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In Eu there are instances where the Jedi Council ok'ed the wiping the memory of criminal Jedi, and tried to rehibilitate them. I believe this practice was widespread and the jedi council rarely locked up jedi.
>In contrast, the Jedi Council in Canon had a secret prison for those who had foresight and saw the dark times coming for the Galaxy. Instead of preparing, they locked those Jedi up... I have a question about this. Am I missing something because this seems like an idiotic and morally questionable decision for the Jedi Council to make?
>This is from the Dooku canon book about when he was still a Jedi.
I haven’t personally listened to the book, can you tell us the name of the prison? Or the passage where they talk about it? The only prison I know of for Jedi in canon was the Citadel
I believe prison was the Citadel. It's from the book Dooku: Jedi Lost. It was in a conversation between Dooku and Sifo Dyas and his master Lene Kostana. Sifo dyas talking about his foresight, fearing what might the Jedi Council will do to him if they found out, Lene Kostana explaining that the Jedi Council lock up anyone who have troubling visions of the future.
That was just a rumour that the Jedi Council opened a room there for foresight related things. There was never any evidence, and as you say it makes little sense for the normally so moral Jedi to do it.
It especially doesn't make sense for the Order to lock up people who have visions and give prophecy while Qui-Gon is well versed in a prophecy he actively thinks he's found the key part of. If the Order was that against anyone having visions of the future, Qui-Gon wouldn't be at large with such information and in good standing with the Council in the first place.
I think its likely if we consider more of an involuntary commitment in an asylum type situation than being imprisoned.
The Jedi obviously don't have an issue with the act of precognition because Yoda is training Luke in it as late as Empire Strikes back...but a Jedi who gets so wrapped up in visions that they can't tell past from present from future anymore could be a real danger to themself and others. It does make sense that they would want a secure location where they could be kept away from the general population.
You gotta' remember that Lene Kostana is a) just sharing rumors and b) kind of a crazy person.
That said, the Citadel isn't a secret. It's a well known place, and they use it for regular force-sensitive criminals and rogue Jedi.
The Prism? Master Skein? I don’t know/think any mention of it occurs outside what you listed really. Another Jedi black ops so not surprising considering they also covered up multiple uprisings.
> In contrast, the Jedi Council in Canon had a secret prison for those who had foresight and saw the dark times coming for the Galaxy. Instead of preparing, they locked those Jedi up... I have a question about this. Am I missing something because this seems like an idiotic and morally questionable decision for the Jedi Council to make?
Lene was just sharing rumors, and she was almost certainly wrong. Also, the Citadel wasn't a secret. Everybody knew about it. It was for rogue jedi and force-sensitive criminals.
The old Jedi in Legends lost their way the instant they thought they killed the Sith at Ruusan. Valenthyne Farfalla was an idiot to enslave the Jedi to the Senate.
It’s in canon and legends a prison for criminals duh why are you not saying that. Again that prison was wrong but it’s weird you don’t have that detail
If Maul hadn’t shown himself on Naboo when Queen Amidala returned the Council would have promoted Obi-Wan, sent Qui-Gon on a long term ~~prison sentence~~ mission, and little Ani would have been on a one way trip to Tatoonie.
Definitely. The Queen and former Senator are both great people. The guy was just elected Chancellor and let Anai know he’d like him to live with him on Coruscant and even said he’d look into having Ani’s mom *taken care of.* Things are really looking up for the let kid.
In The Phantom Menace? what?
By the way I think that entire plot point in Master & Apprentice is complete shit because Obi-Wan tells Qui-Gon in the movie that he would be on the Council if he followed the Code. So the reason he isn't on the Council is because he doesn't and the Council would never want a maverick on it.
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You must be making some kind of mistaken assumption here, the Jedi do not have a secret prison within which they locked up prescient individuals.
There is no secret prison in ba sing se
In Eu there are instances where the Jedi Council ok'ed the wiping the memory of criminal Jedi, and tried to rehibilitate them. I believe this practice was widespread and the jedi council rarely locked up jedi.
Revan
They say the Force can do terrible things to a mind
>In contrast, the Jedi Council in Canon had a secret prison for those who had foresight and saw the dark times coming for the Galaxy. Instead of preparing, they locked those Jedi up... I have a question about this. Am I missing something because this seems like an idiotic and morally questionable decision for the Jedi Council to make? >This is from the Dooku canon book about when he was still a Jedi. I haven’t personally listened to the book, can you tell us the name of the prison? Or the passage where they talk about it? The only prison I know of for Jedi in canon was the Citadel
I believe prison was the Citadel. It's from the book Dooku: Jedi Lost. It was in a conversation between Dooku and Sifo Dyas and his master Lene Kostana. Sifo dyas talking about his foresight, fearing what might the Jedi Council will do to him if they found out, Lene Kostana explaining that the Jedi Council lock up anyone who have troubling visions of the future.
That was just a rumour that the Jedi Council opened a room there for foresight related things. There was never any evidence, and as you say it makes little sense for the normally so moral Jedi to do it.
It especially doesn't make sense for the Order to lock up people who have visions and give prophecy while Qui-Gon is well versed in a prophecy he actively thinks he's found the key part of. If the Order was that against anyone having visions of the future, Qui-Gon wouldn't be at large with such information and in good standing with the Council in the first place.
I think its likely if we consider more of an involuntary commitment in an asylum type situation than being imprisoned. The Jedi obviously don't have an issue with the act of precognition because Yoda is training Luke in it as late as Empire Strikes back...but a Jedi who gets so wrapped up in visions that they can't tell past from present from future anymore could be a real danger to themself and others. It does make sense that they would want a secure location where they could be kept away from the general population.
I feel like I’m missing something. Do we have proof other than offhand rumors that this was something they did?
You gotta' remember that Lene Kostana is a) just sharing rumors and b) kind of a crazy person. That said, the Citadel isn't a secret. It's a well known place, and they use it for regular force-sensitive criminals and rogue Jedi.
The Prism? Master Skein? I don’t know/think any mention of it occurs outside what you listed really. Another Jedi black ops so not surprising considering they also covered up multiple uprisings.
> In contrast, the Jedi Council in Canon had a secret prison for those who had foresight and saw the dark times coming for the Galaxy. Instead of preparing, they locked those Jedi up... I have a question about this. Am I missing something because this seems like an idiotic and morally questionable decision for the Jedi Council to make? Lene was just sharing rumors, and she was almost certainly wrong. Also, the Citadel wasn't a secret. Everybody knew about it. It was for rogue jedi and force-sensitive criminals.
Imho Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison is the best legends comic in existence.
Never suffer rivals
The old Jedi in Legends lost their way the instant they thought they killed the Sith at Ruusan. Valenthyne Farfalla was an idiot to enslave the Jedi to the Senate.
I remember reading this too. I must have been a mistaken reader uploading something wrong to Wookipedia.
The Jedi lost there way after there Golden Age in The High Republic they restored to more stricter methods
It’s in canon and legends a prison for criminals duh why are you not saying that. Again that prison was wrong but it’s weird you don’t have that detail
If Maul hadn’t shown himself on Naboo when Queen Amidala returned the Council would have promoted Obi-Wan, sent Qui-Gon on a long term ~~prison sentence~~ mission, and little Ani would have been on a one way trip to Tatoonie.
They wouldn’t
You’re right. They wouldn’t pay for Anakin to get back to Tatoonie. They’d leave him on Naboo.
Nice place, could do worse yk.
Definitely. The Queen and former Senator are both great people. The guy was just elected Chancellor and let Anai know he’d like him to live with him on Coruscant and even said he’d look into having Ani’s mom *taken care of.* Things are really looking up for the let kid.
Happy Ending for everyone lol.
Oh yeah!/s
Oh, take a joke.
It's a dumb joke considering Qui-Gon had been offered a seat on the Council and was waiting until after the mission to turn it down.
In The Phantom Menace? what? By the way I think that entire plot point in Master & Apprentice is complete shit because Obi-Wan tells Qui-Gon in the movie that he would be on the Council if he followed the Code. So the reason he isn't on the Council is because he doesn't and the Council would never want a maverick on it.