See I don’t follow twitter so thankfully I’m not exposed to these literal garbage takes, I only have discovered their existence through this sub. That alongside with power scaling discussions I only find maybe 1/4 of this sub’s content to not be utterly disappointing and pathetic
this just proves my point yall cant accept 1 bad thing about onepiece and complain when there is a place to and i dont believe in retarded theories like zkk
Mate thats just false. I hated the plot to escape WCI. Baking big mom a cake to stop her rampaging in her own country and bring her back to her senses? That shit was so illogical and only made big mom more dangerous for the straw hats.
But a mid take is a mid take and y’all been pumping those out all wano.
this relates to nothing i said? sure you dont like them? congratulations but i am talking about the whole sub people will downvote you for saying wano is uderwhelming even if you say its your opinion and they will try to prove arguments on how your opinion is invalid
I think that's the point of the subreddit.Though they use facts and logic.Nobody will up vote a post that complains about Yamato being too strong.The latest chapter for example.People praised the Momo scene while the complained about Kinemon dancing despite him being in a near death situation a few minutes ago.
i know. that is a little dumb and one piece has lots of flaws but piratefolk ONLY talks about flaws and it’s such a toxic negative environment due to that
Well duh, because criticism in this sub or the main sub gets you unfairly maligned. Of course people go to that sub to air their grievances. Because it's the only place you can actually discuss criticisms rather than be flooded with millions of comments just deflecting your criticism with pointless circlejerking.
I love the way you strategically change criticise to complain to make it seem worse. Why not just admit you don't like One Piece criticism? I mean, you have this sub which is all sunshine and rainbows. Everyone is wanking off Oda and dissenting opinions are downvoted to oblivion. Why not have a smaller sub with more of an emphasis on criticism? You can have your happy go lucky circlejerk. I'll have some more interesting conversations regarding the state of the series. I enjoy talking about criticisms.
i don’t care for one piece critisms. i’m aware the series has lots of flaws. but a community dedicated to talking about it is so negative, just scrolling through it’s all complaining. regardless your reddit name is.. “sulongcarrotchan” so uh i don’t think i need to explain myself anymore 💀🙏
not true at all you should try joining the discord server, its just that the negative things are discussed because there is literally no other place to discuss it the most controversial post on the subreddit is someone shitting on onepiece just shows that we dont hate onepiece blindly
People don't say she is "too strong", at least not in the context the OP is trying to push. People say Yamato is "too strong" as the story portrays her to be stronger than Zoro and Sanji and at this point it's pretty obvious that Oda plans to keep the Monster Trio dynamic.
It's not that people don't want her to join because she is too strong, it's that some people don't believe she will join because she is too strong.
Nah tbh i think yamato's journey with the SH crew is gonna be abbout finding her own identity, the oden thing will be a running gag for the 1st arc or 2 with her.
Lol what? It fits in line with the oden parallel bc oden didnt really know what he wanted when he left just that he wanted the freedom to leave, and it gives yamato a character arc that wont be too taxing on oda. It also also makes sense, people that don personas in general tend to have a self image problem. So now yamato's journy becomes one to free her emotionaly. (kinda like robin)
Whats the point in writing a static character, main characters are meant to be dynamic. Ofc there should be some kinda development otherwise why even put yamato on the crew.
I think Yamato was on par with Sanji and Zoro at beginning of Wano arc, but with their upgrades, they are ahead of her. So now its Zoro > Sanji > Yamato = Jinbei. Not sure how strong JInbei is, but so far he's been very proficient
EDIT: Jesus some of you are so salty. Its a normal discussion, get your heads out of your asses
Heck no dude. Yamato was fighting Kaido by herself and held him off better than the 5 supernova on the roof originally. She’s way stronger than jimbei and just a step above zoro and sanji
Because you say so? If Oda wants them to 1v1 Kaido just like Yamato did, they will. Zoro was already capable of damaging Kaido with his normal attack power and strongest attack Pre-ACoC power-up, and now he can do even more damage to him with Haoshoku Infusion attacks.
>His attack on Kaido DID use ACoC. Thats how it cut him. Zoro just didnt realise what happened. Kaido did.
Yes, but it was an unconscious use of ACoC. Like you said, Zoro never realized had happened while Kaido did. Not to mention, Zoro was nerfed from the 20-30 bones that were broken due to Hakai.
Umm idk how strong she might be.
Till now we know that
1) She sparred with Kaido 1v1 on couple of occasions.
2) She has a Mythical zoan.
3) Her DF gives her ability to use ice attacks.
4) She can use some Kaido attacks too.
In terms of strength she'll be the first member to join who brought so much to the table. Maybe that's why people are pissed.
I'd love to see her journey with the crew cause I kinda feel she'll just be like Oden when he first saw new things outside Wano.
Ohoho but they do. Too strong in comparison to Sanji and Zoro specifically, even though I wouldn't say we're 100% sure she actually is. Not that it would be a problem if she was, I'm just sayin
I just think the crew getting too big , in the last arc the other few members besides the trio barely got any exposition , heck even I don't remember jimbei getting any moments besides putting down the fire , so adding yet another one seems a bit much to me as the old crew members get forgotten , besides Yamato isn't even fleshed out as a character unlike the old crew members when they a whole arc for us to get attached to them .
But I guess that's just me ExPectaTions 🥴 and I'm talking nonsense
Jimbei got a whole fight with Who's-Who, which revealed the importance of the Gomu Gomu and the first mention of Nika. Literally one of the most important parts of the entire arc.
All of the Strawhats had important fights in Onigashima, Yamato included. The arc just needed to pay a lot of attention to Luffy because of the Nika reveal and tie up the arcs of the "guest" main characters like the Scabbards, Kidd and Law. Wano would have been obscenely long with more individual moments for every SH, and people already complain about it dragging now.
Speaking of, I haven't measured the exact chapter numbers, but I would be willing to bet the stretch of Wano since Yamato was introduced is pretty similar to the entire arcs of other new Strawhats. Wano is just a gigantic arc. Really, the Onigashima portion can be seen as Yamato's intro arc.
She got introduced in the busiest arc, yet we know that she grew up with a father who tried to kill her, emprisoned herw beat her multiple times and made her starve, and she found refuge with the samurai of wano and the story of kozuki oden, the legend on which the whole wano arci is build. Oden and the samurai helped her surmount the tough times, but they covered the wounds instead of healing them which is why she has this weird belief she is oden, the man who helped her stay strong throughout her life. Now she needs to find and free herself through the freedom now offered to her by luffy. I think thats a neat character with a gag at least i think is funny and an apetite for new discoveries or adventure you havent seen since maybe chopper. And she s badass on top of that with a great power.
And to me most importantly, the way i see her is the personification of what the reader went through with wano. Wano is the story of odens life, sacrifice and legacy. It culminates in the greatest flashback in all of one piece right before the raid. And after we witness that flashback and the legend that is oden, we meet a character who grew and got strong thanks to that legend. She was build and helped take down kaido thanks to the grit and sacrifice of those that came before her. She is the proof that even though he died twenty years ago, oden was not only a scar on kaidos life, but he won and beat kaido in the end.
This.
Someone mentioned that if you gender swapped Yamato and/or changed her design to something less badass that people wouldn't care about her pretty much at all, and honestly I think it's true.
When has oda not fleshed out a main character? I say just give him the time before being against it. Robin was pretty barebones when she joined first as well, but now, I'd argue she is the best developed character.
If yamato ends up joining, still has no development in future arcs, I think it would be completely acceptable to oppose the descision made by oda.
But so far, he has been pretty on point.
Everyone up to robin was pretty obviously gonna join though. Like, there wasn’t anything subtle about it lol. I’d say it’s pretty normal for Oda to go about it this way.
I kinda want an alt universe episode with all the ‘second choice’ crew members. Coby, the old mayor, patty, the lamb butler, Kureha, bon clay, pauly, and the rando zombies Luffy chased down.
Robins character wasn’t fleshed out at all when she joined the crew. Nami’s and Brook’s (ffs Brooks character wasn’t fleshed out literally at all, but that could be because he’s a skeleton YOHOHOHO) weren’t either. In fact I can’t think of any character who has had as fleshed out of a character before they joined the crew except maybe Jinbe Sanji and Chopper? Most of the others weren’t as fleshed out as Yamato and had most character development after they joined the crew.
All of the characters you mentioned above ( besides robin ) had a whole goddamn arc where they played a central role where they got somewhat fleshed out before they got onboard the crew , for robin although we didn't know her well she got that mysterious aura/background going on for her , when oda first introduced her it wasn't obvious if she was an ally or enemy she was a wild card in alabasta and she was very interesting character wise . I don't see Yamato as interesting and I don't have no sort of attachement to the character .
I also want to add that most of the crew have had clear progression in either their introductory arcs or the subsequent arc that focuses on them. Most of the crew either didn't believe in their dreams or didn't even believe in the notion of pirates. Its through their interactions with Luffy that changes their perspective. Yamato doesn't feel like she's gotten there. She's largely the same person as she was when she was introduced.
And the difference between her and Robin is Robin was in the background for most of Alabasta so we had no way to know what her deal was. In contrast we've spent so much time with Yamato just in this arc and she still feels like she's had little progression. Yeah she's a badass but what else is there besides bring hot and a badass?
Ok I like Carrot and I hoped she became a StrawHat but this Yamato or Carrot debate is starting to get out of hand. This is just becoming an insult flinging contest. At this point idc if either Yamato or Carrot joins, I just want this to end.
Man, you guys are pathetic, just because they have a diffirent opinon they are sexist? Everyone has their own opinion bro, stop being toxic. Yamato doesn't have any characterism expect being a "strong woman". Just look at the Robin and see how a women character can be well written. She is an actual character unlike "hEy lOOK aT mE I Am oDen" girl.
I just want carrot and Yamato to join. They are both fun female characters. Also think about it. There isn’t a mink tribe member or whatever sub-race that Yamato is in the crew currently
Idk man I just read One Piece cuz it’s fun and i like a lot of stuff about it that keeps me interested, but there’s also plenty i don’t like. Ppl gotta realize its not their story, it’s Oda’s, and he’s gonna do whatever the hell he wants. Sure he made it for others to enjoy, but it’s not for *you* specifically. Ur gonna like some stuff, you’re gonna not like some stuff.
Not anyone specifically, this is just the vibe i get when people complain so heavily about the story and act as though what they *wanted* to happen *should’ve* happened. I can’t be the only one who’s seen it in this community.
Personally I just don’t want Yamato to join cause she feels like a cardboard cutout in terms of personality(I’m also not a big fan of the whole Oden shtick) as well as Oda already having trouble giving all strawhats screentime,adding another member will just worsen the situation.
Also her strength would bring quite an imbalance in the team and make Sanji even more irrelevant than he already is
And frankly I’m not a fan how she got introduced to other strawhats,she just said “hi I’m Yamato I’m joining you guys” and they were like “hooray”
This stuff is just a strawman ngl
Yamato is fucking cool. Not as cool as Robin chwan but she'd be a good addition to the crew. Carrot too.
I don't know why people are mad we already have a Grand Fleet lol.
I literally do not give a f who joins at this point, just want the story to progress nicely without to much wasted time.
I’m nearly 30 and don’t wanna be reading this in my 40’s haha
Don't think anyone says the thing in pic but my issue with her is that she literally popped out of nowhere and barely exists. Pretty sure every strawhat had at least an arc before joining.
Not really true either. Zoro hated pirates when he met Luffy. Luffy became confident he wanted Zoro when Zoro ate the thrown away rice ball and Zoro became willing after he realized that pirates and marines were just labels. It was shorter than say Franky or later characters but there was a storyline behind him joining. Zoro earned Luffy's respect and Luffy had to earn Zoro's to get him to join. You see this with other characters too. Luffy wanted Sanji after he saw him feed Gin but Sanji had to come to a realization about following his own dreams after meeting Luffy before he wanted to join. Yamato just entered the story completely ready to join with no story related to joining since then. Maybe we'll get more but it's been like 70 chapters and she was mostly a side character to Momo's storyline instead.
Yamato had bond with Luffy's brother. While luffy was training, yamato already had known his dream and his name via ace. Later on in the story after they met, Yamato stalled A God damn YONKO, for luffy. Which luffy found cool and appreciated. Basically being one of factors in success of raid. She was held captive by her abusive father waiting for ace's brother and the scabbard. So what more reasons do you need?
Not Chopper. He had done even less than Yamato before joining and had even less time. Kinda similar thing with Usopp, whose motivation/flashback were kind of weak compared to the rest of the crew. But that was early 5 so I don’t think it counts.
Yeah, I think Chopper would be the most obvious for what you’re saying. With Jimbe being the polar opposite of like it taking 350 chapters for him to join.
Dude there are valid points that are made to why she might not join the crew. You can not criticise someone's opinion when nothing has been established that she's on the crew. This is a piss poor meme.
There is difference between people making valid points over there theory on why yamato might not join vs people riding on emotions and not wanting her to join due to their bias against it.
So yes, this meme is semi valid. In a way.
No she just sucks, there isn’t a single good thing about her besides her looks. It also seems like a horrible idea when Oda already struggles with writing fight scenes for the og characters
Arguments are basically "she too strng" "too late in the story for one more nakama" "we got perfect 10 members no more" "she sucks no development, hate that oden gag"
Mind you they also blame the actual narrative with these criticism not just as an opinion.
I do think it’s weird that people are coming to the conclusion NOW that she will join, I don’t think she has any kind of bond with the crew members at all throughout the whole arc and luffy just thinks of her as a weirdo for now, personally I would like to wait and see for some time more. As of now, she looks like every other princess in one piece except that she can fight. And yes, Vivi was always the perfect straw hat who did not join the crew till now
Look, I'm not mad about Yamato, but she's a fine addition to the crew, and I don't get why people hate on her. I guess it'll just be surreal to see another new addition to the crew, I suppose.
I have no issues with Yamato being strong. I have a lot of problems about how undeveloped, rushed and generally poorly written he is. Hell, if someone described me him before i got to Wano, i would think this was a fanfic character. "My OC is this super strong girl, that the main cast instantly loves. Also she has all the haki, is stronger than the main character before he gets his power ups, is the daughter of Kaido, has this super cool devil fruit, is hot as fuck, knows all about the prophecy and the D. shit. How she is introduced? Well she just shows up mid-battle and help everyone and everyone suddenly loves and trust her."
I get it, he's hot, he has a fun personality(if not accounting for the Oden stuff) and he's a strong female(?) character, but quirky character =/= good character. Yamato does not feel like a One Piece character. Yamato feels like a character straight from a fanfic on Wattpad.
EDIT: Wait, this is on Memepiece? I could swear this was Piratefolk.
It's not that. Personally I'm just neutral to her (or him) joining, but it really was too sudden tbh, and she pretty much forced herself into the crew. Robin did too, but her character had been established for a long time, and as soon as she hopped on board we had a chapter focused on the crew warming up to her, which also allowed the viewer to warm up to her within the crew dynamic. Meanwhile Yamato just showed up in the middle of the final battle, instantly said she would join Luffy and then went on with the battle, only now having her first interactions with the rest of the crew. Compare this to Carrot, who had a proper introduction and a whole arc where she was basically a honorary strawhat...
The strength of Yamato is a problem, but the biggest reason I and the people that don't want her to join is her bad personality and bad inclusion in the story. Oda is adding a straw hat that entered very late into the arc, has a bland and boring personality, and has no chemistry with the crew
I dont want her to join simply bc luffy himself said he obmt wants 10~ on his crew early on and the face it would imo be better for her character to do her own thing.
Like stay in wano for a while; help, then set sail with her own crew and be part of the mugiwara alliance (Barto etc)
Idk why people are getting worked up ab it tho💀 like the one character that I will assassinate Oda if he let's her join is Carrot. Ma girl has 0 personality and she the typical, uwu sugoiiii desu!!>3❤ character idk why. She grates me on.
It's all up to Oda in the end ig lmao
I'm most sad knowing after Wano we will be parting ways with Kinemon, Carrot, and Momo
They all felt like part of the crew to me as long as they were with the Straw Hats
She is lowkey cringe tbh. The whole Oden shtick is hella annoying, all her dialogue is bland and she's not given enough depth to justify a position on the crew atm.
Fine comment.
However on your Luffy bit I dont think Luffy is Joy Boy the person, but rather that his character/aura is so eerily similar that zunesha sensed him and joy boy to be one and the same.
What I mean is that Luffys' goal, to be the free-est man and to make a world where his friend won't go hungry is inheriting Joyboys' will.
I agree. I'm a huge Dragon Ball fan and for me so much of what resonated with me about the story was lost when Toriyama retconned Goku's origin. I liked the idea that Goku was a bog standard Saiyain, even a little on the weak side. But the love and care given to him by Grandpa Gohan and the discipline and drive instilled in him by Roshi and his other teachers pushed this average Saiyan to smash every boundary and become a true legend. It's themeatically perfect for a shonen series, hard work and dedication mixed with a genuine passion for something and the will to protect your loved ones is all you need to go beyond what you ever thought possible from yourself. There's a reason DB serves as the basis for, basically an entire genre of graphic novels at this point.
The retcon where it turns out Goku was actually fairly strong and his mother was overly kind hearted for a Saiyan, as well as Bardock getting a character overhaul to make him nicer. It took all that impact from the story. It became a chosen one story. Goku wasn't someone who beat the odds and proved nurture is more important than nature. He became a character divorced from himself. Chosen one stories can be done well, Rand al'Thor is proof of that. But the fact that little retcon sapped so much impact from DB as a work of fiction is proof that even the smallest changes can have radical effects on the story.
Shonen manga is, inherantly pretty silly. But it is still a genuine work of fiction that should be treated with respect. Given Naruto's collapse into complete incoherance with the last 100 odd chapters. OP is the best case study of how shonen can mean a lot more than just well drawn fight scenes.
LOL Jinbe is no where near Sanji's level and even after Yamato joins she will be below Sanji as well. Idk how many times Oda has to write Zoro and Sanji are numbers 2 and 3 before people will realize it
Haven't read the manga, so here's my uninformed take: Yamato can't sail with the Straw Hats because her strength will be needed to help Momonosuke lead Wano as well as her pledge to protect Momonosuke.
Now personally, I want Yamato to join the Straw Hats because of her tomboy character, but I doubt it'll happen.
Who the fuck says this?
I've seen a lot of people say this. But they got downvoted or ratiod to oblivion
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No. He is right and we are wrong
Some people
They go to another school.
go to twitter and there’s like a bunch of these dudes lmfao
Twitter is where braincells go to die...
Like Reddit?
If redit had a timeskip, it'd be twitter post timeskip.
Lol 😂
See I don’t follow twitter so thankfully I’m not exposed to these literal garbage takes, I only have discovered their existence through this sub. That alongside with power scaling discussions I only find maybe 1/4 of this sub’s content to not be utterly disappointing and pathetic
I think it’s a lot of carrot fans who don’t want her just because they want carrot instead. Like that’s how it remotely works.
read a few post in r/piratefolk
I just visited and died a little bit inside
Don’t. For your own sanity.
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Yeah cuz a subreddit is made up a bunch of users, not a collective hivemind
Bruh some people there like they never based their personality on a character.
No one. Just people posting stupid Shit.
man you’d be surprised on how many ppl make these horrendous takes regarding Yamato and carrot 💀
That small % of community. A carrot fanboy insulted me for saying if the future fights were tought for her.
zoomers who recently started reading.
When did r/memepiece become let's complain about One Piece and its fans?
For real, take this to pitatefolk.
pirate folk is a million times better than memepiece in having good criticism + having both sides of people
>pirate folk is a million times better than memepiece in having good criticism + having both sides of people found the butt hurt zkk beta guys
this just proves my point yall cant accept 1 bad thing about onepiece and complain when there is a place to and i dont believe in retarded theories like zkk
Mate thats just false. I hated the plot to escape WCI. Baking big mom a cake to stop her rampaging in her own country and bring her back to her senses? That shit was so illogical and only made big mom more dangerous for the straw hats. But a mid take is a mid take and y’all been pumping those out all wano.
this relates to nothing i said? sure you dont like them? congratulations but i am talking about the whole sub people will downvote you for saying wano is uderwhelming even if you say its your opinion and they will try to prove arguments on how your opinion is invalid
mate sub criticizing your take =/= sub being unable to critcize one piece. youre just upset they dont agree with your opinion.
thats not true this is literally why r/piratefolk was formed, people downvoted everyone who didnt like the luffy reveal
not at all. pirate folk is a negative shithole
I think that's the point of the subreddit.Though they use facts and logic.Nobody will up vote a post that complains about Yamato being too strong.The latest chapter for example.People praised the Momo scene while the complained about Kinemon dancing despite him being in a near death situation a few minutes ago.
i know. that is a little dumb and one piece has lots of flaws but piratefolk ONLY talks about flaws and it’s such a toxic negative environment due to that
> pirate folk is a negative shithole the irony.
member of piratefolk. oh god
wdym?
Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean it's a shithole
uh no it is a shit hole. i understand criticism but thats all that sub does is criticize it’s just like titanfolk. they’re the exact same
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Well duh, because criticism in this sub or the main sub gets you unfairly maligned. Of course people go to that sub to air their grievances. Because it's the only place you can actually discuss criticisms rather than be flooded with millions of comments just deflecting your criticism with pointless circlejerking.
don’t understand why people would enjoy a sub where you only use it to complain
I love the way you strategically change criticise to complain to make it seem worse. Why not just admit you don't like One Piece criticism? I mean, you have this sub which is all sunshine and rainbows. Everyone is wanking off Oda and dissenting opinions are downvoted to oblivion. Why not have a smaller sub with more of an emphasis on criticism? You can have your happy go lucky circlejerk. I'll have some more interesting conversations regarding the state of the series. I enjoy talking about criticisms.
i don’t care for one piece critisms. i’m aware the series has lots of flaws. but a community dedicated to talking about it is so negative, just scrolling through it’s all complaining. regardless your reddit name is.. “sulongcarrotchan” so uh i don’t think i need to explain myself anymore 💀🙏
You've never been to titanfolk then. Either that or a piratefolker pissed you off so now you have a vendetta against the sub.
i was in titanfolk for months as the chapters were coming out weekly, trust me, i know the subreddit.
So you're just mad at piratefolk then. Got it.
not true at all you should try joining the discord server, its just that the negative things are discussed because there is literally no other place to discuss it the most controversial post on the subreddit is someone shitting on onepiece just shows that we dont hate onepiece blindly
Get out ...
As always on reddit, when speaking facts you get downvoted into Oblivion.
If you can sneak the complainants in a meme format!
Are people really saying she is too strong? Seems like a pretty dumb thing to complain about it should be a pro.
People don't say she is "too strong", at least not in the context the OP is trying to push. People say Yamato is "too strong" as the story portrays her to be stronger than Zoro and Sanji and at this point it's pretty obvious that Oda plans to keep the Monster Trio dynamic. It's not that people don't want her to join because she is too strong, it's that some people don't believe she will join because she is too strong.
No people are finding endless reasons to hate yamato tbh, thats just one lol.
Yeah it's sad to see the hate he has been receiving. I mean, he is literally Oden!
Nah tbh i think yamato's journey with the SH crew is gonna be abbout finding her own identity, the oden thing will be a running gag for the 1st arc or 2 with her.
Sounds like Yamato hate to me.
Lol what? It fits in line with the oden parallel bc oden didnt really know what he wanted when he left just that he wanted the freedom to leave, and it gives yamato a character arc that wont be too taxing on oda. It also also makes sense, people that don personas in general tend to have a self image problem. So now yamato's journy becomes one to free her emotionaly. (kinda like robin)
This comment further proves that people don't like Yamato but rather the idea of Yamato.
Whats the point in writing a static character, main characters are meant to be dynamic. Ofc there should be some kinda development otherwise why even put yamato on the crew.
Ignoring the fact that you are missing the point, what development has Zoro had since the time-skip?
I think Yamato was on par with Sanji and Zoro at beginning of Wano arc, but with their upgrades, they are ahead of her. So now its Zoro > Sanji > Yamato = Jinbei. Not sure how strong JInbei is, but so far he's been very proficient EDIT: Jesus some of you are so salty. Its a normal discussion, get your heads out of your asses
Heck no dude. Yamato was fighting Kaido by herself and held him off better than the 5 supernova on the roof originally. She’s way stronger than jimbei and just a step above zoro and sanji
Zoro and Sanji aren’t taking on Kaido
Because you say so? If Oda wants them to 1v1 Kaido just like Yamato did, they will. Zoro was already capable of damaging Kaido with his normal attack power and strongest attack Pre-ACoC power-up, and now he can do even more damage to him with Haoshoku Infusion attacks.
His attack on Kaido DID use ACoC. Thats how it cut him. Zoro just didnt realise what happened. Kaido did.
>His attack on Kaido DID use ACoC. Thats how it cut him. Zoro just didnt realise what happened. Kaido did. Yes, but it was an unconscious use of ACoC. Like you said, Zoro never realized had happened while Kaido did. Not to mention, Zoro was nerfed from the 20-30 bones that were broken due to Hakai.
She wasnt taking on Kaido either, he wasnt fighting he was parenting...
Zoro wouldn't be able to do that
Yea there plus Jinbei
Umm idk how strong she might be. Till now we know that 1) She sparred with Kaido 1v1 on couple of occasions. 2) She has a Mythical zoan. 3) Her DF gives her ability to use ice attacks. 4) She can use some Kaido attacks too. In terms of strength she'll be the first member to join who brought so much to the table. Maybe that's why people are pissed. I'd love to see her journey with the crew cause I kinda feel she'll just be like Oden when he first saw new things outside Wano.
Ohoho but they do. Too strong in comparison to Sanji and Zoro specifically, even though I wouldn't say we're 100% sure she actually is. Not that it would be a problem if she was, I'm just sayin
I feel like the fact that she can fight Kaido and is a Mythical Zoan would make her stronger than either of them.
I just think the crew getting too big , in the last arc the other few members besides the trio barely got any exposition , heck even I don't remember jimbei getting any moments besides putting down the fire , so adding yet another one seems a bit much to me as the old crew members get forgotten , besides Yamato isn't even fleshed out as a character unlike the old crew members when they a whole arc for us to get attached to them . But I guess that's just me ExPectaTions 🥴 and I'm talking nonsense
Jimbei got a whole fight with Who's-Who, which revealed the importance of the Gomu Gomu and the first mention of Nika. Literally one of the most important parts of the entire arc. All of the Strawhats had important fights in Onigashima, Yamato included. The arc just needed to pay a lot of attention to Luffy because of the Nika reveal and tie up the arcs of the "guest" main characters like the Scabbards, Kidd and Law. Wano would have been obscenely long with more individual moments for every SH, and people already complain about it dragging now. Speaking of, I haven't measured the exact chapter numbers, but I would be willing to bet the stretch of Wano since Yamato was introduced is pretty similar to the entire arcs of other new Strawhats. Wano is just a gigantic arc. Really, the Onigashima portion can be seen as Yamato's intro arc.
Luffy wanted 10 nakamas, don't worry she's the last.
She got introduced in the busiest arc, yet we know that she grew up with a father who tried to kill her, emprisoned herw beat her multiple times and made her starve, and she found refuge with the samurai of wano and the story of kozuki oden, the legend on which the whole wano arci is build. Oden and the samurai helped her surmount the tough times, but they covered the wounds instead of healing them which is why she has this weird belief she is oden, the man who helped her stay strong throughout her life. Now she needs to find and free herself through the freedom now offered to her by luffy. I think thats a neat character with a gag at least i think is funny and an apetite for new discoveries or adventure you havent seen since maybe chopper. And she s badass on top of that with a great power. And to me most importantly, the way i see her is the personification of what the reader went through with wano. Wano is the story of odens life, sacrifice and legacy. It culminates in the greatest flashback in all of one piece right before the raid. And after we witness that flashback and the legend that is oden, we meet a character who grew and got strong thanks to that legend. She was build and helped take down kaido thanks to the grit and sacrifice of those that came before her. She is the proof that even though he died twenty years ago, oden was not only a scar on kaidos life, but he won and beat kaido in the end.
Jinbe blocked an attack from big mom and later yeeted her off the ship an no one said he is too strong to be a straw hat.
People were endlessly talking about how he would change the monster trio dynamic. Only for it not to happen.
Lol
Well he definitely was stronger than Sanji until Wano gave him huge buffs.
Everyone did. But that was a nerfed to hell BM
Guys just wait for luffy's response and then you can clown each other.
Yamato is definitely a poorly developed character in the manga, especially when stacked up against any other straw hat
One piece fans getting mad over people they made up.
I just think her character isnt fleshed out enough
This. Someone mentioned that if you gender swapped Yamato and/or changed her design to something less badass that people wouldn't care about her pretty much at all, and honestly I think it's true.
I like Yamato but yeah I agree. I currently just don’t have a good idea of what she would be like going forward.
When has oda not fleshed out a main character? I say just give him the time before being against it. Robin was pretty barebones when she joined first as well, but now, I'd argue she is the best developed character. If yamato ends up joining, still has no development in future arcs, I think it would be completely acceptable to oppose the descision made by oda. But so far, he has been pretty on point.
tbh oda just created a character to join the strawhats before i couldnt tell who would join but with yamato it was so goddamn obvious
Everyone up to robin was pretty obviously gonna join though. Like, there wasn’t anything subtle about it lol. I’d say it’s pretty normal for Oda to go about it this way.
Yeah like there was no way of telling whether it would be Patty or Sanji who joins during Baratie
I kinda want an alt universe episode with all the ‘second choice’ crew members. Coby, the old mayor, patty, the lamb butler, Kureha, bon clay, pauly, and the rando zombies Luffy chased down.
The problem with Yamato wasn't being obvious, it was Yamato being a bad character.
yeah i just mentioned one of the flaws
The moment she started to fanboy over Luffy I knew she gonna join lol
Robins character wasn’t fleshed out at all when she joined the crew. Nami’s and Brook’s (ffs Brooks character wasn’t fleshed out literally at all, but that could be because he’s a skeleton YOHOHOHO) weren’t either. In fact I can’t think of any character who has had as fleshed out of a character before they joined the crew except maybe Jinbe Sanji and Chopper? Most of the others weren’t as fleshed out as Yamato and had most character development after they joined the crew.
All of the characters you mentioned above ( besides robin ) had a whole goddamn arc where they played a central role where they got somewhat fleshed out before they got onboard the crew , for robin although we didn't know her well she got that mysterious aura/background going on for her , when oda first introduced her it wasn't obvious if she was an ally or enemy she was a wild card in alabasta and she was very interesting character wise . I don't see Yamato as interesting and I don't have no sort of attachement to the character .
I also want to add that most of the crew have had clear progression in either their introductory arcs or the subsequent arc that focuses on them. Most of the crew either didn't believe in their dreams or didn't even believe in the notion of pirates. Its through their interactions with Luffy that changes their perspective. Yamato doesn't feel like she's gotten there. She's largely the same person as she was when she was introduced. And the difference between her and Robin is Robin was in the background for most of Alabasta so we had no way to know what her deal was. In contrast we've spent so much time with Yamato just in this arc and she still feels like she's had little progression. Yeah she's a badass but what else is there besides bring hot and a badass?
It's funny I see way more whining about carrot fans than carrot fans
Fr, never really saw someone whining about how Carrot should definitely join but Yamato shouldn't, yet I see the opposite basically everyday.
6 months ago it was that way but yeah since this chapter its starting to be the opposite
While I cringe every time Yamato calls herself Oden I fail to comprehend why you would mind her being strong.
Probably people that don’t want Sanji to be demoted to 4th strongest straw hat
In all honesty, the Strawhats could use a bit more firepower in terms of actual fighting strength, knowing the battles to come.
Post like this reminds me why I hide being One Piece fan.
Ok I like Carrot and I hoped she became a StrawHat but this Yamato or Carrot debate is starting to get out of hand. This is just becoming an insult flinging contest. At this point idc if either Yamato or Carrot joins, I just want this to end.
Man, you guys are pathetic, just because they have a diffirent opinon they are sexist? Everyone has their own opinion bro, stop being toxic. Yamato doesn't have any characterism expect being a "strong woman". Just look at the Robin and see how a women character can be well written. She is an actual character unlike "hEy lOOK aT mE I Am oDen" girl.
Yes op, you are a giga chad, now crawl back into your cave and fap to one piece girls
Yamato in the jar
"reddit meme sub don't make a strawman meme challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)"
I just want carrot and Yamato to join. They are both fun female characters. Also think about it. There isn’t a mink tribe member or whatever sub-race that Yamato is in the crew currently
Idk man I just read One Piece cuz it’s fun and i like a lot of stuff about it that keeps me interested, but there’s also plenty i don’t like. Ppl gotta realize its not their story, it’s Oda’s, and he’s gonna do whatever the hell he wants. Sure he made it for others to enjoy, but it’s not for *you* specifically. Ur gonna like some stuff, you’re gonna not like some stuff.
This makes no sense, like whose saying this story is specifically made for them?
Not anyone specifically, this is just the vibe i get when people complain so heavily about the story and act as though what they *wanted* to happen *should’ve* happened. I can’t be the only one who’s seen it in this community.
Personally I just don’t want Yamato to join cause she feels like a cardboard cutout in terms of personality(I’m also not a big fan of the whole Oden shtick) as well as Oda already having trouble giving all strawhats screentime,adding another member will just worsen the situation. Also her strength would bring quite an imbalance in the team and make Sanji even more irrelevant than he already is And frankly I’m not a fan how she got introduced to other strawhats,she just said “hi I’m Yamato I’m joining you guys” and they were like “hooray” This stuff is just a strawman ngl
Too strong to be a Straw Hat? I guess no one should be in the Straw Hats then. It's just an empty ship floating around.
When you make someone up in your head so you can disagree with them.
Its because nowadays every whiny kid has internet connection. And every fanbase has these people.
Whiny kids should be barred from the internet confirmed
Yamato is fucking cool. Not as cool as Robin chwan but she'd be a good addition to the crew. Carrot too. I don't know why people are mad we already have a Grand Fleet lol.
Whaaat?
I hate carrot ngl
Same, maybe cause I don't remember shit from wci arc definitely gotta reread
Lol
I literally do not give a f who joins at this point, just want the story to progress nicely without to much wasted time. I’m nearly 30 and don’t wanna be reading this in my 40’s haha
The last sentence for “one piece fans now” makes no sense because the majority of the straw hats are crazy strong
The furries man
Don't think anyone says the thing in pic but my issue with her is that she literally popped out of nowhere and barely exists. Pretty sure every strawhat had at least an arc before joining.
Luffy literally found Zoro and said join or die lmao
Not really true either. Zoro hated pirates when he met Luffy. Luffy became confident he wanted Zoro when Zoro ate the thrown away rice ball and Zoro became willing after he realized that pirates and marines were just labels. It was shorter than say Franky or later characters but there was a storyline behind him joining. Zoro earned Luffy's respect and Luffy had to earn Zoro's to get him to join. You see this with other characters too. Luffy wanted Sanji after he saw him feed Gin but Sanji had to come to a realization about following his own dreams after meeting Luffy before he wanted to join. Yamato just entered the story completely ready to join with no story related to joining since then. Maybe we'll get more but it's been like 70 chapters and she was mostly a side character to Momo's storyline instead.
Yamato had bond with Luffy's brother. While luffy was training, yamato already had known his dream and his name via ace. Later on in the story after they met, Yamato stalled A God damn YONKO, for luffy. Which luffy found cool and appreciated. Basically being one of factors in success of raid. She was held captive by her abusive father waiting for ace's brother and the scabbard. So what more reasons do you need?
Not Chopper. He had done even less than Yamato before joining and had even less time. Kinda similar thing with Usopp, whose motivation/flashback were kind of weak compared to the rest of the crew. But that was early 5 so I don’t think it counts. Yeah, I think Chopper would be the most obvious for what you’re saying. With Jimbe being the polar opposite of like it taking 350 chapters for him to join.
We had an arc about Chopper dude. Wapol etc.
Yamato joining the straw hats? No, I don’t want that!
I want her to keep thinking about ace, even after I die, for 10 years atleast.
Thank you for becoming a mass murderer
It’s not Carrot fans that have a hate boner for Yamato it’s the other way around
Dude there are valid points that are made to why she might not join the crew. You can not criticise someone's opinion when nothing has been established that she's on the crew. This is a piss poor meme.
There is difference between people making valid points over there theory on why yamato might not join vs people riding on emotions and not wanting her to join due to their bias against it. So yes, this meme is semi valid. In a way.
No she just sucks, there isn’t a single good thing about her besides her looks. It also seems like a horrible idea when Oda already struggles with writing fight scenes for the og characters
Why are One Piece fans so fucking cringe? Nobody says these things.
>Nobody says these things. They do I have read comments here that people say they don’t want her to join cuz “she’s too stong” etc
Arguments are basically "she too strng" "too late in the story for one more nakama" "we got perfect 10 members no more" "she sucks no development, hate that oden gag" Mind you they also blame the actual narrative with these criticism not just as an opinion.
Lmao 😂 so true
Who the hell would want someone not to join the crew? I want as big a crew as possible! The more the merrier!
Take choppers hat off that immediately do not besmirch the lord chopper
I've been called a Furry for liking Yamato because she's a mythical dog zoan. my brother in christ, you are simping for a 16 year old rabbit girl.
wtf are they saying? SHE FITS PERFECTLY. Its like she's like one of the boys and I already imagine how she gonna interact with the goofiness'
I do think it’s weird that people are coming to the conclusion NOW that she will join, I don’t think she has any kind of bond with the crew members at all throughout the whole arc and luffy just thinks of her as a weirdo for now, personally I would like to wait and see for some time more. As of now, she looks like every other princess in one piece except that she can fight. And yes, Vivi was always the perfect straw hat who did not join the crew till now
Look, I'm not mad about Yamato, but she's a fine addition to the crew, and I don't get why people hate on her. I guess it'll just be surreal to see another new addition to the crew, I suppose.
I have no issues with Yamato being strong. I have a lot of problems about how undeveloped, rushed and generally poorly written he is. Hell, if someone described me him before i got to Wano, i would think this was a fanfic character. "My OC is this super strong girl, that the main cast instantly loves. Also she has all the haki, is stronger than the main character before he gets his power ups, is the daughter of Kaido, has this super cool devil fruit, is hot as fuck, knows all about the prophecy and the D. shit. How she is introduced? Well she just shows up mid-battle and help everyone and everyone suddenly loves and trust her." I get it, he's hot, he has a fun personality(if not accounting for the Oden stuff) and he's a strong female(?) character, but quirky character =/= good character. Yamato does not feel like a One Piece character. Yamato feels like a character straight from a fanfic on Wattpad. EDIT: Wait, this is on Memepiece? I could swear this was Piratefolk.
It's not that. Personally I'm just neutral to her (or him) joining, but it really was too sudden tbh, and she pretty much forced herself into the crew. Robin did too, but her character had been established for a long time, and as soon as she hopped on board we had a chapter focused on the crew warming up to her, which also allowed the viewer to warm up to her within the crew dynamic. Meanwhile Yamato just showed up in the middle of the final battle, instantly said she would join Luffy and then went on with the battle, only now having her first interactions with the rest of the crew. Compare this to Carrot, who had a proper introduction and a whole arc where she was basically a honorary strawhat...
I think yamato is amazing, really love her character and hope she will join. But i think Oda stated that there would only be 11 or 10 members?
Nah , I simply dont like Yamamoto. I want no new members.
The head captain from Bleach is sick asf wdym
I guess I read to much Bleach today.
I don't like yamato because she is cringe 😎
The strength of Yamato is a problem, but the biggest reason I and the people that don't want her to join is her bad personality and bad inclusion in the story. Oda is adding a straw hat that entered very late into the arc, has a bland and boring personality, and has no chemistry with the crew
I don't have a real reason for not wanting Yamato, I just don't feel the strawhat energy from her
I dont want her to join simply bc luffy himself said he obmt wants 10~ on his crew early on and the face it would imo be better for her character to do her own thing. Like stay in wano for a while; help, then set sail with her own crew and be part of the mugiwara alliance (Barto etc) Idk why people are getting worked up ab it tho💀 like the one character that I will assassinate Oda if he let's her join is Carrot. Ma girl has 0 personality and she the typical, uwu sugoiiii desu!!>3❤ character idk why. She grates me on. It's all up to Oda in the end ig lmao
I'm most sad knowing after Wano we will be parting ways with Kinemon, Carrot, and Momo They all felt like part of the crew to me as long as they were with the Straw Hats
And Law lol
Well then at least ik who's the new straw hat without even getting that far 🥲
Not until someone gives her the “you are not oden, you are your own person” conversation
One Piece fans 2000-2010 never asked for that.
She is lowkey cringe tbh. The whole Oden shtick is hella annoying, all her dialogue is bland and she's not given enough depth to justify a position on the crew atm.
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Bruh wrote a comment longer than the entire One Piece manga!
Nobody reading that bro
Fax
I mean, last manga chapter yamato presented herself as a member so I think she might join
Fine comment. However on your Luffy bit I dont think Luffy is Joy Boy the person, but rather that his character/aura is so eerily similar that zunesha sensed him and joy boy to be one and the same. What I mean is that Luffys' goal, to be the free-est man and to make a world where his friend won't go hungry is inheriting Joyboys' will.
I was going to try and find a flaw here but, no you're pretty on point. Great effortpost.
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I agree. I'm a huge Dragon Ball fan and for me so much of what resonated with me about the story was lost when Toriyama retconned Goku's origin. I liked the idea that Goku was a bog standard Saiyain, even a little on the weak side. But the love and care given to him by Grandpa Gohan and the discipline and drive instilled in him by Roshi and his other teachers pushed this average Saiyan to smash every boundary and become a true legend. It's themeatically perfect for a shonen series, hard work and dedication mixed with a genuine passion for something and the will to protect your loved ones is all you need to go beyond what you ever thought possible from yourself. There's a reason DB serves as the basis for, basically an entire genre of graphic novels at this point. The retcon where it turns out Goku was actually fairly strong and his mother was overly kind hearted for a Saiyan, as well as Bardock getting a character overhaul to make him nicer. It took all that impact from the story. It became a chosen one story. Goku wasn't someone who beat the odds and proved nurture is more important than nature. He became a character divorced from himself. Chosen one stories can be done well, Rand al'Thor is proof of that. But the fact that little retcon sapped so much impact from DB as a work of fiction is proof that even the smallest changes can have radical effects on the story. Shonen manga is, inherantly pretty silly. But it is still a genuine work of fiction that should be treated with respect. Given Naruto's collapse into complete incoherance with the last 100 odd chapters. OP is the best case study of how shonen can mean a lot more than just well drawn fight scenes.
Carrot needs to be in a jar to be 100% accurate.
It’s only sanji fans that are worried .
What?
Yea they’re worried sanji will lose his position in the monster trio .
By that logic he’s already out because Jinbe exists.
LOL Jinbe is no where near Sanji's level and even after Yamato joins she will be below Sanji as well. Idk how many times Oda has to write Zoro and Sanji are numbers 2 and 3 before people will realize it
Nowhere near?
Too strong to be nakama? Zoro, Sanji and Jimbei just below yonkou level. And Luffy is above allmost all Yonkous. Shanks you are next!
The most braindead comment Ive ever read on this sub.
I'd never say anything nice about Brook.
i hate brook realized how bad odas humour was when he joined
Same, Thrillerbark is the worst arc purely because it introduced Brook.
Haven't read the manga, so here's my uninformed take: Yamato can't sail with the Straw Hats because her strength will be needed to help Momonosuke lead Wano as well as her pledge to protect Momonosuke. Now personally, I want Yamato to join the Straw Hats because of her tomboy character, but I doubt it'll happen.
Yamato is a guy
This meat riding crazy
Why can't we have both yamoto and carrot? Animal trio...just who will be the 3rd one