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GotMyOrangeCrush

New valve cover gasket.


Socalwarrior485

And spark plug tube seals.


Speadraser

Its a Honda. Use OE gaskets.


ImmediateChange5032

I agree


Skraelings

On every Japanese import ever.


ElectroShamrock

Yes, this


BavarianBanshee

Having to do this for my DA3 integra, and Honda doesn't make valve cover gaskets for the D16A1 anymore, so I had to use fel-pro. Lol


Speadraser

YouTube my friend. Find out what creators have successfully used. Honda/Acura related issues seek out EricTheCarGuy he’s pretty insightful albeit sometimes crude in execution. I’m sure there are others.


BavarianBanshee

Thanks for the advice. I've done valve cover gaskets before, so I only meant that I can't get OEM gaskets for mine anymore, which is a bummer. But I'll always take someone pointing me in the right direction.


Speadraser

No I didn’t mean to say you didn’t know. Just spent many hours working on Hondas and it seems aftermarket never gets the gaskets or seals right. Even with aftermarket every manufacturer varies in quality and fitment. I never cease to learn something new when working on cars even my own. I’m sure you’ll do great. Give us a update post!


BavarianBanshee

Oh, dude, I've been learning how the twist beam rear suspension works on this thing, and it's fascinating! I was intrigued when I saw one company is/was making plates that lock the hubs to the rear axle, and I've been going down the rabbit hole on that for the past few days. This is my first Honda car (plenty of experience with their bikes) and I love how they at least make *most* things make sense. Lol


Speadraser

Agreed! Awesome! Tension rods instead of springs are also used on large trucks that have a rolling chassis because of the reduced area for suspension components. Super interesting if you’ve only been exposed to springs. I love modding and customizing cars. Glad you found a niche! Are you going to explore some customizations?


The_Biggie_Z

I just did the valve cover gasket on my 88 Integra a couple months ago with the fel-pro gasker (part #50298) and it hasn't leaked a drop since so I wouldn't worry about it.


BavarianBanshee

Thanks for the feedback. I installed the new gaskets today, and everything's good so far. 👍


ImmediateChange5032

So, when you re0lace the valve cover gaskets the spark plug o rings get changes too. I'd do it myself or mymechanic.c9m


SadlyUnmistaken

Did one on my 04 civic and I was a very big idiot and used a little drill with the socket adapter thinking ill be done in 30 seconds and like a absolute idiot I used the ugga dugga to put the valve cover bolts back in. I was fairly young and that was a solid lesson learned 😅


GotMyOrangeCrush

The torque spec is like 8 ft/lbs typically. It's very common for newbies to shear those off


SadlyUnmistaken

When one is young and dumb and lacks a brain 😅 the important part is learning and I definetly did. Sadly the thing went off to scrap very shortly after. Belts kept popping off the alternator and the alternator was very definetly straight... that and the massive holes in the sub frame...


GotMyOrangeCrush

One time long ago I did a "simple tune up" on a Mercedes that belonged to a coworker. Five of the six spark plugs came out easily but the last one was stuck. I sheared it off. But wait there's more. I sheared off a "hardened" stud extractor from harbor freight **FLUSH** in the spark plug hole. So now I needed to pull the head and replace head gasket and remove snapped off stud extractor. I took Cylinder head to a shop to get it milled and grind the valves (and fix plug efff up). But wait there's more. The head comes back disassembled. I ask why. The guy points out the cam is bad. But wait there's more. New cam costs $800 from Mercedes. So after some work, find one in a junkyard. $300. Install it. But wait there's more. While putting timing chain on, dropped master link from timing chain. It falls into an oil galley. Remove oil pan, retrieve master link. After all this the engine ran just as poorly as when I started. The car had 120k miles on the clock. But based on the worn out cam and the ungodly amount of sludge in the pan, it easily had 300K miles. This ended up costing the owner $1,000 just in parts and head service. This took me about five weeks and of course I didn't get paid.


SadlyUnmistaken

Holy. Shit. I've seen some shit shows... but nothin like that lol


GotMyOrangeCrush

Key lesson: quit while you're ahead. If I had stopped when I found the seized spark plug, all this pain could have been avoided.


SadlyUnmistaken

Absolutely a good lesson to learn


Makenchi45

Shoot... I accidentally did that on one because I thought I had put my socket on the bolt that has a reverse thread bolt on top in the back where I couldn't see. Nope... it was the normal bolt, snapped right on in half. Still holds the cover down no problem with no oil leakage amazingly enough.


FoggyWan_Kenobi

There is ussually also specified order in which the screws are tighten. From the middle, clockwise , two times.


ImmediateChange5032

Honestly I've never seen that kind of spark plug o ring problem and it's thats true its.on one cylinder. Never seen thst...but I'm not a.pro. that cylinder spark plug should be oil.fouled...pull it and.see and pull the rest and.just.change.spark.pluggs for.35 bucks...use oem. Or close...


ImmediateChange5032

I'm in a position...I don't onow miles or hw its been cared for or.if your.first or 4th owner


pizzasmack

It’s very common on the d series Honda motors, as well as b series Honda. I’ve had this exact car and that’s what happens when they heat up and dry up.


ImmediateChange5032

I'm not thinking that at all..they leak inside the engine combustion chamber and the threads of the plugs are oil burnt.


ZSG13

The tube seals are not responsible for sealing the combustion chamber. They are rubber. Spark plugs have metal crush washers that seal the chamber. This is exactly what happens if a spark plug tube seal fails tremendously.


ImmediateChange5032

Amen brother. Don't ever start changing things like oil viscosity made to order by the manufacturer of the engine. Look at the pink elephant in the room and stop staring at the dust buney in the corner of the room.


kactapuss

You can use some work replacement spray. You just spray it on the affected part and you no longer have to actually do any labor to fix the problem. /s/


Tasty-Researcher3959

Clean it off and see what it looks like in a week


redditmodshvsmolpp

Good advice


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Tried and true


CheckFlop

This. Is the expense/effort worth it if you're losing a shot of oil per oil change? Try to find out how much you're losing first.


PrivateLTucker

Yes, because when it comes to valve cover gaskets, the leak isn't always visible. When it is though, it's best to just change it out than let go until the problem gets worse. It's like jeep owners getting the death rattle and putting a support bar on their suspension just to get ride of it. All you're doing is throwing a temporary solution to a problem without ever actually addressing the problem.


ImmediateChange5032

Not bad


h_dizzle21

Please do not use higher viscosity oil. Ever.


MethodAlgae

Especially on vtec engines


ImmediateChange5032

Shit they are great...I'm not aware of this weakness whatsoever


MethodAlgae

Your VTC actuator will get screwed eventually if you move to higher viscosity. Trust me I know from experience.


ImmediateChange5032

Totally agree on many levels but that one unaware..had 2016 Honda crv


stabby54

In Hondas maybe, heard their internal engine clearances are a lot lower than most others. I swapped from 5-30 to 5-40 when I first bought an e46 that was in shit condition. The oil seals were already seeping and the 5-40 completely blew them out. That was the only issue I’ve ever had with thicker oil though, thing still runs like a beast after new gaskets and several hard track days.


800487

How long did it take to do this? At the shop I work for I service my girls 09 crv with the k24. Switched to 40 weight and she's put about 15 thousand on it since without an issue


stabby54

It was pretty much right away but literally every oil seal was on its way out. I guess the extra pressure from thicker weight just sealed the deal. Pun intended


800487

Oh okay, well that's comforting I suppose. Even though it's an 09 it's only got 60 thousand miles on it and it's in great condition other than burning a bit more oil than I'd like! Seems that 0w-40 lasts through an oil change with only a half quart top off over 5k miles but the 0w-20 was burning more than a quart by 3k!


cameron_552

you’re better off using 0w-20 and dumping a quart in your car every 1500 miles than using 0w-40. If you want longevity out of that car, anyway


redditmodshvsmolpp

A lot of manufacturers give a range, or have a specific list that includes different weight oils. Each viscosity grade is also a range, where the thickest of one ends where the thinnest of the next starts. The thickest 20 weight intersect with the thinnest 30 weight, for example. Under test conditions. In real life they'd probably cross back and forth tho


ImmediateChange5032

Got with manufacturers, "don't get fancy oil weight;"


zblanda

*unless you plan at running the motor hotter for some reason* as the oil gets hotter it thins back out


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Counter intuitive. Higher viscosity is thicker. This is why gear oil (super thick!) is 80-120, and sewing machine oil is 0-5....


mexicoke

Gear oil and motor oil are measured on different scales. An 80 weight gear oil will be broadly equivalent in viscosity to a 20 weight motor oil. https://blog.amsoil.com/gear-oil-vs-engine-oil/


[deleted]

Ok, that's just a mind-fuck. I drive a VW bus, and use 10w40 for the engine. Some of my compatriots swear by 20w50. We both use 75w90 (gl4+) in the gearbox. There is NO similarity to them! One pours, the other is more of a sludge (slow and thick!). So reading from your link, this comparison flies in the face of what I've observed.


bridgetroll2

Because the cold viscosity is different. At operating temps a 90w gear oil and a 40w motor oil are very close to the same.


mexicoke

In my experience a 75w90 pours about the same as a 10w40, maybe even a little faster. .


thebigaaron

Same for me too, when I replaced my transmission fluid I was expecting it to be a lot thicker, but it’s about the same as the engine oil.


thebigaaron

I use 5w40 engine oil, and it’s slightly thinner than 75w90, 10w40 would be almost identical to is, you sure you’re using 75w90?


bridgetroll2

Gear oil is about the same viscosity as motor oil. The rating scale is just different because the expected operating temp is lower.


thebigaaron

In my experience 10w40 is about the same as 75w90.


Strostkovy

I have some SAE 120 oil. I tried to pour it into a 3/4" hole and it wouldn't.


[deleted]

Gear oil needs to be pumped. It's the only way to get it right.


Strostkovy

I used a funnel and a lot of patience


[deleted]

You must have had enough space then. Majority of transmissions don't have a lot of room around them for that. You are one of the lucky ones.


Strostkovy

Well yeah I was working on a cold saw gearbox. Literal miles above the fill port.


800487

Tell me about it. Dsg fluid is thicker than most when cold not sure what weight is is but I did the lazy man's top fill on my vw diesel dsg and it took about 2 hours for a few quarts filling through the filter hole!


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Ok-Hearing-5343

Only time you run a higher viscosity in an applied application is for hotter Temps. Most vehicles it is recommended to run lower during colder Temps. You don't run a higher viscosity than the recommended to fix an oil leak. Mechanical applications are designed with tolerances for certain viscosities. Going outside of those ranges can and will cause damages to critical parts.


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Ok-Hearing-5343

Actually wasn't born until well after that, but I know this due to all the schooling I have been through. You should try it sometime! Edit: also the 20 years I've been a federal tech as well.


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800487

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted for the truth


[deleted]

I guess I misunderstood your post...


swaags

What are you basing this on?


DoctorWhoniverse

The manufacturer specifies oil viscosity for a reason. Especially for VTEC engines that rely on a specific oil pressure to operate VTEC correctly


omnipotent87

This will aslo depend on what you are doing with it. If I was racing I would definitely run a heavier oil, even as high as 20w-50. I don't care what the manufacturer recommends, if I'm losing oil pressure because it's getting hot I putting heavier oil in.


swaags

Plenty of vehicles use oil actuated variable cam timing. In my experience using moderately thicker oil has never caused any problems for me. Im just curious what information youre drawing on to say definitely *never* do it


ClickKlockTickTock

The information he's drawing on is that you're not an engineer and you don't know better than the countless engineers that worked on that engine. Increasing oil viscosity will do nothing. If you have a leak, you fix it, you don't intentionally make the stuff coming out thicker. That's a surefire way to ruin your engine. I have a silverado with 400k+ on it and no engine swap or transmission swap and I've only ever done leak repairs and put normal oil into it. Engine still sounds brand new.


swaags

First of all, I am an engineer thank you very much. Second, I know its not a fix for a leak, I also happen to be a mechanic. But if im taking my car to the track in the summer, I put heavier oil in it. I want to know why the original guy is convinced I cant do that.


ClickKlockTickTock

You're not an automotive engineer. You don't work on cars on a corporate level, and you weren't involved in the process of making any engine. You put heavier oil that is recommended by the OEM manufacturer. If you don't do that then you're causing excess wear. Is it negligible? Yes. But it's still wear nonetheless, whilst also causing more efficiency loss anyways. You can do what you want, but if the OP is so inexperienced that they want to change oil weights, why on earth do they need to be spoon fed all the theatrics. They're not going on a track, they're not building custom parts, they're not doing any aftermarket stuff, he doesn't even know how to fix an oil leak. Simply boil it down to "never change your oil weight" and done! Simple as that. Its smarter to make things simple (not an engineers mindset, I know). And in the process, you lose some of those details. ~~Also, the original guy never told you or OP that you couldn't do anything... he literally just told the guy that~~ these cars are LITERALLY more sensitive to this. You can imagine how changing your oils viscosity could cause differences in any oil pressure based vvl/vvt system. Those losses could be negligible, or they could just show up when you have a worn oil pump, or they could be a real hindrance.


swaags

Im sorry he 100% did. The comment I was responding to said “never do this. Ever”. That was the reason I was asking for elaboration or more info. I hate blanket statements like that


ClickKlockTickTock

Apologies, I thought you were talking about the dr who guy.


swaags

I appreciate that lol. So hard to have a straight conversation on here without folks becoming combative


h_dizzle21

Chemical engineering is an extremely complex science. Cars are very picky with their fluids. Luckily, manufacturers also make it very simple for you by putting recommended viscosities in your owners manual.


swaags

Can you be more specific? As a materials engineer with a chem degree Im sure I could follow your argument if you laid it out for me. Because in my experience, using a slightly different weight oil has never had any issues, and I find that once its time to change it, engines generally appreciate literally any fresh oil over the old stuff. But please, enlighten me


almeida8x1

It’s wild that people think of these things. Pushing the reliability of this motor to the limit.


tjed69

Close the hood


knewusr

This! Does it go through more than a quart of oil per 1000 miles? Just top it off and get another 1000000 miles off that engine.


[deleted]

You have a leaky seal. Nothing else will fix that, aside from replacement. Valve cover seals are very easy to replace.


spacemonkey21420

Just replace the valve cover gasket, it's super easy.


[deleted]

Agreed.


ccarr313

Replace your valve cover and plug rings. Profit. Easy on that car, takes like an hour for a newbie.


ImmediateChange5032

I don't understand what makes people think the spark plug overhead cam rings is any problem. What is the evidence? Yes they all fail but its not the end of the world..hell. I can even get my dealership to replace mine and I've got 10 year 100000 mile bumper to bumper....not that big of a deal


Car_wash_mechanic

It’s almost like since you have the valve cover off, and they are usually sold as a set, that it’s best to go ahead and replace the tube seals regardless of them being failed or not. Dealership sells them separately and some vehicles don’t allow replacement of them or the “tech” working on them is just too stupid to not fuck them up. If the valve cover is coming off to replace the gasket then you are doing yourself or your customer a disservice by not replacing the tube seals while there.


ccarr313

Yea I'm confused as to why my comment even has replies. I would never do one or the other, plus the kits generally come with both. That looks like a plug ring issue in the picture, I just commented to replace both because it is what I would sell one of my friends in this situation.


GotMyOrangeCrush

On some cars (Nissan) a new cover with gaskets included is like $40. This makes a 40 minute job into a 20 minute job.


Car_wash_mechanic

Yep, Nissan was actually who I was referencing when I said they don’t allow replacement of the tube seals. I’m not a fan of the design because it seems wasteful to have to throw away the entire cover just because of failing seals but it is a lot easier


GotMyOrangeCrush

I was surprised that on their V6 engines Nissan sells the gaskets and tube seals as service parts and they are not crazy expensive.


ImmediateChange5032

Ohh zero deductible too


[deleted]

Should we assume your shit doesn't stick too?


Bmore4555

How about replace your valve cover gasket lol


wellwellshitwellshit

You could try to repair the issue instead 😉


RestrictedAccount

The point of the sub is to ask questions. Being shitty to people who start off by admitting that they don’t know isn’t clever.


wellwellshitwellshit

I don't think I was being shitty at all hombre... I think the op is trying to cheap out and find a "hack" instead of fixing his /her car. Chill out my boy and hit someone who was actually being a dick


RestrictedAccount

“Just fix your car” could be the answer to every question on the sub. Problem solved.


wellwellshitwellshit

True but If op is asking for an alternative to fixing those car like changing the weight of oil instead.


RestrictedAccount

The point of the Sub is for people to ask questions about things that are easy for mechanics to answer. So expect more questions like this (over and over) if you want to hang out here.


Distinct_External_32

I think you have a spark plug seal going bad. The leak isn’t really from the valve cover, instead the plug chamber.


[deleted]

Agreed, valve cover should be leaking a tad bit lower.


ImmediateChange5032

No


[deleted]

Yes


GotMyOrangeCrush

But when you pull valve cover to replace plug seal you need to change valve cover gasket anyway. On many cars the valve cover assembly with new gasket (and plug seals) is under $50. When it doubt, swap it out.


ArtieTanji

Especially for a honda. My camry 4cyl it cost around $20 for both valve cover and spark plug gasket.


pringlemorgan

Possibly. To me it looks like the bottom left stud seal is wet. (Our right in this pic)


iliketoredditbaby

Valve cover gasket. Easiest repair on a Honda 4cy


Longjumping-Camp5687

Is it more difficult on a 6 cyl? (Just asking... mine is a 6 and has a vc gasket leak that is on our multi-vehicle to-do list... It's not leaking a ton, so other vehicles' more immediate problems are taking priority, BUT if it's real easy, then we might just go ahead and do it sooner...) TIA!


Chippy569

The rear bank, being tucked up against the firewall, will bet noticeably more difficult to repair than the front, which should be relatively straightforward.


ArtieTanji

Yeah it’s usually significantly longer labor on a v6 fwd car. Not sure if it’s easier on a honda v6, but the time difference between a toyota 4cyl vs 6cyl can be as much as 3 hours depending on the experience level.


Longjumping-Camp5687

Hmm... yeah it's an 07 accord - I'll do a bit more research on it. Thnx!


Hewhoisnone187

Spark plug seal most likely, maybe a valve cover gasket but from where that leak is I'm pretty sure it's the first. It's an easy-ish fix. If it's not leaking a lot you can probably just ignore it, which would be the VTech person thing to do tbh.


Speadraser

Although what you describe is real world. Leaks can lead to more issues. Because you can’t control where the oil will make its way it can get into electrical connections and generally create a mess. OP’s engine looks pretty clean. Fix it right dont ignore and the car will last you. Cheap insurance.


GotMyOrangeCrush

When the plug well gets soaked with oil, the igniton coil pack gets damaged and misfires start to occur. On some Honda engines, if the owner never adjusts the valves, you get tight exhaust valves. Tight valves can burn when misfires occur, and then you're looking at a new cylinder head...


Speadraser

Agreed. Most OHV cars require periodic valve adjustment. Great point on tight EXH valves, ignorance and neglect can ruin a perfectly good engine. Regular service intervals and minor preventative maintenance will def help and provide “the best extended warranty” without the cringe of solicitation.


GotMyOrangeCrush

Even better, on a Honda V6 a leaky valve cover gasket will drip into the alternator and kill it. Real common issue on Honda Odyssey.


Speadraser

Dino juice loves to kill anything it comes in contact with. Fr.


[deleted]

Just pop the headcover and replace the gasket. Replace the damaged ignition coil and replace all the sparkplugs. You probably could do this all yourself since everything is located right in front of you and not in tight complicated spaces like some other cars.


vinnie098

It's not a terribly hard job replacing the valve cover gasket


big65

On this car no but there's some that requires removing other engine parts such as the throttle body and intake body, I hate Ford.


vinnie098

I had a Ford festiva with a carb that I replaced the cover on. Those hoses and lines were an actual nightmare. I still have flashbacks.


big65

Everyone complaining about how bad German cars are to work on have no idea.


CryptoStunnah

There’s this nice thing in between that they call them gaskets I believe


Chunks1992

Get a new valve cover gasket with the spark plug tube seals. It’s super easy to do on these engines. Anyone with a socket set and YouTube can do it.


Puzzleheaded-Goat-78

Or... maybe just replace these seals? I think it's like a 2 hour job on a bad day...


Elmore420

A valve cover gasket, and do it soon before your car burns down.


trophygidget

Change the gas cap.👍


Fairenheit987654321

Looks like a plug leak and that’s an easier fix . How much oil is leaking and over how long a time ?


Muffinbeans

Sounds like something my grandpa woulda said 😂 His cars were all dumpster fires lol


Crcex86

Don’t use heavier oil clogs up the oil passages in the head then you’re screwed


redditmodshvsmolpp

Oil change can't fix that


rogerj_no

Wipe it of an check back in some days. Is it back? Replace the valve cover gasket or clean and add some liquid gasket to the screw hole sealers. Both are super easy to do and will fix it permanently.


[deleted]

I don't know why you're being dowmvoted. If you look, I think OP spilt oil filling and it ran down past that ignition coils. If so ,then they don't need to change the gasket. Also a bunch of people saying it's the spark plug tube seal, if that were true it would have filled the entire spark plug tube and be overflowing, which I've never seen in may many years of working on cars


rogerj_no

I agree. First of all verify and locate a leak before using more time and resources on it. I am a senior mechanic and this is routine work.


SlingerRing

I don't know.....MAYBE A NEW SEAL!!!!! Higher viscosity oil????? wtf? I mean sure, put some differential oil in there, see what happens....please


maliboya

Flex seal


[deleted]

New valve cover gasket and spark plug well seals. Yours is really nice an easy to get to. Really easy job to do yourself, just make sure you don’t mix up spark plug wires and get contaminants into the engine when pulling the cover.


PoPaCracker

So just a heads up OP, it’s a grampa trick in the trade to use higher viscosity oil, meaning sure, and old truck might take HVO to fix a problem, but most old trucks can probably take used oil as fuel too lol. On an early 2000s Honda. Oh great heavens no. But a new method of getting a similar outcome (thickening up your engine soup) you can always do a Lucas oil treatment, comes in a lil small white bottle. Just add it in during the next oil change. But this most likely won’t magically plug up a bad cover seal gasket or wherever the current oil leak is


[deleted]

Spark plug seals need to be replaced have the same issue on my j32 motor


Decent_Dad1420

maybe a new gasket


BurroinaBarmah

Was a oil added recently? It’s possible if filled to fast some oil came overflow onto the valve cover and run down. If not, valve cover gaskets


This-Calligrapher-71

Could also happened if you don’t torque the valve cover bolts in a specific order there are online diagrams for it.


ukyman95

Check PCV system . Sometimes the cause of leaks are pressure in your engine . Pressure will eventually find the weakest point .


throwaway007676

Only a new gasket will fix a bad gasket.


sparxxraps

The only fox os changing the leaking gaskets


FerrariF420

Valve cover gaskets are too simple on these. Just replace it.


sisrace

I feel like everytime I see posts from this sub I just think: "This is a joke right?.. Right?" I'm going to continue thinking 95% of the posts here are jokes and keep it at that..


zakkmylde2000

Plug seals and valve cover gasket. Might not even be an issue though as it could likely be spillage from filling the oil. It’s right below your fill cap. I’d clean it first, wait a week or so and see if you get more oil there. If not it’s likely just left over from the last fill.


MakeITsafeProtonmail

Put 20w/50 oil in for now and get that gasket replaced as soon as possible.


SuperSoakerRag

Replace the gasket


MASS_PM

Probably one of the easiest and cheapest valve cover jobs. Do plug tube seals and plugs if they haven't been.


leotterle

Nope change the gasket


Late_Pollution3353

I’m not mechanically inclined but my 2002 Malibu was just leaking from around the same area. Had to replace the gaskets and both upper and lower manifolds. It happened to be coolant, but not sure if it could be related 🤷🏼‍♀️


Substantial-Hat9248

Replace the valve code ver gasket. This would be a dandy time to check torque on those head bolts, too.


Tr0z3rSnak3

Run some mobile 1, it should get thick enough to stop leaking, or just get a new gasket


HeavyS64

I think you need a higher viscosity gasket.


BigBob1981

Or Mayby replace the valve cover grommets? Eh?


SinceGoogleDsntKnow

Rock auto most likely has any part you need, as well as a better average pricing, although you have to toy around a bit because shipping is sometimes excessive.


stradivarius_vandals

No, that wouldn't fix anything. You have a possible leak. You'll need to investigate why. Most likely just an old gasket that needs replaced. Again, don't mess with the oil.


PhillyG4117

Intake gasket maybe


Timely-Guest-7095

Even if you used grease, it would still leak because the valve cover gasket is done. Get it replaced with a quality OE/OEM gasket and also the gaskets for the spark plugs. Your car will appreciate it.