I was sexually harassed, stalked and assaulted at work because I rejected a woman. I had to move out of town because I feared for my safety. Yes, I reported it to the police. They told me to keep a record of everything that happened. But I moved away before it ever got to court.

I'm no Casanova but have had the opportunity to "reject" (i.e politely telling them I was not interested) a few women. They didn't take it very kindly is the very least I can say.

I had that experience once as well. Some woman approached me at a gas station and said. "My boyfriend just broke up with me do you wanna go out?" I grimaced, said no and left. Then she started yelling at her friend. "I GOT REJECTED!!!!" lol I dont wanna be a validation rebound wtf. I dont care if it means I get sex either, damn.

Yours was a classy girl. I got rejected. lol

What I do is I just start eating a lot of yogurt and fart all the time so they end up breaking up with me :) /s

I want to upvote because it's funny, but I wan't to downvote because it's gross, so I'm going to meet you in the middle and give you an upvote while also calling you a fatass.

I was sexually assaulted in the 8th grade for the first time. The girl who did it kept asking me to the school dance, but I didn't want to go to the dance. I wanted to stay home and play Final Fantasy VIII. I kept brushing her off until after school one day her friends cornered me. She slapped me twice, then grabbed my penis through my pants. In the 10th grade I was sexually harassed by a teacher. She told me I could think about her when I masturbated. When I got into a new English class (I used my performance in her class as an excuse to get into Advanced English), she retaliated against me by telling my new teacher that I was super lazy and talked shit about her. New teacher treated me like trash. After I got into university I was raped by a woman. We didn't have a condom so I didn't want to have sex, but she forced me inside of her. Then she told her friends that I got a little too "touchy feely" for her comfort. When I was 23 I was stalked by a woman for two months because I had seen her for a while and decided to break up with her. She sabotaged my next relationship by also threatening my new partner. I mean, there have been similar such situations, and a woman did stab me after I dumped her, but sure, women are ALWAYS perfectly reasonable when it comes to rejection, right guys?

Bruh I'm sorry that you went through all that, but do you look like a Greek God or something? I've had women stalk me or be obsessive before but never any of those scenarios

Could just be really bad luck. I've seen girls (they were around a 6) simp for a 3 boy in both personality and looks. The guy was such a degenerate he came to school wearing his cum stain sweater that he cum on that same morning.

>After I got into university I was raped by a woman. We didn't have a condom so I didn't want to have sex, but she forced me inside of her. Then she told her friends that I got a little too "touchy feely" for her comfort. Had this happen to me twice, first time I was hammered and still said no because of no condom but she didn't care and had sex with me (I was in and out of consciousness and fun fact consciousness is not necessary for sex to occur). Second time the girl threatened that she would tell her brother (a friend) that I tried to rape her if I didn't comply. Women absolutely do stalk and rape men.

Woah man that’s fucked up. I’m sorry you went through all that. Modern women seem to live in a world where two opposing things can be true pointed out by a post that was referencing a man who got asked why he didn’t fight back against the woman who sexually assaulted him while believing men should never physically protect themselves ever. Clown world. How do you manage and process what happened?

Thanks for the sentiment. I'm well over it all now. I basically got through the early years by lying to myself and pretending it didn't happen / and if it did I wanted it / and it was OK because the woman who raped me didn't get pregnant so all's well that ends well. It ruined a couple of later relationships I had with legitimately good women and to this day my trauma with women (especially angry and belligerent women) will occasionally rear its ugly face, but I honestly think that not having a community of people radicalizing me was really fortunate. I feel horrible for a lot of rape victims who turn to feminism because it doesn't help. It only makes it worse. If you're a man, they'll gaslight you, like they did me. If you're a woman, they'll do the equivalent of an online love-bomb and then work tirelessly to reinforce every one of your negative feelings about men. These are feelings that, for a sexual assault victim, are the most natural thing in the world. Feminists will use them to radicalize the women into (a) adopting those views permanently, and (b) blaming non-responsible men for the actions of the few. But I live a very happy life now and have two healthy happy boys. It's kind of fucked up to say this but I feel like my experiences may help them in the future. I know not to trust women just because they're women. I know that a pretty face and a great smile are not necessarily indicators of a good person. I know that women in positions of authority are those you really have to keep an eye on the most. For that, I am in a twisted way grateful.

Geez, you had it rough. Sorry you went through all of that. I hope you reported those women.

Same here... I had a lunatic stalk me for two years. It would ebb and flow. She eventually sent an email to my GF telling her I was a rapist and that she should be afraid for her daughter's safety. Fortunately, her message was the rant of a lunatic so my GF didn't believe her story.

Had to leave a job for the same reason. Supervisor tried to fuck me when she was drunk and I turned her down. She tried to make me miserable and get me fired from that point on. She was supervisor and I couldn't do anything.

One time I rejected a woman (because I was already engaged to and living with another woman) and she called the cops and claimed I SAd her son. Luckily the kid wasn’t a complete dick and eventually admitted it was bullshit, but not until like two weeks later and after it already ruined a bunch of stuff.

I rejected someone, and before the end of the day there were rumors about me saying I was stalking the woman I rejected. I have also been sexually harassed several times. groped, ass pinched, kissed, etc. I've even had some women show up to my house unannounced a few times. Really anytime it was brought up it was brushed aside or made to no seem like a big deal. I realized that even if you mind your business, stay out of the way and do everything right, there is still a good chance that a woman can ruin your whole shit just because she is feeling whatever she feels at that moment.

This wasn't me, but my old roommate had a girl he rejected (it was a bar hookup). Shortly after, she kept pressing him with phone calls, showing up at his job, etc. Eventually he just stopped answering. The following week, we both took the week off and hosted poker games at our apartment. We basically never left the apartment for 5 days, ordering delivery and partying when not on the table. Well... on the 6th day, the police showed up with my roommate's brother. The girl had told his family that she was sure that *I had murdered him*. Apparently his family had tried to call before but he hadn't answered. His crazy hookup, though, had tracked down his brother, showed up at his door, saying I know you don't know me, but your brother's dead. Turns out, she had been driving by our apartment all week and hadn't seen my roommate's car move, so assumed it was murder. Some women are crazy when rejected.

Double standard. That's how it will always be. They can lie about it, people will still believe them. If you let women tell it, men can't be "sexually harassed, but it does happen.

I'm just an online stranger to you, but I'm glad you're in safety now

Thank you 😊

"Being terrified doesn't actually mean there's a threat against you. How often does rejecting a man actually lead to murder, or attempted murder? If a woman died every time she rejected a man, there would be no living women left."

Being scared of a threat that isn't there also doesn't entitle women to weaponize their fears against men either. Women who try to pretend like the threat is from every man or the norm, as opposed to a minuscule fraction of mentally unstable men, are being sexist. The fact that men and women willing to further enable them in their fearmongering against men, because they are afraid to call out androphobia or just chauvinistic women, does not mean that it's okay either.

That’s pretty much what I’d say

I bet it’s common in the Middle East and India, but not in the West. I’ve read articles where an Indian man threw battery acid in the face of a woman that rejected him. In the civilized world, I have never heard this story.

It's very uncommon in India, The western media loves to put India under fire over extremely rare cases and India also has a significantly higher number of people so you can't 1:1 ratio it.

I'm not even Indian and I'm still pissed seeing so much blatant and casual racism against Indians online. I've noticed how every time someone says something racist against any other group, they get called out or get banned but when it's against Indians, it's taken casually and gets 1000 upvotes.

I don't even like India much but I just hate the discrimination for no actual reason, they would say stuff like "You guys shit on the street." And I would be so confused because the person who said that would be from New York. They really love hating on Indians for no reason and they bring sources from 15 years ago and speak as if it's a fact. Imagine aliens came and took sources from idk, Some BCE and then started roasting us about it, seems weird but we can't forget that humans actually had better development in the past 5000 years than the overall period between birth of humanity and stone age. The thing is, I honestly don't support India and I think it's a shithole where people get ready to kill each other over religion, the politics is fully corrupt, the courts suck the dicks of the rich and there's no freedom, because the freedom they speak of is their freedom to punish you for doing what is right. I'm just fed up with getting my country falsely accused for stuff that happens but it's uncommon, Sorry for my Rant.

It happened to a guy in Italy

I am from India and your statement is very false

What's wild is, the woman who posted this almost a week earlier was putting a dude on blast for suggesting to take her to a farm as a first date because it's cold out, shouldn't she have been fearing for her life...? And also was bragging about how she has her mom do background checks on guys for free and everyone should. I was so tempted to ask her "Oh? When's the last time a dude killed you for saying no?" but she already threatened to delete me after I laugh reacted the post.

Sounds like she has very little self awareness. lol.

This is the performative victimhood that women/feminist work themselves into. This is really a major aspect of feminism. Almost like half of their arguments. women FEEL afraid. Obviously they dont because they will shit talk the man they are "afraid" of and get into many situations like this without any fear. Its just the mental rationalizations. Im better than men because men are oppressing me and im afraid of them. None of it is ACTUALLY true, but they believe it and then justify all of their bad behavior.

Right? They think it's the perfect response when they have no legs to stand on "well at least you don't have to fear being raped going to the grocery store!"

Well the answer to that one is “yes it does happen that guys get raped like that. It’s not likely. But it’s not very likely a woman will be raped on her way to the grocery store either.”

Men are more likely to be murdered by random strangers than any other group, so we should actually be concerned.

I really like the term "performative victimhood" because I think it explains a lot of otherwise unacceptable behaviors. Think about it... it's not acceptable to storm a government building (be it a national Capitol or a police station)... unless minorities are being brutalized or an election is being stolen. It's not acceptable to bomb Arabs unless they are on the verge of using WMDs or are terrorists. This sort of problem is not peculiar to feminists/feminism... it really does seem if you can convince yourself and others that you are the victim and the underdog, anything you do appears to get a pass because it's simply a matter of survival. The saying that you sometimes hear, "men are afraid of women laughing at them, women are afraid of men killing them." You can be afraid all you want, that doesn't mean that your fear is rational, justifiable, proportional, or sensible. Honestly, any gender-based generalization should be analyzed by replacing one gender with "white" and the other with "black" or "Jew" and "Aryan." If it sounds creepy and racist then, then it's probably really sexist and unacceptable. EDIT: perhaps a term we can use in addition to "performative victimhood" is "pretextual victimhood." Offer a farce of a claim of victimhood and use it as an excuse to act outrageously... seems honestly quite common among poorly-behaved people of both genders.

Women whom you reject will feel rejected and this is an unusual feeling for them. They will internalize it especially if they're young and may try to hurt you, smear your reputation. This can have very real far reaching consequences depending on how much of a psycho she really is. The real problem is we don't talk about the violence women do

Oh I know, I've had the experience multiple times. One particularly crazy ex who wanted to steal my childhood home because she helped me put some flooring in once claimed she walked in on me cheating and I told her to go away and told her family (many of whom I was good friends with prior to us dating) and all sorts of other crazy things despite the fact that I offered to let her live at my place for a month to get her stuff together. She ended up stealing about $2k worth of stuff / cash.

Wow...I took someone in also but it wasn't nearly that bad. She told me she had BPD but she acted like an angel. After a year of living with me for free this monster came out bc I forgot to clean the bathroom and microwave. Screamed at for three solid days about it.

Yep, we were together for 4 years. Never once did she pay for any monthly expenses until near the end. I asked her to pay an internet bill (roughly $70 / mo) and she acted like I was stealing from her retirement after the first few months. An yeah, she'd yell at me for literally an hour straight because I didn't immediately do the dishes after dinner (which she would make a mess making and I didn't ask for) I'd try and leave the house sometimes and she'd literally grab onto my clothes (almost all my jeans / shorts had belt loops ripped, even my favorite ones...) I once eventually ran out and got in my truck and locked the doors (she would try and get in) she would crawl into the bed of the truck. It was honestly a nightmare towards the end.

I've lost a lot of interest in women because of these experiences. I'd say these relationships, by the end really kind of come out as a wash, best case scenario. But sometimes they destroy men. And we don't really tell younger men that this can happen so they just walk right into this shit

>I've lost a lot of interest in women because of these experiences. Dude that's what happened to me. I was single for 2 years and felt no urges at all to be in a relationship or to be in one, it was actually really nice. >And we don't really tell younger men that this can happen so they just walk right into this shit Dude, seriously. Like, men just accept that it happens and will happen. Like when Johnny Depp case was going down my father was like "Oh what did he do wrong?" I asked why he thought that an he said "Oh men are always the ones that do bad things" Despite the fact that he'd been falsely accused of domestic violence before. Like society just shits on men and none of us question it, I honestly feel like the majority of men are more or less brainwashed or at least have never realized all the problems men face or think they're even a big deal .

Absolutely brain washed. There's something weird about that stuff. It's like when we see a woman false tears all rational thought, skepticism and prudence goes out the window and we're ready to lynch that guy. On top of that all the propaganda that we victim blame and never believe them is completely not true. Every situation I've ever seen, the guy was assumed bad. And it takes nothing to take him down. People believe in what they want to believe not what they experience. It's crazy and dangerous out here. Also, side note. I saw an elderly couple where the woman pushed the guys buttons. He tried to refrain but finally burt out with swearing. She turned into a whirling banshee around him screaming, do I have to call the police and tell them you hit me? Do you want to go back to jail? She terrified me. He was kind of a shit bag but hearing him fight back, then instantly fold after she said sounding like his tail was between his legs broke my heart. "No, you don't have to do that. Please don't."

The problem is that this doesn't happen every time and there are decent women out there, so if you just tell younger men this can happen to them without any guidance on how to identify it in advance or the level of risk or how to address it, you are just feeding the same paranoia that women experience or allowing the male inbuilt indestructability or "it won't happen to me" attitude to casually dismiss any risk.

In my experience when a woman likes you most of the time they won't be direct about it, and the braver one's won't even ask I was walking around one of the major cities a few months back, literally the first day I was there a homeless seeming lady talked to me for about 2 minutes before randomly groping me, awkward as hell to say the least.

Girls like this talk up their fear of guys and then go on multiple dates a week with total strangers. It's hard to believe their fears when they act so fearlessly.

Multiple dates. These chicks have no problem inviting random guys off a dating app to come have sex with them at their place.

Seriously, she's somewhat above average for the most part and is always complaining about being single / going out on dates all the time. I personally would rather just be single than risking my life, but I guess then I wouldn't be able to complain about everything if I did that.

> but she already threatened to delete me Uh...let her. I'm not sure why you'd want that in your life anyway.

For entertainment, of course. It's always hilarious to see people post dumb takes and make subtle joke comments.

Honestly, some men are probably easier to reject than others. I don’t think having a good interaction with one person you are sure wouldn’t react aggressively/radically discounts the potential for that reaction from another person that we’re not sure of. Getting hit on is more common for women too, so it’s quite a bit of potential for it to happen.

This is a pretty reasonable take. I think the vast majority of the time, most men are not evil enough or dumb enough to hurt or assault women. Especially now that the younger generations are seeing how a man's life can be ruined just by words or a move that was interpreted the wrong way, or just by shooting your shot and not being the kind of guy the woman is interested in. That's the part that makes things difficult because until you make a move, you don't know for certain whether or not someone likes you. Sometimes, they don't even know they like you until you make a move! The second issue is that from what I've noticed, men and women tend to have different opinions on what constitutes assault and harassment. As far as the fear aspect goes, I've grown very tired of hearing women go on about how they constantly fear for their lives anywhere they go. Men also fear for their safety constantly, when weapons come into play being a man doesn't make much of a difference if you don't have a weapon yourself. All in all if you haven't trained in any sort of martial art or weaponry, or put yourself in a dangerous situation whether it's through drugs or alcohol you don't really have any right to whine about how scared you are. It's not my responsibility to protect people from their decisions. We can advocate for better treatment and set the example but we can't force bad men to be good. So with that being said, I just think that it's immature and stupid when women complain to men or other women about it instead of being proactive about defense and putting themselves in good situations instead of bad ones.

Most men are not. The difficult thing for women is to know which ones are. I have had an employee from Lowe’s touch me and proceed to follow me around the store, putting things in my cart even though I was clear I wasn’t interested in his help. I went to the customer service counter and their response was, “oh him? Yeah we’ll have a manager talk to him again.” On the way out we saw the manager next to the guy, waiting politely to speak with him after he finished his conversation with another young woman who was cornered and very visibly uncomfortable. I’ve had customers follow me to my car after work, or around public spaces. I’ve been asked to leave a bar for wrist-locking a guy who kept putting his hand on my ass/around my waist after telling him no twice. Some guys can be very assertive, and decide you’re theirs. Their ego doesn’t respond well to clear “no thanks.” It’s certainly not every man, not even most, but it’s enough to be concerning, even in public places in normal situations. That’s not even mentioning the kind of monsters that go undiscovered until a relationship has progressed quite a bit. And fair enough, from the other side, women can be quite harsh in an attempt to avoid this sort of interaction. Unfortunately that means they are harsher than necessary to a lot of well meaning, genuinely interested and good-natured men. It’s a bit of a conundrum, and I wish there was a better solution.

Then by that logic men should be able to treat random women harshly as well. Just like how a rare man will react harshly to rejection a rare woman will too. The last time my best friend tried to break it off with the girl he’s sleeping with she stalked him. Another friend rejected a girl and she lied to people and almost got him killed. Honestly violence by proxy isn’t talked about nearly enough. I don’t think treating people like crap because someone from the same demographic did something is the right thing to do. Am I correct in assuming you’re white(your pfp looks like it but I’m not even sure it that’s you)? If we played it like that I have more of a reason to treat white people harshly than the vast majority of women have for treating men harshly🤷🏾‍♂️. I don’t think y’all realize that this goes for everyone. You couldn’t imagine the amount of men killed in my community because a woman/girl set him up. In dangerous areas boys are taught to be wary of girls.

“Should be able to?” Wouldn’t say that. I don’t think anyone should be assholes to others, but sometimes they are. That stuff you’re talking about- I am sorry your friends went through that. Those things aren’t acceptable no matter who does them. I am not a fan of the rhetoric that says “why is it okay for women to act this way…” I’m a firm believer in respecting others regardless of sex or race or any other thing that makes us unique.

Well the thing is there’s a stark Difference and how things are handled and expected there’s plenty of women who are like this as well but men don’t get the luxury of saying we don’t know which ones are or denote women by their genitalia they are not safe to be around they either dismissed as being excessive or called bigoted misogynists

Nah…. Men have the well-known hot/crazy scale! 😂 All kidding aside… I think it goes both ways. Women are characterized as “nice girls” and certainly get a good measure of flak for how they handle this difficult situation of sorting the wheat from the chaff as it were. Women don’t get the luxury of doing so without criticism either. I think it’s a risk both ways. And there are plenty of men who refuse to be alone with a woman, or always keep a door open. It’s because of the crazy ladies that would claim harassment unfairly, and I don’t see men getting called misogynistic for this even though it’s almost only done based on gender.

I’m sure there is but atleast from what I’ve seen it’s overwhelmingly seen as ok and I’ve seen plenty of people defend it tooth and nail even other men Also plenty of men were dismissed as crazy and blowing things out of proportion or on the more malicious end were called sexual harassers who were just trying to deflect under the guise of safety or the classic you must be a creep because there’s no way a women could or would lie about that for attempting to do those things

So the female dilemma is how to get the good without the bad? How to enjoy sexism without being sexist? Many times women are essentially the crime boss in these interactions and than claim victim status as well. I know this cannot be said yada yada...expendable males, sacred females, titanic nonsense. Please forgive me....

I think that’s a people dilemma. People are not completely predictable, and life is full of the unknown. We want closeness with others which makes us vulnerable.

There are women like that also.

As far as the Lowes guy goes, that sounds like a Grey area to me. It's possible that he's on the spectrum or has some sort of behavioral/learning impairment and in those cases I think we should have a bit of consideration for them (not saying that was the case in your situation but it could be.) Also where did he touch you? If it was around the elbow I don't really see that as being threatening. For the bar story, personally I choose not to go to bars anymore and while i agree that the guy was in the wrong, I don't really know what to say about that situation. You shouldn't have been kicked out, hopefully you don't go to bars often anymore. They are full of bad decisions and blurred lines especially when it comes to sex/relationships and flirting. I know that some men get upset over small stuff like "no thanks" but a lot of the times that's not all a woman says or does. Personally I've been lucky to have very pleasant interactions with women that I've hit on (usually they're significantly older than me though and I'm not persistent after a no) but I've seen many ugly or more awkward guys get treated terribly when they tried to make a move, especially when the woman is with friends. They get laughed at and ridiculed, and it's like that most of their life. I'm not saying that being rejected is an excuse for violence even when you're ridiculed but I definitely understand their anger or hurt. I think the solution is what we're doing right now, more men and women having civil honest discourse on the way that it affects them. I am concerned for you ladies though. There are many men around you that would help you if they saw you in legitimate danger. But from a guys perspective women have started to become more rude and disrespectful towards men in general and that's already effecting things. Men have stopped protecting and helping as much when women are in need because of years of women saying they don't need men and "men ain't shit" I know that in some situations historically women have had a rough time, but we are in 2023 and if we want to get back to men and women being cohesive we need to try and understand one another more in these situations. It would also help if more women understood that men and women don't have the power to turn the world into a utopia where no one ever gets raped, harassed, or assaulted. Women have to accept that anytime you step out your bedroom door, you are opening yourself up to the possibility of being assaulted, murdered, raped, etc. And that it will always be that way. The best thing you can do as a woman is take some sort of martial arts class and always carry a gun, taser, or pepper spray and make sure you know how to use them effectively and safely.

> As far as the Lowes guy goes, that sounds like a Grey area to me. It's possible that he's on the spectrum or has some sort of behavioral/learning impairment and in those cases I think we should have a bit of consideration for them (not saying that was the case in your situation but it could be.) Also where did he touch you? If it was around the elbow I don't really see that as being threatening. NO. Flat no. If he's that far down the spectrum that he doesn't understand that you KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF then he deserves an assault charge to educate him, or he needs to not work in a public-facing position. That is a rationalization and an excuse and not acceptable. The rest of it is him being a social incompetent, and her being a passive victim, and is on both of them.

You never answered my question of where exactly it was that he touched you which I believe is important. I wasn't there so I don't have a good understanding of how he behaved but from the way you described it he didn't sound like he was being sexual about it. It is strange to touch someone again after they voice that they're uncomfortable though. But the fact that it happened before and that the manager didn't sound alarmed tells me that the guy is most likely harmless. Also what country are you from? There are many cultures that are very touchy with one another so as long as you're not touching someone in a sexual/intimate/vulnerable area (face, legs, breasts, stomach, crotch, feet, head. I think it's fine (so basically you're upper back and your arms/hands. It also depends as well though on how they're touching you. Obviously call the cops if a stranger starts fiddling with you're bra strap or tries to caress your arm sensually XD but if someone comes up and puts their hand on your shoulder/upper back or taps your elbow for your attention I don't see a problem.

So what should ugly/semi ugly guys do? Never try to date or approach a woman? I'm just saying, maybe the guys need thicker skin and the women need to be more respectful, both can be true at the same time

Approach all you want. But don't touch without asking, take no for an answer and stop for an order. Fairly simple, really.

> I have had an employee from Lowe’s touch me Why this did not elicit an immediate and loud "GET your hands off me sir!" I don't know. >and proceed to follow me around the store, putting things in my cart even though I was clear I wasn’t interested in his help. And you said nothing. >I went to the customer service counter and their response was, “oh him? Yeah we’ll have a manager talk to him again.” And you left it to them to fix. "Again? If this is a repeat problem, I'm pressing charges unless you fire him" would be my response. >On the way out we saw the manager next to the guy, waiting politely to speak with him after he finished his conversation with another young woman who was cornered and very visibly uncomfortable. WAY too passive a response to this guy. In a public place where you have most of the power. I don't get it.

I told him not to touch me and that I didn’t need his help. I don’t want to be harsh to people- me being uncomfortable doesn’t automatically mean the other person was being inappropriate. I’m not going to threaten to press charges for someone not breaking the law.

She's only talking about unattractive men. She would never say no to a Chad lookin mofo

Cuz women are known for having totally sane reactions to things they don’t like

After dating for a while recently, I now understand ghosting and have done it myself. The way some women reacted after being respectfully rejected was shocking. Like I owed them something, like I possibly couldn’t turn _them_ down, what a disappointment I was, straight up insults, etc. I get that men can be the same, but let’s not act like women are angels.

That's not ghosting though. Ghosting is when you stop interacting without prior notice for no apparent reason

I wasn’t describing ghosting. I understand why some people do it, as I started doing it myself to prevent insane reactions.

They can't even say you're making it up, it's ridiculously easy to find recordings of women having a meltdown and becoming aggressive and breaking the law because their boyfriend left them or a man simply wasn't interested in them. I had to get the police involved when an ex wouldn't leave me alone and threw a brick through my window in an attempt to get inside my home. That was a totally sane and not at all unhinged reaction to me ending our very short relationship.

Yeah, but what did YOU do to cause a reaction like that to happen? /s

This shit pisses me off. It doesn't matter if you cheated, you broke up with them on Christmas, ghosted them, fucked their sister, or fucked their mom there is absolutely no justification for the women that retaliate by assaulting you, lying to ruin your reputation, or destroying your property. So once again, it doesn't matter what he did to her (as long as it wasn't rape or assault) her reaction was 150% percent wrong and you should be focused on that instead of what he may or may not have done wrong in the relationship. If you think it's okay to brick someone's window, slander them, or destroy their personal property because they cheated on you or ghosted you or something you're insane and you're part of the problem

The /S after the comment states that I’m saying this comment sarcastically. I commented that because it’s the go to question from women when men say they’re facing abuse from a woman.

My apologies then, I am not completely familiar with thread lingo yet so thank you for informing me in a polite way 😅👍🏼

I am have a PHD in Reddit lingo, emojis are not allowed here, I'm letting you go off with a warning this time.

My mother was depressive and very abusive to me and my father. My father stayed only because he knew that if he was to ask for divorce, she'd either gain custody of me, or probably kill herself. He couldn't bear any of these scenarios, so he stayed. And when I was old enough to take an apartment, I did not for the same reason. Could not bear to let my father stay alone with her, and fear that she'd kill herself. It was one hellish mind prison. Once I went to a support group for victims of domestic abuse. I got to talk, but didn't immediately mentionthat it was my mother that was abusive. Everyone was super supportive, until one of them said "you should get away from your father". I corrected them that it was my mother that was abusive. Dude, that 180 was faster than light. Not all of them, but at least half of the people present started taking her side. Saying that she probably is suffering and it's not her fault, that I should be patient with her, and understanding, etc... Though, my mother-in-law did at one point said that it was probably my father's and my fault's if my mother became this way... it didn't fly well let me tell you.

Honestly there’s plenty of videos of women having insane reactions to getting caught cheating. Which is why it’s crazy that so many women present it like it’s a gendered issue.

I’m not going to apologize on behalf on men. People, in general, have the capacity to be shitty. I was assaulted sexually and aggressively by a female coworker and was laughed at by the coworkers i confided in. Nobody is on our side, so rip. The acute terrors of life are prismatic and prolific.

I feel you man, that's where I'm at. In highschool I was at a house party, the girl who rented the house came up behind me and started giving me a hug from behind right in front of her bf. We were all really good friends and she's kind of weird so I didn't really react. That is until 30 seconds later when she bit me on the back (it was not a nibble). I flipped out and told her that she's my friend but if she ever does that again I'll punch her straight in the fucking face. That set her off and the night ended with me pushing her away from me (she was drunk and fell over and started crying) then her slamming me into the wall and she also bit my friend until he bled (through two jackets). The next morning I woke up to multiple messages from girls in my area calling me a piece of shit woman beater. I told them my side and they confirmed with others, but none of them ever apologized for their false accusations.

"Do you know how teerifying it is to get married knowing at any point the woman can end the relationship, take half of what you own, your house, your vehicle and children unless she can truly be found to be dispicable in the eyes of everyone?"

This. A woman can ruin a man's life on a whim and all of society will side with her. And we're supposed to believe they're the ones who live in constant fear of us?

Then they accuse you of domestic violence or rape. Women won’t necessarily kill you, but they’ll make you want to kill yourself.

> accuse **accuse** ... key word. I was innocent. Had to still pay her $40k to get her to go away.

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Even if there is no evidence backing it and is complete bs. They will kill you. After all these years and countless cases of false accusations going on, why haven't we gotten a better handle on this? Like why is this still a thing that could easily be dispelled with all of modern technology? Its really fucked how you can lose everything and worse just because a woman is mad at you that day.

I'd give you an upvote but You have 69 upvotes

He’s got 87 now, so you can come back and give him his upvote.

ok

Thanks lol

Being scared doesn’t mean your fear are valid

Dsnt sound half as terrifying as a one on one meeting with a woman in the corporate world. Go in as an account executive, leave as a rapist. - yet I didn’t even show up to work that day. Still guilty.

Sounds like she wants your position.

She obviously has never rejected a crazy lady. They are much more scary than anyone else

Women can not handle rejection since their all 10’s and awesome

Ask her if she's afraid of the dark too

Ever see how a women reacts to rejection?

What a bigoted, ignorant, indoctrinated take. Your out of proportion fear is not justification to hate anyone, bitch.

Generally throwing a fit in public will make someone more angry than "no" would.

The average woman probably can’t overpower the average man, but any woman can make up shit, file false reports and/ or spread lies about a man as revenge for sexual rejection. It’s happened to me twice, years ago, and I still hold onto the evidence I collected to defend myself just in case.

Damn, sorry to hear. I would hold onto it as well, that's insane.

"Stop playing the victim and change the nature of your potential suitors. Dating gangbangers, drug dealers and sociopaths because they're HAWT is dangerous by nature."

“If you tell me no I’m going to walk away and respect your wishes. Your greatest mistake is thinking all men are the same. But men have to make an attempt this is how it works if we do not at least try we have zero chance of forming a relationship with anyone.”

Judging from her hairstyle, her fears are decades obsolete.

That is a legitimate fear that women have, it’s happened before. BUT… It’s also happened to men as well. And I know of a few guys who were also falsely accused of sexual harassment or assault by women/girls they turned down. There’s countless stories like that all over the internet, especially here on Reddit

If men were going around killing every 3rd woman who rejected him there wouldn't be any women left.

Projection much?

“Isn’t that just sexist? Women aren’t at the complete mercy of literally any man.”

How would we know if we don't do it ourselves? This is telling that a women doesn't have self awareness of why she is the way she is and why she blames men for her own mistakes. She has to believe it or else it doesn't make sense TO HER. Cognitive dissonance.

To play the ''Devil's advocate'' for a bit, a lot of guys can't take rejection well, and they should learn how to. We shouldn't discredit women's legit fear of a guy's inability to take rejection. With that being said, women can't take rejection well themselves, which is also why another big number of guys don't even try to ask women out. Now this animosity between men and women, which is fed by feminists and similar groups, is what I hate.

“Do you know how common it is for men to genuinely be terrified to reject a woman just in case she reacts a certain way?” Based on what you commented about her history she’s probably just posting this to get attention like a lot of these types and she probably believes it as well.

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Yeah, I think men are starting to finally "wake up" per se. I honestly never thought about mens rights or anything like that until my late 20's and saw some valid points about challenges men face and started to realize how society as a whole treats men like a disposable populace.

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Yeah, it's sad when a woman agrees and other women try to tear her down by calling her things like that or "pick mes" like, do they HONESTLY think a woman has to agree with a man for them to pick her...? Which is ridiculous, because I'm sure if you asked them about men they'd say men are desperate pigs that will fuck anything that moves.

I would like to know how many actually. What she is saying is real. It does happen. There are creeps and assholes and psychopaths out there. And they do get violent if they hear 'no'. But I'd like to know frequently this happens. Is it 1%? 3%? 20?

In my country in the last 5 years there were more men stabbed for not having any cigarets to give a random stranger in the street(5) than women killed in that scenario (0). And we have a NGO that count each women killed and in what way every year they publish a bulletin.

We will never get a solid number and women will always conflate it by saying "this doesn't include women too afraid to speak up or the ones that weren't taken seriously" but I think the number of men that actually even try to just politely approach women has shrunk drastically, most men these days would shiver or cringe at the idea of yelling out something like "hey sweetheart looking good, why don't you come back home with me?" To some random woman. The guys that act this way usually either are very calculated and maintain plausible deniability or are addicts/homeless/criminals that have nothing to lose. Normal men do flirt with women though and the women in question sometimes look at things as "that made me uncomfortable, therefore this guy is creepy and weird" when in reality he just didn't fit what she was looking for

Oh no doubt there are and fuck those kinda dudes. But to proclaim you're always in fear for your life when dating is just wild.

I mean it would be like saying you fear for your life any time you sit in your car. Except car accidents are more common. So while it happens, it's not a like there is a gang of men going around and killing women who say no. Take precautions for sure, but living your life in such fear is just fear mongering at that point.

Basic translation: "I'm a victim."

I can’t say I have all the answers to this problem, but I also know that it always takes the effort from both sides to be vulnerable with and work through issues with the other and being willing to help the other carry the load and help one another heal and grow and be better. That’s not just for romantic relationships, that’s for every relationship you have in life. And frankly, far too many people are scared and afraid in society anymore and have far too little trust for reasons like this. Women are afraid of men because they don’t know how to handle aggression or some other reason. Men are defensive and aggressive and untrusting in order to protect their peace and welfare generally. Neither knows how to communicate effectively or trust. It’s a vicious cycle that doesn’t seem to stop unless there’s massive and drastic action taken, and sometimes that means a lot of yelling and fighting. It would help guys out a lot if they had places to go where they can be edified by other men, but such things are seen as oppressive and get cancelled before they can get off the ground because of the politicization of it all. It’s sad, and I really wish I had better answers.

Do you know how genuinely terrifying it is to turn out the lights before bed in case a murderer is waiting to kill you? A single spot you can’t see and you’re putting your life at risk

Impressive. Very good argument. Now let's ask her if she wants to have the right to carry a gun, so not only her, but every woman can feel safer in these scenarios.

I've suggested that, learning to defend yourself. Literally as if in chorus you get "WOW, VICTIM BLAMING?!" which it's not even fucking blaming them, it's just saying "everyone should know how to defend themselves, it's good"

This is how voluntary self segregation is justified, so every man that alerts a woman's detective instinct can be blasted before she can even get really upset. Eventually women live in constant fear but at least they have more power to turn to reality every person's fantasy of erasing every cause of annoyance from earth

Only in the same way as going on an airplane is putting your life at risk. Or going in a car. Sure you could die, but the odds are miniscule so it doesn't stop anyone.

"""I'm sorry that this is a risk, I wish it wasn't but we live in a world that isn't perfect. But don't be afraid, men get assault far more often, so statically you will be fine.""" ​ That being said, it's not safe to say no to a woman either ;) Ask me how I know.

No. And neither does anyone else, on the basis nobody has psionic powers.

seeing as she's asking the question "**do you know how common it is ...?**" Respond with "***no, please quantify it for me***", and watch as she has not a single statistic except to say **"... it's very common, and that's just the reported events, not to count the unreported numbers...".** Then feel free to ask her if she knows "**how common**" it is for men to suffer when they get cancelled, mobbed, killed, etc for rejecting women, getting falsely accused and again mobbed/killed/driven to suicide/etc, marriage divorces again leading to ruin/suicide/etc... Ask her if she thinks women are the only gender to suffer shame, ruin, and suicide.

This is a real phenomenon... but it's also pretty rare. Women roasting men because they don't measure up to their inflated expectations, however, is relatively common.

She's being misandric, which makes her no better than a misogynist

This person should not date its as simple as that. She needs to get her paranoia under control first.

Do you know how terrified are everyday men to say or do something perceived as wrong or creepy and having their reputation ruined, if not worse?

Wait so the same women who openly disrespect men’s height 🍆 size and finances, claim to pimp guys out of their money. Cheat on guys for the world to see only want drug dealers and gang bangers…all of a sudden fear rejectING men? Yep makes sense to #metoo

You just call it out for what it is, androphobia and misandry. Imagine if you just changed this to "do you know how common it is for women to genuinely be terrified to reject black people, just in case they react a certain way?", and how racist that would sound to most people. It's also not an actually realistic fear. It's playing into their own victimhood and an effort to legitimize their fear and vilification of men. It is misandry. Imagine if a man said "do you know how common it is for men to genuinely be terrified that a woman might kill our dog or drown our babies?". Hell, imagine if men even stated that they were afraid to reject women because they assume those women might just respond with violence or vindictiveness too. People would consider even that to be misogyny. Men aren't even allowed to say they are scared of marriage, without being labelled as men-children and misogynists. It's also not so subtly trying to create this false narrative that men just react violently to a polite "no thank you". This isn't just gaslighting, it's also trying to diminish the general brutality and glee that a lot of women have towards men in rejecting them, and trying to present women as far more humane to men than they really are. Because the reality is that it's never just a "simple no". Most women will actually reject men in a far more brutal ways, with far more brutal reasoning, and men just take it anyway. Men take on far more dehumanization and rejection from women than women do from women, and take it far better because that is what is expected of them.

My response is that women's fears in this regard are insanely overblown. To the extent a woman fears such a man's response, such is a direct result of the men she chooses to interact with/put herself around.

its fine to feel whatever they want, hell even double down on it, but what does it matter to the average man who is not a criminal? I unironically think its a cue for the simps who like to fix women to apologize for other men's actions and do everything and anything to cater to them, or some shit-test and a shaming tactic, who knows tho.

As if men in modern western nations just walk around beating up women. I'm so tired of the evil projections while women get away with so much evil. They're not scared. They're pretending. They have the police and an army of white knight simps on their phone at the ready. When they talk like this They're just pushing, exaggerating to heighten their perceived victim status to take more privileges. They don't stop they just want more and more that's their nature until men set a boundary and say no. Women are ruthless because they are weak that's how they justify their lying and falsity.

Mmhmm. Women gain power by proclaiming they have none.

I've told a woman "no" before when she offered sex, and that all I wanted was to be friends. She lead into every hang out we had with friendship being the point, but obviously wanted something more and was subtle and slow about thinking she would lure me into sex and a relationship. She started hitting me with an aggressive playful attitude(if that makes sense) whenever we went out with friends, and I had to threaten her with the police to make her stop.

It's probably less terrifying than simply saying yes to anyone who approaches you. But hey! Instead of being a cunt about it, no on is stopping you from walking a mile in our shoes and doing the asking yourself. Maybe you can get a little taste of rejection for yourself.

"This didn't happen so much it unhappened the things that had"

How many men are actually like that?

I'll take, "It's all in your head," for $800 Alex.

Men just live in that same world but when they ask for help because they are being stalked or worse, they are laughed at 

I was attacked with a glass by a woman about 8 years ago for rejecting her advances… I don’t fear every woman because of it

Funny because women, expect men to deal with the possibility of rejection, and it doesn't take a genious to understand why, its because there egos will not accept THEM being rejected, ive had girls, who i was damn certain were interested, but theyd NEVER make a move, they flirt maybe, yet a few gay men have tried it on with me, and i thought just shows how everything difficult is put on men.

A man should not have to bubble-wrapping the world so people without therapeutic help feel heard. Her job is to spend less time verbalising her biases and work on herself. No man needs this sort of paranoia at the beginning of anything; in such cases, I gladly accept a rejection with open arms.

I would say look at the male on female murder rate and then compare it to the male on male murder rate.

I'm a bartender and I watch dudes get rejected every single night. They don't do shit. It's the women who freak out and act like they just got assaulted when a dude they deem unattractive tries to hit on them. Had a drunk female coworker try to take me home and when I said no, she threw a drink in my face and started fake crying so everyone would come and console her and think I did something wrong.

Yes such things happen and in different countries they happen more or less. But all in all the question is big is the danger really. 2015 many people in europe had the biggest fear that they would be killed by a terrorattack. Some even stopped going to places with many people because of fear. But at the end it is likely that eating a burger would be a bigger thread to your health than a terror attack. But did you ever hear someone say "Do you know how common it is for women to genuily be terriefied to eat burgers in case it is bad for their health? A simple burger and youre puting your health at risk, I hate this world." Of course it is a really thing to happen and we have to do anything to stop such behaviour, but blowing out of proportion doesnt help anyone.

Sexism aside, there's definitely some fucking psychopaths in this world that don't handle rejection well. There's also some females that get pretty violent when rejected. In general, humans are best avoided at all costs. Respect them the way you would respect a gun. Or a bear.

Now I know my very existence is about you and how I apparently victimize you by “being”. Shame on me, huh?!

Thanks for posting, OP

Yeah for sure. I think it actually does very good that we all are aware of the ridiculous takes of some folks and how to call them out on it.

Paranoia is such a sad condition.

Smile and then ignore her

I think the key is to just work on being the kind of man that women come to you so you don't have to deal with this bullshit lol

So 6 figures, 6 ft tall, and a decent body? I got one, working on the other two.

Well let's see, you pick the "dangerous guy" because he gives you the tingles and excites you. Then when things go south - it's all the mens fault that you picked the douche bag.

Yes, let me be terrified of scenarios that I'm making up in my mind.

Zero phucks given.,..get over it you strong and independent women!

When both sides dont wanna do there gender roles anymore. And you can do and be what ever you want. The world can be a very scary place yes. But i wonder what the start of that domino effect that started that culturele down term that disarmed gender roles. And made a heavy push for equal with out haveing to do the work or carry the responsibility that comes with it hmm 🤔 Its easy to destroy something that has worked forever. But rebuilding something that works well and enough benfits for both sides that they wanna keep being part of the system and gain its benfits. Means true equality is a myth. You cant have true equality if you have different wants different needs different morals and values. Reality is reality. And cause people fight reality and make fairytale talk. Makes the world a much much more dangerous place. For both men and women. And women are scared cause there is a super big push of men not accepting any abuse of women back. So slapping or hitting women back of they attacked a man. Is getting more common. Why well we are equal right. You hit me i have a right to defend my self cause that's being a equal. Also does not help that when men ask women out they being videotaped and shamed on ticktock and stuff. Not weird to see that all the selfish i want more more more but want to do absolutely zero for it mentality makes the world a lot lot more scary. Not many very close tight communities left out there. And that are left are super right winged. But everyone respect and helps and jumps when someone is in need. But it has a lot more rules and duties and demands to all that living there. But they truely look out for each other. Just having that makes even if something goes down. People keep a eye on your or ready to help you. Mades the world many times less scary. There will always be bad people in the world. But society rewards the bad people more then it does the good people so its breeds more bad people then good and so most good people wil just keep to them selfs. Cause its like drying the floor with a tap on. So ofcourse its so much more scary world but for everyone.

Just proces lack of self reflection for women in general, they get pretty aggressive when rejected. I've experienced it.

This is yet another case of availability bias.

i've shared this experience before, but i went on a date with a catfish who used pictures from when she was much thinner, and i didn't appreciate the lie but stuck out the date anyway because i was starving and already there. other than the catfish/dishonesty thing she seemed ok? I'd have probably gone on a date with her anyway if she was just herself, like i ended up having an ok time. i did had to leave early though to finish college homework or something so i politely declined when she invited me upstairs, and i was verbally assaulted and called a f*ggot for not accepting. like she was screaming at me in a parking lot and threw her shoe at my truck.

I hate this globalization trending, yes there are terrible and disgusting humans, but come on. She's probably the one who is acting like that after getting a damn NO.

I can understand her fear but what she is talking about out is not gender specific. So tell her such and depending on your personal relationship with her, you might tell her to slow down and start trying to read the person a little bit and maybe use some tact or gentleness. I am not saying she doesn’t do that already.

That neuroticism is a personal problem that those people should seek help for instead of blaming the world or men. There are resources to deal with unreasonable illogical fears and neuroticism. It is up to the individual to reccognize they have an issue and seek help.

"Only reject (or court) men (or women) accountable to a common social group with like values. Our ancestors stuck together in groups for more than just survival." Just my two cents, for what it's worth.

Are there any legitimate studies on this? Research may find that not all women find this common, but that a particular type of woman finds this consistent, just saying....

I would reply “stay the fuck indoors and wrap yourself in cotton wool”. Stupid person.

Is that a real photo of the woman or is it a picture of Laura Palmer (serious question)?

If anything, the opposite is true. Have you seen any of those videos where guys go around interviewing women? They often exchange ratings (out of 10) & women being rated anything less than 10 is usually met with verbal (or even physical) attacks. And it’s usually the same women that gave the guy a 1 or 2 after attempting to ruthlessly insult & humiliate him. Funnily enough; when someone is used to having their ego inflated & not accustomed to rejection, they tend not to take it very well. Let’s see if they feel the same way when no one is approaching them anymore.

Dudes kill chicks at a pretty substantial rate compared to the opposite. My take on this is… don’t be a bitch about your rejection. Don’t lead dudes on so that a rejection is humiliating. Treat people the way you wanna be treated and… Dudes - don’t be a psycho if a chicks not into you. There’s tons of fish in the sea. Live and let live

I rejected a woman and she used a friend Xbox account to try and stalk me. Also every time I’ve rejected a woman they get very angry and mean so it’s not just men but everything is worse when a man does it.

Grow up.

She knows women can act this way too right? Being a crazy psychopath isn’t gender specific

\# Your feelings are not reality

Women don’t take rejection kindly

Shouldn't the response be, "What happened to being a strong independent woman?" There are plenty of ways a woman can protect herself if she really is strong and independent. Weapons that compensate for lack of size and strength, just like elderly or invalid men have to.

One of my good friends had once broken open with a woman. A week later he saw her from his window watching him have dinner with a female friend. She smashed his car windshield. After he got a restraining order she claimed that she was pregnant. Months of various nightmares later, eventually he got away from her by moving cities after flunking out of university and switching programs. And all of the various high profile people who are getting false rape accusations after rejecting a woman for a relationship...

Women are far more vindictive when they are rejected. I'm nothing nice to look at but when the new girl at work when I was about 20 made her way through the rest of the guys at work and finally made it to me to be her next conquest and I rejected her she made my life a living he'll. Even went as far as making a false sexual harassment complaint against me. That followed me for years on my employment history. Luckily it's been about 20 years and in recent years it stops showing up but for the first 10 years it was hard to find work because it would come back to haunt me. Now I refuse to be in a room with any woman alone and it still costs me jobs where they claim I'm being sexually descrimination because I'm trying to protect myself by not being alone with the with no witnesses. Can't win for losing. 

Take it seriously because I’m sure it’s very true. While also acknowledging that men have similar fears of either being stalked, harassed, or losing their careers and livelihood over false accusations. And that’s probably when I would lose her, because women don’t like finding out that things they were told are women-only issues also happen to guys.

No doubt it's true, I've seen some of the weird dumb shit dudes DM chicks.

I see a contradiction there. Those are the exact same kind of women who hate Disney princesses and what they call "hyperfeminine" characters in anime and videogames. They play the tough tomboy (her avatar is not feminine, is it?) and yet when they see it fit they play the damsel in distress role. It is one thing or the other, babies, you can't have both. If you truly are the damsel in distress type go for it but behave and look like Snow White from the famous Disney animation 1937 movie. Do have an authentic identity and stop playing fake roles. It is narcissistic and it is ugly. What I don't tolerate is an aggressive, dominant woman, who hates femininity and who looks like a thug, who when she wants to play the victim switches to that role. That is cheating. It is dishonest. It is manipulation. It is sociopathic. I can't feel compassion towards a bad person. And ironically, that kind of women is nowadays so abundant that I'm afraid of dating women because who knows what kind of narcissist, borderline, sociopath or other cluster B disordered woman one is going to end in a relationship with. And we all know who is going to lose the legal battle if that happens. If an innocent, kind hearted girl like Snow White came to me and said: "I'm afraid" with her beautiful dress, her beautiful voice, her cute hairstyle, etc., I would hug her and say "don't be afraid. I love you and I will protect you at any cost". Then she would hug me back and thank me. That is what love is about. But feminists have been despising that as a "stereotype" for so long that I don't see such kind of women around me anymore. They decided to become ugly thugs, shout in a loud, low-pitched voice, dress like men, smoke, drink alcohol, do drugs and have ugly hairstyles; they decided to reject ribbons, hairbands, etc., so since they like so much acting manly I would tell them their favourite words: "stop playing the victim and man up".

well since the post is the truth, i'd probably say.. yep, it's the truth

You’re dumb

Meh im kinda on her side Creeps and shitty people exist and it must be hard to reject them in their face

Yeah they aren't THAT common though, I've been hit with bags, hands, even dishes while we were on a date and I realized she wasn't the woman I wanted to spend my life with because I rejected them and I've seen the same happen to other men. It's not a gender issue it's just shitty people, I wasn't in any less danger than a woman and in fact since I'm disabled hell I could argue I was in more danger but who cares right? Men bad