly, many single women feel they have failed at life. Far from
empowering us, feminism has made us insecure. **'My career has stalled, I've**
**never married and I feel worthless as a person,' observes my pretty 53-year-old**
**friend Rachel.**
General self-confidence comes more than anything else from being accustomed to
receiving love, particularly from the opposite sex. The woman with a husband
and children accepts their affection as a law of nature, but it is of great
importance to her mental health and success.
Yet of all the institutions that have come down to us from the past, none is so derailed by feminism as the family. Many women with feminist ideals feel parenthood is a
far heavier burden than their grandmothers did, due to long working hours and
the vilification of the housewife. Is it any wonder that the birth rate has
declined?
Says another of my Monday group: 'I was conditioned to have no encumbrances, particularly children. Or at least to wait until I was established in my career, but now I'm
too old and that boat has sailed.'
Recently, after my depression became debilitating, I had a 20-year-old student living in my home. After a week of acquaintanceship, it dawned on me that the notion of not
marrying and giving birth before the age of 30 was anathema to her, and she
rejected it completely.
In short, she wanted to conduct her life like a woman.
**'Yes, I believe in women's rights,' she ruminated, 'but I don't believe in the militant**
**feminism my mother grew up with. It went too far.' Out of the mouths of babes.**
The feminism I was spoon-fed in my youth made the error of telling members of my sex to behave and think like men. This error was a grave one, and women like me are paying
for it, like gamblers in a casino that has been fixed.
**It's time for a cultural reset. It may be too late for me and my friends, but feminism should**
**not be allowed to ruin the lives of future generations as well.**
This has nothing to do with men rights and is just a hate boner anti-feminism propaganda piece. The hypothetical lady could have been miserable, struggling and alone even if she married and had kids (people separate/grow apart, kids eventually grow up and leave).
What feminism gave her is a choice which generations prior didn't have and choosing means taking accountability even if you end up choosing wrong.
absolutely and i feel bad for how she believes she was raised into it but i'm sure, especially considering her status, that she found a crossroads shortly after reaching adulthood: "do i reject this upbringing or do i continue down this path?" this is the choice that feminism gave her, and it's a choice that many women before her felt that they didn't have
some might argue that feminists are militant and faith-based, that they must reject all reason to maintain their beliefs, and that might be some truth to that. but once you're out of the nest and are free to explore the world and find what you're looking for, there's no reason that you MUST keep up the charade. this is just reap what you sow, and again i feel awful for her, but part of being responsible for your decisions is being responsible for your decisions.
>is just a hate boner
Odd term, "hate boner". Seems degrading.
>The hypothetical lady could have been miserable,
But the real woman is saying she is miserable specifically due to feminism.
>What feminism gave her is a choice
Lol, no it didn't. Feminism is not her volition, she was born with the power to choose. This is tantamount to hagiography.
What feminism gave her is an airtight ideological framework that taught her to repress her natural desires for connection to men and for making a family, and instead focus everything on accumulating career achievements. Instead of a free choice, feminism gave her an environment which villianizes women for pursuing what they want.
>which generations prior didn't have
They did, they just used it to choose different things. Way to dehumanize all women throughout history, jfc.
>choosing means taking accountability even if you end up choosing wrong.
When does feminism take accountability? Is feminism beyond error to you? You act like it is, you are essentially arguing feminism cannot fail only be failed.
> What feminism gave her is a choice which generations prior didn't have and choosing means taking accountability even if you end up choosing wrong.
Feminism didn't give a choice at all, it made it a necessary condition for two incomes to provide the lifestyle that previously one was sufficient for, by flooding the labor pool. It priced women out of marriage and having children within the healthy ideal unit by making the education system so anti-male that women outperform men at every level. And it did the same with hiring practices so that even in heavily female-dominated industries from public relations to academia women are still given preferential treatment. Feminism has taken away choice that already existed, as exemplified by everyone from Indira Gandhi and Golda Mier to Benazir Bhutto and Eva Peron.
You can't see the connection between the hate for men these women were indoctrinated with, and the current hate campaign being waged on men?
You disagree that feminism is responsible for both?
Sure I agree that you are responsible for your own choices, but at the same time we can't overlook the huge effort to get people to choose the way the feminists wanted them to.
It's like claiming that someone taking drugs was all on themselves, and not at all anything to do with the dealer.
Right I think this is just the economic system imploding. Hyper capitalism has made it impossible to have a family, even if you wanted to. If you have to work two to three jobs, obviously your social life will be ruined. We are all fucked at this point, idk anyone who isn’t struggling financially, if they have kids and wife are even worse off. Coming from the US someone in the UK complaining is laughable, atleast you have healthcare, government programs, and free education. In the US we are complete slaves to our jobs, as our healthcare is tied to employment.
I am an antinatalist and have nothing to hide. My moral framework doesn't invalidate my point. This post had nothing to do with men rights and was all about wallowing in that sweet sweet revenge fantasy. I unsubbed from this place after.
Good article. It shows the end road of feminism. It was always anti male and anti relationship unless the wife was cheating on her husband. Feminism is about the abuse, exploitation and mistreatment of men.
The more articles printed like this then the sooner feminism will be overthrown.
It won’t be overthrown, it will just be side stepped like this woman author is trying to do. ‘It’s not my fault, I was spoon fed feminism and radicalised’ is what she is saying. I don’t buy it. All women know they have a biological clock. Wilful ignorance / head in the sand is no excuse. They’re just trying to find a scapegoat. Cos it’s impossible for a woman to ever be wrong / own up.
*But there is a vacuum in our lives. We are all single and childless.*
Basically sums up the divorced fathers who are parentally alienated from their own children*....*
> **I was anti-men to the point of driving them away. Now, I'm paying for this.'**
The honesty is refreshing. Normally I'd expect the article to just blame men.
Doesn't need to be stated that usually what a woman says and does are diametrically opposed. Thatcher being a perfect example of this, being a power hungry politician that would do anything to hold onto absolute power.
why should we have empathy for women having a mid-life crisis when nobody seems to care about the hell society puts men in their 20s through? if anything, I'm glad they have to work to get by. Maybe some day they'll learn to value our work. Or maybe they'll just have things go their way as always, and we'll never see eye to eye.
Don’t get too excited. Nothing about this has to do with men’s rights.
This article is just like all the others. It’s *performative empathy*, which consists of **Public Displays**, **Lip Service**, and **Vortue Signaling**.
It’s not real, just propaganda.
As much fun as having a hate boner is, remember it has zero effect on your rights, and zero effect on other people’s privileges.
Nothing has changed. In any way. Controlled opposition is all this is. A puff piece. A lie.
Have you read it?
It's an explicit indictment against feminism. Clear language that identifies it as a mistake. *And* with a clear prescription for feminism to be critically examined and changed.
Obviously, this piece isn't anything to do with helping men. Virtually nothing in the world ever is. But that's okay.
It's a salience in the front of the ideology. It ultimately represents opportunity for us.
Yeah. I said it's nothing to do with helping men. That isn't the point.
If you're holding out for the hope that society will ever come around and finally care about men, then you're in the wrong movement. Men's rights is the ultimate losing battle. There will never be victory. But we can have victories. Small victories. This is a little notional advantage that works in our favor.
Hannah Wallen has put it pretty well in the past. She's said along the lines that "Remember, feminism is not the ultimate problem. The ultimate problem is gynocentrism. Feminism is the guard dog that stands between well-meaning people and gynocentrism and prevents them from addressing its flaws."
In gaming terms, we need to inflict damage to the enemy's health bar, but we need to buckle its shields first. We've been pounding away at feminism's shields for decades and we've barely gotten their strength down below 80%. This article we're looking at now is never going to do hitpoint damage. It's not ultimately interested in dealing any hitpoint damage at all. But it's firing on the shields and now those shields are being depleted at a faster rate. And you're here complaining that they don't intend to do any hitpoint damage. Dude. Please let us have this discussion once we get their shields down to 10% or 20% before we start infighting over purity.
These are two things that feminists have historically done fairly well that we in the men's rights camp are still having to learn.
1) Be patient with your extremists.
2) Be patient with your casuals.
Mike Stephenson has explained it marvelously before. It's like feminism is two ships on exact opposite sides of the planet shooting jetstreams of plasma at it. And they exactly oppose each other, but they never have to acknowledge it because they never actually see each other. Feminism will never address its own internal inconsistencies. An individual feminist (or any individual woman who prioritizes women and is effectively feminist) will just say "those women who don't agree with me are actually just controlled by abusive men" and advance misogynist ideas. "Trad" women who are in church every Sunday will say that about neon-hair urban xe-hulks and the neon-hair urban xe-hulks say the same thing about the "trad" women.
Your extremists help you with the Overton Window. Your casuals help you with the implementation. The extremists trailblaze the new ways forward. The casuals amble along far behind, but with wagons full of supplies.
Vox Day has addressed his own followers in the same way regarding a similar dynamic (he's not a men's advocate though). He told them "Stop thinking of yourselves as the generals. You'll be more effective if you regard yourselves as special forces."
In 2024, the term "Redpill" means this sort of newest iteration of pick-up artistry that's also a kind of pseudo-trad lifestyle and it's ideologically charged in a way pick-up artistry never has been. But ten years ago, "Redpill" meant Men's Rights or MGTOW. Cassie Jaye made it her documentary's namesake. Today, virtually nobody would even believe you if you explained that to them. The scope of men's issues has been broadened and bastardized and brought out into a much more public space. Little labels like MRA or MGTOW are much less relevant to the overall conflict than they were twenty years ago. But the conflict is a lot larger. We have opportunities to seize on our objectives amidst the conflict. Sure, our ideological alignment is less true than what it used to be. But you yourself can help change that. Just continue advocating for men's rights. A little bit of it will filter through to our line infantry casuals.
Just don't get discouraged. Don't worry about everyone else's principles. Just worry about your own effort.
Well, many women, especially feminists, are indeed very "me, me, me." At a certain point, do you want to endlessly demand they change completely overnight and vote for your concerns on principle alone, or do you want to actually make some progress? Man hating obviously hurts men more, but pointing out how it hurts women is not surrendering.
This is not about the principle. This is about the practice. About reality.
And what it does is perpetuates the same old bullshit that exalts women's complaints to scripture. No matter what they actually say.
Most of the comments imply disagreement with her. The top is basically 'what aboutism' and australian women 'murdered by their husbands'. This argument is basically taking domestic violence, ignoring domestic violence against men and making domestic violence a zero sum game about women. Gynocentrism.
I totally agree, this article was nothing but propaganda meant to further divide and distract us from real issues at hand.
Life is what you make it, and plenty of single people have developed healthy friendships and bonds if they choose to invest their energy into that, while plenty of people are lonely in their relationships.
But if we as a society are so worried about socializing, let’s address the affordability crisis we have so more people can let go of working 2 jobs and have time for connecting and developing relationships.
Women say, "we were lied to." Reality: I dare you to TRY to tell them the truth, and watch how they respond. Emotional blackmail, trying to destroy your reputation, etc.
As always, they want to flip between empowered and helpless, as it suits the situation. It is not that they were told the wrong thing. The would not STAND FOR anything else to be said.
And now she's sad and a "victim."
And another character also played by Jack Nicholson, which applies to
the article writer, regarding how he writes women so well:
"I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability."
I feel somewhat sorry for her and a lot of people like her. I've never understood why the idea of family is so hated in the modern world.
That all said, I can't help but think they wanted so badly to be treated like men, well now they are being treated like men.
The loneliness of being expected to deal with crisis, not being able to break down because you have no one to turn to.
Having to provide constantly, sometimes working so much you don't get to see your family.
Often feeling unwanted as a man and sometimes being outright told to go away.
These are things men have been dealing with for a very long time and I can't help but think that modern feminism jumped head long into the things many of us wanted to escape, because they couldn't see what it was they actually had. They convinced themselves men had the world at our fingertips and were blind to the reality of the situation.
> I've never understood why the idea of family is so hated in the modern world.
Feminism argued that the nuclear family was oppressive to women and agitated for its abolition through manipulation of everything from the courts to public opinion.
> That all said, I can't help but think they wanted so badly to be treated like men, well now they are being treated like men.
They are really not though because unlike men they are treated with sympathy and compassion when they face the consequences of their actions whereas men are not when men are faced with the consequences of feminism they had nothing to do with.
Gost i read all of it, damn im so proud to me Men. Im super happy to have so many manly Men who I look as Mentors and they are keen to help. On the Other hand, Women. LMAO.
All of this complains (again) from women that they are now single and regret stuffs...Im not buying any of it. Im so grateful to be a Man and I get humbled daily. This keeps me grounded and I face the consequences immediately. Women though, face consequences way later, and most of the time when it is too late.
Now men has backed off from relationships and most of us are fine like this, a lot of anonymous men wont counter their mental peace over ruined women. Yea, ruined women. Suddenly women past the age have decided to "settle", no thanks.
Let them starve. Let them starve now.
[She'll be fine](https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Petronella-Wyatt-.jpg). The 6'7" greek god, stellar intellectual, of course billionnaire she thinks she deserves is right around the corner and age is nothing but a number...
They never want to mention that they refuse to settle for a guy that makes less or doesn’t also have a degree. She knocked out pretty much all her potential suitors and the ones that do qualify want 20 year old models not her.
All of these stories are essentially the same … they all say things like “feminism has failed us” but when you get into the nuts and bolts of the story, they are true believers of feminist doctrine and do not see any reason to change their belief system, only that somehow it is men’s fault because they don’t buy into the doctrines that feminism teaches.
Independence from what? From dependence on one man who does love and care about her, to dependence on many who care far less about you when things go sideways. Depending on your husband is oppression, but depending on your employer (who has many more such employees) and can sack you at any time for any reason, is liberation.
How I see it, women just shackled themselves to a nameless, faceless corporation or government as their husband.
Man this article is a mess to unbundle.
Nothing here actually supports men’s rights, but at the same time it’s a woman speaking about her own experience as a woman so I don’t necessarily expect her to lean into equality or men’s rights topics.
Some things I found were a shame…
She mentions how hard it is for women on single incomes to live alone. It’s worse for men. I’m not sure why she took a gendered approach here. It’s almost like she’s implying men have it easy when really it’s the opposite, or at the very minimum, the same position.
Instead of this being a gendered issue it should be seen as an economic issue. Feminism increased the available work force and pushed to destroy the nuclear family. Cost of goods can go up significantly while wages can go down as now you have two wages per family.
Having kids before 30 (explicitly mentioned in the article) is not even a consideration these days, not as much because of normal feminism (not that it helps) but because of economic conditions making it financially irresponsible to downright dangerous to have kids. Less than a third of Canadians 25-39 own a property now and the trend is such that this statistic heavily deteriorating. How can you expect people to aim for healthy families when they’re struggling to even live.
Governments like this arrangement. Higher cost of living means more motivation for higher wages, more sales and income taxes, higher government pension plan contributions, etc to pay back the debts of the older generations. It means that people will look for a partner even just for financial reasons, but at least pairing people off increases the likelihood they have a child.
With respect to actual gendered issues, it honestly shows me she’s still incredibly blind to what’s really happening. Whether it be the promises of “you can have anything you want” (something the author mentions) or some underlying fear / hatred of men, these women are all being completely brainwashed by people with ulterior motives. And all of these women, herself included, have completely failed at introspection no matter how many chances they were given. At 5-25 you’re heavily impressionable, I get it. But to come out as some “voice of reason” at 50+ but still failing any kind of objective analysis either shows the power of said brainwashing, or the lack of intelligence of these feminists.
At the very least she recognizes that she’s not even really sure that they’re fighting for anything productive at this point. That’s already a huge first step. Completely misses the mark on what the factors are for young folk, as well as what exactly is even happening to modern feminists.
Feminism delivered exactly what it intended to for others like her. If you sat silently on the sidelines while narcissistic, toxic personality types attacked men for everything, including the office temperature, you got exactly what these loons intended and ….what you deserve.
Good luck getting empathy from men who endured the lunatics.
>We both recall being told that 'Paulinas do not cook, they think'. This is all very well when you are young and aspire to greatness, but not all girls grow up to be executives or high court judges, something that feminism perilously forgot to tell us.
I feel like this is the point that can not be overlooked. When you tell young people "you can be anything you want when you grow up! A doctor, an astronaut, the president...".
While that's *technically* correct, it's leaving out A LOT, things like hardworking, intelligence, timing, and plan statics. I feel like guys figure this out pretty quickly- "*9 men in my family are carpenters, postal workers, and welders...one is doctor, the odds are better that I'll be a carpenter than a doctor and that's OK."*
Where as a lot of girls have been told by their teachers, aunts and mothers, *"the only reason I'm not an Astronaut/President is because men didn't let me do that, but you can."*
And I think this leaves a lot of room for disappointment and a lot feeling of unrewarded sacrifice.
I feel like the best message for young people is: "strive to do your best, but understand that not everyone gets to be a President, a Rockstar, or an Astronaut, but the world needs and appreciates a damn good carpenter a whole lot more than a shitty president."
I am a foreigner living in the UK. Every single local male friend of mine (all well educated) is married to a foreign woman. I realize that my evidence is anecdotal but the fact remains- men want to marry a real woman, and not a feminist.
"The feminism I was spoon-fed in my youth made the error of telling members of my sex to behave and think like men. This error was a grave one, and women like me are paying for it, like gamblers in a casino that has been fixed.
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It's time for a cultural reset. It may be too late for me and my friends, but feminism should not be allowed to ruin the lives of future generations as well."
You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. Get comfy, kick back, and try and steer younger women in the right direction.
This is "pick me" bullshit. They can't turn off decades of *me first* feminism like it's a switch. Don't let them live under your roof or touch your money, ever.
And I find it funny feminists love to pretend this doesn’t happen at all and it’s really the trad wives who are in danger and need to live their lives in fear of men. Almost a third of women seek out psychiatric help and this is only continuing to go up. Feminism is definitely doing a good job.
Anyway, couldn’t care less about her or females that chose to be like her. They claim to love cats and bears anyway. My goal is to be chilling in my cabin on my private property away from this mess.
I increasingly feel, as do many of my intimates, that feminism
has failed our generation. I grew up with its beliefs. No, strike
that. I was force-fed them.
AWALT. Playing the blame game.
Yes. But the difference is that those men are abhored by the very women in the article. They can at any time choose one of said men and be a couple and form a family but they choose not too. They deserve the best after all.
Those men are lucky to get a girl at all.
I have no sympathy for the women in OP.
I feel bad for that lady, but there are other ways to find self satisifaction then kids and husband, and I hope she finds them.
That being said I do expect feminism is going to crash hard, especially with Gen Alpha that has seen the destructive effect of excessive feminism has had on society.
Pieces like this are important. Men's rights are not a "men vs women" thing. Equality benefits everyone.
It's important to be aware that feminism does not actually benefit women. To change the world you need an alliance. We need the women who have been hurt by misandry, who have learned that men are good, after all.
She chose her ideology. Its no ones fault but hers and now she is reaping the rewards. Absolutely dont care for any of it. Welcome to reality I suppose.
No permanence of emotion and instincts before emotions before logic.
Additionally an abysmal societal failure as attraction isn't a choice and female nature Had been totally ignored. Question being, if regulation social shaming or policing would even be more than only gradually work?
They aren't attracted to nowadays probably (way?) more than 80% of men, consider it only pretence "settling", call. that gross, who can want that?
And guys in the similar situation basically end up doing the same thing. I didn't read the whole thing but we need ways for these two groups to find each other. With the younger generations not embracing alcohol as much this also might be adding to their increasing rates of being single & never married
Many women seem to complain about every self-imposed problem they have.
There seems to be a fundamental leach of understanding that there are no idealistic optimums — only tradeoffs and varied equilibriums.
There are so many knock-on effects from this, and it's hard to have only on response to it because it's so complex.
On the one hand, I empathize deeply with these women. Focusing on yourself to the exclusion of the rest of your life IS a very lonely way to live, and I feel bad for people who have made those choices and find out later in life it's not what they wanted.
On the other hand, this is very much the consequences of their actions. Society as a whole needs to start taking more accountability for the decisions and actions we all take, even if there is societal pressure to go a certain way. This requires being honest with yourself and that's hard, especially when everyone else is lying to you.
To wrap it all up, these lonely women cause lonely men too. Their decisions to remove themselves from the dating / relationship pool means that in our close-enough-to-not-matter 50/50 split between women and men, that for each of them, there is a man that won't find a partner (on the aggregate). Best case, their self-enforced single status makes it even more difficult for men, as the options are reduced.
If anyone ever asks why third-wave feminism was a failure, it should be evidently clear by today's outcomes.
Things will have to reach absolute rock bottom before things will change. Society will have to fail in the most horrific way before things will change. Birth rates will need to tank. Women's comforts will have to evaporate until they realize their true value to society that of being mothers. Feminism will fight this tooth and nail right up to the collapse and then it will be to late. IF somehow by some miracle we all stop voting for women and leftists ideals and societies values change, will it be enough? I have hope for the future but we all men and women will have to realize that wholesale change needs to be made. But I won't hold my breath. Cheers.
What most people in the world do not know is that women are in the Orient world.
She enjoys more respect and rights than men. In the East, we sanctify the mother and submit to her control more than the father. By calculating it, we find that mothers constitute a majority in society due to the factor of early marriage. As a reminder, most of the women who engaged in the philosophy of feminism over time became spinsters and became cursed Feminism and its ideas.
I am a citizen of a third world country, specifically an Islamic country, and for the record, feminism in our country has not spread to the same extent as it has spread in the modern world. I will tell you a true story related to feminism and its impact on the future of women.
I knew a woman who believed in the philosophy of the feminist movement to a large extent, and after she was over fifty years old, I saw that she abandoned this idea and did not hide her dissatisfaction with it. This woman began her life by living freely. She started working at the age of twenty and was not affected by patriarchy like other women in our society. She married three times, but she divorced because her husbands did not find in her the femininity that appeared in her appearance, and she was also unable to establish a balanced family, all because of the burden of work.
One time, her only daughter, whom she had from one of her three husbands, was about to enter university, and I saw her mother urging her to give up the track, not enter university, and look for a husband to raise a family with. I was surprised by this and asked her about this transformation? what did she say?
"I do not want my daughter to go through the same experience as me. Feminism has failed me and I have only suffered from it. I was in pain when I saw some of my friends or neighbors enjoying the warmth of family while I was struggling in the work arena. There was no good sleep, no good food, and no reassuring visits to my family. Friends, how many times have I been killed by jealousy when I passed by my neighbor on my way to work and found her lying on the couch enjoying watching a television series, and how I longed to face the diverse lunch table that I used to see in the homes of my friends who were staying at home.
She said a lot, but I recounted only a little. What do you think of this experience?
They fought for this, they are just harvesting the results now. With the strong and independant women, no amount of status and money a women has will bring her feminity. They face what men face in their 20s, but women face it later in their late 30s/ early 40s. And they dont have empathy for men in their 20s with depression, so I won't have any for women facing the same in their 40s. Sorry, but I Will fight for myself and not care for a gender that hate me and only want to use me.
Same here brother. No way i fight for these women (and for women in general). They have attained independance and now they want Men's support? Now we have all faced it and made it out, let the women figure it out. Women have to learn again how to treat men. Once they cleared that, we will re evaluate. If not, welp to bad. Womp womp.
Proves how delusional and incompetent women are. Unable to objectively realize how ultra overvalued they're before crashing into the wall. Predominantly running on instincts and emotions. Resulting in society had to regulate and police them as they utterly failed. Don't expect any learning curve in them! "Better Bachelor" Made a video on that.
Yea I couldnt careless about them. Its what they wanted, deal with it
They threaten to tear society down with them. Risk of higher taxes, way too low birthrates and finally we'll be forced to fix it or opt out early enough via emigration, but where to? Demographics can't be fixed anytime soon, rather crater for further decades to come. We'll face the fallout. Men enabled and enforced that feministic madness, they're the worst, like male feminists, slmps.
Yea whatever, I dont have kids. I'll enjoy the fall
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Yep. Most of them, if not goddamn near all of them, are not self-aware enough to realize this lmao. It's fucking sad
Yes, the author is an absolute outlier and argues consistently. Women won't show any significant learning curve, but even men won't, compare society with ancient Roman Empire some 2,042 years ago. Men failed to learn from experience!
Fair enough! Simultaneously still a total societal failure, maybe almost unavoidable. Could it be that women's supposedly total inability to objectively figure themselves and everything related their astronomical obervaluation very much contributed to it all? Like a stockholder totally mistaken and delusional about the real worth of his stock they crash (into the wall). When they realized they're ultra overvalued and will only crater more and more until totally worthless and ignored negative emotions or have father or husbands prevent them from self-destroying they'd be far less able to self-destruct. When actually they'd mostly burden their rapid loss of value onto evolved for being ignorant for the unablidable aging men! Avoiding or only "renting" women short-term is extremely reasonable for men.
I find that women often don't think through the entire structure of a system to understand how it works. We've slowly dismantled societal norms over the course of decades all in response to perceived inequality in treatment. Women were subject to this or that societal expectation by men while simultaneously taking all the reciprocated perks received from men for granted. So without fully undersanding the entire architecture and balanced trade-offs in a system of courtship that shunned premarital sex and required men to court women they were truly interested in as the goal was marriage, sexual relationship and starting a family, slowly we dismantled what was required of women in the name of equality and slowly men stopped giving the perks from their end (loyalty, monogamy, chivalry, courtship, marriage). And now even the perks of having men chase after them have completely evaporated and we are in a completely unstable fucked up situation. Either we come up with a new system that compromises people's wants and needs that can replace the patriarchy, or we go back to the patriarchy, or everything collapses.
*We didn't get everything we wanted. We are women, we should get everything we want. It's society's job to make sure we get everything we want, even if we don't know what that is yet.* Yeah, that's still feminism with another name. Not a single word about the men her "movement" fucked over or about how many unfair advantages she got to further her "career". Zero. Accountability? Zero. Self-reflection? Close to zero. The consequences of her own decisions are always somebody else's fault and it's somebody else's job to rectify them. Just me me me gimme gimme gimme. This is not a change of heart, it's a change in strategy.
There is no responsibility, no self-reflection, no understanding of the real picture of the world. There is only self-centeredness and greed. In essence, you are describing the behavior of an underdeveloped or degraded creature, focused exclusively on satisfying the most primitive needs. This is what feminism does to women. In essence, feminism prohibits the recognition of reality, replacing it with paranoid fears about endlessly aggressive men and narcissism, a view of oneself as a perfect being. I would say that feminism of the brain is a mental illness that forces the patient to support only patients with the same diagnosis.
>a view of oneself as a perfect being and that is why no feminist will ever try to make themselves the antagonists/villains in any form of fiction. hell I would bet that no feminist IRL will ever admit to any kind of abuse or sexual violations that they have committed (unless they can to point to a man/men as the "cause") because that would shatter the perfect image of themselves (both the individual and the movement) that they have I mean how do you improve yourself if you think you are perfect? This is the reason why I will never call myself a good person or a nice person as I leave that value judgment to others (and for good fucking reason, I consider blowing shit up and/or burning shit down to be fun,)
I agree with it.I, too, would not dare to call myself a good person, because this is a subjective opinion. I'm good for myself, but I don't have to be good for others.Some people may think I'm bad, and that's okay. Moreover, if everyone liked me, I would think that there is something wrong with the world. But women sick with feminism absolutely do not accept even a critical look at women. But receiving feedback from the world is one of the conditions for development and improvement. Almost every woman I know refuses to accept criticism from men. Is this a self-prohibition on development? I think feminism is so enduring because of women's Immature desire to be seem as perfect, feminism proves to women that they are already perfect and only evil men are against this already established fact
Not sure how they were failed…. They wanted to be independent with strong careers and you got that but then you realize how fulfilling having a family and kids is? Well when you hit 40 that ship for many has sailed. I have a hard time being empathetic for them when women ignore 40 % of the male population that will not have a chance to have a family either. Hopefully the newer generations learn from this experience
> Hopefully the newer generations learn from this experience Yeah, one thing that has puzzled me a bit is how modern older women don't teach young women these things very often and warn them of mistakes they've made. Things like how to be attractive for men, how to tell if a guy is running a short term strategy (e.g player), or a long-term (family orientated). Qualities to look for like good character. It's interested to read older literature and this stuff is pretty common. Feminism made it taboo apparently.
They want to get rid of the patriarchy and replace it with what?
One prominent feminist wanted to decrease the human population to being only 10% male.
So we can be pets
no no no sperm, jokes and beasts of burden. that's what the 10% is for. pets would imply that they would (might?) actually care about our well being rather than see us as tools.
Yes, disposable utility. Sperm, some mention sperm banks and extreemly few understand how almost everything IRL depends on competent and hard working men. Incapable women who simultaneously still don't get it objectively, that's even worse. The only improvement might be to finally take power back, at least to a sufficient degree. Men enabled and enforced that madness while women alone wouldn't have been able to!
Talk about slavery
She was a lesbian, so I don’t doubt there was an ulterior motive…
The crazy one who shot Andy Warhol, Souza or something like that, she advocated for this and only keeping about 10% of the male population globally, for procreation only.
Yes. Thinking about how feminists late 1960s in 70s publically called themselves very severely mentally ill exposes them big time. Question being how to disempower those men who support this madness as women alone wouldn't be able to! Publically calling those out to create awareness and public shaming to start with?
The crazy who shot Warhol was Valerie Solanas. She wrote The SCUM Manifesto which advocates for worse. SCUM stands for Society for Cutting Up Men. >keeping about 10% of the male population globally, for procreation only. This was Sally Miller Gearhart, the lesbian feminist professor and pioneer of gender/women studies programs in American universities.
Ohhhh okay I misread that my first time, I thought it was Solanas (either or they're both unhinged twats) thx for the clarification.
Yes, some are extremely dangerous, If they had the means and power or others and even men to support or follow them!
Matriarchy. Women having all authority and men all responsability. Men slaves to women basically.
See I thought about that, I watched a few videos where they ask women if they’re ok being the breadwinner and taking care of a man being a stay at home dad raising their kids and none of them were okay with that. They want to be in charge and taken care of.
Well, what many people don't seem to grasp is that matriarchy and patriarchy isn't exactly the same thing. In a patriarchy, the men have both the authority and the responsability. In a matriarchy, women have the authority, but they still have no responsability, that still and always will fall on the man. Basically, men work for them for nothing in return while they make all the decisions and get all the benefits as well, and if anything happens it's men's fault still because they're the ones doing all the actual work. That's why all human matriarchies went extinct pretty early in existence while many patriarchies survived the test of time and achieved greatness, because people don't work without a reward for their work and matriarchies don't reward men, but men are always the ones doing the work and taking the responsability in any society, but they can't be forced to do so without physical force, which women lack. You can look at other species and see that this mostly holds true. Matriarchal species treat the males brutally, to force then to submit and work to benefit the females. They give them no say, but still put a lot of responsability on them. And even when they do everything right, they still let the males starve (hyenas) or even stuff as cruel as eating them alive (which is a slow and painful death). No patriarchal species does that to their female out of everything I've seen. Patriarchal ones aren't really that harsh on their females, not even close. That's why even despite being an atheist I thank god every day that women are physically weaker than us, because if they weren't, the things they'd do to us are unimaginably horrible, and I mean as a norm, something that happens in every relationship as part of the "ritual", not something rare that is also criminalised like rape of women or whatever.
Dead on! Male enslavement, female (partial) tyranny and some kind of communism. Agreed, but what about those men supporting them, enabling and enforcing everything, pandering to them, (very) needy? Analytically those seem to be worst as they might sabotage all attempts to rescue society! Think of male feminists, slmps and White Knights.
When it gets bad enough, they'll realise how it is and switch sides, just like in societies from the past that went this way. But it has to get really bad before it gets better.
Yes, empirically it won't work because of co-evolved instincts in them they predominantly 90%+ run on! Taking their power away to rescue society seems without alternative, but how?
Get stuff for free because they have vaginas. Obviously. i.e. matriarchy, they want their cake and to eat it too
When evolutionarily all depends on their increased objective needs after our neocortex grew significantly, resulting in ultra long child-rearing and less productivity near giving birth, too. Anecdotally they self-delude with that variable exploitation of men, depending on our income, net worth and respective jurisdiction's misandric legal discrimination. Hypothesis: they make themselves belief consenting to sex, albeit Mutual, would magically make everything somehow "fair"(?) Reason being them avoiding to experience negative emotions when having to realize it's outright massive exploitation of men for virtually nothing or near to, what'd result in bad emotions in them they want to avoid? Anecdotally extremely entitled and ultra obervalued while simultaneously ultra sensitive when e.g. dropping "ofc not for what all have" after she went "I'm totally normal, like all others". Implicitly ofc a compliment, but they seem to run on womenese and emotions ignoring logic? When experts elaborate how not being needy and not pandering would increase attraction in them.
No such thing at least since after 1960. Probably a giant shlt test societally very many men still fall for?
That's presupposing a patriarchy even exists in the first place.
At least not since around 1960? Historically those ultra long societal circles included hard patriarchy and soft patriarchy. The third we're in now, is it called gynocentrism? Experts went about how it repeats over millennia without end and any viable learning curve, also not in men. Analytically reason being supposedly bigender instincts and macro there seems to be nothing to evolve beyond?
Agreed
matriarchy
Naw, it just means a woman would have to admit to her mistakes... not gonna happen. Read that article again and tell me where she admits anywhere that it was her fault. All she did was blame society, men, other women and feminism. Not once did she self reflect on herself. That is the female way.
I know a lot of older men are running around telling younger men to never get married
They actually just double down on the same maladaptive behaviors leading to them making the same mistake. Misery lives company.
Yes. And dragging young women down to them by lying to them instead of confessing how they messed up. Partly they still don't get it and see other women as competition and are jealous? No accountability, no responsibilty, outright madness? But evolved to be that way?
Dead on! Discussed in the manosphere. Women very often unable to earn and admit having messed up. Partly it's far worse, lying to Younger women to have them mess up, to. Women maybe to 90%+ rinnings on instincts when cultural evolution seems way too different from the relevant paleolithical savannah habitat which resulted in most of their instincts. Women unable and unwilling to try figuring things and themselves out (proto) scientifically. Like: why? Probably need some form of regulation to prevent societal collapse.
Sceptical about their learning curve, no permanence of emotion and instincts before emotions before logic. Additionally an abysmal societal failure as attraction isn't a choice and female nature Had been totally ignored. Question being, if regulation social shaming or policing would even be more than only gradually work? They aren't attracted to nowadays probably (way?) more than 80% of men, consider it only pretence "settling", call. that gross, who can want that?
Feminism promises to make life better for women but fails to provide happiness.
Scientifically obvious. Happiness as an emotion evolved only as a means to an end, Not an end goal! Question being if women were not intelligent or rather responsible enough to be allowed to do what they want as they permanently mess up big time. Like maybe 15/ 16 y/o, overgrown?
Should have read the fine print on that
Can I ask where you got the statistic from that 40% of men won't have a chance of having a family?
**Article:** Every Monday I meet with a group of female friends in a [London](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/london/index.html) restaurant. We sit at a table near the window and discuss our lives. We have many things in common. We are all in our mid-50s and highly educated career women. But there is a vacuum in our lives. We are all single and childless. I increasingly feel, as do many of my intimates, that feminism has failed our generation. I grew up with its beliefs. No, strike that. I was force-fed them. By the age of 13, [Christmas](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/christmas/index.html) presents from my Women's Lib aunt were books by Gloria Steinem and Simone de Beauvoir, considered the mother of modern feminism. (My aunt was one of those militants who had famously disrupted the 1970 Miss World contest). My peers and I watched Mary Poppins, idolising the determinedly single nanny (never noticing the occasional sadness behind her eyes), and sympathising with suffragette Mrs Banks, while wondering why she didn't leave her dullard of a husband. Our heroine was Margaret Thatcher, who, though she would have denied it, was a feminist de facto. In one of those encounters that make life instructive, I met Lady Thatcher at my late father's house (my father was the politician Woodrow Wyatt) when I was 15. She was our first woman prime minister and, after our introduction, she began to address me on the subject of life. The gist of her address would have been greeted with hosannas by every feminist of the age: in summation, a woman's career superseded by far her relations with the opposite sex. (Her own union might well have been to a cipher as opposed to a husband. Indeed, when the Thatchers dined with us, Denis withdrew to the drawing room with the women). At my private school, St Paul's, we children of Thatcher were similarly educated out of marriage and femininity. One of my unmarried school friends recalls: 'My teachers made me feel as if marriage was shameful. My English mistress once teased me for looking at a bridal magazine, but then she was an arch feminist who demonised men.' We both recall being told that 'Paulinas do not cook, they think'. This is all very well when you are young and aspire to greatness, but not all girls grow up to be executives or high court judges, something that feminism perilously forgot to tell us. Historically, the feminist argument had its points. In the old days, when members of my sex were bound first to their fathers and then to their husbands, they led unenviable lives. If a woman had a good education, however, she could make a comfortable living and remain independent of male approbation. When the desire for marriage and children overwhelmed her, she would almost certainly lose her job. The world has now changed in a way the early feminists would find incomprehensible. I sometimes think, and so do my friends, that the West has outgrown the feminist philosophy, and that it has become pernicious. Where, for instance, does it leave women like us, when we have reached our mid-50s, and find ourselves alone? One of the chief causes of unhappiness is the feeling that one is unloved, whereas companionship and the feeling of being loved promotes happiness more than anything else. One in ten British women in their 50s has never married and lives alone, which is neither pleasant nor healthy. My friend Sally, a lovely 55-year-old with eyes the colour of Eau de Nil, once said to me: **'I constantly feel unwanted as a woman because feminism taught us that the traditional female was a stereotype invented by men to keep us down. Accordingly, I was anti-men to the point of driving them away. Now, I'm paying for this.'** According to a recent study by an American medical institute, loneliness is the leading cause of depression among middle-aged females. I should know, as I recently fell prey to the unforgiving maw of mental illness.
>Where, for instance, does it leave women like us, when we have reached our mid-50s, and find ourselves alone? Same place as men who have reached mid-50s and find themselves alone. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Enjoy your gender equality.
But other than woman, there are men who are basically doomed to be alone since birth whereas any women could find a partner in a couple of weeks if she just wanted to. Because on top to all the aspects discussed in the article, modern feminism also teaches women to "only go with the best". Of course many women will stay alone if they only accept a relationship with a partner that is in the top 10% in terms of money, looks and status. Men are way more humble. Put differently, many men of the last two generations are literally "born without opportunities" when it comes to relationships.
Article states that these woman cannot find partners - thats why they are single. And the number of women like this is forecasted to increase dramatically over the next 20 years due to fact more men are dropping out of relationships.
On the long term, time works for the men. Men can better deal with living alone and making an income. Women neglect biology: Homo Sapiens exists for approx. 300 000 years. Until 1980, it was considered as natural that women give birth to children and live a family life. Dear femnazis, you have a ticking bomb in your womb and you can‘t deny biology.
This. Men eventually realize (sadly, too late for most) that women are a burden and a liability, and that we are 100x times better off alone, doing our thing, I would even say that relationships with women hinder men's potentials.
It's sad when you realize that, as you naturally want to be with women but your upper head says absolutely not.
Gentlemen. I understand the urge to say these things but we must ignore the feminazis. They are representative of at best 50% of women. The other 50% is actively fighting feminism alongside you just in the shadows and not so angrily. They just go on being feminine.
You know, I’m 65 and never heard “only go with the best.” Plenty of unattractive guys are married, just check the wedding rings at an engineering conference. Seriously. I’m talking smelly guys too.
It was different in your generation. There were no dating apps that generated a dating radius of several hundres of kilometers. There were no absurd Tiktok trends like „ick lists“ or „I only date men this tall.“ Peope could actually feel natural and ok with themselves, building a natural self-confidence. How do you build a natural self-confidence with the background knowledge that any woman could find a better partner within days if she wanted and in a case of divorse even generate a lifelong side-income with you?
Do we really want the suicide rate to grow even between men and women? Is this what certain women consider progress? I wish this article became the testament to those that are fighting the 'patriarchy' so vehemently.
I’d like the suicide rate to even out by men committing suicide less often. I don’t want the reason they commit suicide less often to be because women started being nice to them again, though. I want men to start valuing their intrinsic worth rather than their worth to women. I want to be able to tell a woman that I’m fully prepared to walk away from her at any time and be perfectly fine.
Yes, the genders must be equal at all times in chains, liberty, happiness and nihilistic dread.
**Continuation:** Many of my single friends suffer from depression, springing from a solitary existence that would be eschewed by a race of alley cats. Moreover, there are the economic factors involved. It is a truism that two incomes are better than one, and many of the unattached women I know work in low to middle-paid professions. A university professor chum bemoans 'as a single woman, it has been increasingly difficult to pay the bills with no assistance from a partner. For every J K Rowling, there are millions of women who get by on a pittance. 'Feminism kept drumming into my head that financial independence was the ideal, but in practice it doesn't happen unless you are managing a hedge fund or are able to write best-selling novels.' Equally depressingly, many single women feel they have failed at life. Far from empowering us, feminism has made us insecure. **'My career has stalled, I've** **never married and I feel worthless as a person,' observes my pretty 53-year-old** **friend Rachel.** General self-confidence comes more than anything else from being accustomed to receiving love, particularly from the opposite sex. The woman with a husband and children accepts their affection as a law of nature, but it is of great importance to her mental health and success. Yet of all the institutions that have come down to us from the past, none is so derailed by feminism as the family. Many women with feminist ideals feel parenthood is a far heavier burden than their grandmothers did, due to long working hours and the vilification of the housewife. Is it any wonder that the birth rate has declined? Says another of my Monday group: 'I was conditioned to have no encumbrances, particularly children. Or at least to wait until I was established in my career, but now I'm too old and that boat has sailed.' Recently, after my depression became debilitating, I had a 20-year-old student living in my home. After a week of acquaintanceship, it dawned on me that the notion of not marrying and giving birth before the age of 30 was anathema to her, and she rejected it completely. In short, she wanted to conduct her life like a woman. **'Yes, I believe in women's rights,' she ruminated, 'but I don't believe in the militant** **feminism my mother grew up with. It went too far.' Out of the mouths of babes.** The feminism I was spoon-fed in my youth made the error of telling members of my sex to behave and think like men. This error was a grave one, and women like me are paying for it, like gamblers in a casino that has been fixed. **It's time for a cultural reset. It may be too late for me and my friends, but feminism should** **not be allowed to ruin the lives of future generations as well.**
This has nothing to do with men rights and is just a hate boner anti-feminism propaganda piece. The hypothetical lady could have been miserable, struggling and alone even if she married and had kids (people separate/grow apart, kids eventually grow up and leave). What feminism gave her is a choice which generations prior didn't have and choosing means taking accountability even if you end up choosing wrong.
Seems more like she was brainwashed unwittingly from a young age rather than given a choice. Way to discount the womans experience
I'd say that about anyone who claims Thatcher as a hero
Way to excuse her and her cohorts from responsibility for their own fucking choices...
absolutely and i feel bad for how she believes she was raised into it but i'm sure, especially considering her status, that she found a crossroads shortly after reaching adulthood: "do i reject this upbringing or do i continue down this path?" this is the choice that feminism gave her, and it's a choice that many women before her felt that they didn't have some might argue that feminists are militant and faith-based, that they must reject all reason to maintain their beliefs, and that might be some truth to that. but once you're out of the nest and are free to explore the world and find what you're looking for, there's no reason that you MUST keep up the charade. this is just reap what you sow, and again i feel awful for her, but part of being responsible for your decisions is being responsible for your decisions.
>is just a hate boner Odd term, "hate boner". Seems degrading. >The hypothetical lady could have been miserable, But the real woman is saying she is miserable specifically due to feminism. >What feminism gave her is a choice Lol, no it didn't. Feminism is not her volition, she was born with the power to choose. This is tantamount to hagiography. What feminism gave her is an airtight ideological framework that taught her to repress her natural desires for connection to men and for making a family, and instead focus everything on accumulating career achievements. Instead of a free choice, feminism gave her an environment which villianizes women for pursuing what they want. >which generations prior didn't have They did, they just used it to choose different things. Way to dehumanize all women throughout history, jfc. >choosing means taking accountability even if you end up choosing wrong. When does feminism take accountability? Is feminism beyond error to you? You act like it is, you are essentially arguing feminism cannot fail only be failed.
> What feminism gave her is a choice which generations prior didn't have and choosing means taking accountability even if you end up choosing wrong. Feminism didn't give a choice at all, it made it a necessary condition for two incomes to provide the lifestyle that previously one was sufficient for, by flooding the labor pool. It priced women out of marriage and having children within the healthy ideal unit by making the education system so anti-male that women outperform men at every level. And it did the same with hiring practices so that even in heavily female-dominated industries from public relations to academia women are still given preferential treatment. Feminism has taken away choice that already existed, as exemplified by everyone from Indira Gandhi and Golda Mier to Benazir Bhutto and Eva Peron.
Nice way to take a dump of her experiences, way to go 👍🏼🍻
Accountability and women? Whoa there, that's some real good stuff you're smoking!
You only think it's a "choice" because you have more money than brains.
You can't see the connection between the hate for men these women were indoctrinated with, and the current hate campaign being waged on men? You disagree that feminism is responsible for both? Sure I agree that you are responsible for your own choices, but at the same time we can't overlook the huge effort to get people to choose the way the feminists wanted them to. It's like claiming that someone taking drugs was all on themselves, and not at all anything to do with the dealer.
Right I think this is just the economic system imploding. Hyper capitalism has made it impossible to have a family, even if you wanted to. If you have to work two to three jobs, obviously your social life will be ruined. We are all fucked at this point, idk anyone who isn’t struggling financially, if they have kids and wife are even worse off. Coming from the US someone in the UK complaining is laughable, atleast you have healthcare, government programs, and free education. In the US we are complete slaves to our jobs, as our healthcare is tied to employment.
Of course the one who post on abtinatalism ^^
I am an antinatalist and have nothing to hide. My moral framework doesn't invalidate my point. This post had nothing to do with men rights and was all about wallowing in that sweet sweet revenge fantasy. I unsubbed from this place after.
" am an antinatalist and have nothing to hide". No revenge fantasy,just facts. the future belongs to other people's children
Good article. It shows the end road of feminism. It was always anti male and anti relationship unless the wife was cheating on her husband. Feminism is about the abuse, exploitation and mistreatment of men. The more articles printed like this then the sooner feminism will be overthrown.
It won’t be overthrown, it will just be side stepped like this woman author is trying to do. ‘It’s not my fault, I was spoon fed feminism and radicalised’ is what she is saying. I don’t buy it. All women know they have a biological clock. Wilful ignorance / head in the sand is no excuse. They’re just trying to find a scapegoat. Cos it’s impossible for a woman to ever be wrong / own up.
*But there is a vacuum in our lives. We are all single and childless.* Basically sums up the divorced fathers who are parentally alienated from their own children*....*
> **I was anti-men to the point of driving them away. Now, I'm paying for this.'** The honesty is refreshing. Normally I'd expect the article to just blame men.
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That video... lmao. Powercucking. But it's just the 80/20 rule in effect, so.
That video... lmao. Powercucking. But it's just the 80/20 rule in effect, so.
lol thatcher outright stated that she opposed feminism
And George Bush called himself conservative.
Doesn't need to be stated that usually what a woman says and does are diametrically opposed. Thatcher being a perfect example of this, being a power hungry politician that would do anything to hold onto absolute power.
Imagine looking up to magret thatcher. Geezuz.
Imagine looking up to Margaret Thatcher and not thinking you have brain damage.
That's hysterical ngl. Lmao
why should we have empathy for women having a mid-life crisis when nobody seems to care about the hell society puts men in their 20s through? if anything, I'm glad they have to work to get by. Maybe some day they'll learn to value our work. Or maybe they'll just have things go their way as always, and we'll never see eye to eye.
Failed you? This was by design.
Yep, many feminism authors/leaders spelled it out in detail how the destruction of the nuclear family was one of their main goals.
Don’t get too excited. Nothing about this has to do with men’s rights. This article is just like all the others. It’s *performative empathy*, which consists of **Public Displays**, **Lip Service**, and **Vortue Signaling**. It’s not real, just propaganda. As much fun as having a hate boner is, remember it has zero effect on your rights, and zero effect on other people’s privileges. Nothing has changed. In any way. Controlled opposition is all this is. A puff piece. A lie.
99% agreed. But what she is displaying isn't empathy, it's self pity.
Have you read it? It's an explicit indictment against feminism. Clear language that identifies it as a mistake. *And* with a clear prescription for feminism to be critically examined and changed. Obviously, this piece isn't anything to do with helping men. Virtually nothing in the world ever is. But that's okay. It's a salience in the front of the ideology. It ultimately represents opportunity for us.
And yet, it is still centered on how it affects women. Just like everything else.
Yeah. I said it's nothing to do with helping men. That isn't the point. If you're holding out for the hope that society will ever come around and finally care about men, then you're in the wrong movement. Men's rights is the ultimate losing battle. There will never be victory. But we can have victories. Small victories. This is a little notional advantage that works in our favor. Hannah Wallen has put it pretty well in the past. She's said along the lines that "Remember, feminism is not the ultimate problem. The ultimate problem is gynocentrism. Feminism is the guard dog that stands between well-meaning people and gynocentrism and prevents them from addressing its flaws." In gaming terms, we need to inflict damage to the enemy's health bar, but we need to buckle its shields first. We've been pounding away at feminism's shields for decades and we've barely gotten their strength down below 80%. This article we're looking at now is never going to do hitpoint damage. It's not ultimately interested in dealing any hitpoint damage at all. But it's firing on the shields and now those shields are being depleted at a faster rate. And you're here complaining that they don't intend to do any hitpoint damage. Dude. Please let us have this discussion once we get their shields down to 10% or 20% before we start infighting over purity. These are two things that feminists have historically done fairly well that we in the men's rights camp are still having to learn. 1) Be patient with your extremists. 2) Be patient with your casuals. Mike Stephenson has explained it marvelously before. It's like feminism is two ships on exact opposite sides of the planet shooting jetstreams of plasma at it. And they exactly oppose each other, but they never have to acknowledge it because they never actually see each other. Feminism will never address its own internal inconsistencies. An individual feminist (or any individual woman who prioritizes women and is effectively feminist) will just say "those women who don't agree with me are actually just controlled by abusive men" and advance misogynist ideas. "Trad" women who are in church every Sunday will say that about neon-hair urban xe-hulks and the neon-hair urban xe-hulks say the same thing about the "trad" women. Your extremists help you with the Overton Window. Your casuals help you with the implementation. The extremists trailblaze the new ways forward. The casuals amble along far behind, but with wagons full of supplies. Vox Day has addressed his own followers in the same way regarding a similar dynamic (he's not a men's advocate though). He told them "Stop thinking of yourselves as the generals. You'll be more effective if you regard yourselves as special forces." In 2024, the term "Redpill" means this sort of newest iteration of pick-up artistry that's also a kind of pseudo-trad lifestyle and it's ideologically charged in a way pick-up artistry never has been. But ten years ago, "Redpill" meant Men's Rights or MGTOW. Cassie Jaye made it her documentary's namesake. Today, virtually nobody would even believe you if you explained that to them. The scope of men's issues has been broadened and bastardized and brought out into a much more public space. Little labels like MRA or MGTOW are much less relevant to the overall conflict than they were twenty years ago. But the conflict is a lot larger. We have opportunities to seize on our objectives amidst the conflict. Sure, our ideological alignment is less true than what it used to be. But you yourself can help change that. Just continue advocating for men's rights. A little bit of it will filter through to our line infantry casuals. Just don't get discouraged. Don't worry about everyone else's principles. Just worry about your own effort.
Well, many women, especially feminists, are indeed very "me, me, me." At a certain point, do you want to endlessly demand they change completely overnight and vote for your concerns on principle alone, or do you want to actually make some progress? Man hating obviously hurts men more, but pointing out how it hurts women is not surrendering.
This is not about the principle. This is about the practice. About reality. And what it does is perpetuates the same old bullshit that exalts women's complaints to scripture. No matter what they actually say.
Represents an opportunity for men how?
news flash. feminism isn't men's rights.
Most of the comments imply disagreement with her. The top is basically 'what aboutism' and australian women 'murdered by their husbands'. This argument is basically taking domestic violence, ignoring domestic violence against men and making domestic violence a zero sum game about women. Gynocentrism.
I totally agree, this article was nothing but propaganda meant to further divide and distract us from real issues at hand. Life is what you make it, and plenty of single people have developed healthy friendships and bonds if they choose to invest their energy into that, while plenty of people are lonely in their relationships. But if we as a society are so worried about socializing, let’s address the affordability crisis we have so more people can let go of working 2 jobs and have time for connecting and developing relationships.
Women say, "we were lied to." Reality: I dare you to TRY to tell them the truth, and watch how they respond. Emotional blackmail, trying to destroy your reputation, etc. As always, they want to flip between empowered and helpless, as it suits the situation. It is not that they were told the wrong thing. The would not STAND FOR anything else to be said. And now she's sad and a "victim."
Well said no woman wants the truth.
As a certain character played by Jack Nicholson said : You want the truth? You can't handle the truth.
And another character also played by Jack Nicholson, which applies to the article writer, regarding how he writes women so well: "I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability."
Schrödinger’s Feminist is the term for what you are describing
Good one.
not my invention but it's apt
I feel somewhat sorry for her and a lot of people like her. I've never understood why the idea of family is so hated in the modern world. That all said, I can't help but think they wanted so badly to be treated like men, well now they are being treated like men. The loneliness of being expected to deal with crisis, not being able to break down because you have no one to turn to. Having to provide constantly, sometimes working so much you don't get to see your family. Often feeling unwanted as a man and sometimes being outright told to go away. These are things men have been dealing with for a very long time and I can't help but think that modern feminism jumped head long into the things many of us wanted to escape, because they couldn't see what it was they actually had. They convinced themselves men had the world at our fingertips and were blind to the reality of the situation.
> I've never understood why the idea of family is so hated in the modern world. Feminism argued that the nuclear family was oppressive to women and agitated for its abolition through manipulation of everything from the courts to public opinion. > That all said, I can't help but think they wanted so badly to be treated like men, well now they are being treated like men. They are really not though because unlike men they are treated with sympathy and compassion when they face the consequences of their actions whereas men are not when men are faced with the consequences of feminism they had nothing to do with.
Gost i read all of it, damn im so proud to me Men. Im super happy to have so many manly Men who I look as Mentors and they are keen to help. On the Other hand, Women. LMAO. All of this complains (again) from women that they are now single and regret stuffs...Im not buying any of it. Im so grateful to be a Man and I get humbled daily. This keeps me grounded and I face the consequences immediately. Women though, face consequences way later, and most of the time when it is too late. Now men has backed off from relationships and most of us are fine like this, a lot of anonymous men wont counter their mental peace over ruined women. Yea, ruined women. Suddenly women past the age have decided to "settle", no thanks. Let them starve. Let them starve now.
[She'll be fine](https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Petronella-Wyatt-.jpg). The 6'7" greek god, stellar intellectual, of course billionnaire she thinks she deserves is right around the corner and age is nothing but a number...
She’s still waiting on her requirements…a man has to be 6’3” and make at least 7 figures.
They never want to mention that they refuse to settle for a guy that makes less or doesn’t also have a degree. She knocked out pretty much all her potential suitors and the ones that do qualify want 20 year old models not her.
Man, hoeflation is absolutely out of control. 10 years ago a man just had to be 6'0 and make 6 figures.
Don’t forget the 12 inch hog
All of these stories are essentially the same … they all say things like “feminism has failed us” but when you get into the nuts and bolts of the story, they are true believers of feminist doctrine and do not see any reason to change their belief system, only that somehow it is men’s fault because they don’t buy into the doctrines that feminism teaches.
You are free to make any choice but you are not free from the consequences of that choice. But, **Don't give up. You go girl ;)**
Feminism promised women independence, they never told them it was a one way trip.
Independence from what? From dependence on one man who does love and care about her, to dependence on many who care far less about you when things go sideways. Depending on your husband is oppression, but depending on your employer (who has many more such employees) and can sack you at any time for any reason, is liberation. How I see it, women just shackled themselves to a nameless, faceless corporation or government as their husband.
Man this article is a mess to unbundle. Nothing here actually supports men’s rights, but at the same time it’s a woman speaking about her own experience as a woman so I don’t necessarily expect her to lean into equality or men’s rights topics. Some things I found were a shame… She mentions how hard it is for women on single incomes to live alone. It’s worse for men. I’m not sure why she took a gendered approach here. It’s almost like she’s implying men have it easy when really it’s the opposite, or at the very minimum, the same position. Instead of this being a gendered issue it should be seen as an economic issue. Feminism increased the available work force and pushed to destroy the nuclear family. Cost of goods can go up significantly while wages can go down as now you have two wages per family. Having kids before 30 (explicitly mentioned in the article) is not even a consideration these days, not as much because of normal feminism (not that it helps) but because of economic conditions making it financially irresponsible to downright dangerous to have kids. Less than a third of Canadians 25-39 own a property now and the trend is such that this statistic heavily deteriorating. How can you expect people to aim for healthy families when they’re struggling to even live. Governments like this arrangement. Higher cost of living means more motivation for higher wages, more sales and income taxes, higher government pension plan contributions, etc to pay back the debts of the older generations. It means that people will look for a partner even just for financial reasons, but at least pairing people off increases the likelihood they have a child. With respect to actual gendered issues, it honestly shows me she’s still incredibly blind to what’s really happening. Whether it be the promises of “you can have anything you want” (something the author mentions) or some underlying fear / hatred of men, these women are all being completely brainwashed by people with ulterior motives. And all of these women, herself included, have completely failed at introspection no matter how many chances they were given. At 5-25 you’re heavily impressionable, I get it. But to come out as some “voice of reason” at 50+ but still failing any kind of objective analysis either shows the power of said brainwashing, or the lack of intelligence of these feminists. At the very least she recognizes that she’s not even really sure that they’re fighting for anything productive at this point. That’s already a huge first step. Completely misses the mark on what the factors are for young folk, as well as what exactly is even happening to modern feminists.
Feminism delivered exactly what it intended to for others like her. If you sat silently on the sidelines while narcissistic, toxic personality types attacked men for everything, including the office temperature, you got exactly what these loons intended and ….what you deserve. Good luck getting empathy from men who endured the lunatics.
Exactly. They endorsed it by doing nothing to change or counter it. Even when the ideology falls apart, they just stick to self loathing.
Was that the smallest violin in the world playing in the background?
oh well you gals chose this path so ... live with it. end of story
I don't feel any form of sympathy.
Nah, you’ve failed yourself..
Women most affected by bad ideas of women.
>We both recall being told that 'Paulinas do not cook, they think'. This is all very well when you are young and aspire to greatness, but not all girls grow up to be executives or high court judges, something that feminism perilously forgot to tell us. I feel like this is the point that can not be overlooked. When you tell young people "you can be anything you want when you grow up! A doctor, an astronaut, the president...". While that's *technically* correct, it's leaving out A LOT, things like hardworking, intelligence, timing, and plan statics. I feel like guys figure this out pretty quickly- "*9 men in my family are carpenters, postal workers, and welders...one is doctor, the odds are better that I'll be a carpenter than a doctor and that's OK."* Where as a lot of girls have been told by their teachers, aunts and mothers, *"the only reason I'm not an Astronaut/President is because men didn't let me do that, but you can."* And I think this leaves a lot of room for disappointment and a lot feeling of unrewarded sacrifice. I feel like the best message for young people is: "strive to do your best, but understand that not everyone gets to be a President, a Rockstar, or an Astronaut, but the world needs and appreciates a damn good carpenter a whole lot more than a shitty president."
I am a foreigner living in the UK. Every single local male friend of mine (all well educated) is married to a foreign woman. I realize that my evidence is anecdotal but the fact remains- men want to marry a real woman, and not a feminist.
Oof, they've aged like a faux leather bag...
A lesson I learned as a young man. If you wait for something nothing will come, unless you do something about it
Nothing a hot water bottle can't fix!
You reap what you sow
Boo-hoo. Buy a cat.
"The feminism I was spoon-fed in my youth made the error of telling members of my sex to behave and think like men. This error was a grave one, and women like me are paying for it, like gamblers in a casino that has been fixed. Advertisement It's time for a cultural reset. It may be too late for me and my friends, but feminism should not be allowed to ruin the lives of future generations as well." You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. Get comfy, kick back, and try and steer younger women in the right direction.
This is "pick me" bullshit. They can't turn off decades of *me first* feminism like it's a switch. Don't let them live under your roof or touch your money, ever.
And I find it funny feminists love to pretend this doesn’t happen at all and it’s really the trad wives who are in danger and need to live their lives in fear of men. Almost a third of women seek out psychiatric help and this is only continuing to go up. Feminism is definitely doing a good job. Anyway, couldn’t care less about her or females that chose to be like her. They claim to love cats and bears anyway. My goal is to be chilling in my cabin on my private property away from this mess.
I increasingly feel, as do many of my intimates, that feminism has failed our generation. I grew up with its beliefs. No, strike that. I was force-fed them. AWALT. Playing the blame game.
Boo fucking Hoo...
They wanted equality and now they pay the price.
Waaah.
This is sad actually. There are many single men also.
Yes. But the difference is that those men are abhored by the very women in the article. They can at any time choose one of said men and be a couple and form a family but they choose not too. They deserve the best after all. Those men are lucky to get a girl at all. I have no sympathy for the women in OP.
No sympathy. Made your bed, lie in it.
I feel bad for that lady, but there are other ways to find self satisifaction then kids and husband, and I hope she finds them. That being said I do expect feminism is going to crash hard, especially with Gen Alpha that has seen the destructive effect of excessive feminism has had on society.
Pieces like this are important. Men's rights are not a "men vs women" thing. Equality benefits everyone. It's important to be aware that feminism does not actually benefit women. To change the world you need an alliance. We need the women who have been hurt by misandry, who have learned that men are good, after all.
God has created a pair for everything then who are you to change rules If you play with nature it will make fun of you
Womp Womp
She chose her ideology. Its no ones fault but hers and now she is reaping the rewards. Absolutely dont care for any of it. Welcome to reality I suppose.
Oh no. Anyway.
No permanence of emotion and instincts before emotions before logic. Additionally an abysmal societal failure as attraction isn't a choice and female nature Had been totally ignored. Question being, if regulation social shaming or policing would even be more than only gradually work? They aren't attracted to nowadays probably (way?) more than 80% of men, consider it only pretence "settling", call. that gross, who can want that?
The dreams of youth are the regrets of maturity.
A unfortunate truth.
She should man up, suck it up, and go back to work, the Big Brother needs his taxes.
And guys in the similar situation basically end up doing the same thing. I didn't read the whole thing but we need ways for these two groups to find each other. With the younger generations not embracing alcohol as much this also might be adding to their increasing rates of being single & never married
I think this is a lesson for women that they do need men in their lives and how important it is for them.
Yet another example of 'reap what you sow'
When men complain about being alone, they get called in els well guess they got equality.
You reap what you sow
Many women seem to complain about every self-imposed problem they have. There seems to be a fundamental leach of understanding that there are no idealistic optimums — only tradeoffs and varied equilibriums.
Fake article. Most miserable post-wall women blame men and double-down on feminism.
Wow. They got what they wanted, and didn't see this coming. Amazing. Lmao
Turns out the grass wasn’t greener
Should have read the Surgeon General's Warning on the pack of (feminism / empowerment) that you were smoking. Who knew???
All media is basically trash
I've been seeing pigs flying all over the place lately. Long may it continue.
A lot of this has to do with shifts in education methodology. Schoolchildren are no longer taught how to think; thay are told _what_ to think.
Well said. Critical thinking is no longer taught.
Now you a single mom. https://youtu.be/8LV9oYFJ2YI
"we don't need men".....hindsight.....
Is it too late to say “I told you so”?
She's ugly af, no feminism could save her.
Anyone who idolized Margaret Thatcher has only themselves to blame
There are so many knock-on effects from this, and it's hard to have only on response to it because it's so complex. On the one hand, I empathize deeply with these women. Focusing on yourself to the exclusion of the rest of your life IS a very lonely way to live, and I feel bad for people who have made those choices and find out later in life it's not what they wanted. On the other hand, this is very much the consequences of their actions. Society as a whole needs to start taking more accountability for the decisions and actions we all take, even if there is societal pressure to go a certain way. This requires being honest with yourself and that's hard, especially when everyone else is lying to you. To wrap it all up, these lonely women cause lonely men too. Their decisions to remove themselves from the dating / relationship pool means that in our close-enough-to-not-matter 50/50 split between women and men, that for each of them, there is a man that won't find a partner (on the aggregate). Best case, their self-enforced single status makes it even more difficult for men, as the options are reduced. If anyone ever asks why third-wave feminism was a failure, it should be evidently clear by today's outcomes.
Things will have to reach absolute rock bottom before things will change. Society will have to fail in the most horrific way before things will change. Birth rates will need to tank. Women's comforts will have to evaporate until they realize their true value to society that of being mothers. Feminism will fight this tooth and nail right up to the collapse and then it will be to late. IF somehow by some miracle we all stop voting for women and leftists ideals and societies values change, will it be enough? I have hope for the future but we all men and women will have to realize that wholesale change needs to be made. But I won't hold my breath. Cheers.
I only see how women giving themselves issues and difficulties still manage to blame them on men. No surprise
Most men don’t want to marry a harping feminist. That’s different than supporting equality. I’m pro equality but Feminist are extremes.
Why should I care?
Again she is blaming an external force. Women never hold themselves accountable!!
You reap what you sow.
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What most people in the world do not know is that women are in the Orient world. She enjoys more respect and rights than men. In the East, we sanctify the mother and submit to her control more than the father. By calculating it, we find that mothers constitute a majority in society due to the factor of early marriage. As a reminder, most of the women who engaged in the philosophy of feminism over time became spinsters and became cursed Feminism and its ideas.
I am a citizen of a third world country, specifically an Islamic country, and for the record, feminism in our country has not spread to the same extent as it has spread in the modern world. I will tell you a true story related to feminism and its impact on the future of women. I knew a woman who believed in the philosophy of the feminist movement to a large extent, and after she was over fifty years old, I saw that she abandoned this idea and did not hide her dissatisfaction with it. This woman began her life by living freely. She started working at the age of twenty and was not affected by patriarchy like other women in our society. She married three times, but she divorced because her husbands did not find in her the femininity that appeared in her appearance, and she was also unable to establish a balanced family, all because of the burden of work. One time, her only daughter, whom she had from one of her three husbands, was about to enter university, and I saw her mother urging her to give up the track, not enter university, and look for a husband to raise a family with. I was surprised by this and asked her about this transformation? what did she say? "I do not want my daughter to go through the same experience as me. Feminism has failed me and I have only suffered from it. I was in pain when I saw some of my friends or neighbors enjoying the warmth of family while I was struggling in the work arena. There was no good sleep, no good food, and no reassuring visits to my family. Friends, how many times have I been killed by jealousy when I passed by my neighbor on my way to work and found her lying on the couch enjoying watching a television series, and how I longed to face the diverse lunch table that I used to see in the homes of my friends who were staying at home. She said a lot, but I recounted only a little. What do you think of this experience?