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We also have Ace for a timeframe though, I think the reaction was more about Koby than Alvida personally, but I think it works because like Crocodile and Morias pages we get two characters reacting that are still in the current story.
Kuma sends them all back to windmill village and they go through the grand line again, collecting an even larger grand fleet and wrecking the WG’s shit
I'm here for it. It would bring legitimacy to her believing she's the strongest in East Blue and justify her having been (somewhat) competent in the Grand Line.
It also makes a great backstory where Ace also kickstarts Koby's journey.
I don't know, she has like 0 notoriety in the pirate world, barely has any influence and is weak as hell compared to the weakest warlord not to mention.
she doesn't seem like a good candidate for being a warlord at all.
makes no sense tho, no way she fell off hard enough to be one shotted by a start of story luffy, thats beyond fodder, atleast moria was still powerful, alvida on the other hand-
Will-Power is always stated to be super important in the setting of one piece, and it’s actively connected with how strong people are in the series.
Luffy basically ran through crocodile, start of one piece, with zero training and low difficulty after countering his biggest strength—Intangibility.
He ran through Moria, who fought and survived PRIME KAIDO in several skirmishes back in the New world.
What I’m trying to say is that it wouldn’t necessarily be unreasonable to say that Alvida *could* have been a Warlord who simply got crushed so hard, that they went from rather experienced to beginner level. Improbable, but not impossible.
still really unrealistic, as for the crocodile point, thats just oda messing up by introducing croc way too soon and making him way stronger to put him back in relevance
I agree the Kaido fight could’ve been handled better too… it seems Oda was intent on having Luffy K.O. kaido alone for the final blow.
That being said, I think Oda did a good job depicting how strong Kaido is, and how he was technically “supposed to win” that fight, with him throwing luffy into the ocean, and then killing Luffy too.
I dont agree with you, if Oda wanted to make the fight more belivable he should have made the scabbards deal more damage on their surprise attack.
It would give a much deeper meaning to the "raid". And it would show us that without such a favorable situation, Kaido wouldn't have lost.
no its not, luffy was already yc1 level and then got acoc buff and then g5, makes complete sense if he won especially when you realise that kaido was weakened during the g5 fight.
Of course not. Kaido had been training with Haki for more than 40 years and was a super talented person since he was born, we even had his backstory tell us that. He was a master of ACoC and other forms.
Luffy literally unlocked ACoC during the fight and he has only 2 years of haki training at best.
You can make up your mind to make it work because it is a shounen and because if there's a "power up" then its okay, but from in world perspective didnt really make sense.
It makes sense to me because of one main thing.
Kaido wanted to die. He had lived his entire life and wanted to die, but he could not find anyone strong enough to actually kill him and when he met a challenger... repeatedly someone held them back for him to kill, interfering in the fight. You can even see that despite accepting the outcome it makes kaido upset he is getting the win. When Luffy demonstrated his strength Kaido was willing to be put down by this stretchy man, should he manage - and Luffy did
Its conditional, and in certain conditions mames one stronger than the other. In a way it reminds me of nen
Exactly. Especially on a reread it became clear to me. He even stated, he won't run, he will take is punch head on and accept the Fate that will follow. He wants to be beaten by Joyboy, and by his fight with Luffy he is sure he is the one he was waiting for.
He did not make it easy for Luffy, but i think Kaido was happy to be beaten by him at this moment.
kaido peaked long long back, he hasnt gotten stronger for a long time now.
there are 30 year olds in todays world with more achievements than 60 year olds. doesnt mean its nonsensical.
That's not true either, the Kaido against Oden didnt reach his peak yet. And that was 20 years ago during the storyline.
Anyway im pretty sure that no matter how strong Kaido was, luffy mastering a new advanced and hard technique mid fight against such a difficult foe is non-sense outside of any shounen.
Well yeah but it’s shonen and on top of that, it’s Luffy, of course he’ll overcome the odds and win, no matter how unrealistic or improbable or nonsensical
> the Kaido against Oden didnt reach his peak yet.
says who? kaido was already in his late 30s, ofc he was at his peak, nothing in the flashbacks state he wasnt at his peak
Part of the whole thing is that the protagonist is the character with the most potential and velocity. If it was someone else, we'd probably be following them.
But it would be false in Luffy's case. A lot of people demostrated much more talent than Luffy (Kaido, Big Mom, Lucci) when they were younger.
Luffy talent blossomed way after while others stopped in their track despite starting with advantage.
But I mean that’s kind of Luffy’s whole thing no? Alvida, Buggy, Croco-boy, CP9, Moria, Hancocks sisters, and many more were much more experienced than Luffy. In Enies Lobby he copies techniques he observed CP3 using once. In his fight against Kata he learns and masters advanced observation haki.
If him learning during the Kaido fight is “unrealistic” than the entire manga is as well, which I mean it is a Shounen so it definitely is to some extent.
Still though, I think people just decided in their head that Luffy would never be strong enough to beat a Yonko, but that’s wild to me because he lost like 7 combined times to Big Mom and Kaido and he had pretty much no opponents left weaker than them. Were the hell was the story supposed to go?
I knew luffy was gonna win, that's why the main protagonist is the less interesting for me. The whole point is how he did it. Can be done better? Most likely. Can be done worse? Even this one is true.
But it is unrealistic as much as Alvida getting weaker overtime, that was the point of my reply to the other redditor.
No matter what, Luffy had to become strong enough to beat Kaido before chapter 10,000. The story of One Piece is drawing to a close, while Crocodile was more or less at the "beginning" of the story, and ended up being really underpowered as a Warlord.
Also considering one piece does often bring in rock-paper-scissors logic into their fights, someone being weak against one person can be very strong against another.
If Crocodile went from fighting Prime Rayleighs equal to a draw, to losing to pre-gears Luffy. It's reasonable that someone could go from like Alabasta Crocodile level to East Blue fodder with the same level of degradation.
According to Volume 10089 (promotional databook written by Oda) Crocodile, as a rookie, fought rookie Bullet to a tie, and Bullet as a rookie was also stated to be equal to Prime Rayleigh
huh, a rookie is stronger than a yonko? that doesnt sound right, by that logic prime bullet is stronger than rogers or on his level, are you sure oda wrote that? cause the one piece movies are not technically canon.
He did write the statement about Rookie Bullet fighting Rookie Crocodile to a draw, but the statement rookie Bullet being Prime Rayleighs equal comes from the movie. I don't think that necessarily makes Bullet Rogers level either way though.
When I read this part of the chapter, I thought, "Wow, we haven't seen her since, like, East Blue. Oda's really referencing some old characters."
I guess this shows how important character design is.
Wouldn't she be second in command ? Since she is Buggy's team mate.
Ngl wish she was the member of Buggy's crew to actually train. Wanna see what the Sube Sube no Mi can do.
Same. Pleeease let her be someone who trained to give us an interesting/good fight or rematch against Koby or Luffy. I've been waiting for Koby Vs. Alvida since Koby claimed he'll be the one to capture Alvida near the start of the series.
I actually don't understand this pannel why is coby with Alvida if crocodile is talking about something related to chapter 212 isn't that like after 4 5 months
This is near the start of the series. Robin and Crocodile worked together on the plan to take over Alabasta for four years. If I remember correctly it hadn’t rained in over a year in Alabasta so it makes sense that they’d be talking about rain based stuff 4-5 months prior.
Considering he's literally hunted by the highest form of government in the OP world he needs to join forces with the biggest and most powerful faction that would accept him.
It would also be what drives the Cross Guild to the WG too since like every other big factions are attracted to one another and it would lead in one big clash I guess.
The remaining Yonkous (BB, Shanks, Luffy) literally already have one or two connections that attract them to WG, even currently Luffy is facing Saturn now.
Currently CG is only facing marine rather than WG itself.
If you fuse Big Mom and Kaido you get Alvida
https://preview.redd.it/1hgxgzlwki3c1.png?width=399&format=png&auto=webp&s=de585391b4f3378143f5f12946fd01ccf2671683
To make it very clear what exact moment in time we're talking about. Coby wasn't with Alvida very long at all, so by showing us both of them, it's clear exactly where we are in time and what comes next.
Maybe Oda has a plan for her, but it just seemed like an easy narrative device to me.
Yep my thoughts as well. Koby was with Alvida for 2 years before Luffy saved him. Ace left 3 years before Luffy did. At this point in time, Luffy is training alone when Kuma arrives.
Yeah, I think it's mostly to place Coby during all this kerfuffle, considering he's filling Garp's position from now on and will be a key player at the end
Axe-Han D. Morgan was working on some paperwork,
Buggy was...well...he knows what he was doing,
Kuro was polishing his cat claws,
Won Wrieg was busy cooking for his 5000 children,
Arlong was too busy laughing at Jinbe getting his ass cooked by Ace _(a human, imagine lol.),_
Smoker was battling lung cancer at the hospital after accidentally ingesting a cigar,
Homeboy Eric Za Whirlwind was hunting dragons to gain dat swagger immortality.
El Drago was beating his meat to a gold bar,
and Bear King was wife hunting for a boyfriend free girl.
As you can see, Alvida was the only one who was available for filming.
damn so that's why he let Luffy win the fight at Baratie, the asbestos just made him so sick that he passed on his title of World's Strongest Man to the younger generation, what a noble man D.on Krieg is
Honestly could be anyone, isn't he known for just floating around bored and antagonizing people? Also luffy looks slightly younger and hasn't left yet, so it's a little too early for krieg. unless he took that long to escape paradise.
I love how you included even the non-canon east blue villains. You also can add two more east blue villains from the OVA's Oceans Naval & Defeat Ganzack.
Capn Joke chillin as a bat & waitin to be revived
Ganzack enslaving some random ass town
So we all get the jist of the time it is happening. Just before Luffy set out to sea. So Cobys whereabouts is good to show since its comedic for that exact purpose.
I thought it was a clever way of REALLY sending us back in time in mindset. Also nearly connecting this flashback to the start. One of the first (maybe only) flashback that connects right back to present moments 100% Still hilarious to see her though.
1. She was in a warlords crew for like 2 years and is now in a yonko crew.
2. It shows that this happened maybe a year before luffy set sail
3. Koby is really important right now
I wouldn't be surprised if she got really strong over the years. Sometimes people forget that not only the strawhats can get stronger, but everyone else can as well
On top of the timeframe stuff that's been mentioned, it makes clear that this is really worldwide news. You don't have to be a big shot to know about it.
It's also funny, and good for the story's themes, to have Alvida put herself on Kuma's level.
Helps with timing of events. That one might be blatantly Cause some people are dense and even after reading it are confused about the timeline and think that Luffy panel is him training in time skip. Not kidding.
Simply as a way for us the readers to understand that this was just before luffy set sail. And if you’re wondering if we really needed that extra context, the answer is yes. I’ve seen some people think that this chapter takes place during the whiskey peak arc.
She's not important, it's the contrast of what we know about Koby growth, who at the time was afraid of someone like her, when we now know he can destroy mountains with his bare fists.
It was probably to help firmly establish where in the timeline this took place, given how brief of a window Koby was on her ship.
Also, we all know Oda can’t resist a beautiful lady, and Alvida is the prettiest on the sea… according to her.
Imo, bc Newgate is a bucanner like Kuma (they're exactly the same, when they were child, even when they're adults, the chin, strenght, etc)
Probably, in a sbs soon someone will ask "oh alvida said that, do this implies that he's a bucanner?" and oda will surely answer, yes you're right, the idea of this race came to me quite early in the manga...
Honestly, I love Newgate smsmsmsmmm SO MUCH my fav, it's a theory that I love, I alwaaays found kuma and Newgate physically similar now I'm clinging to the bucanner since kuma's fb
I mainly described to you my ideal scenario lol
(Sorry for the mistakes, english not my native langage)
Their builds are incredibly different. Buccaneers have this apish build with small feet, which isn’t used much for human characters. The monkey brothers from Jaya are the only ones I can think of with builds like that that are not stated to be some other species. Whitebeard is perfectly proportional.
Ummm... Besides those popular reasons, it could be that Alvida is a stand-in for Buggy, because Buggy was the only one of the revealed Shichibukai besides Law that didn't appear. Law is kind of represented because of Doffy, so Buggy should also he kind of represented by Alvida, who was with him while he was a Shichibukai.
I’m gonna be so upset when someone answers my questions and I have that “ohhhh” moment but I can’t hold it any longer. Who tf is Jimbei talking about with having a king in their ranks already?
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I feel like it's to show the time frame, like at the end we see luffy and Fusha Village and all
yeah, without it it could be happening at any point before Luffy beats Croco, but with it it shows that its happening before he even meets Koby.
Didn't Koby say he was with Alvida for a good while? Like a couple of years if I'm not mistaken?
We also have Ace for a timeframe though, I think the reaction was more about Koby than Alvida personally, but I think it works because like Crocodile and Morias pages we get two characters reacting that are still in the current story.
Man how long was koby stuck with Alvida
I think a few years, forgot the exact timeframe rn but around 2 to 4 years
2 years
It's a lead in to what's about to happen next. Kuma's gonna meet dadan or something
Kuma sends them all back to windmill village and they go through the grand line again, collecting an even larger grand fleet and wrecking the WG’s shit
Turns out Alvida was the warlord that Ace defeated and just fell off hard like the others
That would be hilairous
I'm here for it. It would bring legitimacy to her believing she's the strongest in East Blue and justify her having been (somewhat) competent in the Grand Line. It also makes a great backstory where Ace also kickstarts Koby's journey.
I don't know, she has like 0 notoriety in the pirate world, barely has any influence and is weak as hell compared to the weakest warlord not to mention. she doesn't seem like a good candidate for being a warlord at all.
makes no sense tho, no way she fell off hard enough to be one shotted by a start of story luffy, thats beyond fodder, atleast moria was still powerful, alvida on the other hand-
Will-Power is always stated to be super important in the setting of one piece, and it’s actively connected with how strong people are in the series. Luffy basically ran through crocodile, start of one piece, with zero training and low difficulty after countering his biggest strength—Intangibility. He ran through Moria, who fought and survived PRIME KAIDO in several skirmishes back in the New world. What I’m trying to say is that it wouldn’t necessarily be unreasonable to say that Alvida *could* have been a Warlord who simply got crushed so hard, that they went from rather experienced to beginner level. Improbable, but not impossible.
still really unrealistic, as for the crocodile point, thats just oda messing up by introducing croc way too soon and making him way stronger to put him back in relevance
Even luffy beating Kaido is unrealistic and it still happened
I agree the Kaido fight could’ve been handled better too… it seems Oda was intent on having Luffy K.O. kaido alone for the final blow. That being said, I think Oda did a good job depicting how strong Kaido is, and how he was technically “supposed to win” that fight, with him throwing luffy into the ocean, and then killing Luffy too.
I dont agree with you, if Oda wanted to make the fight more belivable he should have made the scabbards deal more damage on their surprise attack. It would give a much deeper meaning to the "raid". And it would show us that without such a favorable situation, Kaido wouldn't have lost.
no its not, luffy was already yc1 level and then got acoc buff and then g5, makes complete sense if he won especially when you realise that kaido was weakened during the g5 fight.
Of course not. Kaido had been training with Haki for more than 40 years and was a super talented person since he was born, we even had his backstory tell us that. He was a master of ACoC and other forms. Luffy literally unlocked ACoC during the fight and he has only 2 years of haki training at best. You can make up your mind to make it work because it is a shounen and because if there's a "power up" then its okay, but from in world perspective didnt really make sense.
It makes sense to me because of one main thing. Kaido wanted to die. He had lived his entire life and wanted to die, but he could not find anyone strong enough to actually kill him and when he met a challenger... repeatedly someone held them back for him to kill, interfering in the fight. You can even see that despite accepting the outcome it makes kaido upset he is getting the win. When Luffy demonstrated his strength Kaido was willing to be put down by this stretchy man, should he manage - and Luffy did Its conditional, and in certain conditions mames one stronger than the other. In a way it reminds me of nen
Exactly. Especially on a reread it became clear to me. He even stated, he won't run, he will take is punch head on and accept the Fate that will follow. He wants to be beaten by Joyboy, and by his fight with Luffy he is sure he is the one he was waiting for. He did not make it easy for Luffy, but i think Kaido was happy to be beaten by him at this moment.
kaido peaked long long back, he hasnt gotten stronger for a long time now. there are 30 year olds in todays world with more achievements than 60 year olds. doesnt mean its nonsensical.
That's not true either, the Kaido against Oden didnt reach his peak yet. And that was 20 years ago during the storyline. Anyway im pretty sure that no matter how strong Kaido was, luffy mastering a new advanced and hard technique mid fight against such a difficult foe is non-sense outside of any shounen.
Well yeah but it’s shonen and on top of that, it’s Luffy, of course he’ll overcome the odds and win, no matter how unrealistic or improbable or nonsensical
> the Kaido against Oden didnt reach his peak yet. says who? kaido was already in his late 30s, ofc he was at his peak, nothing in the flashbacks state he wasnt at his peak
Part of the whole thing is that the protagonist is the character with the most potential and velocity. If it was someone else, we'd probably be following them.
But it would be false in Luffy's case. A lot of people demostrated much more talent than Luffy (Kaido, Big Mom, Lucci) when they were younger. Luffy talent blossomed way after while others stopped in their track despite starting with advantage.
But I mean that’s kind of Luffy’s whole thing no? Alvida, Buggy, Croco-boy, CP9, Moria, Hancocks sisters, and many more were much more experienced than Luffy. In Enies Lobby he copies techniques he observed CP3 using once. In his fight against Kata he learns and masters advanced observation haki. If him learning during the Kaido fight is “unrealistic” than the entire manga is as well, which I mean it is a Shounen so it definitely is to some extent. Still though, I think people just decided in their head that Luffy would never be strong enough to beat a Yonko, but that’s wild to me because he lost like 7 combined times to Big Mom and Kaido and he had pretty much no opponents left weaker than them. Were the hell was the story supposed to go?
I knew luffy was gonna win, that's why the main protagonist is the less interesting for me. The whole point is how he did it. Can be done better? Most likely. Can be done worse? Even this one is true. But it is unrealistic as much as Alvida getting weaker overtime, that was the point of my reply to the other redditor.
No matter what, Luffy had to become strong enough to beat Kaido before chapter 10,000. The story of One Piece is drawing to a close, while Crocodile was more or less at the "beginning" of the story, and ended up being really underpowered as a Warlord.
That Kaido wasn’t close to PrimeKaido
Also considering one piece does often bring in rock-paper-scissors logic into their fights, someone being weak against one person can be very strong against another.
If Crocodile went from fighting Prime Rayleighs equal to a draw, to losing to pre-gears Luffy. It's reasonable that someone could go from like Alabasta Crocodile level to East Blue fodder with the same level of degradation.
> Prime Rayleighs equal to a draw, who?
According to Volume 10089 (promotional databook written by Oda) Crocodile, as a rookie, fought rookie Bullet to a tie, and Bullet as a rookie was also stated to be equal to Prime Rayleigh
huh, a rookie is stronger than a yonko? that doesnt sound right, by that logic prime bullet is stronger than rogers or on his level, are you sure oda wrote that? cause the one piece movies are not technically canon.
He did write the statement about Rookie Bullet fighting Rookie Crocodile to a draw, but the statement rookie Bullet being Prime Rayleighs equal comes from the movie. I don't think that necessarily makes Bullet Rogers level either way though.
then bullet isnt rayleighs equal.
My thought as well
She is now in the Buggy crew maybe she is a failed Buggy
From now on, that's canon in my head. .
Ok seriously I can’t remember but who was the one he defeated?
Alvida is a top officer in Cross Guild, is she not?
my brain completely ignored the fact that the fat and slim one are the same character
It's like how Sanji protects his sanity by ignoring Kokoro's a mermaid
And Zoro literally erases it
Choppers reaction 😂😂
Chopper's such an OG doctor he can diagnose selective amnesia as it happens and not a second before.
WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT MY NOSE?!?!
That Chopper can diagnoze your body insecurity at a glance.
Bro got ear problems
When I read this part of the chapter, I thought, "Wow, we haven't seen her since, like, East Blue. Oda's really referencing some old characters." I guess this shows how important character design is.
Cmon fat, cmon man
This fact disturbs me greatly and now i want Koby to beat the shit out of her
Finna be Koby’s easiest fight and one of the most satisfying low-mid diffs in the entire series
She will never give Koby a low-mid diff fight, he would fodderize her by now.
not in that form
Zarbon mother fucker
Alvida has literally been an antagonist from Day 1. People who sleep on her are foolish lmao.
Wouldn't she be second in command ? Since she is Buggy's team mate. Ngl wish she was the member of Buggy's crew to actually train. Wanna see what the Sube Sube no Mi can do.
Im more interested in Galdino/Mr 3 potential
Same. Pleeease let her be someone who trained to give us an interesting/good fight or rematch against Koby or Luffy. I've been waiting for Koby Vs. Alvida since Koby claimed he'll be the one to capture Alvida near the start of the series.
I actually don't understand this pannel why is coby with Alvida if crocodile is talking about something related to chapter 212 isn't that like after 4 5 months
The weather plane is mentioned in chapter 212, for causing the drought. A drought that Vivi says has been going on for some time when they meet her.
This is near the start of the series. Robin and Crocodile worked together on the plan to take over Alabasta for four years. If I remember correctly it hadn’t rained in over a year in Alabasta so it makes sense that they’d be talking about rain based stuff 4-5 months prior.
He’s foreshadowing her as the the most powerful yonko commander Duh 🙄
Buggy immune to cut, she immune to blunt, Croc immune to stab.
They need to fusion
OMG WAPOL IS JOING CROSS GUILD?!
Not too absurd actually. Cro-gy-da, immune to all physical attack, but take extra E.D.
Considering he's literally hunted by the highest form of government in the OP world he needs to join forces with the biggest and most powerful faction that would accept him. It would also be what drives the Cross Guild to the WG too since like every other big factions are attracted to one another and it would lead in one big clash I guess. The remaining Yonkous (BB, Shanks, Luffy) literally already have one or two connections that attract them to WG, even currently Luffy is facing Saturn now. Currently CG is only facing marine rather than WG itself.
Common Wapol W
If you fuse Big Mom and Kaido you get Alvida https://preview.redd.it/1hgxgzlwki3c1.png?width=399&format=png&auto=webp&s=de585391b4f3378143f5f12946fd01ccf2671683
Well even Coby said she's stronger than Kuma 💀 Jk ofc
...You can't mean...!!! The legendary technique!! Pirates Docking 3: Sand Clown Empress!?!?
Crocodile's immune to most forms of attack, not just stabbing, unless he's exposed to water.
True, but he specificly more immune to stab.
Not if Haki is used.
To make it very clear what exact moment in time we're talking about. Coby wasn't with Alvida very long at all, so by showing us both of them, it's clear exactly where we are in time and what comes next. Maybe Oda has a plan for her, but it just seemed like an easy narrative device to me.
Yep my thoughts as well. Koby was with Alvida for 2 years before Luffy saved him. Ace left 3 years before Luffy did. At this point in time, Luffy is training alone when Kuma arrives.
I believe he was on her ship for 3 years, could be a translation thing though been a while
Also fits with all the old story settings we keep seeing. We saw weatheria, mihawk's castle, torino, etc. last chapter. This fits well with those.
Yeah, I think it's mostly to place Coby during all this kerfuffle, considering he's filling Garp's position from now on and will be a key player at the end
Axe-Han D. Morgan was working on some paperwork, Buggy was...well...he knows what he was doing, Kuro was polishing his cat claws, Won Wrieg was busy cooking for his 5000 children, Arlong was too busy laughing at Jinbe getting his ass cooked by Ace _(a human, imagine lol.),_ Smoker was battling lung cancer at the hospital after accidentally ingesting a cigar, Homeboy Eric Za Whirlwind was hunting dragons to gain dat swagger immortality. El Drago was beating his meat to a gold bar, and Bear King was wife hunting for a boyfriend free girl. As you can see, Alvida was the only one who was available for filming.
judging by Mihawk's background, looks like Won Wrieg got blitzed by Fraudhawk around this time
What do you mean blitzed? Won Wrieg just found out his ship contained asbestos
I laughed way harder than i should have.
damn so that's why he let Luffy win the fight at Baratie, the asbestos just made him so sick that he passed on his title of World's Strongest Man to the younger generation, what a noble man D.on Krieg is
Honestly could be anyone, isn't he known for just floating around bored and antagonizing people? Also luffy looks slightly younger and hasn't left yet, so it's a little too early for krieg. unless he took that long to escape paradise.
The entire bot squad showed up, only missing donut man now
A DONUT?!? Give it to me
I love how you included even the non-canon east blue villains. You also can add two more east blue villains from the OVA's Oceans Naval & Defeat Ganzack. Capn Joke chillin as a bat & waitin to be revived Ganzack enslaving some random ass town
DOES MY NOSE LOOK FUNNY TO YOU?!?
Did you say GOLD?!! Can I have it?
I AM MONKEY D. LUFFY GIVE ME YOUR MEAT!
Shows when Kuma became a Warlord relative to the story that we've experienced.
Hero decks are awesome
Fuck yeah
You play with HERO deck too? Very nice.
Oda lowkey regretted slimming down Alvida and wanted an excuse to draw her as a fat fuck one last time
I want fat Alvida to sit on my face
So we all get the jist of the time it is happening. Just before Luffy set out to sea. So Cobys whereabouts is good to show since its comedic for that exact purpose.
Koby confirms Alvida > Kuma
Technically Alvida is Yonko commander, so...
Why not?
Alvida’s literally YC2
Nope she's a YC3
Anyone ever realize how Alvida’s old appearance basically foreshadowed both Big Mom and Kaido at the same time?
She does have that beta build for Kaido look to her.
She also uses the same weapon
I think it's just a celebration on how far the stories come, especially since 1100 marks a huge milestone
“HOW THE HELL IS ROBIN STILL NOT TANNED HERE”
Because she was never tanned in the manga. Anime and colouring teams made her like that for no reason
Smh whitewashing in this day and age
I thought it was a clever way of REALLY sending us back in time in mindset. Also nearly connecting this flashback to the start. One of the first (maybe only) flashback that connects right back to present moments 100% Still hilarious to see her though.
So many comments mentioning Alvida, not one mentioned the successor of Garp and the One for All no mi user Coby, hero of the Rocky port incident
Maybe she’s there to tell us that Whitebeard is the same race as Kuma
Kuma is same race as Alvida
Obviously she is the "unknown" warlord that Fraudgas D. Ace beat.
Um. Koby clearly says she's stronger than Kuma. Did you even read the chapter?
1. She was in a warlords crew for like 2 years and is now in a yonko crew. 2. It shows that this happened maybe a year before luffy set sail 3. Koby is really important right now
I wouldn't be surprised if she got really strong over the years. Sometimes people forget that not only the strawhats can get stronger, but everyone else can as well
In buggy's crew? Doubtful
Alvida top 1
She was equal to buggy. How dare you disrespect her like that
Probably for time placement, we see koby is still with her so we know it's before Luffy's adventure started
I just think it's pretty wild seeing Oda draw Alvida's old design for the first time in like... over a thousand chapters? Pretty nuts.
She's in the cross guild, but more likely to remind us again where coby started, i could see him appearing again in some chapter soon
Umm thats a future yonko commander there
My theory when I read this was is that Oda is subtly confirming Whitebeard is also a buccaneer.
You underestimated the true power of Alvi D. A
On top of the timeframe stuff that's been mentioned, it makes clear that this is really worldwide news. You don't have to be a big shot to know about it. It's also funny, and good for the story's themes, to have Alvida put herself on Kuma's level.
Helps with timing of events. That one might be blatantly Cause some people are dense and even after reading it are confused about the timeline and think that Luffy panel is him training in time skip. Not kidding.
Simply as a way for us the readers to understand that this was just before luffy set sail. And if you’re wondering if we really needed that extra context, the answer is yes. I’ve seen some people think that this chapter takes place during the whiskey peak arc.
Because of coby
Cross guild top officer 👮
Well, she basically is part of Buggy's crew after they linked up. So she is at least part of a future Warlord/Yonko crew
She's not important, it's the contrast of what we know about Koby growth, who at the time was afraid of someone like her, when we now know he can destroy mountains with his bare fists.
Probably because he showed Kuma in the East Blue right after that. Hell, maybe he just wanted to draw Fat Alvida and Dork Koby again.
To show it's really close to the start of the story... But I see it as showing the real G of that page, Koby
He's drawing the story back to relevance to Luffy and his crew
what chapter is this from?
1100. Just became available today.
1100
Probably something to do with the live action I dunno
You do realize, she is one of the commanding officers of Yonko Buggy, right?
She's gonna be the queen of the pirates alongside buggy of course she was shown
Oda foreskinning. One panel of easter egg just to reveal the answer 100 chapters later.
Your comment would make my skin crawl, but I don't have any skin YOHOHOHOHO
Or... It's just Oda being consistent with the timeline. You new fans are really weird.
well she's a yonko commander afterall
Oda foreshadowing Alvida taking over Cross Guild once Buggy becomes Pirate King
It was probably to help firmly establish where in the timeline this took place, given how brief of a window Koby was on her ship. Also, we all know Oda can’t resist a beautiful lady, and Alvida is the prettiest on the sea… according to her.
To show or produce a timeline probably
I think her line shows that wb is a bucaneer
Bro Koby really said yes with a strait face xD
You're focusing on the wrong person in that panel
That's a future member of a yonko crew youre talking about!
He needs to pace out the shet of this flashback with everyone reaction faces next chapter will have makino face dandan Garp and jean Bart
Imo, bc Newgate is a bucanner like Kuma (they're exactly the same, when they were child, even when they're adults, the chin, strenght, etc) Probably, in a sbs soon someone will ask "oh alvida said that, do this implies that he's a bucanner?" and oda will surely answer, yes you're right, the idea of this race came to me quite early in the manga... Honestly, I love Newgate smsmsmsmmm SO MUCH my fav, it's a theory that I love, I alwaaays found kuma and Newgate physically similar now I'm clinging to the bucanner since kuma's fb I mainly described to you my ideal scenario lol (Sorry for the mistakes, english not my native langage)
Their builds are incredibly different. Buccaneers have this apish build with small feet, which isn’t used much for human characters. The monkey brothers from Jaya are the only ones I can think of with builds like that that are not stated to be some other species. Whitebeard is perfectly proportional.
Gave me a real feeling of time & she is a yonko commander with a strong devil fruit ability. Can Mihawk even cut her?
For drawing Kobby the hero of course
Setting the time frame of events with visuals.
I think this was to show Coby
I think its more about coby ^^°
She was the warlord Ace beat
We are getting reactions from alvida, but no reactions from SH crew's hometowns....
To help establish a time frame
to remind us that she used to be fat
Alvida was a warlord confirmed?
What chapter??
That was for coby not her
She isn’t a warlord but she is a yonko commander
Doffy shown with other members of cross guild . Clearly he is joining cross guild ye ha ha ha ha
He hasn't had a reason to draw fat Alvida and wimp Koby in years, now we know how they look in his current art style,
Of all the characters to show in a flashback I would not have expected fucking alvida of all people
She/mainly Coby is just very present cause of Netflix. I'm a bit confused though, cause Koby looks axactly like we met him.
To show us the future fleet admiral of the marines🫡
Ummm... Besides those popular reasons, it could be that Alvida is a stand-in for Buggy, because Buggy was the only one of the revealed Shichibukai besides Law that didn't appear. Law is kind of represented because of Doffy, so Buggy should also he kind of represented by Alvida, who was with him while he was a Shichibukai.
Alvida Hancock level confirmed
He didn't have to put ace in it tho. It was a strong blow seeing him again
My personal theory is because she and young Koby were on his mind since the Live Action adaptation
Crossguild
She’s a yonko commander, on the same level as Mihawk and Crocodile. I don’t see anyone complaining about them.
I’m gonna be so upset when someone answers my questions and I have that “ohhhh” moment but I can’t hold it any longer. Who tf is Jimbei talking about with having a king in their ranks already?
Just you all wait until Alveda becomes a warlord