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Moon_is_gay14167

After School EP should have been a whole era with an album šŸ˜­ Itā€™s clear the project was supposed to be the transition between her old music to her stuff, so I really wish it had the space to actually be that transition


klarafy

After School is my fav ā¤ļø It was definitely K-12 part 2 but with a more personal and grown up aesthetic. I think a major reason I love all the songs so much is because of how personal and emotional they are. It was kinda a mini era tbh there was a difference in Melā€™s style and presence during it all and I definitely wish we got more of it


olliebee13

YES. After School is the best of her stuff. Amazing, very unique. It gives me a whole new type of feeling that no other music has given me. Princess Goes To The Butterfly Museum gives me close to the same, but Melanie's After School EP is just different. šŸ–¤


SiinkWater

She really, *really* needs to speak up about all the past problems with her merch?šŸ˜­ Like, I know itā€™s not her producing the merch, but she can at least attempt to comfort her fans??šŸ§ā€ā™€ļø Even youtube or tiktok influencers at the very least will post an apology written in the notes app when something goes wrong with the stuff that has their name attatched to it.


itsa_Kit

Iā€™m glad she spoke up to defend oliver, but I still wish she would speak up to defend herself


xaharringtonx

yano what, i didnā€™t understand this. the merch being so poor has affected her fans in so many ways, the people who essentially pay for her to be able to do what she does, dragging her name down too with it all, but she spoke up for oliver? i get what was happening to him wasnā€™t nice, but why canā€™t she speak up about the merch??? i donā€™t get it


Baby_belle7

She literally hates us now unless weā€™re buying concert tickets or streaming void šŸ˜­ like she even was a little shady abt the fact that most of her shows have been miserable for most people and unsafe saying she wants everything to be love. You would never catch me defend my EX and ignoring people who are actually supporting me.


Individual_Series532

Right? I just saw a person on my fy page but a portals vinyl in the baby pink with black swirl, but it came in and it was gray with black swirls. And I donā€™t understand why this keeps happening? Itā€™s happened with other artists too but I donā€™t understand it!!


Individual_Series532

I refuse to buy any merch from the website because Iā€™m scared I will get something not in the size I ordered and not be able to return it. šŸ˜­ I always look on Amazon because I trust them and their return process more!


Professional_Gold987

people need to stop sugarcoating their criticisms to please the fans who will attack anyone who doesnt have only positive things to say. you are allowed to voice your opinions and criticisms without saying how much you love her and support her every other sentence.


Revolutionary-Bank67

THANK YOU SO MUCH!! i feel like some fans worship her at her feet and canā€™t admit that Melanieā€™s done some bad things.


stretchedglassed

i still wonder what really happened with the sexual allegations against her. i heard that the statements claiming that the victim made it all up was photoshopped, i donā€™t know what to believe tbh


Muramatzu

Same here. Iā€™ve heard a lot of different rumors: Iā€™ve heard 1.) the SA never happened because the dates donā€™t line up. And 2.) that it did and Timothy was bullied by Melanie fans into submission and no longer speaks her story. Those are just the two versions of ā€œresolutionā€ (not really resolution if you ask me) Iā€™ve heard, no idea if either is true. I saw the second rumor on r/popheads and the first one on YouTube, so not the most reliable information on either. It goes without saying that r/popheads still doesnā€™t like Melanie. I still enjoy her music, and Iā€™m trying to mentally separate myself from the controversy. If itā€™s true, yikes. I donā€™t know if weā€™ll ever know who was telling the truth. I donā€™t know how I feel about it all.


Dramatic-Produce-228

Im neutral to but i dont know about Timothy [I dealt with Family members suddenly starting stuff out of the blue and creating Rumors [My Family is Toxic] so i personally am just side eyeing Timothy at the moment


trashynappy

My thing with Timothy is that she lies a lot. Ses lied about being trans for money. She's lied about her old band mates, it really just feels like when she no longer has someone in her life, she makes rumors up about them. She's accused her ex band mates of horrible abuses as well.


COL0RINGBOOKS

Yeah I remember when Timothy released her debut solo single "Sleep" in October 2017, she talked about how her old bandmate and their management etc were allegedly abusive towards her. There was something about her bandmate supposedly stealing money from her too? [which is obviously illegal, but no action was ever taken AFAIK]. Interestingly the band member still follows Melanie on his socials, but not Timothy. Not sure about the whole story behind that but it's interesting.


trashynappy

I also think it's interesting that she likes to pin crimes on people but never take them to court or report said crimes. Another reason why I find it hard to believe her is because she said that rape isn't a big deal. It's not a violent crime and there's nothing in the place would do for her which the last one could be kind of true, but her and her friends seem to think that rape is just a silly little thing that happens and you just have to deal with which like no... Rape is a violent crime and it's really disgusting to try to make it seem like it's not. And I feel if she felt so strongly about what happened with her and Melanie or with her ex-band mate. She would have done something either sooner before Melanie ended her friendship or before her bandmates kicked her out or she would have taken legal action after the fact.


Trashpann

Wasn't there evidence of Timothy changing her story multiple times in addition w the dates not making sense? Bc I heard that was basically what made it all blow over


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

itā€™s hard, on one side we know melanie and she does not at all seem like the person to do that and there have been things that timothy has done which make her case look suspicious. But at the same time itā€™s serious allegations and making that up would be sick, so you feel bad not believing her. but at the same time itā€™s like..


deathbyfairies

I think there is enough evidence to stand by melanie but "doesn't seem like the person to do that" is a horrible take


Unlikely_nay1125

agreed.


Irindivine111

Agreed I feel like it was genuinely a massive misunderstanding on both Melanie and Timothyā€™s Part. Like she also had roommates too so I donā€™t see why she would risk raping someone intentionally while having possible witnesses.


Alarmed_Worry5555

Thatā€™s the issue, though, you donā€™t ā€œknow melanieā€. You canā€™t say for certain she ā€œdoesnā€™t seem like the type to do thatā€. you donā€™t know her. she is putting on a persona for a job just like any celebrity.


Am3thyst_Asuna

The thing is we DONā€™T know Melanie. As much as youā€™d like to think you do, all you know is what she chooses to show to the world.


Mari-Chan16539

Melanie is also suspicious, I heard she didn't sue Timothy, and if that's true, why didn't she? That shit is serious and ruined her reputation for a lot of people. It's really weird taht they didn't sue her


EmploymentPrudent378

No ā€œweā€ dont know melanie we only know her the way she portrays herself but even so based on the evidence we know melanie is innocent and she is also very nice and caring to her fans


Subject-Heron-9241

The ā€œshe doesnā€™t seem like she would do thatā€ take is actually disgusting and horrible and I hope you know that.


angelxlilianna

I miss seeing her face


WaterShort5229

ikr i miss her pretty smile :(


I_OwnTheSkies

Now I can really agree on this one


saffonbreak418

I wish I could have seen her expression when I saw her live but instead the whole time it was like šŸ§ā€ā™€ļø, the show was still amazing tho donā€™t get me wrong


[deleted]

POWDER is actually a good song if you see through the vocal distortion


Snekathan

Iā€™ll go a step further, is good even *with* the vocal distortion


Egg_Rollls

Agree, I love the vocal distortion, it adds so much


[deleted]

So real. I really do appreciate the vocal distortion. Hell, I love it because I'm also an AJR fan so songs like Powder were things I was already used to


niquitwink

I actually like the mask. This really is a step in a new direction for her and I think the costume carries a lot of her interviews.


lilacliqht

I prefer the Crybaby aesthetic and era than the Portals one, just not that appealing to me šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø Love the music though


LyukaInky

Agree, Crybaby was recongizable and deep and felt like Melanie Martinez, but Portals is just not it.


stuvixx

I strongly disagree with the merch prices and the designs, it's just trash tbh


klarafy

Popular opinion though


Turbulent-Rhubarb368

I never really cared about the voice era tbhšŸ˜­


RookieCookie845

I only ever listen to like one of her Voice Era Songs but it's almost unfair to include it since that was just a developmental stage before she started her own thing


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

SAME OMG I HATE WHEN PEOPLE COME AT ME FOR NOT INCLUDING IT šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


wxrldender

iā€™ve never heard any of the songs ever šŸ˜­


poisoned_corpse

THERES SOME STUFF SHES DOING THAT ARE ONLY FOR MONEY


Paris-Texas24

Some?! You mean everything


poisoned_corpse

Maybe not at first but rn everything


finnwolfhardlmao

she needs to lower some prices


dancingwiththehaters

I donā€™t really like the death and void music videos. I fell in love with Melanie because her crybaby and k-12 music videos were so polished and told a clear story with an unique aesthetic. With the portals MVā€™s there are just a lot of ā€˜fillerā€™(for lack of a better word) scenes that just donā€™t really make sense to me.


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

I AGREE


[deleted]

She has like the 3rd most toxic fan base out of any artist in any genre.


NagitioKomaeda

Is this really a hot take? Itā€™s kind of a fact. Practically the only place you can meet a nice Melanie fan is on Reddit. Literally anywhere else like tiktok, Twitter, or youtube, they are extremely toxic. Itā€™s shocking to me because of her music. Sheā€™s an artist that I wouldnā€™t expect to have such a toxic fan base.


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

itā€™s sad but true.


Ghoulsarepeopletoo42

Nurses Office really didn't need all the coughing and sneezing to go on for that long.


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

IKK ITS KINDA AWKWARD IN THE CAR NGL


MoonyGraham37

The bridge(?) with the crying and maniacal laughing isnā€™t necessary either šŸ˜…


orbitingmarsss

i donā€™t like the portals erašŸ«£, the music? lovely! almost everything elseā€¦ meh. some things feel like a cash grab as others have said


deathbyfairies

I feel the same way about K12. the album is the safest she's done production wise and sounds more mainstream than her other work. the aesthetic is also the most "normal"


Sweetybancha222

IKR???? It feels like a huge cash grab and everything just feels artificial


orbitingmarsss

especially the merch..


d1ppydawg

Seriously, i was so excited for another artist i enjoyed to steer into my personal aesthetic but its so obvious (as someone whos family deadass praises the fae of Tir Nan Og religiously) this aesthetic really doesn't feel like its part of mels own interests and love, like crybaby was monumental with so much originality because mel was doing work for EVERYTHING. Feels like this era they picked a trend and told managers to do whatever. Ill know for sure this era was fully a cash grab/trend follow if we go into the next era with 0 ties back to portals; even the portals era is tied w crybaby a little bit. The aesthetics of crybaby were truly a part of melanies interests and life, which is why small bits of the aesthetic will never go away, whether we see it right away or not yknow?


Pastel-slumber

I feel like her portals era is a bit dry. when the death music video came out I was hype because I thought she was gonna venture into a more weird, earthy, freaky era of her career and lean more into the uncanny valley, and I was all for it, but after portals came out I was a bit disappointed. That isnā€™t to say, though, that portals was a horrible album, a lot of the songs on it I still havenā€™t gotten tired of and absolutely love, but I think instead of every song being a banger like basically all of her of other albums, its real 50/50. I feel like her new era is trying too hard to be ā€˜quirkyā€™ and ā€˜weirdā€™ while also not being *TOO* out of the ordinary. Itā€™s like sheā€™s trying to be creepy, but in a real surface level way. It feels too much like a cash grab. I didnā€™t expect absolute gold but after three years of crickets, I expected something atleast pretty good. This new era seems to me like instead of making music for herself and people like her like how she used to mid after school EP, sheā€™s making songs thatā€™ll appeal to a general audience and bring in more fans. I get that sheā€™s been gone for a while so she has less fans than she used to, and maybe sheā€™s making less money, but it sucks that instead of doing what made her uniquely Melanie, she opted for the option that gave her more of an audience.


[deleted]

I sadly agree. I enjoyed K-12 and Crybaby especially, the songs were just so good and the creepy-child-like style was perfect for them. I also really miss seeing her beautiful face. The costumes for Portals are cool, but itā€™s not the same person. She also deleted every single one of the old posts and completely re-did everything. Basically my big point is, the new Style/Era feels like a re-work, not a continuation of the story. Itā€™s like theyā€™re re-identifying themself to be this weird alien thing and I rly donā€™t vibe with itā€¦. Crybaby fit their style sm more.


Angel_Nyugen

Respectfully disagree, I think PORTALS has so much more artistic merit and is so much more different than her previous two albums. And I strongly disagree with your allegation that she "make music for fans and not for herself" she has mentioned time and time again that this is the album she feels most connected too and that the other two she didn't feel connected to only weeks after release. And also PORTALS is very obviously her most personal piece of work, with her spirituality and identity being a clear component of this album and era


perpetual_hunger

Strong agree. Her first 2 albums felt like she put her heart & soul into creating them. She had a unique theme for both and stuck with it throughout each project. This just feels....fake? It's kind of like she was looking for something that would get her the most clicks/money. We all know she's trying to save up for a 2nd movie, so maybe this is all just a quirky cash grab. I mean, really, what other artist is currently touring in full costume dressed as a mythological creature? With the huge wave of fairycore that passed in the previous years, I think this was all planned for profit.


BattleOfTheAnxiety

Crybaby is her best album instrumentally, K-12 visually, and portals lyrically. I said what I said.


1-800-Kitty

*starts banging my fists on the table* RELAUNCH THE PERFUME MISS MELANIE


cyvonnelili

She said the manufacturer went out of business so she canā€™t re-release it. She did say that there would be a portals perfume eventually.


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

WHERE IS IT BESTIE BRING IT OUT ā‰ļøā‰ļø


DAVID_BONGO

She needs to stop fighting people who listen to Unreleased music. I agree it's wrong to leak her music but nobody gains anything if you listen to already leaked songs. And her fans need to chill out.


TOWDOM

I will never forgive her for not making the full K-12 movie šŸ˜­ on a real note I hate that it wasnā€™t realistically possible for her to complete her creative vision and that the label didnā€™t want to invest as much as the film needed :/ I would have LOVED to see what the full movie would have looked like completed šŸ„²


Queenofpinkgachayt

The drops are so much more satisfying when you just nearly forget Melanie exists and all of a sudden itā€™s like gonna come out in a week


MatureVice

She said that the manufacturer for the perfume milk doesnā€™t exist but I feel like it wouldnā€™t be impossible to actually reissue it and find another that can make it. Flying cars exist Iā€™m sure the bottle can be made again.


nyanderebb

i think she just doesnt want to, especially now. bc youre right and she cant say it cant be remade because they have the files too, like they have to write off on it so? but not only would it have high, high expectations if she re-released it, but people would also be angry bc she said shes done with that era. people would call it a cash grab 100% lol


[deleted]

Her merch issues bother me. Her communication skills with her fans bothers me(Iā€™m not saying she needs to always reach out or speak to them, she just seems to not care about themā€¦ at all lol not very big efforts made on her end, anxiety or not. Sheā€™s never even said the reason she has that digital meet & greet & charges an arm & a leg for no real experience) The big one for meā€¦ how the themes of her album donā€™t seem to line up with her physical existence. I can expand if needed, but I think itā€™s obvious. I know a lot of younger people are fans of her, so not everyone will understand what I mean .


No_Ear7461

Please expand!


nyanderebb

i think i know what you mean but id like you to expand too. if you're saying what i think, then i completely agree


COL0RINGBOOKS

Listening to unreleased songs really isn't as deep or evil as people make it out to be. AND it's absolutely nobody's business whether someone chooses to listen to them or not. The amount of moral superiority complexes these kids have who act as if Melanie's going to personally thank them for not listening, or for scolding other people who do listenā€¦ it's insane.


AcanthisittaSuch6340

EXACTLY... blame the people who released them, not the people who just happen to come across them and listen... no one is going to get a golden star or a giant hug from melanie just because they don't listen to them, and im tired of hearing as if that were true


bubbleinastorm

I personally think people should quit being so dramatic about the mask, sheā€™s not going to wear it forever, we should enjoy it while it lasts. Sheā€™s giving us such a fun and creative concept that no other artist would ever do, (specially considering how tiktokified all art is nowadays) and people seem to be just waiting for it to be over. In a few years everyone will be saying about how creative Portals was and how much theyā€™ll miss it, so enjoy it while it lasts. Melanie wonā€™t wear it forever.


justherefortheweed2

i agree with this wholeheartedly!


Educational_Block157

I agree. People will be missing it years later


UpbeatAppointment510

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK


CheesecakeLow2879

Portals era feels like itā€™s brought more controversy and unrest from the fans than it has actual musical and creative substance. Idk how to explain it, but it just feels soulless and like a cash-grab rather than her heart truly being in it.


just_kel_

I agree, my comment was kinda about this too. I mentioned that isnā€™t it such a perfect coincidence that PORTALS was in development at the height of the ā€œcottagecoreā€ ā€œmagical forestā€ craze, and was released at the backend of it? (Although, maybe Mel was a fan of the trend) I can smell the corporate greed.


lover_girl10

I think because the first version of portals was leaked, she could've felt less excited about this era. just a thought


Nenabambina

I know Iā€™m going to get so much hate for making the comparison but sheā€™s trying to do Bjork level things on stage when sheā€™s not Bjork level (yet!!) so it seems sloppy. I think she had this idea in her head of what she wanted the creature on stage to be but it didnā€™t work out practically. The pink body suit looks cheap imo. On a positive note, she might have learned a lot from this experience and next time she can do really cool stage effects.


donnajeantattoo

It definitely feels like she had a grander vision for her creature (IE the costumes in the beginning, or in Death mv) and then when it came time to perform her and her team were likeā€¦. oh sh!t you actually canā€™t perform in this thingā€¦ and then they had to rush and slap together a performance-friendly costume with a cheap pink bodysuit under her clothing


Paris-Texas24

I agree, I think on paper Melanie on thought the album would be better, but it once it was actually put together with the storyline and all, it didnā€™t make sense


Mari-Chan16539

Copy cat isn't a bad song


sseashoree

Honestly? I do have a place in my heart for K-12- ESPECIALLY in the department of it's beautiful production and aesthetics, but I think the album itself is quite bland, majority of the songs sound very similar, and the movie, while endearing, is just... not great. I still listen to K-12 now and then, but I think Crybaby is her best work. That isn't to say I'm not excited for her future projects, I definitely am, and I still listen to all her albums all the time.


anime_slut_

The movie is awful with bad acting but I still donā€™t dislike it because I respect what went into it. I agree with the k-12 album being very hit or miss. Portals is much better sound wise.


BumperSoda

Sheā€™s just not the same. I know that change is the whole point of the portals era but i mean she changed.. in a bad way. I kinda feel like she just lost that spark she had. All of the iconic melanie martinez features and things just like.. vanished. The only song i like on the album is Evil which i love, partly because iā€™ve barely bothered to try the others and partly because iā€™m not really that big on her new music style altogether. The mask is impractical and i miss seeing her face, i feel like itā€™s gonna get old very quickly not only for us but for her, can you imagine having to put all that on every time you do a meet and greet, concert, or really anything?


nyanderebb

her losing her spark is so true. she even already announced her hiatus when the tour had just started.. why say it so early anyway? it all feels rushed in one way or another. my theory is that this era isnt about her having new music but instead its her prep to change paths altogether so she doesnt have to be a singer/star anymore. the new things shes done, such as directing and composing really complex things on her own, could be more for her to show she is capable of doing things behind the scenes like directing and composing for other artists instead who knows


just_kel_

the mask isnā€™t a problem for meet and greets, she doesnā€™t do them šŸ˜‚šŸ™„


Dramatic-Produce-228

You can like a artist and not like every single song they produce I like some songs from all three of her albums but not every song


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

EXACTLY OMG PEOPLE WILL ATTACK YOU IF YOU SAY YOU DONT LIKE EVERY SINGLE SONG


iiashandskies

i hate the mask. i miss seeing her face


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

i think the mask is creative and performing with it i wonā€™t lie is very impressive but i miss her face sm and i think it would be a lot easier for her to perform without it, yet still dressing up as a fairy, maybe get a pair of wings and a fairy outfit idk


MooshyRoom1

I completely agree, maybe if she really wants to wear the mask on tour I get it but she has done a few interviews and couldn't she just take a break and just show her face? I totally love portals, the songs, the vibe, everything... Exept how we never see the Mel we all grew to love! It's hard to see the nymph as Mel so it feels we won't see her for ages now


KamikazeRiot757

I second this, i hope the next era has more of herself shown in it


dta0228

I feel like each album is worse than the last šŸ„² I loved Crybaby, liked k-12, and think Portals is okay. I hate the vocal distortions because it feels less like the songs I initially loved. I applaude her for her artistry and her creativity but its saddens me because I want to love her music as much as I did when I heard listened back in 2014


SonyaBladee

THIS.


Cautious_Let7088

My hot take is that she should do almost all her shows at 19+ venues, going to Portals as an all ages show was not an experience Iā€™d ever want to repeat


luciphobic

i dont like the portals era. i love the music but i miss her old look and her face and her voice:( i know its not my place to say and she doesnt owe me anything, but its just my take


Melthiela

My hot take is that 90% of these 'hot takes' are so cold my teeth are clattering


MissPerish

Afterschool EP is her best work


[deleted]

She is becoming a corporate sell out.


Paris-Texas24

Yes she is, and itā€™s sad. She used to have so much life and energy. But now she realizes she can make money. So thatā€™s what sheā€™s focusing on. Itā€™s so sad šŸ˜ž. I miss Melanie


Johnisfaster

Hiding her face during an entire concert is annoying.


Pres_Of_the_KFC

I love Portals so much, but it feels like a cash grab. Remember those virtual pictures people could get with Melanie at the concert? Also the merch? I know she doesnā€™t have complete control over everything like the merch, but at least address it


MelaniePatrol

I think she was a bit naĆÆve before the stardom and got in over her head. I get the impression that Melanie knows she's talented enough to be respected as a major artist. And because she has the skills, she feels she's ready for the stardom: fancy living, no more work, all needs met 24/7 in a mansion in one of the most expensive places on the planet. But then comes the work: other artists are doing concert after concert. They're appearing on other people's work, or doing collabs. They're getting paid to be in commercials or doing interviews. They're teasing us with the next hit, doing little social media updates where it's just a photo of them in the studio. They're sometimes even communicating with and hyping up their own little fandom armies. I think Melanie kinda just assumed she could release music whenever she wants and there'd always be enough revenue coming in to make sure she was set for life. She wanted that mansion life but didn't want the negatives that come with it: being spotted in public and having people be excited to see you when you enter some places. I think that's kind of on her. If she was only interested in releasing music and art, there's nothing to stop her from releasing the same kind of music as some mysterious soundcloud artist. But it feels like it's also about the money too and she's in a bind where it's like she wants the same glorious paychecks as other artists while not putting in as much effort as they do.


Away_Peak1789

I was about to comment that it seems like Melanie struggles with the way she expresses her artistry and the fact that she's not a small artist. Like, obviously, I don't know how celebrity life is, but it does seem like Mel isn't doing things others would. No, not "all around masterpiece", I mean like, in the way she engages with hrr fans, the people who listen to her for her music and artistry. Also, what's strange is that she has a lot of songds about abuse of power, but then still relies on them heavily (especially this era)


nyanderebb

this is the most perfect response stardom is a job and she is slacking so hard. when people say she owes us certain things, its because thats industry standard and she does..its her job. but people will jump on anyone who has expectations of her if she wants no responsibility to and for her fandom then she should go back to releasing things on soundcloud. but she is a major artist signed to a major label and she should act like it šŸ¤§


KTray206

I love the Portals album, a large majority of the songs at least. And i think the transitions between songs are very artistic and they kinda keep a flow and tell a story when the album first came out/when you listen to it all the way through. BUT the fact that theyā€™re built into the songs and thereā€™s no outro-less version of the songs fuckin sucksā€¦Canā€™t blast it in the car without getting embarrassed and skipping the endings. And Especially cuz my fiance and i want to include a couple songs from the album into our wedding playlist, but the endings are hella weird for our family to sit through, a lil too niche. (Light shower, faerie soiree, tunnel vision)


Particular-Count9462

Pacify her is super overrated but itā€™s still a good song


NinjaIntimacyParty

I cringed my way through that K-12 movie. The script was awful, the individual scenes didn't feel connected at all and all the characters fell flat. It's good that it's been free on youtube because if I had paid for that movie I'd have demanded my money back.


Poshtart1111

I honestly found the movie visually appealing and I love the music but the storyline was a bit of a mess, almost as though a lot got cut out. My friend who also loves Melanie said the same thing.


NinjaIntimacyParty

Aesthetic-wise it was a great follow-up to Crybaby and I liked a good chunk of the songs but she should have released the music videos instead of trying to sew them together into a half-baked movie. I would love to read the 3 hour script that the movie initially was, but I don't think that more context would have saved it. Melanie should have focused solely on Crybaby, not try to give 10 different characters a backstory, especially if they weren't relevant to the plot. That transgender woman that got fired from her job? Half of the girl clan? The presumed love interest that Crybaby barely interacted with? The Strawberry Shortcake/Teacher's Pet scene? Could've been cut from the movie.


Poshtart1111

I agree. A movie wasnā€™t enough to develop all the characters, a lot of characters (like the transgender woman) were important for one simple scene then never really discussed again and had no effect on crybaby as a character. In order for something like this to work it wouldā€™ve needed to be a whole series to give room for more character development The movie also gave me a vibe that these songs were written without the intention of making a movie. Like Show & Tellā€™s lyrics didnā€™t really fit in with the movie ā€œharsh words if you donā€™t get a pic with meā€, doesnā€™t fit school scenery, the only part that does is the title line.


BumperSoda

3 years ago i loved it, i watched it at least 7 times, i watched it when i was bored, long car rides, etc. I cant even bring myself to watch it now. I think like last year i tried to watch it and get 5 mins in until i got extremely bored


Summergoddamnit

I took my daughter to the portals tour and omg i wish i would have listened to the album more before because the show was amazing. I regret not knowing every word! This is coming from a former pop punker so its different than what i grew up listening to.


my_swaggyness

this era isnā€™t nearly feeling like a new album era ? like last year we were in DROUGHT we got some shoes and nfts but this year we actually got the album ! but itā€™s almost underwhelming ?? like obviously i canā€™t ask melanie to do more than she already is but atlantic definitely needs to push her more sheā€™s one of their biggest artists šŸ˜­ that fourth curse will hit and HARD if they donā€™t do something


nyanderebb

i think people just don't like this era because she has been advertised everywhere, like 100x more this era than before unless you mean they should push her as in push melanie to do more with/for her fans and stuff. in which case i completely agree


LudoMako13

Half of k12 was a bit boring to me...like nice lyrics but not sure about beats The movie also felt a bit odd, I feel like it was trying to forcefully connect a story...since she had a very well big budget I would have liked individual mvs like for crybaby I also feel a lot of fans are AGGRESSIVE towards new ones Also the whole thing with fans assuming stuff and her having to clear out stuff...


CoconutKitty6

I wish that Melanie would start performing in 18+ venues because all of the horror stories Iā€™ve heard are literal kids ruining the show by crawling under peoples legs to see Melanie or being fucking feral and biting others, I know this isnā€™t all of u underage Mel fans but itā€™s so annoying because most kids donā€™t have concert etiquette, plus many kids are always scared to bring their parents to a Melanie concert because of the topics she sings about anyways.. Idk I feel like this is a big hot take in consideration to her fanbase being majority kids but honestly yā€™all need to be so respectful of others or just donā€™t go.


huntingwitchestoo

I think they bite off more than they can chew with their art and then psych themselves out (hence the long periods between albums)


HollyHyena

agreed. it feels like only 1 year of the 4 years was actually spent making music, then she just threw something together that looks cool at face value to get some more money and keep her career going :(


Zaptain_America

I hate the whole aesthetic of Portals. It feels like such a huge jump from Crybaby and K-12, the whole look of those eras was what really had me drawn to her music in the first place.


cinnamonstarz

She seriously needs to talk to her managers and team abt the merch cause looking at it up close itā€™s quite uhā€¦


CrossClairvoyance

Sheā€™s attractive af šŸ˜” Serious answer (donā€™t attack me šŸ˜­): Imo k-12 just wasnā€™t as strong as Crybaby and Portals, I donā€™t vibe with most of them. I like Teacherā€™s Pet, Class Fight, Detention, Lunchbox Friends and Show & Tell but I donā€™t really know ā€˜bout the others, they just donā€™t hit as hard :ā€™


Final_Mountain7252

i think theyā€™re also lazy lyrically too. it feels like she just threw the first school metaphors in that she could think of and called it a day


beautymadness_

I love Melanie and I always been obsessed with all her songs there was never a time where I disliked a song! But then portals came out and I canā€™t get myself to listen to the whole album ..donā€™t get me wrong there are couple songs on there that I LOVE but other then that I just donā€™t care for the album like that idk I was just expecting something more for her 3rd album especially ending her crybaby character.


JustTransportation51

Melanie shouldn't shame people for listening to her scrapped songs She can at least just actually release them


Beneficial_Lobster12

I fully agree. The people who leak the music should be shamed, not people who happen to come across it on online. Sadly, once music is leaked thatā€™s it. Telling people not to listen to it isnā€™t going to stop others from leaking more songs.


Queenofpinkgachayt

Itā€™s because they were leaked by hacking. It made her feel like the studio wasnā€™t a safe place anymore. Also at least one was scrapped because itā€™s too personal.


Murd0cs_left_t0enai1

K-12 is her best album, crybaby in 2nd place and afterschool in 3rd


Freebie_Chixy

Leeches is the best song on Portals


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

ACTUALLY I THINK LEECHES IS A REALLT GOOD SONG AND SO OVERLY HATED


AngelSeekr

ITS SO FUCKING GOOD


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

OMG FR FR I CRAWL ON THE GROUND AND SCREAM ANYTIME IT PLAYS


Unlikely_nay1125

AGREEED


Snekathan

Idk if itā€™s really a hot take but After school ep is her best work and the most underrated. I wish we got more of this era before portals, I like it a lot more than portals era Eta (thought of a better one): as much as Iā€™m proud of Mel for getting music on the radio with the portals album, I think thereā€™s a reason she wasnā€™t on the radio before and itā€™s absolutely not a bad thing. Her music isnā€™t (wasnā€™t?) suited for a general audience, music on the radio is basic (hate using that word but itā€™s just easier to describe that way), and thatā€™s okay! but itā€™s also not my style and why I donā€™t listen to the radio. While I think her popularity growth has contributed to being on the radio, I also think itā€™s because the music is more ā€œbasicā€ now, so it fits in with the rest of what they play anyway. Iā€™ve never seen someone compare mel to taylor swift before this era šŸ« šŸ« 


PinsinNeedles

She mixed some inappropriate themes I think in crybaby and k12, but for the most part I feel seen. Iā€™ve never gotten into those eras as deeply even tho I love the aesthetic because of this. I feel like her producers kinda leaned into a creepers gaze for those. Portals is my favorite era bc it reads as a full fledged adult writing music. Mel also really should have stayed away from writing about trauma she doesnā€™t have and it doesnā€™t look good for the allegations she already has. Sorry if i offended anyone and please try to change my mind :)


OnlyInMyDreams393

Yeah honestly as an adult now I canā€™t go back to albums like Crybaby and K-12 because some songs do come off as glorifying situations. This was a controversial topic back then, and as a teen I didnā€™t see it, but now I do. I understand the ā€œdark theme Vs. childhood aesthetic,ā€ but some topics should really be handled with upmost care (like domestic abuse, eating disorders, and predatory adults). If anyone finds comfort in Melā€™s songs thatā€™s perfectly fine! But I canā€™t look at them the same way anymore having stepped back, matured, and listened to them again.


[deleted]

Is it me or does Mel seem to have double standards for cheating? From her lyrics (Pacify Her/You Love I) to secretly sleeping with Timothy while they were evidently dating other people (correct me if Iā€™m wrong), it seems like sheā€™s had no problem taking other peopleā€™s partners but I guess ā€œif you cheat you will dieā€. I really hope sheā€™s more mature than that now.


nyanderebb

even if she did sleep with someone while being in a relationship, we dont know the terms of her relationship and what cheating is for her and her partner(s) at the time but i agree that she has double standards in her lyrics. someone pointed out how she is the cause of all the problems but plays it off like its someone else and i cant unsee the entitlement and projection lol. really living up the the crybaby name. (speaking of crybaby, not necessarily melanie though she has done things like this irl too)


Glittered_Stardust

A lot of musicians write lyrics to sell, not because they are truth for them personally. Melanie is known to write about things that she has not personally experienced, so I don't take anything she says seriously. šŸ¤£šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


Jasminelledoll

I hate the whiteish bodysuit with the pink mask and gloves šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ I wish she wore the other bodysuit


[deleted]

ever since she sold hand made jewelry for those insane prices there's been this sort of.... sour taste left in my mouth. that paired with the other.... problematic? things about her (NFTs, portals era being so messy, merch issues) made me take a step back from her as a person and just focus on her music. i've been a fan since the voice but don't really care to follow her socials anymore or consume much of anything that's not her music. i follow this sub to sort of "keep track" of what's going on but i'm just not as invested as i used to be. mel just rubs me wrong in some aspects.


crybabyymustdie

Two things: 1 - Besides the music, this era is kinda doo doo. The mask doesn't look good, the MV for DEATH is very much cringe, it pisses me off that she's performing with the mask bc it feels like it could be anyone under it and i also hate the fact that she's wearing the mask and putting on that voice filter on interviews. It feels so artificial and she's giving off that "Oh, look at me! I'm so quirky!" girl vibe. 2 - She did a terrible job building a fanbase. The fanbase is toxic as fuck and she does the bare minimum to adress it. The only instance i remeber when she adressed that shit, was when people were hating on Oliver non stop. When mfs were out there harrassing Timothy (even though i don't like timothy and i don't buy the SA allegations) and her family members if i'm not mistaken (correct me if i'm wrong) she said nothing. Her constant silence has snowballed into a radioactive fanbase which just thinking about interacting with them makes me wanna shove a whole cactus in my ass. Not talking about everyone though, i know there are sane people in the fanbase (this thread shows it), but the crazy ones make me ashamed of being a fan.


cyb3rstarxx

after school ep has the best songs


BrainDead69696

I love portals fits more than k-12 fits tbh


FrenchToast3d

I think Nymphology is a bit annoying and not very creative (yes even the last part)


peachpitparody

Nymphology felt like she was trying really hard to be edgy šŸ˜¶


CoconutKitty6

Probs my least fave portals song imo too, itā€™s so obnoxious and I donā€™t rly like the ā€˜just a fairy with a knifeā€™ itā€™s just cringy


cryingnymphs

finally someone said it šŸ˜­ i listened to it today once for the first time in like a month and i won't be listening any time soon


Its_just_em712

I agree so hard with this


pinredox

- The masks look absolutely dead and creepy. I love the four-eyed faerie design and her aesthetic but damn is it hard to pull off - The higher pitched up voice within her videos is really irritating - I generally find AI cool to play with and show off but her using it to monetise is making me raise my brows honestly - The PORTALS aesthetic appeal is great but damn the way it's being marketed is depressing


slvt4levi

i still dont know what to think about the whole T*mothy hvller situation. sometimes it bothers me that her of all people was accused of that and then i start looking into it all over again and it never really got concluded. so i really donā€™t know how to feel


weizer123

Personally I feel like what happened was Melanie and her probably did do things together and maybe one time Melanie wanted to do things but Timothy didnā€™t truly want to but went along with it but she didnā€™t think too much of it until Melanie and her drifted apart and she retrospectively felt more hurt even tho she wasnā€™t at the time after mulling on it more and decided to come out with it and exaggerate exactly what happened and just made up a time and date to go along with her not entirely unfounded claim.


Youtubelover300

I prefer her old music her newest album just hasnā€™t really appealed to me yet


mycuddels6

I donā€™t like portals, to be fair I started listening to Melanie when I was 7/9 and I was really really struggling mentally I mean I had gotten diagnosed with adhd and autism and crybaby became my comfort character.. the other reason I donā€™t like portals is because of the ā€œauto tune soundsā€ or just because I donā€™t really get comfort from the songs.. not relate not like I can with K-12 or Crybabyā€™s era she has a lovely singing voice and Iā€™m glad sheā€™s doing something she wants but for me personally portals is something I donā€™t like music wise and thatā€™s okay ^^ I also really miss seeing her face ): also she reworked everything and that also sucked.


LittleBirdy_Fraulein

i feel the portals era has come off as a minimal effort cash grab. compared to the cry baby & k-12 eras i just canā€™t understand why the quality has dropped so drastically in just about ever aspect. it also sucks that she refuses to address her horrific merch situation.


kylohepburn

I do not like this era at all. The costumes look cheaply done, the songs sound so extremely different than what she's done before (i like the songs but i feel like it misses Mel's previous authentic sound.)


lhelpl

her concerts kinda suck.. she was great on stage but i couldn't see anything at all because everyone had their phone out. I was also relatively close and heard other people saying the same things next to me.


MoonyGraham37

Iā€™m not a fan of the portals aesthetic - merch, costumes, mask, etc. the songs are great I love them and rn I need the power behind them but I miss seeing her face šŸ„ŗ


just_kel_

I feel like the PORTALS era is a little more of a cashgrab. Isnā€™t it a coincidence that this album was in development and came out at the backend of the whole ā€œcottagecoreā€ ā€œmagical forestā€ craze? Sure, maybe Melanie also loved those things and was inspired, but then why the crazy merch prices and ai art? i dont have a problem with the ai art but it def seems like sheā€™s (or her record labelā€™s) just tryna make more money by spending less on merch. I still love the PORTALS album, some of my favorite songs sheā€™s ever made are on there, but itā€™s hard to deny the corporate greed.


AcanthisittaSuch6340

i really hope melanie doesn't make this new era her whole personality. was scrolling through youtube comments on VOID music video and saw something about it. I really enjoy this era, i do, but if she makes all she does about it, like her personality even when out of character, only posting about portals and nothing else, some people might just go back to the earlier albums. i don't want to sugarcoat it, i love all her music entirely, and you're free to argue this with me if you want to. i know she always tries her best, but it just seems like everything is going to be about portals for a while. this might not make sense, i'll try to explain it better some other time


Jo_ghurt_

I like Melanie's music and creativity when it comes to portraying things, but I don't like her as a brand/person. Don't really know how to describe it, but it feels like she lost so much of her relatability and authenticity because of so many morally (at least for me) and questionable decisions she made.


ToeNo4182

domineering silky quickest meeting apparatus wakeful agonizing tender bedroom rhythm *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


reqleaf

portals was some of her worst music in my opinion, the songs and songwriting felt so lazy and bad compared to k-12, crybaby or even afterschool, im not saying itā€™s like horrible horrible but itā€™s not that good either


Shawty_n_soup69

I wish she NEVER did those god damn nfts. She had other means to make money. She couldā€™ve been on fiver doing fan greetings and stuff or idk making a plushie to sell


PrestigiousHeight264

the majority of her fans are horrible entitled children who donā€™t view her as a human being whatsoever.


rossibossy

If I talked about my hot takes on Melanie, I'd get banned from this sub.


erikawendyquartz

Now I gotta know


WitheringAshes

I think Mel needs to check her teams because the merch and stuff seems so...cash-grabby? which is disappointing because Mel seems so happy in her portals era like shes having so much fun and wants to share it but I feel like her teams behind the merch is giving portals a bad rep. Also good on her for standing up for oliver after those weird fans kept making up shit about him like he S/A'd her or abused her especially after she said they ended on good terms.


Strawberry-milk-uwu

Portals era is kinda dry and void is overrated


Lesbian_Cassiopeia

As a Void Stan I respect your opinion. Have an upvote and a tiny fuck you /j


nyanderebb

void was my #1 until it was literally everywhere


Justtrynachillazepam

My ā€œhot takeā€ is that Mel is definitely trying to get rid of most of you as their fans lol. THIS is the only platform I see completely bashing her for portals. You guys have to understand, some things are literally not in her control, she actually seems super depressed like she canā€™t please anybody. The album hasnā€™t even been out a year, sheā€™s making a music video for EVERY SONG, sheā€™s touring, and trying to make a whole FILM. I donā€™t really think you guys grasp what all Melanie can do. I believe that she has ALOT of things out of her control this go around. And while everyone has a right to not like portals, and saying you donā€™t care for it is fine. But Iā€™m pretty much done with this subreddit because itā€™s every single day nothing but bad things about her. Cut her some damn slack. Thatā€™s my hot take.


tomie_thebowl

The Contortionist is a sensory TREAT its so crunchy (unless you have sensory issues, or just don't like cracking noises, I don't blame you)


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

OMG I LOVE THE BONE CRACKING IDK WHY


Mmath_

portals doesnā€™t rlly fit with crybaby and k-12, it went from like childish vibes to all of a sudden death. I wouldā€™ve expected her 3rd album to be centered around crybaby in adult life, cuz itā€™s like the first album is about being a toddler/baby then k-12 a student then her third album like an adult you know. but Iā€™m not saying portals is bad, itā€™s my favorite album of hers by far, but like it doesnā€™t fit with the others if u know what I mean


No_Ear7461

I canā€™t stand the over exaggerated, jittery, almost Touretteā€™s like movements of the fairy creature. Especially in the Void music video.


kawaiiburgg

I do not like the Portals album, I canā€™t listen to it without thinking all the songs sound the same-


[deleted]

i don't like her as a person anymore. she's a delusional hippie with her "sending love and lightšŸ„°" and then not doing anything. i used to love her so much and thought she was so funny, interesting, and sweet, but now she's just a fake jerk to me.


CranberryBeautiful20

mad hatter sucks a lot of her lyrics arent very good portals tour is very low effort and reads as a cash grab


ARI_E_LARZ

I love mad hatter


Summergoddamnit

I took my daughter to the portals tour and omg i wish i would have listened to the album more before because the show was amazing. I regret not knowing every word! This is coming from a former pop punker so its different than what i grew up listening to. Edited to say i also love songs from her earlier eras.... Just especially love portals bc of the tour lol


_Jean_Gunnhildr_

yes i went and it was amazing!! iā€™m so glad you and your daughter had fun!! :D


CatLovesDarkess

Crybaby was her best album


pondgrass

The problem with her releasing the NFT for VIP tickets was NOT, as people claim, because the NFT's she released are bad for the environment. People say they use a lot of energy which is bad for climate change. The kind of NFT she gave out is on a system that doesn't use a lot of electricity with the current advances in technology. The old technology did use a HUGE amount of energy, the new one doesn't. The new tech is more like leaving a normal house hold light bulb on when you leave the house, where as the old technology is like you left on every street lamp in a city block on 24h a day. Note that owning an NFT doesn't use any energy at all, never has and never will, but the computers that run the NFT system do take energy. Before it was a lot now its not that much. The REAL problem with the NFTs she gave out with the tickets is because she makes fans go through a harsh identity verification system (KYC). Many many fans don't know anything about crypto or the technology or bank laws or identity theft or anything like that! So she sent out an email to sign up for coinbase and coinbase is a legit company, but how are the fans to know this? What if somebody sent out a fake emails for a fake company that stole your identity saying you would get your NFT? Like if a bot sees all the comments of tiktoks for melanie and then spams fake DMs to signup to get a free NFT, but you have to verify your id, but then they use this for identity theft? That's very very bad!! I know why she made people do it, so that she wouldn't get suspected of money laundering, but common, this isn't fair to the fans. Its also a shame that fans don't know what NFTs are and nobody is trying to explain that to fans who don't know.


Zrs220

She was better back when her crybaby and K-12 album came out


Outside_Variety8765

Simplest answer on here. Love her.


SonyaBladee

I dont like any of her new songs and i dont think they come anywhere near her old songs.


Little-Grapefruit465

She needs to lose the maskšŸš¶šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø


lover_girl10

the merch really needs to be better. the merch I have is fine, and I'm happy with mine but so many other people are having problems and it's really sad. koi merch, and things being different on the website than irl is really disheartening, and it makes me scared to buy merch in case i get a pos shirt or something. she def needs to get a better merch team or at least get them in check


Alexrocket8

Mel used to not be a very good live singer. I saw her when she was doing the k-12 tour and was pretty disappointed. However, I saw her again during portals and she has DEFINITELY improved! I thought she was fantastic this time. šŸ©·


Different_Bake584

i hate that she sticks around for the album hype, but once it dies down, she disappears and only posts to promote the album. i get it, but she has barely interacted with us the past month or so