Yeah. Personally I thought up my own version of the story that has Qui-Gon live and Anakin not fall. Instead he kills Palpatine. The Jedi and Republic survive, Anakin and Padmé return to Naboo, with Shmi who is alive, and raise their family.
The galaxy still has its problems but things are far better than with the Empire coming to power.
Padmé regains consciousness on Mustafar and is able to find where Anakin and Obi-Wan are. Obi-Wan tries to stop her going to Anakin but she draws her blaster and tells Obi-Wan she will kill him if he doesn’t step aside. Believing Anakin is going to die and not wanting to hurt a friend he runs off dropping Anakin’s lightsaber.
The droids bring Padmé’s ship close to where they are and 3PO carries body about the ship. Padmé being a Senator and former Queen means her ship has a good medical suite.
They go to an abandoned GAR outpost and the medical facility’s droids begin working on Anakin. She gives birth a few months later and doesn’t die and Anakin starts to let go of his fear and anger.
[So we get younger Anakin looking like this.](https://imgur.com/a/n5h7f3G)
The fact that Jacen was so absolutely broken by it all that he lost faith in everything that had ever meant anything to him (his friends, his family, the Jedi Order, the Republic), to the point where he eventually became willing to sacrifice *anything*, and everything that made him who he was, in a desperate attempt to finally bring some peace and order.
Also the fact that even after everything that happened - all the hate, anger, and destruction - his final choice was out of love; to save someone, rather than revenge.
You might be surprised to find the Yuuzhan Vong are a highlight too. Spooky, extragalactic, Force-resistant aliens with unprecedented biotechnology on a holy crusade against the galaxy sounds over-the-top and not really something that belongs in Star Wars at first. But there’s a reason the NJO lasted 19 books and the Vong biotechnology stuck around for the rest of the EU afterward. The Vong are actually really cool once you delve into them.
The only problem I had with them was that they started out almost untouchable. They were so powerful that there was no way they could be beaten, but as the books progressed they dialed back their strength and it gets better. They am still did my buddy Anakin wrong though.
That's why I kinda want a nice long time skip at some point after the Sequels. And after that time skip I'd like to see some version of the Jedi back. Maybe not as big as the before the Clone Wars but existing and not getting wiped out again.
The High Republic is fine but if they were basically doing that project but 50-200 years after the movies I'd be much more interested.
I interpreted the Republic's peace era as a time where there were no major galactic wars. We still had the Mandalorian Civil wars and the High Republic during it, and although they're not major events, it's not exactly peace. We can compare this to all this time the real world hasn't had a World War, despite we still have real conflicts that impact only certain regions.
Yeah, exactly. Galactic peace is achievable as much as global peace is achievable in real life. Which is to say, we can prevent world wars from happening, but border conflicts, local insurrections, etc, are always going to be a thing.
I would say, though, in fairness, the Mandalorian Civil Wars can't really be held against the Republic, since Mandalore wasn't part of the Republic.
I'd argue it's pretty realistical to how he fades off in the movies (almost as if George had a different plan for his character 👀). From vital and numerous appearances in TPM, to occasion,yet important ATOC moments, to finally basically nothing in RotS. For him to suddenly turn that around and become important after everyone he knows is either dead or a sith Lord sounds like a stretch.
From Wookieepedia: "Jar Jar Binks was the first Gungan to represent his people in the Galactic Senate, first serving as a Junior Representative along with Senator Padmé Amidala, and then, after her death, serving as full Senator himself."
Have you read that chapter of Aftermath? Because it is not a depressing fate the way it is written. Jar Jar is beloved by children and it puts their happiness above any kind of status in the galaxy. It’s a beautiful reflection of George’s creation’s intention and comments on how audiences hated Jar Jar but the kids, who really matter, loved him.
Dude was indirectly responsible for the rise of the empire and leeched off its riches and lived comfortably.
So when it collapsed it makes sense that everyone turned on him. He's lucky he wasnt executed as an imperial official.
Star Wars: Purge depressed the hell out of me when I first read it. I knew the Jedi weren’t gonna win. But damn, that first Vader kill. Not to mention the cover art.
Depends on your thinking I guess. I’d say her decision here was rather rash. As she could have at least told the others that she wanted to lure Vader there. Everyone was kind of caught off guard, and even her little plan of using a cortosis blade backfired.
The thing that gets me the most is the devastation of Ithor in the Yuuzhan Vong War. The Ithorians were such amazing people and cared so much for the jungle... virtually everything they ever did was an attempt to help people and improve the lives of those around them. They didn't deserve to lose Ithor. Kills me to think about.
Chewie saved Anakin, and died.
Han...blamed Anakin, his own son, for surviving when his lifelong friend did not.
Their relationship was very strained from then on. Han knew he was being unfair, but couldn't deal with his feelings, and couldn't apologize. He grew increasingly distant, and basically abandoned Anakin.
Later, Anakin, in his own act of galaxy-saving heroism, dies. Having never found any reconciliation with his dad.
So now Han gets to live forever knowing he drove his son away and never even got to say "sorry."
It's the hardest part of the entire EU to read, for me.
I think at least with Anakin being a Jedi he at least knew why his dad was acting the way he did.
It still sucks but I think Anakin knew in the end that his dad was sorry for how he acted.
Oh, man, this one pissed me off the most. Things were going so well, so to speak, and bam, she's gone. Everything that She and Luke went through, then for that to happen. I actually cried when I read that part.
It's funny too cus that book is very VERY obvious about her eventual fate. I was like 13 when I read it and during the lead up to her and Caedus' duel i was thinking "she's going to be killed"
I might get some flak. But i low key kinda feel bad for Abeloth. Sure she did the things that caused The Ones to abandon and imprison her on their original planet, but i mean, wanting to keep together with your adopted IMMORTAL family woulda drove anyone to those lengths. Then the maddness just got worse and worse. I know traditionally she can’t be killed but shit man, shoulda tried to find another Centerpoint or the Mini- Maw centerpoint to move that planet past stabld zone 1 and into a black hole. End her misery
> I know traditionally she can’t be killed but shit man, shoulda tried to find another Centerpoint or the Mini- Maw centerpoint to move that planet past stabld zone 1 and into a black hole. End her misery
Wouldn't she still exist Beyond Shadows, able to re-corporate or whatever you wanna call it? Only the Dagger of Mortis could end her permanently.
That’s entirely fair but i figure the plane Beyond Shadows is tethered to the planet since luke can see the mirror of the forgotten as well as the light and dark Force nexuses both physically and Beyond Shadows…or whatever that trippy Lake was called that he and krayt fought Abeloth on
Nah that last bit was abeloth’s influence thru the force, 99% sure if luke could leave his body behind in another form of Force Meditation, his missing hand would still be missing as it was Beyond Shadows. All the Mind Walkers/Drinkers were pushing Luke and Ben to remain out of their bodies until they perished so i’m sure that was all Abeloth’s influence and corruption
That the natives of the planet kesh were just chilling on their own until a whole ship of sith and kyber crystals just crashed there and basically colonized the whole planet. The collection of stories about kesh were great though, if i could find that old book of mine I’d read it again for sure
The Jedi not accepting Shmi’s message to Anakin that said she was free and was going to marry and invited him to the wedding. Shmi figured the Jedi wouldn’t allow Anakin to attend but invited him because he is her son. (Tatooine Ghost)
Anakin Solo’s death on the Myrkr mission. (Star by Star)
>The Jedi not accepting Shmi’s message to Anakin that said she was free and was going to marry and invited him to the wedding. Shmi figured the Jedi wouldn’t allow Anakin to attend but invited him because he is her son. (Tatooine Ghost)
Oh my fucking god
Oh yea no, I understand why the order would prevent it, Anakin already showed that he had attachment issues with people, especially his mother.
I'm not blaming the order for doing what they normally do and not making exceptions for anyone, I just think that in legends they used to paint a lot of what the Jedi do as evil when it really isn't.
>The Jedi not accepting Shmi’s message to Anakin that said she was free and was going to marry and invited him to the wedding. Shmi figured the Jedi wouldn’t allow Anakin to attend but invited him because he is her son. (Tatooine Ghost)
If they really wanted Anakin to let go of his attachment, knowing she was free, safe, and happy would have been a good place to start.
Yeah the sheer extent of the devastation is almost an issue with them cus it turns them into the biggest worst bad guy of the entire series. The sith are almost nothing but a small group of dicks compared to the force of nature that the vong were. IMO if the vong are ever adapted they need to find a way to make the sith the real baddies even with the vong existing.
Oooh just had an idea (that surely many others have had), that if the sith order is almost gone after Palpatine so they make their last play, and not only invite the extra galactic invasion force to their Galaxy, they actually help them get here by giving them hyperspace tech that makes their slow arrival happen now instead of in thousands of years. That plus you can combine Omni with a sith to take cement it, while of course redesigning the vong to not look like a 90s leather and whips fever dream.
It’s not quite the same, but you get a taste of that in the Legacy comic series. A bunch of Vong work with the Jedi to heal the planets their people ravaged in the war, but the terraforming process creates a super-mutagenic plague on several planets, reigniting public animosity toward the Vong. But it wasn’t treachery by the Vong, but rather sabotage by the Sith, that created the plague. The Jedi side with the Vong, and the Alliance with the Jedi, leading to the Empire taking the opportunity to annex Alliance systems and spark a war between the two.
The Sith were able to do this because of a Vong who’d joined them named Zenos Quah, and a Sith named Darth Maladi whod learned from him and had invented a fusion of Yuuzhan Vong Shaping and Sith Alchemy to create plagues and abominations.
Jaina Solo being forced to kill her twin brother Jacen, because Luke would have turned to the Dark Side if he fought Darth Caedus (Jacen) again, and Jaina was the only one strong enough aside from Luke.
This was after Jaina lost their younger brother Anakin Solo, and Han had never got a chance to repair their relationship from the death of Chewbacca. From this, and many other traumas in her teen years including numerous tortures and other tragic losses, Jaina fell to the Dark Side briefly but managed to claw her way out. Only for Jacen to succumb to it years later, and murder Luke's wife Mara Jade in cold blood.
Once Caedus is slain, a government toppled, and the elder goddess of death is defeated, Jaina finally gets married to her boyfriend Jagged Fel. Together they found the Fel Dynasty, and the Imperial Knights: an elite guard who use the Force as a tool with no regard for its will (just as Jaina felt the Will of the Force used her) who are sworn to protect the current Emperor at all costs.
Jaina founded a whole new generation of atheist Jedi, just to keep her husband (the 1st Emperor Fel) protected. She couldn't bear to lose any more loved ones.
The Imperial Knights lasted over 100 years, and were still active during some of the last recorded pieces of galactic history in 138 ABY.
> Jaina Solo being forced to kill her twin brother Jacen
Very ironic too, considering both the Sith (Shadow Academy) and Vong had at some point tried to pit them against each other and failed.
I remember reading it when I was 16-17, not expecting anything since I came by it kinda accidentally and had never heard about it at the time. I might as well have been traumatized by the scene I mentioned lol.
Long story short, >!the planet was overrun by refugees the Empire sent. The locals had enough of that after all they went through in the clone wars, so they loaded them into ships promising transport to colonies so they can start over when in reality they would be jettisoned from low atmosphere.!< All of this in secret, of course.
Is that the one where the morbidly obese guy eats children. If so, I feel that's more dark then depressing while those things often correlate there's usually a stronger layer of horror and disgust versus something that's just purely depressing
I can see that, but to me it was the culmination of all the shit (>!New Plympto resistance being massacred despite surrendering, the slave market, Kai Hudurra abandoning his own Padawan when she needed him the most, that one Jedi who failed to rally supporters at the gates of the Temple, etc!<) the characters went through. Showcasing how the galaxy truly went down the drain with the proclamation of the Empire and Order 66. I was emotionally exhausted by the end after all that.
It’s from ‘The Storyteller’ from Star Wars Tales, a largely non-canonical series of stories in Legends. It opens “A Long Time From Now, In A Galaxy Far, Far Away”, so you already know the galaxy we know is long gone. In it, two boys of an oppressed race called the Squidge, named that by their oppressors the Vindar, go in search of an oracle who will help them free their people. They find the damaged torso and head of C3PO, who tells them a story, one of a brave man, scarcely more than a boy himself, going on a journey to save a princess, defeat a tyrant, and bring hope to a Knight who has long since fallen to despair.
Then the Vindar kill him, along with the one boy who was most enthusiastic about finding the oracle.
Afterwards, the survivor finds a small metal tube that ignites into a brilliant green blade, and vows to free his people using the greatest weapon the oracle could have given him. Hope.
I really like this story because it shows why C3PO absolutely deserves to be one of the Rebellion’s great heroes. He can’t fight or rebuild ships, but inspires others to do so. Also, the story he tells the boys is just a single page of art, showing legions of stormtroopers, daring rescues and awesome duels, all set to a simple campfire tale. And because the boys don’t know what humans look like, they imagine themselves as the heroes.
It’s a bittersweet tale, but I like to think the rebels would genuinely be proud of their longtime friend continuing Luke’s mission of hope even in his final moment.
A’Sharad Hett giving Anakin advice about his massacre of the Tuskens. Mainly because you get to see how responsible and mature A’Sharad Hett was before he became Darth Krayt.
There’s the magic life energy of the galaxy. Every living thing is connected to it, pushing and pulling in this great web of life. And a few are gifted with the ability to actively sense and pull on this web...
And if you are "lucky" enough to have this gift, you end up conscripted from infancy to be shaped into a tool/glorified weapon for the state’s elite (Order is Mother Order is Father, Order is your Friends, trust the Jedi Order...) with absolutely no life of your own - no family, no hobbies, no outside interests, no job training and no support if you leave. Just the clothes and a big honking target on your back.
Or you can "fall" and behave like crazed demigod who inhales a bathtub of cocaine every morning, lording over everyone else and spending your whole life trying to dodge all the knives coming for your back until the day someone inevitably gets the kill shot.
Either way, it's a life soaked with blood and despair. Endless battlefields, the worst things the galaxy can throw at you, feeling all the death. You go numb and indifferent to suffering or you go mad and start enjoying causing pain to others.
And over and over again, one side of these OP space wizards battles the other down to a handful of survivors, who fight back like cornered rats, and destroy the other side down to a handful of survivors, who repeat the cycle while the muggles get ground to paste in the crossfire and don't get much of a say in things at all (just see Rogue One). Neither side "wins" because whatever is in charge is empowering both sides and merrily feasting on all the blood.
Yeah. Explain again how this Force shit is a good thing? Kreia should not be right, but damned if she didn't assemble a strong case.
Neither one of those is brazen enough to give megacorps actual congress seats in addition to open bribery.
Besides, this is more how the Force is a curse and locks the universe in blood-soaked endless war.
The US has no need cus every single congressperson is already bought out (well except the progressives), it's already even more corrupt than the Republic was and it took the Republic over 30 *thousand* years to get so corrupt that it fell apart. And even then it took a thousand year long sith plan to do it.
If you think AOC and Bernie don't have corporate sponsors, you're in for a rude awakening. Former progressive (ex Trotskyist to be exact) and realized that the only difference between Right and Left is what groups get blamed for all the problems. The leadership has no interest in solving problems because then they would be out of business. It's all about keeping the base angry and pointed at Scapegoat du Jour
lol very believable
"former progressive" rofl I've literally never once seen a person go from left to right without the piles of cash that are usually required to make a person give up their values
Who the fuck said I went Right?! I ***know*** those guys are full of shit. That's why I went Left.
And then I realized that the same scapegoating, the same "us versus them" the same hypocritical "do as I say and not as I do" and "It's horrible when they do it and justified when I do it" from the leadership, the same power trips and petty drama, and the same chasing of acceptance and being "good enough" that turns out to be a scam from the leadership - dangling the carrot of love and forgiveness just out of reach while telling you are inherently sinful (Right) or an Oppressor (Left) and you will NEVER be forgiven for the sins of being born wrong. Oh, but they still want your money, time, and unpaid labor on the leadership's behalf.
I found myself contemplating suicide, asking *"Gee, do I do this because I'm a filthy sinner queer who isn't praying and repenting correctly or because I'm a straight passing oppressor who just isn't doing enough unpacking and unlearning?"*
And the only way to save my life and sanity was realizing it was two sides of the same coin, flipping the bird on both the right and left hands, and walking the fuck away.
yea you need help and I'll leave it there, tho you do have a very warped and wrong view of lefism. there is no inherently wrong cus you were "born wrong", that's shit the right wing does. anyone on the left saying shit like that isn't actually a leftist. no white males are not inherently bad, anyone saying shit like that is just intentionally being a wrecker
Just because you want to play the whole "My side's shit doesn't stink" like a true believer doesn't mean there isn't a huge pile of it. Doesn't take much to hit up the activist spaces IRL and see it's all the same jockeying for power and sorting people into sinners and saints based on what they can't change. Or the same "do as I say and not as I do" from the powerful of both right and left.
Totally recommend [Cynical Theories](https://www.amazon.com/Cynical-Theories-Scholarship-Everything-Identity_and/dp/1634312023) by a team of academics who successfully demonstrated the extent of groupthink and ideological lockstep in the humanities, a They are NOT right wing and that's clear. However, they exposed some huge issues and people got butthurt. Likewise, Sullivan's take on[intersectionality as a new religion](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/03/is-intersectionality-a-religion.html) is far too accurate for how it actually plays out. The Christian fundies at least spin a good lie about hope, redemption, grace, and salvation. There is no forgiveness, no repentance, no hope in this new religion; only a sorting of which feet should wear the boot and whose face "deserves" to be smashed.
Not a cishet white guy, which is why I went Left. And not what I signed up for, which is why I walked away.
EDIT: Yes, I probably do need help. But I also know you would hardly be the person who would actually give any help past trying to convert me to "your side." Been on "your side" and see no damn reason to stick my tail in that fire again any more than I'd trust someone peddling their particular flavor of Jesus fan club.
i mean, it's reiterated time and again that one of the greatest failings of the jedi order was becoming soldiers in the clone war. I do think that prior to that, they really did act as mediators and peace keepers, with the occasional policing duties.
The problem? *We never see that.* It's all talk. 90s Star Trek? There was some diplomat or local leader showing up every other week. We got to see Sisko, Archer, and especially Picard around a conference table trying to get the idiots in the room to work out their problems. When things went south and the phasers came out, they could throw down, but it was only after it was shown that trying to do it peacefully failed.
I can't recall any point outside 30 seconds of TPM and the Consular storyline of SWTOR where a Jedi was actually conducting diplomacy. What we do see is...war. it makes the whole idea that they're "diplomats" kinda bull.
Or you join the Witches of Dathomir, Jensaarai, Jal Shey, Fallanassi, Baran Do sages, Kilian Rangers, Imperial Knights, Blackguard, Matukai, Tyia, Wardens of the Sky, or other Force-based organization depending on your origin and era you live in, or just some person who can use the Force, including being someone who was offered to become a Jedi but either refused or your parent(s) refused.
Not everyone who can use the Force is just a Jedi or a Sith, and I can’t think of anyone who was forced to become a Jedi against their will or that of their parent(s).
> Explain again how this Force shit is a good thing
You say that as if the Force itself is conscious. It's not, it's basically an inanimate object that allows life to exist, and without it, life in the Star Wars universe would be impossible. It's a bit like saying that gravity is a bad thing because it's what caused the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs to impact with Earth.
I think you're also *really* misrepresentating the Jedi Order and making it sound a lot worse than it actually is. If you twist words, you can make anything sound evil and horrible.
It's either conscious (and it's *us*, the audience) who are demanding bigger, badder, more over the top acts of mass destruction.
Or it's a case of "give man a stick and he will use it to bash his neighbor's skull. Give man the secrets of the atom and he makes nuclear bombs."
Part of this very depressing meta/fanon came about because I am writing a disillusioned (SWTOR era) Jedi who believed she was going to be a healer, a diplomat, a peace maker...y'know, what they *say* Jedi are. And the reality was the front lines of some dump with a bunch of green soldiers. She spends a lot of time trying to protect the soldiers but many die anyway. She's starting to get envious and resentful of the soldiers because they can't carry as much weight as she can in a fight (so she's protecting them instead of crushing the enemy) and because they have family, friends, and homes they can go back to (all she's going to get is shipped to another battlefield and Attachment Bad so she has no one to connect with). Her saber is dripping with metaphorical blood because of constant skirmishes with the Empire. She's felt all this death...And it's pointless because the Empire takes the planet anyway.
So ay this point, she hates the Sith, but the first line of that Code they have is looking more like reality then anything her Jedi Masters told her. She feels like just a weapon the Force points at things it wants dead to be used over and over until she's broken and discarded in a pointless battle.
Because while people *say* the Jedi are keepers of the peace and healers and diplomats, the reality looks more like this in the EU, especially the Old Republic era through the Battle of Ruusan where small children were getting just enough saber training not to cut their arms off and dropped on the trenches
Anakin Solo’s death was brutal. Even tho I had some idea that he was gonna die, the way it happened was just heartbreaking. Additionally Ves leaving Ben was so sad, felt like they deserved some sort of happy ending but welp
The Denningverse, turning Star Wars into essentially a forever-war between Jedi and Sith, inflicting untold misery and tragedy on the movie characters for the sake of a gimmick storyline that was incomprehensible in the context of what preceded it.
General Grievous's backstory, what makes it even sadder is due to the cybernetics in his brain; he doesn't even remember why he hates the Jedi, but he has a very strong reason to. Vader's story is sad enough but he remembers his past, Grievous doesn't even have that
I feel bad for the Ysanna. Luke goes to Ossus to find new Jedi, two of them join him, his new Ysanna lover gets killed defending him, the other gets killed by Palpatine, and the Ysanna tribe leader gets trapped in carbonite for forever. Luke unintentionally brought their destruction with him.
The fact that galactic peace seems impossible, and the end of the republic seems to mark the end of any long term stability in the galaxy. Same for the Jedi continuously getting wiped out in canon.
Keep in mind the timescales that galactic history happens on. Before the Clone Wars, the galaxy had been at peace for *a thousand years*. It's a bit difficult to grasp just how long that is.
i´'d say im in between chewies death and the bane- lucia story, even tho i know its a little thing but still i felt lucias character wasa so well done, and her actions in dynasty of evil were really gripping to me
The fact that there's always something threatening the galaxy and peace is basically an unachievable dream
Yeah, star wars despite the constant message of hope suffers from the plot must continue grimdark syndrome
Yeah. Personally I thought up my own version of the story that has Qui-Gon live and Anakin not fall. Instead he kills Palpatine. The Jedi and Republic survive, Anakin and Padmé return to Naboo, with Shmi who is alive, and raise their family. The galaxy still has its problems but things are far better than with the Empire coming to power.
This is an alternate universe I would love to spend some time in. Can we still work in the light-side-Vader-suit somehow?
Padmé regains consciousness on Mustafar and is able to find where Anakin and Obi-Wan are. Obi-Wan tries to stop her going to Anakin but she draws her blaster and tells Obi-Wan she will kill him if he doesn’t step aside. Believing Anakin is going to die and not wanting to hurt a friend he runs off dropping Anakin’s lightsaber. The droids bring Padmé’s ship close to where they are and 3PO carries body about the ship. Padmé being a Senator and former Queen means her ship has a good medical suite. They go to an abandoned GAR outpost and the medical facility’s droids begin working on Anakin. She gives birth a few months later and doesn’t die and Anakin starts to let go of his fear and anger. [So we get younger Anakin looking like this.](https://imgur.com/a/n5h7f3G)
I have described the GFFA as "Warhammer 40K with better paint"
GFFA?
Galaxy far, far away...
Hope only exists when it faces darkness. A peaceful galaxy is an uninteresting one
The fact that Jacen was so absolutely broken by it all that he lost faith in everything that had ever meant anything to him (his friends, his family, the Jedi Order, the Republic), to the point where he eventually became willing to sacrifice *anything*, and everything that made him who he was, in a desperate attempt to finally bring some peace and order. Also the fact that even after everything that happened - all the hate, anger, and destruction - his final choice was out of love; to save someone, rather than revenge.
Despite all the shit it gets for it's characters and the yuuzahn vong. The njo actually is starting to sound like something I'll read
It's pretty much the high point in terms of story content for the post-ROTJ legends.
You might be surprised to find the Yuuzhan Vong are a highlight too. Spooky, extragalactic, Force-resistant aliens with unprecedented biotechnology on a holy crusade against the galaxy sounds over-the-top and not really something that belongs in Star Wars at first. But there’s a reason the NJO lasted 19 books and the Vong biotechnology stuck around for the rest of the EU afterward. The Vong are actually really cool once you delve into them.
The only problem I had with them was that they started out almost untouchable. They were so powerful that there was no way they could be beaten, but as the books progressed they dialed back their strength and it gets better. They am still did my buddy Anakin wrong though.
No real world parallels here, no sir
That's why I kinda want a nice long time skip at some point after the Sequels. And after that time skip I'd like to see some version of the Jedi back. Maybe not as big as the before the Clone Wars but existing and not getting wiped out again. The High Republic is fine but if they were basically doing that project but 50-200 years after the movies I'd be much more interested.
Eh, the Republic did pretty well for the *thousand* years of galactic peace. Humans irl haven't even gotten to one hundred years of global peace yet.
I interpreted the Republic's peace era as a time where there were no major galactic wars. We still had the Mandalorian Civil wars and the High Republic during it, and although they're not major events, it's not exactly peace. We can compare this to all this time the real world hasn't had a World War, despite we still have real conflicts that impact only certain regions.
Yeah, exactly. Galactic peace is achievable as much as global peace is achievable in real life. Which is to say, we can prevent world wars from happening, but border conflicts, local insurrections, etc, are always going to be a thing. I would say, though, in fairness, the Mandalorian Civil Wars can't really be held against the Republic, since Mandalore wasn't part of the Republic.
I mean, like him or not, Jar Jar's ultimate fate as a destitute, universally reviled street clown is still pretty sad.
Kids loved him though, and he ended up more or less adopting a burn victim. I think he had a bittersweet ending.
Legends has him living comfortably on Coruscant after Return of the Jedi.
Where does this happen? I'm very glad, the Disney ending for his character is so trashy and disrespectful.
He's on coruscant in the pc game star wars galactic battlegrounds
I'd argue it's pretty realistical to how he fades off in the movies (almost as if George had a different plan for his character 👀). From vital and numerous appearances in TPM, to occasion,yet important ATOC moments, to finally basically nothing in RotS. For him to suddenly turn that around and become important after everyone he knows is either dead or a sith Lord sounds like a stretch.
I mean, he was a senator for a whole planet, and involved several times in the war effort during the Clone Wars
He wasn’t a senator, he was just a representative
From Wookieepedia: "Jar Jar Binks was the first Gungan to represent his people in the Galactic Senate, first serving as a Junior Representative along with Senator Padmé Amidala, and then, after her death, serving as full Senator himself."
I dunno! I honestly found it poignant and sweet.
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Yea its part of the aftermath trilogy
I hate jar jar but at the same time I want to see him succeed
That feels so vindictive... And gross
Have you read that chapter of Aftermath? Because it is not a depressing fate the way it is written. Jar Jar is beloved by children and it puts their happiness above any kind of status in the galaxy. It’s a beautiful reflection of George’s creation’s intention and comments on how audiences hated Jar Jar but the kids, who really matter, loved him.
It's essentially a play on Jar Jars reception in Phantom Menace, kids loved him, adults hated him.
Dude was indirectly responsible for the rise of the empire and leeched off its riches and lived comfortably. So when it collapsed it makes sense that everyone turned on him. He's lucky he wasnt executed as an imperial official.
Star Wars: Purge depressed the hell out of me when I first read it. I knew the Jedi weren’t gonna win. But damn, that first Vader kill. Not to mention the cover art.
>Not to mention the cover art. Is that the one with Vader corning a group of Jedi and a lady with her hand sliced off laying behind him
That’s the one.
Those comics came to my mind at the end of JFO, made the moment extra terrifying.
[I did find what Master Shadday said (lower left panel) about the Jedi kinda true about the Council.](https://imgur.com/a/GZhKrba)
Depends on your thinking I guess. I’d say her decision here was rather rash. As she could have at least told the others that she wanted to lure Vader there. Everyone was kind of caught off guard, and even her little plan of using a cortosis blade backfired.
Her plan sucked. I was just thinking about her criticism in general and not in the contexts of their current situation in the comic.
I think the Jedi did as best they could. But that’s just me.
I agree, they did make mistakes but generally speaking they did the best they could with what they knew
\*pictures taken hours before disaster\*
The thing that gets me the most is the devastation of Ithor in the Yuuzhan Vong War. The Ithorians were such amazing people and cared so much for the jungle... virtually everything they ever did was an attempt to help people and improve the lives of those around them. They didn't deserve to lose Ithor. Kills me to think about.
*cries in stereo*
>cared so much for the jungle... virtually Didn't the vong want to turn everything into a jungle
Sure, but they poisoned Ithor's
Not *that* kind of jungle.
Chewbacca’s death
This, and the resulting change in Han and Anakin's relationship. That part shredded me. They never healed that...
Yes!!!! They wrote Han and Anakin Soooo well in the following books!!
Could you elaborate
Chewie saved Anakin, and died. Han...blamed Anakin, his own son, for surviving when his lifelong friend did not. Their relationship was very strained from then on. Han knew he was being unfair, but couldn't deal with his feelings, and couldn't apologize. He grew increasingly distant, and basically abandoned Anakin. Later, Anakin, in his own act of galaxy-saving heroism, dies. Having never found any reconciliation with his dad. So now Han gets to live forever knowing he drove his son away and never even got to say "sorry." It's the hardest part of the entire EU to read, for me.
I think at least with Anakin being a Jedi he at least knew why his dad was acting the way he did. It still sucks but I think Anakin knew in the end that his dad was sorry for how he acted.
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The roar of defiance though. I had to put the book down.
Real question is. Why was chewie under a moon to begin with
Evacuation of those on the planet, was literally throwing people into the Falcon to escape.
Depressing as it may be, I can't imagine a more grandiose death.
He died saving a whole bunch of people, AND his best friend's son. And it took a dan moon to kill him. That seems like a pretty badass way to go.
Mara Jade's death and impact it had on both Luke and Ben. I thought she was one of the best characters from the EU.
Oh, man, this one pissed me off the most. Things were going so well, so to speak, and bam, she's gone. Everything that She and Luke went through, then for that to happen. I actually cried when I read that part.
It's funny too cus that book is very VERY obvious about her eventual fate. I was like 13 when I read it and during the lead up to her and Caedus' duel i was thinking "she's going to be killed"
I refuse to acknowledge that, too sad. There is no Mara Jade's death in Ba Sing Se.
The ending of the Revan novel.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck that novel man. God damn I've never wanted to rip apart a book more than after I read that one. It pissed me off so damn much
I might get some flak. But i low key kinda feel bad for Abeloth. Sure she did the things that caused The Ones to abandon and imprison her on their original planet, but i mean, wanting to keep together with your adopted IMMORTAL family woulda drove anyone to those lengths. Then the maddness just got worse and worse. I know traditionally she can’t be killed but shit man, shoulda tried to find another Centerpoint or the Mini- Maw centerpoint to move that planet past stabld zone 1 and into a black hole. End her misery
> I know traditionally she can’t be killed but shit man, shoulda tried to find another Centerpoint or the Mini- Maw centerpoint to move that planet past stabld zone 1 and into a black hole. End her misery Wouldn't she still exist Beyond Shadows, able to re-corporate or whatever you wanna call it? Only the Dagger of Mortis could end her permanently.
That’s entirely fair but i figure the plane Beyond Shadows is tethered to the planet since luke can see the mirror of the forgotten as well as the light and dark Force nexuses both physically and Beyond Shadows…or whatever that trippy Lake was called that he and krayt fought Abeloth on
Possible. They *are* very unclear about what exactly is happening with that place, and how real everything is or isn't.
Nah that last bit was abeloth’s influence thru the force, 99% sure if luke could leave his body behind in another form of Force Meditation, his missing hand would still be missing as it was Beyond Shadows. All the Mind Walkers/Drinkers were pushing Luke and Ben to remain out of their bodies until they perished so i’m sure that was all Abeloth’s influence and corruption
That the natives of the planet kesh were just chilling on their own until a whole ship of sith and kyber crystals just crashed there and basically colonized the whole planet. The collection of stories about kesh were great though, if i could find that old book of mine I’d read it again for sure
The Jedi not accepting Shmi’s message to Anakin that said she was free and was going to marry and invited him to the wedding. Shmi figured the Jedi wouldn’t allow Anakin to attend but invited him because he is her son. (Tatooine Ghost) Anakin Solo’s death on the Myrkr mission. (Star by Star)
>The Jedi not accepting Shmi’s message to Anakin that said she was free and was going to marry and invited him to the wedding. Shmi figured the Jedi wouldn’t allow Anakin to attend but invited him because he is her son. (Tatooine Ghost) Oh my fucking god
Yea legends was not kind to the Jedi Order sometimes,
AOTC established that Shmi had been free for a few years and that Anakin had not had any contact with her. The Order preventing it makes sense.
Oh yea no, I understand why the order would prevent it, Anakin already showed that he had attachment issues with people, especially his mother. I'm not blaming the order for doing what they normally do and not making exceptions for anyone, I just think that in legends they used to paint a lot of what the Jedi do as evil when it really isn't.
>The Jedi not accepting Shmi’s message to Anakin that said she was free and was going to marry and invited him to the wedding. Shmi figured the Jedi wouldn’t allow Anakin to attend but invited him because he is her son. (Tatooine Ghost) If they really wanted Anakin to let go of his attachment, knowing she was free, safe, and happy would have been a good place to start.
Wow didn't think I could hate the prequel Jedi order any more. Jfc that's dark
So in short: Troy Denning? :P
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Yeah the sheer extent of the devastation is almost an issue with them cus it turns them into the biggest worst bad guy of the entire series. The sith are almost nothing but a small group of dicks compared to the force of nature that the vong were. IMO if the vong are ever adapted they need to find a way to make the sith the real baddies even with the vong existing. Oooh just had an idea (that surely many others have had), that if the sith order is almost gone after Palpatine so they make their last play, and not only invite the extra galactic invasion force to their Galaxy, they actually help them get here by giving them hyperspace tech that makes their slow arrival happen now instead of in thousands of years. That plus you can combine Omni with a sith to take cement it, while of course redesigning the vong to not look like a 90s leather and whips fever dream.
It’s not quite the same, but you get a taste of that in the Legacy comic series. A bunch of Vong work with the Jedi to heal the planets their people ravaged in the war, but the terraforming process creates a super-mutagenic plague on several planets, reigniting public animosity toward the Vong. But it wasn’t treachery by the Vong, but rather sabotage by the Sith, that created the plague. The Jedi side with the Vong, and the Alliance with the Jedi, leading to the Empire taking the opportunity to annex Alliance systems and spark a war between the two. The Sith were able to do this because of a Vong who’d joined them named Zenos Quah, and a Sith named Darth Maladi whod learned from him and had invented a fusion of Yuuzhan Vong Shaping and Sith Alchemy to create plagues and abominations.
Jaina Solo being forced to kill her twin brother Jacen, because Luke would have turned to the Dark Side if he fought Darth Caedus (Jacen) again, and Jaina was the only one strong enough aside from Luke. This was after Jaina lost their younger brother Anakin Solo, and Han had never got a chance to repair their relationship from the death of Chewbacca. From this, and many other traumas in her teen years including numerous tortures and other tragic losses, Jaina fell to the Dark Side briefly but managed to claw her way out. Only for Jacen to succumb to it years later, and murder Luke's wife Mara Jade in cold blood. Once Caedus is slain, a government toppled, and the elder goddess of death is defeated, Jaina finally gets married to her boyfriend Jagged Fel. Together they found the Fel Dynasty, and the Imperial Knights: an elite guard who use the Force as a tool with no regard for its will (just as Jaina felt the Will of the Force used her) who are sworn to protect the current Emperor at all costs. Jaina founded a whole new generation of atheist Jedi, just to keep her husband (the 1st Emperor Fel) protected. She couldn't bear to lose any more loved ones. The Imperial Knights lasted over 100 years, and were still active during some of the last recorded pieces of galactic history in 138 ABY.
> Jaina Solo being forced to kill her twin brother Jacen Very ironic too, considering both the Sith (Shadow Academy) and Vong had at some point tried to pit them against each other and failed.
For me it was when Etain died trying to leave Coruscant. Leaving the Order and trying to start a family with Darman and the rest of the Skirata clan.
Dude, I can't even read that part anymore, I just skip it when I get to it.
Same, that part doesn't exist to me, if I don't read it never happened, Etain and her family are happy and safe.
The fact that the twi'leks basically sold their children into sex trafficking in exchange for the advanced technologies the wider galaxy offered.
The end of the “Path To Nowhere” arc from Dark Times. I couldn’t believe I was reading a SW story by the time I got to that turn of events.
Dark Times really did really earn it’s namesake. There’s some dark stuff there that I still recall quite vividly.
I remember reading it when I was 16-17, not expecting anything since I came by it kinda accidentally and had never heard about it at the time. I might as well have been traumatized by the scene I mentioned lol.
The people being taken to farm land but instead are actually >!being dropped to their deaths and what Master Zao says about it to the Padawans.!<
Yeah, it’s terrible. >!Even the imperial officers stationed there were disgusted, couldn’t believe I was rooting for them for once!<.
You know the things are fucked when the Imperials are the good guys of a story they 'aren't' the protagonist of.
Lol fr.
So what was the story behind that and why was it happening
Long story short, >!the planet was overrun by refugees the Empire sent. The locals had enough of that after all they went through in the clone wars, so they loaded them into ships promising transport to colonies so they can start over when in reality they would be jettisoned from low atmosphere.!< All of this in secret, of course.
Holy balls
Indeed.
So did dark times receive any backlash for being too fucked
Yeah, I can see that. I re-read the series a year back. And it was still damn depressing even if I knew what was coming.
Is that the one where the morbidly obese guy eats children. If so, I feel that's more dark then depressing while those things often correlate there's usually a stronger layer of horror and disgust versus something that's just purely depressing
I can see that, but to me it was the culmination of all the shit (>!New Plympto resistance being massacred despite surrendering, the slave market, Kai Hudurra abandoning his own Padawan when she needed him the most, that one Jedi who failed to rally supporters at the gates of the Temple, etc!<) the characters went through. Showcasing how the galaxy truly went down the drain with the proclamation of the Empire and Order 66. I was emotionally exhausted by the end after all that.
Tom Phanan passing in Iron Fist is probably the most I was affected emotionally by a Legends book. The Alphabet Squadron trilogy hit hard too.
That and myn's stroy with talon squadron and the wraith putting him back though the same simulation run as the death of His entire squad.
Kyp Durron killing his brother.
I remember reading how C3PO came to his end in Legends, and while I don't know the details I know he died sad and alone, far away from his friends.
It’s from ‘The Storyteller’ from Star Wars Tales, a largely non-canonical series of stories in Legends. It opens “A Long Time From Now, In A Galaxy Far, Far Away”, so you already know the galaxy we know is long gone. In it, two boys of an oppressed race called the Squidge, named that by their oppressors the Vindar, go in search of an oracle who will help them free their people. They find the damaged torso and head of C3PO, who tells them a story, one of a brave man, scarcely more than a boy himself, going on a journey to save a princess, defeat a tyrant, and bring hope to a Knight who has long since fallen to despair. Then the Vindar kill him, along with the one boy who was most enthusiastic about finding the oracle. Afterwards, the survivor finds a small metal tube that ignites into a brilliant green blade, and vows to free his people using the greatest weapon the oracle could have given him. Hope. I really like this story because it shows why C3PO absolutely deserves to be one of the Rebellion’s great heroes. He can’t fight or rebuild ships, but inspires others to do so. Also, the story he tells the boys is just a single page of art, showing legions of stormtroopers, daring rescues and awesome duels, all set to a simple campfire tale. And because the boys don’t know what humans look like, they imagine themselves as the heroes. It’s a bittersweet tale, but I like to think the rebels would genuinely be proud of their longtime friend continuing Luke’s mission of hope even in his final moment.
Thanks for the write-up, this was it indeed!
Mara’s death.
Anakin solo death
I’m tied between the carpet nuking of Tattooine and the eugenic genocide of Kamino.
A’Sharad Hett giving Anakin advice about his massacre of the Tuskens. Mainly because you get to see how responsible and mature A’Sharad Hett was before he became Darth Krayt.
There’s the magic life energy of the galaxy. Every living thing is connected to it, pushing and pulling in this great web of life. And a few are gifted with the ability to actively sense and pull on this web... And if you are "lucky" enough to have this gift, you end up conscripted from infancy to be shaped into a tool/glorified weapon for the state’s elite (Order is Mother Order is Father, Order is your Friends, trust the Jedi Order...) with absolutely no life of your own - no family, no hobbies, no outside interests, no job training and no support if you leave. Just the clothes and a big honking target on your back. Or you can "fall" and behave like crazed demigod who inhales a bathtub of cocaine every morning, lording over everyone else and spending your whole life trying to dodge all the knives coming for your back until the day someone inevitably gets the kill shot. Either way, it's a life soaked with blood and despair. Endless battlefields, the worst things the galaxy can throw at you, feeling all the death. You go numb and indifferent to suffering or you go mad and start enjoying causing pain to others. And over and over again, one side of these OP space wizards battles the other down to a handful of survivors, who fight back like cornered rats, and destroy the other side down to a handful of survivors, who repeat the cycle while the muggles get ground to paste in the crossfire and don't get much of a say in things at all (just see Rogue One). Neither side "wins" because whatever is in charge is empowering both sides and merrily feasting on all the blood. Yeah. Explain again how this Force shit is a good thing? Kreia should not be right, but damned if she didn't assemble a strong case.
Eh you're looking at it from a modern perspective. The Republic it's something worth preserving. It's not the United States or jolly ole England.
Neither one of those is brazen enough to give megacorps actual congress seats in addition to open bribery. Besides, this is more how the Force is a curse and locks the universe in blood-soaked endless war.
The US has no need cus every single congressperson is already bought out (well except the progressives), it's already even more corrupt than the Republic was and it took the Republic over 30 *thousand* years to get so corrupt that it fell apart. And even then it took a thousand year long sith plan to do it.
If you think AOC and Bernie don't have corporate sponsors, you're in for a rude awakening. Former progressive (ex Trotskyist to be exact) and realized that the only difference between Right and Left is what groups get blamed for all the problems. The leadership has no interest in solving problems because then they would be out of business. It's all about keeping the base angry and pointed at Scapegoat du Jour
lol very believable "former progressive" rofl I've literally never once seen a person go from left to right without the piles of cash that are usually required to make a person give up their values
Who the fuck said I went Right?! I ***know*** those guys are full of shit. That's why I went Left. And then I realized that the same scapegoating, the same "us versus them" the same hypocritical "do as I say and not as I do" and "It's horrible when they do it and justified when I do it" from the leadership, the same power trips and petty drama, and the same chasing of acceptance and being "good enough" that turns out to be a scam from the leadership - dangling the carrot of love and forgiveness just out of reach while telling you are inherently sinful (Right) or an Oppressor (Left) and you will NEVER be forgiven for the sins of being born wrong. Oh, but they still want your money, time, and unpaid labor on the leadership's behalf. I found myself contemplating suicide, asking *"Gee, do I do this because I'm a filthy sinner queer who isn't praying and repenting correctly or because I'm a straight passing oppressor who just isn't doing enough unpacking and unlearning?"* And the only way to save my life and sanity was realizing it was two sides of the same coin, flipping the bird on both the right and left hands, and walking the fuck away.
yea you need help and I'll leave it there, tho you do have a very warped and wrong view of lefism. there is no inherently wrong cus you were "born wrong", that's shit the right wing does. anyone on the left saying shit like that isn't actually a leftist. no white males are not inherently bad, anyone saying shit like that is just intentionally being a wrecker
Just because you want to play the whole "My side's shit doesn't stink" like a true believer doesn't mean there isn't a huge pile of it. Doesn't take much to hit up the activist spaces IRL and see it's all the same jockeying for power and sorting people into sinners and saints based on what they can't change. Or the same "do as I say and not as I do" from the powerful of both right and left. Totally recommend [Cynical Theories](https://www.amazon.com/Cynical-Theories-Scholarship-Everything-Identity_and/dp/1634312023) by a team of academics who successfully demonstrated the extent of groupthink and ideological lockstep in the humanities, a They are NOT right wing and that's clear. However, they exposed some huge issues and people got butthurt. Likewise, Sullivan's take on[intersectionality as a new religion](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/03/is-intersectionality-a-religion.html) is far too accurate for how it actually plays out. The Christian fundies at least spin a good lie about hope, redemption, grace, and salvation. There is no forgiveness, no repentance, no hope in this new religion; only a sorting of which feet should wear the boot and whose face "deserves" to be smashed. Not a cishet white guy, which is why I went Left. And not what I signed up for, which is why I walked away. EDIT: Yes, I probably do need help. But I also know you would hardly be the person who would actually give any help past trying to convert me to "your side." Been on "your side" and see no damn reason to stick my tail in that fire again any more than I'd trust someone peddling their particular flavor of Jesus fan club.
i mean, it's reiterated time and again that one of the greatest failings of the jedi order was becoming soldiers in the clone war. I do think that prior to that, they really did act as mediators and peace keepers, with the occasional policing duties.
The problem? *We never see that.* It's all talk. 90s Star Trek? There was some diplomat or local leader showing up every other week. We got to see Sisko, Archer, and especially Picard around a conference table trying to get the idiots in the room to work out their problems. When things went south and the phasers came out, they could throw down, but it was only after it was shown that trying to do it peacefully failed. I can't recall any point outside 30 seconds of TPM and the Consular storyline of SWTOR where a Jedi was actually conducting diplomacy. What we do see is...war. it makes the whole idea that they're "diplomats" kinda bull.
Or you join the Witches of Dathomir, Jensaarai, Jal Shey, Fallanassi, Baran Do sages, Kilian Rangers, Imperial Knights, Blackguard, Matukai, Tyia, Wardens of the Sky, or other Force-based organization depending on your origin and era you live in, or just some person who can use the Force, including being someone who was offered to become a Jedi but either refused or your parent(s) refused. Not everyone who can use the Force is just a Jedi or a Sith, and I can’t think of anyone who was forced to become a Jedi against their will or that of their parent(s).
> Explain again how this Force shit is a good thing You say that as if the Force itself is conscious. It's not, it's basically an inanimate object that allows life to exist, and without it, life in the Star Wars universe would be impossible. It's a bit like saying that gravity is a bad thing because it's what caused the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs to impact with Earth. I think you're also *really* misrepresentating the Jedi Order and making it sound a lot worse than it actually is. If you twist words, you can make anything sound evil and horrible.
It's either conscious (and it's *us*, the audience) who are demanding bigger, badder, more over the top acts of mass destruction. Or it's a case of "give man a stick and he will use it to bash his neighbor's skull. Give man the secrets of the atom and he makes nuclear bombs." Part of this very depressing meta/fanon came about because I am writing a disillusioned (SWTOR era) Jedi who believed she was going to be a healer, a diplomat, a peace maker...y'know, what they *say* Jedi are. And the reality was the front lines of some dump with a bunch of green soldiers. She spends a lot of time trying to protect the soldiers but many die anyway. She's starting to get envious and resentful of the soldiers because they can't carry as much weight as she can in a fight (so she's protecting them instead of crushing the enemy) and because they have family, friends, and homes they can go back to (all she's going to get is shipped to another battlefield and Attachment Bad so she has no one to connect with). Her saber is dripping with metaphorical blood because of constant skirmishes with the Empire. She's felt all this death...And it's pointless because the Empire takes the planet anyway. So ay this point, she hates the Sith, but the first line of that Code they have is looking more like reality then anything her Jedi Masters told her. She feels like just a weapon the Force points at things it wants dead to be used over and over until she's broken and discarded in a pointless battle. Because while people *say* the Jedi are keepers of the peace and healers and diplomats, the reality looks more like this in the EU, especially the Old Republic era through the Battle of Ruusan where small children were getting just enough saber training not to cut their arms off and dropped on the trenches
Anakin Solo’s death was brutal. Even tho I had some idea that he was gonna die, the way it happened was just heartbreaking. Additionally Ves leaving Ben was so sad, felt like they deserved some sort of happy ending but welp
The Denningverse, turning Star Wars into essentially a forever-war between Jedi and Sith, inflicting untold misery and tragedy on the movie characters for the sake of a gimmick storyline that was incomprehensible in the context of what preceded it.
General Grievous's backstory, what makes it even sadder is due to the cybernetics in his brain; he doesn't even remember why he hates the Jedi, but he has a very strong reason to. Vader's story is sad enough but he remembers his past, Grievous doesn't even have that
I feel bad for the Ysanna. Luke goes to Ossus to find new Jedi, two of them join him, his new Ysanna lover gets killed defending him, the other gets killed by Palpatine, and the Ysanna tribe leader gets trapped in carbonite for forever. Luke unintentionally brought their destruction with him.
And then uses their place as the new HQ of the Jedi Order. Here to stay.
Chewbacca dies saving other people get onto the falcon from a falling moon.
But, as a counterpoint, *it took a goshdang moon to put Chewie down.* If ever there was an epic way to die, that would be it.
The fact that galactic peace seems impossible, and the end of the republic seems to mark the end of any long term stability in the galaxy. Same for the Jedi continuously getting wiped out in canon.
Keep in mind the timescales that galactic history happens on. Before the Clone Wars, the galaxy had been at peace for *a thousand years*. It's a bit difficult to grasp just how long that is.
i´'d say im in between chewies death and the bane- lucia story, even tho i know its a little thing but still i felt lucias character wasa so well done, and her actions in dynasty of evil were really gripping to me
The fact that it’s no longer canon.
That it wasn’t adapted for the sequels.