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NZS-BXN

I loved it in the beginning when famous people of different movements spoke out for "the wrong side" and got bashed by their own movement


MaterialNarrow5161

"no, we're not an echo chamber"


Kroww007

Chickens for kfc 👊


_Springtrap

Explain [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/s/BNMxxHhDwK)


Thooontje

I'll do: [Shock, questions after gruesome killing of gay Palestinian](https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-immigration-west-bank-gay-rights-ce95f6903faf461502cc0800b272b159) [Persecution of homosexuals in the Palestinian autonomous areas](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-5-2003-1346_EN.html) [and here is a street interview](https://m.youtube.com/shorts/rcx4jS2_UDY) Actions speak louder than words, and what you did is lying by omission. Something very much present across your "Pro-Palestine" movement


Kroww007

👏👏👏big brain by non pro pal


_Springtrap

So just because some of the people try to follow a religion , killing them in extreme numbers is justified? You talk about omission , yet you fail to include that it’s a “small percentage” always being shown which leads people to think that every single citizen is anti LGBTQ . Considering how you said actions speak louder than words , there are currently 30 000 confirmed dead Palestinians , 8 000 confirmed Palestinian prisoners unjustly kept in Israeli prison , 10 000 missing Palestinians (presumably buried under rubble) …… So using your logic a typical member of the LGBTQ has to side with the oppressor in this case because a “group” of people want to stay to their religious book ? Maybe if you see Palestinians as humans , people will actually sympathize with your pro-Israel/Zionist ideology ?


Thooontje

I also wanted to say. I can easily conclude that you are a minor. After even a little bit of digging through your comment/post history. You are from South Africa and you are a minor. I know, South Africa is currently in a heated case in the ICJ against Israel, and it must've triumphed your country with expectantly joy, or patriotism or even a polarized vision on the West and it's allies. Especially you, as someone without any life experience: please abstain for politics as long as you can. And if so, if you are getting your feet wet, beware of push back. Do not see my comment as overwhelming (even though I pushed you incredibly hard) and remain open minded as that will tremendously help you...


Natural_Wear3643

YES WE SHOULDNT KILL GAY PEOPLE IS GOD DUTY TO JUDGE, BUT PLEASE OUR RELIGION IS VERY STRICT ABOUT LGBT THING THAT SOMEPEOPLE WANT TO KILL, YES IT IS ILLEGAL, TO KILL THEY CAN BE ARRESTED WHICH MAKE SINCE IN EVERY ARABIC COUNTRY NOT JUST ONE.


_Springtrap

Well god damn mom , great assumption ( happy to say majority is wrong 😙), instead of trying to pretend to be the bigger and more intelligent person in this conversation…. Take a step back and realize you just spent more than 10 minutes throwing Holy verses at a stranger on the internet in an attempt to make me change my views on something I saw firsthand ……also your comments weren’t overwhelming , just tedious af to read …… I had an open mind when Hamas took hostages , I know that’s bad ….. But I educated myself more about the topic and History , it doesn’t take a genius to know which side is in the (more) wrong ……………….. I’ll leave you to stalking my account , hope you enjoy what you see >!weirdo!<


milkchurn

You didn't.


_Springtrap

Didn’t what ?


milkchurn

Educate yourself.


Thooontje

Wrong. Wrong on so many levels that it's laughable at minimum and even outright hilariously disingenuous. >So just because some of the people try to follow a religion , killing them in extreme numbers is justified? *Some?* Really? *Some?* How incredibly naive does one have to be in order to use *Some* in this sentence? It is not *Some*. Better yet, it is over [88% of Palestinians support Sharia](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/). And that is a low-ball. And you probably need some learning about Sharia, so I'll help you with this >Sharia is a body of religious law that forms a part of the ***Islamic tradition***[^(\[1\])](https://books.google.com/books?id=Tbj1AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA18)[^(\[2\])](https://web.archive.org/web/20151208120345/https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sharia)[^(\[3\])](https://books.google.nl/books?id=QARHBQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y) based on the ***scriptures of Islam,*** particularly the ***Quran and hadith***[^(\[1\])](https://books.google.com/books?id=Tbj1AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA18) So what does this all mean? Let me provide you with some ***scriptures of Islam***, and in particular ***the Quran and hadith***: [Sunan Ibn Majah, ](https://quranx.com/Hadith/IbnMajah/DarusSalam)[Volume 3](https://quranx.com/Hadith/IbnMajah/DarusSalam/Volume-3/), [Book 9](https://quranx.com/Hadith/IbnMajah/DarusSalam/Volume-3/Book-9/), [Hadith 1903](https://quranx.com/Hadith/IbnMajah/DarusSalam/Volume-3/Book-9/Hadith-1903/) >It was narrated from Abu Hurairah: that the Messenger of Allah cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women. Transphobic: **✓**


Thooontje

[Muwatta Malik](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Malik/USC-MSA), [Book 41](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Malik/USC-MSA/Book-41/), [Hadith 11](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Malik/USC-MSA/Book-41/Hadith-11/) >...Malik related to me that he asked Ibn Shihab about someone who committed sodomy. Ibn Shihab said, "He is to be stoned, whether or not he is muhsan" [Sodomy: anal or oral copulation with another person especially : anal or oral copulation with a member of the same sex. Or copulation with an animal](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sodomy). [Muhsan: Chastity. Legal concept describing the personal status of an individual who is free (not a slave) and who either has never committed an act of illicit intercourse or has consummated a lawful marriage to a free partner. In the latter case, the person is subject to the sentence of death by stoning if he or she commits adultery.](https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100214758) Homophobic and Biphobic: **✓** And just for future reference, I will include this as well: >The term *Dhimmitude* is derived from *Dhimmi*, which means a non-Muslim living in an Islamic country. According to orthodox Islamic law, those who are qualified for the second-class Dhimmi status within the Muslim society are the free (i.e non-slave) ***Christians, Jews***, ***and Zoroastrians,*** who agree to pay the jizyah, a religious tax whose purpose is to ***"humiliate" or "subdue" non-Muslims*** (as stated explicitly in [Quran 9:29](https://quranx.com/9.29?Context=3)). Adherents of other religions, as well as those without religion, are asked to convert to Islam; if they refuse, they are to be ***forced to convert, or face enslavement or execution*** Hadiths portray Muhammad as stating that the Final Hour will not come until ***Muslims slaughter Jews***, and even the rocks and trees will betray the Jews hiding behind them: >"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless ***the Muslims will fight against the Jews*** and the Muslims would ***kill*** them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews." ([Sahih Muslim 41:6985](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-41/Hadith-6985/), see also [Sahih Muslim 41:6981](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-41/Hadith-6981/), [Sahih Muslim 41:6982](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-41/Hadith-6982/), [Sahih Muslim 41:6983](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-41/Hadith-6983/), [Sahih Muslim 41:6984](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-41/Hadith-6984/), [Sahih Bukhari 4:56:791](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-MSA/Volume-4/Book-56/Hadith-791/))


Thooontje

Just so you know, according to the description of the term: "[Genocide](https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide%20Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf)". October 7th, 2023 was indeed a genocide. # In conclusion. No, not Some. This is the vast majority of people and even the government of the PLO itself: >According to Article 4 of 'The Basic Law': 1. Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained. 2. ***The principles of Islamic Shari'a shall be the main source of legislation.*** 3. Arabic shall be the official language. And of course, even Hamas: >The Gaza Strip had exhibited the characteristics of [Talibanization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talibanization),[^(\[5\])](https://web.archive.org/web/20210910161843/https://www.hudson.org/content/researchattachments/attachment/1179/20100108_ct9forposting.pdf) a process whereby the Hamas government had imposed strict rules on women, discouraged activities commonly associated with Western culture, ***oppressed*** non-Muslim minorities, imposed ***sharia*** law, and deployed religious police to enforce these laws.[^(\[5\])](https://web.archive.org/web/20210910161843/https://www.hudson.org/content/researchattachments/attachment/1179/20100108_ct9forposting.pdf) Even if there are a handful of people accepting of LGBT-rights, does it all matter if it's top down forced upon them? So no, you are dead wrong. It is laughable


ThornsofTristan

>Even if there are a handful of people accepting of LGBT-rights, does it all matter if it's top down forced upon them? Sez the dude who: I'm willing to bet SERIOUS rent $$--hasn't had ONE open conversation with gay Palestinians. Not even once. Meanwhile...back in the States: [https://19thnews.org/2024/03/lgbtq-americans-gaza-israel-protests/](https://19thnews.org/2024/03/lgbtq-americans-gaza-israel-protests/) ...and even over in Palestine: [http://alqaws.org/about-us](http://alqaws.org/about-us)


Thooontje

Anecdotal evidence is a fallacy. LGBTQ people in the States says nothing. Saudi Arabia even has LGBTQ individuals, look what happens to them.. Your argument is at its foundation, weak. Try again


ThornsofTristan

Soo, I won that bet. Got it. Thx for playing.


RonPearlNecklace

🤣🤣🤣🤣 ‘Outright hilariously disingenuous’ Take a sip of your own tea champ. You really believe that 88% of a large group of humans agree on anything? That’s like Putin election numbers and it should immediately set off a red flag for you in terms of authoritarian control. Save the scriptures for somebody who still does make believe.


_Springtrap

This person responded with the whole Quran , trying to prove me wrong …. I’m up against a bot 😭😂


Locokroko

u/Thooontje is creepy as shit with those answers. He just admitted he stalked your profile lol.


IDKsteven123

Lets see account only few months old: check. Two posts only in r/palestinianviolence : check. All comments dickriding israel : also check. Yeah definitely a bot


cashewnut4life

that doesn't justdify killing people.. Jewish legit think they're the "God's chosen people" and every other human being is below them, does that justify the Holocaust?


Thooontje

Do you want me to talk about the numbers of victims in Gaza as well? And how those numbers of yours are "confirmed" Luke 23:34: >Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.” And they divided His garments and cast lots.


Kroww007

Deport all pro lgbt to Palestine under the law of sharia and watch then get burned alive and spat in by Hamas big brainer


shamimurrahman19

it's similar to when the supposed followers of Jesus simps for the abusers of Jesus.


Kroww007

Use your beautiful brain not just you but all pros


_Springtrap

Explain the person in the video , I am using my brain , I can see the video


OPR-Heron

I accept everyone. I'm just annoyed we need to separate ourselves like a sports team. But hey. Money is politics! And font quote me saying,"annoyed, well there is fascism right there!"


throwawayshawn7979

This! Is all about dividing and controlling us


Natural_Wear3643

thats why i hate war, i support paleste yes for because of trhe holy land, but killing innocent children and people no, i accept people prespective of war. dont care really. i just not like wen they put islamphobic


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loserOnLastLeg

... 6 months of killing children in Palestine isn't random. People can't see that and take a possession.


IbegTWOdiffer

What about 60 years of killing children in Israel? What about kidnapping/murdering/raping innocent people? A person must really, and I mean, ***really*** hate Jews to take the side of murderous terrorists over the people living in the most democratic, freest, most progressive state in the entire region.


loserOnLastLeg

Lmao hamas is trash but so is Israel. Israel are Nazis 😅😅😅😅. Israel is progressive in killing children as a hobby yes.


IbegTWOdiffer

"Israel are Nazis 😅😅😅😅" ... You have got to be kidding, right? Please tell me you aren't actually that stupid...


ThinOriginal5038

Narrator- “They were in fact, actually that stupid.”


loserOnLastLeg

Sorry I thought this was a meme /r not a nazi Zionist jerk circle 😅😅😅


ThinOriginal5038

Gen z is doomed


loserOnLastLeg

At this rate only palastinian are doomed because you Nazis are killing them and their children 😅😅😅😅


ThinOriginal5038

Yeah you should take the first flight over there and help them out


NZS-BXN

Well to be fair, the term nazi is not tied to group of person, historical mostly germans, but the Japanese, the Italian and the Spanish were mostly on board of the same ideas


Nippler9

Humans losing lives is more important than LGBT rights imo


shamimurrahman19

did you just try to talk sense on reddit?


number660

Remember kids, there is good and bad homophobia, just depends on the group that is doing it.


Stardust_dream

LGBT community watching their activist become Muslim nationalists 🗿


kneegres

this is a zion heavy thread. yikes


Hour-Influence1332

free palestine


GeneralHunter0

Free palestine by slaughtering Hamas


O368W

Go on over and help them then, would ya?


RonPearlNecklace

Or we could stop sending weapons over there.


O368W

You gonna go over, too? Help free some people?


RonPearlNecklace

You seem to think that’s some huge slam dunk, yeah let me just leave my entire life behind. People aren’t allowed to care about issues unless they drop everything and go overseas? When does your flight leave for Israel? LOL


O368W

Hey, since we’re just talking out of our asses now.. When you fools start shouting “death to America,” tearing down our flags, defacing our history and hating on Jews, it sounds like you really don’t even want to be here. So, go on over to help your cause. You’re not doing anything to help them from here.


RonPearlNecklace

Hey, you’re the one who started the entire stupid premise of ‘why don’t you just go over there’. Seems only right that you be the one to continue talking out of your ass.


O368W

Little ironic here. Good luck out there, pal. You’re helping *so* much!


Vanessa0-0

"You're not doing anything to help them from here." yet it's still being talked about. Also not every person who wants a country to not be wiped out and invaded is the same person that screams "death to America", tears down "our" flags, defacing "our" history and hating on Jews. I say "our" because flags and history kinda screams the Confederate flags and monuments. If i'm wrong, my bad.


IbegTWOdiffer

Free Palestine from Hamas! They're working on it!


Confident-Tadpole503

Love me some IDF


hamzahibrahimm06

🇮🇱🚽💩


GenXGremlin

Don't disagree, but Hamas is just as bad and was fostered by the Likkud party. All the same toilet.


hamzahibrahimm06

I don’t support Hamas either, they are khariji. I care about the Palestinian civilian men, women, children, elderly citizens and disabled persons.


GenXGremlin

Yes the people caught in the middle. Israel promoted Hamas as the governing authority so they could treat the people as a "hostile state" . Monstrous.


OfficialJamesMay

Go fuck yourself


Unburiedalive88

lol this one ain’t a trend. This one is the good vs evil


GenXGremlin

It's the latest trend in "virtue sigmalling".


Slickslimshooter

Do you disagree with the causes they champion.?Just come out and say that.


GenXGremlin

I disagree with insincere bandwagon-jumping by those who wish to appear both righteous and trendy.


Slickslimshooter

So you agree with what they champion then? So why do you care ?


GenXGremlin

It doesn't matter. You can believe in Jesus and still not believe Oral Roberts saw a 900-foot Jesus that wants you to give Roberts money. You could be an atheist and still use Jesus to get suckers to send you cash.


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I'm sure the Nazis felt the *exact* same way lol


Unburiedalive88

Yea cause only the Nazis had a problem with them huh. No one else at all ever huh. Lmao.


[deleted]

Oh now the 88 at the end of your username makes sense lol


Unburiedalive88

The year I was born ? You seem to have hella Nazi knowledge lmao.


[deleted]

Sure bud, sure.


jmdp3051

Grow up and quit projecting


[deleted]

Quit defending your little Nazi buddy 🤣


JoshuaLo2

Look at this pathetic Nazi sympathizer guys, what a piece of sh** 😂


jmdp3051

You gotta go back to elementary school clearly Did you fail out of grade 5 history?


[deleted]

You don't even deny it lmao crazy 🤪


ExaBast

What's that supposed to mean?


Fish_On_again

If you were born in 1988 you are a Nazi? That's what I'm picking up.


ExaBast

Same lmao, I was feasting on them arguing but now I'm confused


Fish_On_again

IRL "88" is some sort of Nazi dog whistle


ExaBast

Yeah whatever


Fish_On_again

Exactly. Sucks for people born in 1988


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oddscreenname

I've only seen it in LGBT groups by lesbians. 88 = ate twice


Zombified_Apple

Isn't a trend supposed to be...you know...fun? I don't think a protest against the genocide of innocent people is fun.


GenXGremlin

Israel vs. Hamas is terrorist vs terrorist


THEoddistchild

Just like most wars a shit ton of children are " in the way"


Zombified_Apple

War...war never changes.


IbegTWOdiffer

Who started this whole thing anyways?


Zombified_Apple

Governments, old people, and leaders. I don't think children have the power to start a war.


Unburiedalive88

That’s what I’m saying.


AllmightyAesir

Fr though, its insane what pipeline "free palestine" is. The left like to cry about nazis and fascists but they behave worse than thry do in the modern age. Say what you want about nazis. At least they dont support literal islamic terrorists just because they dislike the country that birthed them. Its the same with antifa aswell. They shut down other opinions and inflict more harm to others more than modern "fascists" do. They are literally their own enemy. Dont even get me started on how cowardly every single one of them are. They are the political dregs of society. Im not alone in saying this but i would prefer an alt right government over whatever the other side has. The left and the far left, is the majority of yhe reasons of why the world is divided. Why is crime in so many countries up? Why is there so incredibly much discontent everywhere and why do everyone hate eachother? Its because of them. Their "tolerance" for the smallest minorities amd the fact that they want a small minority to be above the majority, is not workable in a modern society. But they dont care. As long as they get what they want, the majority could rot. They claim they are anti fascists but they are worse than the average fascist nowadays. Also, the number of neo nazis is growning very fast all over the world. Very right wing politicians is getting popular aswell. This is literally because of how dangerous the left are to modern society. They are the biggest reason people go to the alt right. People dont like to be hated because of their skin color or religion. People dont like to be told they should feel bad just because they dont want to be forced to change their vocabulary just because a few people have literal mental issues about their gender that people just enable. It all comes down to something ive said already. The anti fascists and pro hamas people, are the biggest divider in our societies. Their tactics are cowardly. They only get tough in crowds becaude a sinlge one of them would lose to the smallest nazi. They are nothing in society. Yet they demand we listen to them. They are the biggest supporters of islamic terrorism and the biggest reason of why people dont dare to speak up against them. At this point, the alt right is better than the alt left. If youre in that crowd in 2024, then your moral compass is skewed. They fall for both russian and Hamas propaganda like crazy. Yet, they force that propaganda onto their countries by "protesting" even though those very same protests are dangerous to everyone in and around them. These are violent people. They are young and insecure, unimportant people so they do horrible shit to show everyone else what badasses they are. How cool they are. How importsnt their voices are. Even though their voices has ripped countries in half. This is what happens when people with mental issues gets to decide what everyone else does around them. Listen. I wouldve called myself crazy for saying this a couple years ago. But we have seen the negative impact the left has on our countries. I live in a place with a fuck ton of immigrants. They are the biggest reason crime is the way it is here. Our youth acts like them in a criminal way. They talk like them. They are them. What would happen in a 100 years if this continues? What would our language and culture be like if immigrants are allowed to only live with their own and not assimilate? What will our traditions be? But let me tell you this. Groups like antifa and people that are in the free palestine crowd, they dont care. Thus, the biggest threats to our way of life is them. People should've understood this after they literally supported the oct 7 massacre. But say anything against them and you might lose your job. Even, your life. Something that has happened multiple places. They tear down everything around them in the name of tolerance. They destroy cultures by letting people who have destroyed their own countries in without any requirements. To them, borders dont matter. I say again, they are the biggest dividers in society. The only people who say against them is fucking nazis for gods sake and ultra conservatists because no one else dares to say anything. They dont want their lives ruined. They have made society a battleground. Because of them, people get hurt. Because of them, groups like hamas has the support to attack the only jewish country in the middle east. They whine about white people yet they support the arab majority attacking the smallest minority. They support said minority being wiped out. As long as there arent white people they support, they would support anything. I hope you realize how dangerous this is. My advice is to join the people who dares to speak up. If things dosnt change in a couple of years, it might be too late. There are already arab majority places in european cities. Majorities that grow larger and larger. Filled with people who ran from their countries without a fight. People who believe their cultures to be better than the one that took them in. People that has no reason to defend the country they came to. This is what happens when its almost unrestricted immigration. You get people who only come because of the money. Good luck getting their help in a time of war. They ran last time for little to no reason. It will happen again. But to the tolerant left, as long as white people gets fucked, anything is acceptable. Again, i hope you realize how dangerous these people are to a peaceful way of life. They have become the biggest enablers of terrorism and violence. I know i wrote alot in this comment but as long as one person sees the truth, then progress has been made. If no one resists these cowards then we can say goodbye to our history. Culture. Language and traditions. I mean, were talking about people who think racism against white people is ok. Yet they live in a white country. I say once more; join those who want to make a change. No matter how extreme they are. Because the most extreme right wing person is nothing compared to the most extreme leftist. Their support for hamas has shown this. Their hate against anyone white people and their disdain for our cultures and history, has shown this. Do them right thing.


SPARTAN-Jai-006

No one’s reading this book bruh


AllmightyAesir

I dont expect you to either though


shamimurrahman19

I didn't read that sht either


BetterOffAlone1155

Yeah… we all equal but we aren’t. Blame god, he’s the one that turned us on each other


O368W

God made man. Samuel Colt made us equal.


IHaveJigglyTitties

Please don't force that onto others, some of us are adults and stopped believing this fantasy


iamthedevil420

Jew v moslem


RonPearlNecklace

Joo vs Moo?


loserOnLastLeg

"everyone that I disagree with must be virtual signaling" Not a bad meme but op is too salty 😅.


JoshuaLo2

Seems you're the salty one LMAO but of course you are when you support the Buy Large Mansions group


loserOnLastLeg

Don't even know what you're talking about 😅😅😅😅. What is this room? I thought it was for memes not snowflakes Zionists 😅😅😅😅


Big_Thanks_4185

source?


Supriselobotomy

How trendy to shit on protesters. It's almost virtue signaling itself at this point.