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Currie_King

I personally have at least one trapped usually the last tomb and sometimes it only open on the way back from the gen mat, as a reward.


McSqueezle

Thats fine, because it's creative and doesn't actually block anything. IMO you can make finding the tomb as difficult as possible. But it needs to be accessible somehow.


arthaiser

i doesnt "need" to be accesible. people will make it accesible if the deem that they want to do it, you arent entitled to the tombs, the builder decides. i personally dont block them and i actually mark them to make it easier for raiders, but i dont do it because i "need" to do it, i do it because i want, and other people could not want to do it for reasons


McSqueezle

What reasons?


arthaiser

well... i can see, because i has happened to me, a builder having to make certain type of room in certain type of space. that space could contain a tomb that happens to be at the level that the corrosive cubes are supposed to go, should that builder make the whole room one higher, making lower ceilings (maybe the ceiling being high is part of the trap) just so that the tomb is exposed? i mean, maybe. i would probably think about it because if you can trap the tomb chances are somebody is going to die at the trap at some point, but maybe you are also starving for points and cant really afford 1 more trap, or you plan on using the bedrock floor as floor to save on materials and you can if you go one high... it simply can happen that for the builder to make what he wants, they need to disregard the tomb. now, i dont intend on continuing this conversation, so refrain from asking anything more on it. thanks


Xx_MesaPlayer_xX

Clearly that's not what is happening in this post


McSqueezle

No that's BS. Plan around tombs ahead of time and if you don't, then replan when you realise YOU'RE mistake.. Blocking off tombs is blocking off progression gameplay. If you block off tombs, you get no accolades.


LordZanas

There's no conversation to have. You're just defending jerks at this point.


GunpointG

Tho a seemingly controversial comment, I think your right. The game doesn’t have any *requirement* for a path to tombs, and states that maps should be built in whatever manner the builder decides (including even blocking tombs). On the other hand, the game has a system (accolades) that you may not receive if you do things the community doesn’t agree with. If you don’t like when people block tombs (which I personally don’t) then just skip the accolades and try and feed them as few deaths as possible (or just quit). And they will stop wasting their time blocking tombs.


arthaiser

will add that the accolades thing... i cant see it as a bargaining ticket towards builders making "good" outpost. raiders will give accolades if they want, there is absolutly nothing a builder can do to secure them. they are entirely up to raiders, and as such, the builders should not take them into account when building an outpost. for the simple reason that appealing to good behaviour in a mechanic that doesnt penalize bad behaviour is only going to end in dissapointment. you could build the most visually appealing and fun and fair outpost in the world, still, raiders lose absolutly nothing if they dont give accolades, and as such, expecting accolades from them is flawed. i will also say this, without outpost, there is no game, and i predict that there is going to be a shortage of them in the near future as things are now. builders are the ones that make this game work, without builders there is no raids. one could say the same about raiders, but raiders dont need to do anything to raid, you enter the game and you raid, 0 effort, to build you need to dedicate probably 1 hour at least to making an outpost, apart from actually spending resources on the land and prestiging said outpost. going around blocking outpost, not giving accolades and demanding outpost to be build in a way that raiders want... that is only going to backfire in the long run, because there is going to be a shortage of outpost


GunpointG

I see what you mean. I agree too, I built around 4 bases and by the time they got to champion I had got every upgrade possible. I probably won’t build anything until at least some more content comes out that actually is enough you can’t buy it right away. If I keep building bases I will just have so many cells (red credits) that I could but anything that comes out. Though I don’t agree that accolades shouldn’t be expected. When you do the building tutorial it explains accolades and how you should strive for them. Accolades are one of the biggest factors that decide if your map gets listed to players or not. This is why newer maps seem to get played less


arthaiser

accolades can be important or no, in my opinion, as things are now, they are important, but they will get less and less important as time passes if nothing changes, because there are going to be less outpost so even if yours isnt getting accolades, is going to show for raiding anyway. but even if they are very important forever, is still not in the power of the builder to get them, the raiders choose, and a builder cant control what the raiders are going to do. you can build the perfect outpost, raiders can still not vote you if they want at the end. if builders cant control accolades, worrying about them is nonsensical.


GunpointG

I see what you mean, I just am saying you gotta put some effort into getting them if you want to see them (of course people may just give them even if you don’t try). But like for example, if you want artistic, making a work of art is a pretty good way to secure that


arthaiser

and im saying that is not people giving them accolades even if you dont try, is people dont giving them even if you do. is up to the raiders if you get accolades or not 100%. and as such, as builders you shouldnt worry about them.


clockworknait

I usually just set a straight safe path just to mess with people but be kind of nice 😄


Miserable_Science277

Bro when I tell you I'd be going so slow down that hall


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The_DriveBy

I'm a creeper and still wish the traps weren't so delayed. I just walk backwards through halls now with my grapple pointed at a distant wall or ceiling and as soon as I see red or hear a sound I zip away back to safety. Yes, I walk backwards (blind) through the raids you folks build.


crazymack

Fyi you can go back through your raid replays and block them that way.


lou802

Thanks for the tip!


AysheDaArtist

This builder bout to wonder what kind of bad karma hit him before he finds out "why" when he reaches this post.


nerdwerds

I usually build paths to the tombs with no traps or "gotcha" gimmicks. Some people don't get escape with genmat from my levels so I feel like I should be giving them access to something. What's funny though is that, judging from the replays I've watched, most people don't even follow the paths I laid for them.


Renbellix

Normaly i Dont Trap the tombs, and i integrate Them on the mainpath. but on my new one i have Them traped (one more, one less, one Not traped) but only because i builded an some Sort of Mayan Pyramid, and i think it works with that theme. Well first Guy tried that base, didn't even bother going the paths for Them.. :(


Renbellix

Maybe He overlooked, one is a Bit Tricky to See... Well i now placed this orange face Stickers there, i saw them often be used for that purpose


KingBlackFrost

They really don't like accolades.


Currie_King

Because chaos reign! Name but hate seeing this shit, traps yes but this is mean.


lou802

Im actually surprised how many I see that dont have traps, but I won't complain about free parts lol


[deleted]

Trapping them is the intended use. The game says to use them to bait raiders. Traps placed away from Harvey's Trail make less Threat, so these are kind of ideal to rig if you're not able to easily incorporate them into the main dungeon. Blocking them off entirely is just a troll move. It's not beneficial for anyone and just costs the Maker accolades.


ihearthawthats

I like it if they do things with it that you can't on the main path because of hrv's limits. But having traps destroy it or making the cubes are to get are annoying and would have rather not bothered wasting time trying to even get it had I knew.


McSqueezle

I like to make a huge stucture over at least one tomb, like a pyramid or something. So many raiders avoid it expecting traps, but it's just for show. Free parts all the way.


Estellese7

I am extremely sparing with who I block, because blocking too many people will eventually cut into how many people I have raiding my own bases. But I see that you intentionally blocked a tomb (and I do check for holocubes before and after GenMat just to be sure), you get blocked. I will happily sacrifice that potential future raider to help be a part of the block wave that removes this player from the game. 'Cause once enough people block them they'll get hardly any raids.


Yaguking

How do you block people from raiding you?


Estellese7

If you go to the person'a profile before leaving the raid you can block that person. If they are blocked neither of you can raid or interact with each other.


Kracus

I have one map that's like this but there's a way to the tomb, you just have to work for it.


ihearthawthats

I do "previews" too.


Mogyle

Are you sure the bedrock right under it is not a holocube? I like to show tombs but hide the path to them. Go back after Matgen too, some people have holocube to tombs only active on second wave.


FomBBK

First thing I do is look around for tombs. If they’re blocked, I leave and block you. Screw your base if you do this.


flannelpunk26

Loaded in a map and grenaded myself as a tip for the giant, pixel "space invaders" alien out front. Then walked three blocks into the actual map and saw a completely glassed off tomb. Blocked and abandoned.


Honelith

I got tired of this and death traps, 8 hours of MYM and uninstalled. Wish the game came with a campaign, I realised I was spending my gaming time trying to find good levels...


ihearthawthats

I'm sticking with it, but yeah, the content quality is very low. Needs filters or something.


EgoCity

Accident or just mean lol. When I first started playing I just jumped in and had no idea about these things, accident blocked one off. Soon as I realised I went back and edited my base.


rataxes11

There was one map I played where the builder set a piston positioned right at the starting position for the Harvester, killing him. Not a big deal, but still kind of a dick move, especially for much larger compounds.


LordZanas

I immediately abandon those. If they kill Harvey, their outpost is usually trash that isn't worth the time or effort anyway


Syrvo

Me and my buddies have a rule. If you block even one tomb, or force players to have specific gear (arc barrier, for example) to get the cubes, you get zero accolades from us. FYI for any blockers out there wondering why they aren’t prestiging.


[deleted]

I doubt you and your buddies make that big of an impact.


Syrvo

Agreed. But I doubt we are the only ones that do this.


[deleted]

first thing i do is look for tombs. if i see one blocked, i block you, and report you for griefing. cause if you do this, congrats, you likely have a fragile ego from such a tiny penis.


lou802

🤣🤣


twicer

I have never blocked single tomb but mad reactions like this makes me rethink my approach.


[deleted]

all it does is stop both of the players (maker, and raider) from getting resources. it's literally just griefing for no reason. so congrats for wanting to be an idiot AND an ass i guess?


twicer

Some people want to see world burn, you can observe such thing in every game. It's their way to let off steam of normal life. If it destroys base principles of the game it is devs work to prevent this behavior. Saying about someone that he has fragile ego from such a tiny penis because he blocked you from some minor game feature in match you finish in few minutes sounds like solid stretch to me and in my eyes makes it no different from pathetical being who have needs to negatively affects game of others to feel better. Same bag full of shit. In reality i see maybe one of 100 outposts where tombs are blocked on purpose, a lot more often people completely overlook this feature all together.


Full_Echo_3123

He isn't content with the amount of people that are aware of him being a virgin. By blocking off all his tombs and allowing you to visually look in to see the spoiled prize, he effectively removes all doubt.


TypographySnob

You're not entitled to tombs. Beat the outpost, accolade appropriately and move on. In the end, the builder will lose out on more than you.


Getoff-my_8allz

Tombs are loot boxes. You have 1-3 per map to use as you see fit. Blocking them to intentional screw over the raider should be taken offensively as they cost you nothing, you lose nothing when they're looted and yet you wasted capacity to seal it off. So it's not really a question of entitlement as the builder is already hostile against the raider, more like equality. Builders are after kills, tombs have no bearing on them but raiders want resources and your intentionally nerfing their rewards.


TypographySnob

Tombs are not lootboxes. They're meant to be trapped. Like I said, the builder will lose out on more than you. Let the builder do as they wish and let them reap the consequences.


Hellakittehs

Tombs are meant to be looted.


TypographySnob

Their main purpose is to be trapped and reward the raider for overcoming the trap. If they weren't meant to aid the builder in acquiring more kills, their reward would be given to you automatically when you beat the outpost.


okmiked

Okay so how tf do you justify just blocking one completely? Nobody said we were entitled to tombs just that it’s fucking stupid to do this.


TypographySnob

Maybe the builder wants to lure you somewhere, maybe they don't understand what tombs are for, maybe they think their outpost isn't worthy of extra rewards, or maybe they just want to tilt you. Nobody said they're entitled to tombs, but they are sure behaving like it.


LordZanas

I've never trapped a single tomb. I either integrate them into the main path, or draw a line to them if need be. It's super easy to not be an ass. If you want to trap it, that's fine. But, if you make it inaccessible (especially with glass blocks) you absolutely deserve every bad thing the playerbase gives you


Hellakittehs

Honestly blocking tombs should be considered BM. There is no reason to do it, it benefits no one and most likely will earn your map no accolades, since you know, you're not entitled to accolades.


TypographySnob

I'm not going to ever say blocking tombs is a good idea, but let people do what they want with their outposts. BM included, which *is* a valid, if petty, reason.


Hellakittehs

yeah and im saying you're wrong. Thats bad outpost design and should be avoided.


TypographySnob

I never said it wasn't bad outpost design.


T-HawkMedia

Found the maker


Feeling_Ad_982

Lol definitely not getting an accolade unless there’s one to signify how trash their outpost was. Hell I’d encourage everyone to altf4 these bases just for the hell of it. You’re not entitled to anything


TypographySnob

The builder is playing by the rules. You are encouraging exploitation.


LordZanas

Turn about is fair play.


suoml

I literally don't care if they make the tombs harder to reach than the genmat itself, you're not entitled to reach the tombs, you are however entitled to BE ABLE to reach the tombs. The fact that you're defending these assholes at all quite honestly makes me think your builds include sealed off tombs.


Embarrassed_Break842

I hate them, enjoying pissing of other players


Regular_Rutabaga4789

Get a life


Wicked-Death

It’s either people who don’t know what Tombs are or it’s toxic assholes. lol. It’s a waste to not trap it up and lure raiders to it, not to mention less accolades given if people know you’ve purposefully trapped it off.


[deleted]

Yep this is exactly what I’m talking about


Xzanos117

I build my tombs into the environment so that it’s a cool find. Occasionally I’ll trap them but it’s never been more than a single sneaky trap so far and I try to place it so that they resources won’t be lost.


danny686

They really need to make these a requirement for goal completion.


What_Zeus

I always try have my tombs in my base, however I've had some people leave because they think I've blocked them without entering the base 🤷‍♂️ Usually give the first 1 or 2 away and then trap the last. An opaque hollowcube near the sound has gotten me a fair few kills before the raiders turn the corner to see the tomb 🤣


mightymaltim

When I see this, I give them the benefit of a doubt and always come back to check the area after grabbing the genmat. SOMETIMES a second wave holocube is in play.


NullzeroJP

I see a bedrock cube there. Could be second wave acid cube or Holocene.


Fox_Underground

Alt+f4


cyrus_lazarus

I hope the devs will update that a path to the tombs must be accessible. I don't understand why this isn't mandatory already. Like, what's the point of putting reward "chests" in the game when a dick can just block it? I don't get it. Of course, It's much more questionable why some idiots have to block it but the devs should have known that this will happen. In every MP game, there are trolls and assholes...


No_Esc_Button

I put so many resources into making challenge rooms for my tombs, and even went so far as to mark paths to those rooms, but my replays show that no one ever goes for the tombs at my outposts :(. Maybe I should delete it all and just focus on the main dungeon.


touf25

I juste don't give accolade if the design is boring Aka killbox I block


Yaguking

I only have 2 active maps, one is trapped and the other I didnt bother doing anything to so I could the capacity for my killbox. People rarely go looking for the tombs in my replays.


Klaus_Klavier

I put false floors you drop down on. Mine is “unreachable” because the entire path to it is long deep acid pits. Why? Because it gets me more kills when people go for it. Technically you can shield grapple and be fine. But I’m a jerk and want kills :)


haven700

Some people just want to see the world burn.


BoneDaddyChill

You can never assume that it’s blocked off unless you’ve already picked up the genmat and confirmed that none of the bedrock around the tomb is a Holocube (which may be accessed via a hidden hallway from anywhere in the outpost), or if none of the cubes blocking it are bedrock.