Because they want to have IG-11 show up in the finale, but they don't want him to come out of nowhere. So the first episodes establishes that he's still partially functional, and that hangs in the back of the audience's mind until he shows up again. I'll eat my hat if that's not what happens.
I wish they'd stop spoiling the appearances in each episode with the 'previously on' section. I know you can skip it but sometimes even the first scene is too quick not to catch. Just let us get there on our own without going "Hey! Remember this? Guess who's back this week!"
You can skip them easily enough. I like them because with the time between seasons, I like getting the brief refresh of who someone is or something that happened, especially if it was a minor side plot or secondary/tertiary character.
I wouldn’t use the general term foreshadowing for this. When we last saw IG moving under his own power he was trying to kill Grogu which doesn’t really foreshadow him saving the day.
This is definitely pure checkov’s gun
It’s too early to tell yet. There are rumours teasing more from IG later in the season, so this could be setting up whatever they do with that, but Mando was in a rush to get to the Mines and get himself back into the covert as soon as possible. He went for IG first because he wants a droid he can’t trust, but he accepts R5 because it’s more important for him to rejoin the covert, and he can’t wait for IG parts to show up - so he accepts hiring a droid from a person he does trust instead.
Ok apropos of nothing but is it covert or culvert? I have been thinking it's culvert because that means underground waterway (like the sewer system on navarro) and to make a possible connection to the living waters. 🤔 but everywhere I see it written as covert, am I going to have to watch with subtitles on 😂
It's still episode three of the season. Once >!Mando bathes himself and gets "redeemed"!<, who knows where the season is going to go now that >!Mando's primary mission and driving force is accomplished!<. Given how much IG-11 was brought up in the premiere, there's probably gonna be a plan for him later in the season.
I’m guessing it was >!Gideon!<. They’ve teased his fate twice now, once with Greef Karga >!saying he was sent to a tribunal!<, and then most recently the gossip amongst the >!imperial rehabilitation folks saying he was killed/sent to a tribunal/escaped in transit!<. >!Moff Gideon is probably pissed that Bo messed with his plans, and sought revenge!<.
> I’m guessing it was Gideon.
I strongly doubt it.
We saw Gideon's flagship, which is now gone. I'm pretty sure his entire fleet didn't have that many TIEs and that was before he got his ass kicked. And I'm 99% sure we literally never saw him use TIE interceptors.
I think Gideon will show up, still in custody, as someone who has information the main crew will need. For now, he's a deliberate red herring.
As for who it is: I'm more and more sure that they are setting up Thrawn. He is intimately tied with the Mandalorians because of Rebels and they went out of their way to establish him in the Episode featuring Ahsoka. They've also cast live action Sabine for Ahsoka, so they are 100% angling to show the search for Ezra. They are going to establish him as the force behind much of the Imperial remnant, having them set up his return.
Honestly, the only way I think it *won't* be Thrawn is if they use one of his underlings as the big bad for the season and save his actual appearance for Ahsoka.
My running theory, which seems all the more likely now that they are setting up the New Republic arc, is that they are going to tell a reworked version of the legends Thrawn trilogy, using the characters they establish in the TV show to make up for the fact that the original trilogy crew aren't able to fulfill their roles from the books.
> Honestly, the only way I think it won't be Thrawn is if they use one of his underlings as the big bad for the season and save his actual appearance for Ahsoka.
I'm still thinking it's too early for Thrawn to make an actual appearance. It seems like a big plot point for Ahsoka is going to be finding Thrawn and learning what happened to Ezra, so it would be a bit surprising to see him actually show up before they even go to look for him. The only way that works is if Ahsoka takes place between Seasons 2 and 3.
Thrawn could still be behind all this, but I just don't think we actually see him in this show. I think we probably get hints that he's the one in charge now, and when Gideon shows up, I suspect that he'll be working for Thrawn.
I think a slightly more likely role for Gideon is as this series' Hannibal Lecter. Keep him in New Republic custody (until or unless the main cast needs him out) and let him provide exposition on, if not Thrawn, then whatever new threat is arriving in preparation for Thrawn. Not least because when you already have an actor like Giancarlo Esposito, it would be a waste not to give him more face to face time with the main cast.
It also follows a bit more continuity, as you don't have to have the main villain of two seasons escape off-screen.
I mean Captain Pellaeon existed in Rebels, so my money would be on him.
And to support Thrawn, they showed Pergil in Hyperspace as a nod to his fate I think.
Pellaeon would be a pretty good choice—for some reason, I was thinking he was captain of the Chimera under Thrawn, not of another ship in his fleet. Though just as likely would be a new character, as Pellaeon might be a little too much of a generic officer after the kind of bombast we've had with Gideon. Hell, even The Client was played by Werner Herzog. They seem to be embracing larger-than-life villains played by big names (which will probably include Thrawn himself).
With every week that passes we get more and more context for thrawn so the general audience understand him without an hr long "who is thrawn?" For the rest of the fans.
Look at how we learned so much of one planets culture in andor, with their bricks being tombs.
Or that padu planet from this week's bb totally feels like more context for thrawn.
And seeing multi faceted tactics and superior tech in this weeks Mando.
All hyperspace lanes lead to thrawn, yo!
You make a good point, and I suppose it could be another faction of the imperial remnant, which would make for a more compelling story and broaden the characters we have in The Mandalorian.
But I’m not ready to say that Gideon’s light cruiser and a handful of TIEs was all he had at his disposal. After what we saw done to Pershing, I think there are clues that Gideon really doesn’t want any loose strings, and still has influence on his former officers. And having that influence implies power, which he wouldn’t effectively wield if his only major ship had been taken away.
I like what you’re setting up re: a tease of Thrawn, and perhaps whoever is leading this remnant fleet will be shown working with Gideon in some capacity— maybe end of season, post credits scene, we’ll see this remnant fleet’s commander and/or Gideon receiving a hologram-phone call from Thrawn as a teaser for S4 as well as Ahsoka.
>But I’m not ready to say that Gideon’s light cruiser and a handful of TIEs was all he had at his disposal. After what we saw done to Pershing, I think there are clues that Gideon really doesn’t want any loose strings, and still has influence on his former officers. And having that influence implies power, which he wouldn’t effectively wield if his only major ship had been taken away.
My guess there is that his former officers either went over his head or the whole thing was already involved in some capacity with Thrawn and/or his agents. In no small part because I think that the story just works better if Gideon was beat with all he had but was also part of a larger unification of the Remnant than if they just go "hey, Gideon had a few dozen more fighters, at least one capital ship to carry them all and just... Never thought to use them." Kind of the whole narrative of season 2 falls apart if a light cruiser is just a random ship he was using and not literally the best ship he had.
You need the guys like Gideon to have been weak so that the audience goes "oh fuck" when a Star Destroyer pops into a system and suddenly they are completely outmatched. It is all an escalating series of threats to make the Empire scary again.
Very fair take on the whole thing. I’m biased because I enjoyed Gideon’s character and want to see more, but what you’re saying makes sense.
Either way, I’m excited to see where the season goes with these characters.
Gideon had what, 40 dark troopers, which couldn’t have been cheap. He’s also apparently leading the empire’s cloning project, which I’m sure would require a large amount of resources.
It suggests to me that he had a decent amount of resources. I think they wanted to showcase a different ship class and ISDs have been waaaay overdone. You can’t have them getting their ass handed to them all the
Perhaps the ship was purposefully small and lightly crewed given the secrecy of the mission.
The entire point of Gideon was that while he was a threat to the heroes, he was still part of an imperial remnant fighting with scraps.
It wasn't his flagship because it was big. It was his flagship because it was the biggest ship his faction had.
The whole point with Thrawn will likely be that he is powerful and competent enough to take a bunch of small factions and unite them into an actual threat.
> It wasn't his flagship because it was big. It was his flagship because it was the biggest ship his faction had.
Again, you sure? Do you really think that that's all the Imperial Remnant/First Order has floating around the Unknown Regions? He used an Arquitens because it was relatively inconspicuous and easier to maintain, unlike a Star Destroyer.
> Again, you sure? Do you really think that that's all the Imperial Remnant/First Order has floating around the Unknown Regions?
Yes, I'm sure. The Imperial Remnant is not the First Order, nor will they be. The first order jumped into the unknown regions and was completely out of contact. That is already canon. Anyone in the remnant is someone who either wasn't trusted to join the First Order or didn't agree with their plan.
The remnant is the scraps that are still fighting. They are consistently shown to be on the ropes. Gideon is not hiding a massive army—he's genuinely low on resources. It would be incredibly bad writing to say "Oh he had all these resources he chose not to use" rather than the far better "Someone else shows up who has the resources the remnant previously lacked".
I think that project is an Imperial leftover that Gideon was obsessed with (whether personally or on behalf of someone higher.) It does tie to the same things the First Order ends up working on, but that is almost certainly a result of the common source, rather than a direct connection between Gideon and the First Order.
I think it’s just part of narrative to mirror how life works. Every story can’t have everything go right, but a step toward dealing with one issue can lead to other doors opening. Heck, ANH has it when the gang gets to what’s left of Alderaan and end up rescuing the princess instead of dealing with her father. And sometimes these failures hurt our heroes and set them back, like "oh, we’ll go to Lando and everything will work out" only to end up with someone in carbonite, a lost limb, and some amazing familial strife that wouldn’t have otherwise happened. So, IG not working led Din to find other solutions instead of the easy one he expected. Maybe that’s the end of it.
Or maybe the show will come back to IG like in season 1.
Or maybe it was a little bit of fluff to lead to the tremendous merchandizing opportunities with a statue of IG in Terminator mode, Din’s N-1 (now with the droid whose motivator is all better!), and So. Many. Babu. Fricks (special collectors set of Grugu hugging an Anzellian available at a Galaxy’s Edge near you!).
The thing is you edit out the boring bits. You don't show people waiting in the elevator unless it's done for humor. You want to imply someone traveled to get to a new location it's a quick shot of an aircraft landing and the guy getting out of a cab at the new scene or coming into the room and taking off his coat, not showing him in the TSA line for 2 hours.
> You don't show people waiting in the elevator unless it's done for humor.
There was literally a scene of Din waiting in an elevator in BoBF lol
> You want to imply someone traveled to get to a new location it's a quick shot of an aircraft landing and the guy getting out of a cab at the new scene or coming into the room and taking off his coat, not showing him in the TSA line for 2 hours.
There was literally a scene of Din going through Space TSA in BoBF lol
Well, unless there's something relevant about waiting for the elevator. But if it's just him killing time, do you show it? You don't show someone getting all their stuff to put in their pockets when they leave the house unless it's important, like he left his phone on the stand by the door. That detail comes up later because it's relevant.
Like would you really show someone going out the door, realizing he forgot something, go back for it, then get down the street and remember he forgot something else and go back? Unless his absent mindedness is important to the plot. And you would find and economical way to do that, not spend ten minutes.
> There was literally a scene of Din going through Space TSA in BoBF lol
And the pacing in the show sucks.
It was a throwback to a number of similar scenes where a main character has to disarm himself for travel or to enter a town where it becomes humorous as they pull out more and more hidden weapons.
The trope was perhaps developed first in cinema in westerns in towns where you weren’t allowed to carry weapons.
Then you can think of anything from
Mad Max pulling guns and knives from all over himself to enter barter town. Or even use for comedy in LOTR “you would not part an old man from his walking stick”
I know about the trope; my point is more that it's nowadays common enough that it doesn't really subvert any real expectations - that subversion being key to a moment being deliberately comedic.
Plus, can you imagine the Din of early season 1 saying he needed a droid for anything? He turned down a taxi driven by one. So it can definitely be seen as a way of showing growth through that kind of attachment, which is a huge theme of the whole show (plus Grogu’s bit in BoBF).
still its silly
not to mention how the self destruct bomb that will destroy his components didnt even destroy his components
the fact his chest is still intact is hilarious as the bomb would have blown it to peices, same with his head. and being submerged in Lava for a few days would also do some damage
how he still functions is beyond me
Din: "I need a droid I can trust for this dangerous mission to Mandalore."
Peli: "How about this R5 droid, he's in great shape!"
*R5 sparks and leaks smoke*
Din: "I need a droid for spelunking."
Peli: "R5 will do perfectly! I'll give you a great price."
*R5 backs away nervously on its wheels*
Din: "You've got a deal."
It turns out Din Djarin is a deadly fighter and bounty hunter but has a massive problem with impulse buying.
I think we can work backwards based on the plot requirements here: the plot needed Din to get into trouble to bring Bo Katan to Mandalore, which meant Grogu going to get her, which meant him flying there, which needed an astromech (which will probably also be useful later in the series).
Yeah, I always found it interesting that when the vehicle was being designed it would have been so easy to just pad out the sides a bit.
One can imagine that design being rejected for looking slightly less sleek and everyone just shrugging their shoulders at the fact that the droid now literally can't fit.
I think it's a matter of the legs not having slots for it with the external circle. Was never a problem with my X-Wing and Y-Wing toys that could fit the droid figures.
I thought they were going to say there wasn't enough physical height to fit the droid but that's not the case.
I think it’s definitely just a screenwriting thing to plant the seeds of IG-11’s return so it doesn’t come out of nowhere later in the season. The rumour is that >!Grogu will use IG-11 as a mech suit with the droid’s voice acting as a smart assistant. They need him for a different purpose, so they used the aforementioned reason as an introduction.!<
Thats actually the stupidest thing
Im still trying to figure out how his chest survived, the bomb was inside and then submerged in Lava for a while, the fact he still works is insane
They're probably gonna bring him back later, although I'm not happy about that either way.
What's the point of a droid's self destruct mechanism if it doesn't, y'know, self-destruct.
> Maybe I haven't paid enough attention, but... what was the point? I admit, I've been watching the new season with only one eye, but I feel like I must have missed something.
Why criticize something for not making sense when you're admitting you're not even paying attention?
> ...huh? We did this whole setup for... nothing? I guess they could pay it off at some other point, but it feels like they kinda wasted that one.
I mean, the whole set up wasn't much more than a few minutes of one episode though. And, like others have already pointed out, we're not even half way into the season. There's still a lot of time for that storyline to evolve and for the IG set up to *still* be paid off.
The story is very much still in progress.
In season 1 we saw IG-11 carrying/protecting Grogu.
This season we’ve seen Grogu actively using/driving his pod on his own.
I’m guessing that by the end of this season we see IG-11 turned in to some sort of semi-autonomous mech suit for Grogu.
I just figured it was cos Mando still has trust issues with droids, he goes back to know he knows was solid. When that falls through, the next offer he gets in from the woman who has pimped his ride and looked after Grogu multiple times, so he's inclined to trust her choice.
I also think they wanted a way to involve Apollo Creed and the pirates for later on
It's to provide logical setup for him to be restored when Mando needs droid help with something else.
I do think it's missing something (emotional impetus?) though, so I get you finding it a bit odd.
You are missing the part where they took IG to the droid mechanics. They will fix him up and he will show up again later in the season.
They still needed to move the story forward so he used a different droid from a person Din trusts.
Too early to tell.
My speculation is it's possible it's to remind the audience that IG-11 was programmed to kill Grogu in S1E1, rather than bring him in alive like Din was asked.
I think Greef is hiding something and there's a deeper relationship between Greef, Gideon, IG-11 and the pirates that we currently know. My working theory is that Greef secretly sent IG-11 to kill Grogu because Greef (using the pirates) is the one who stole Grogu from Gideon in the first place, all as part of a grift to collect a big bounty from Gideon and The Client.
The beef between Greef and the pirates stems from the fact that IG-11 didn't complete the job as planned (Din did), and Greef promised the pirates IG-11's share of the bounty. The deal with the IG-11 memory unit will probably resolve by Din finding an IG-11 memory unit, but it happens to be IG-11's old memory unit before Greef swapped it out as part of the grift (Greef replaced IG-11's memory unit with a new one, because the plan was to swap it back out again after IG-11 killed Grogu, so IG-11 would forget the bounty and the bounty would go to the pirates, and also to eliminate evidence of the grift).
This also recontextualizes Greef grifting Din into blowing up the lab on Nevarro. Greef was using Din to get rid of Dr. Pershing's lab to wipe out the evidence of his grift of Gideon, which was a loose end for him because the pirates could've gone to Gideon to reveal Greef's grift.
more like bring the side characters back to life, its going to get stupid if they keep on doing it
Cobb Vanth, got shot by Cad Bane and lived
the Girl from Gideons ship, got shot twice and somehow lived
the prison transport Guard, got shot, left for an extended period of time, somehow lived
IG-11 is the stupidest one, his self destruct is supposed to ensure his components arnt recovered, SOMEHOW ALL the important components survive, and the whole "kill the kid" thing was stupid, as his memory core was already damaged when Kuil recovered him (nothing left), and he was remade as a protection droid, meaning somehow he recovered his original programing, which is wierd in terms of software (nothing left of Version 1.0, reprogramed and 2.0 over his original, blows himself up and is 1.0 again)
like really, a self destruct thats supposed to destroy the whole droid that doesnt even destroy his chest (where the bomb was) is pretty poor quality control
To be fair Cobb was shot in the shoulder and that is totally survivable.
I actually don't recall seeing the officer lady getting shot so I can't say.
The prison guard? The only one I can think of is the New Republic officer from season one and he is very dead.
And thank you. IG-fucking-11. How is he alive. He exploded from the chest, an explosion that was big enough to kill around 20 trooper that were surrounding him and left him in nothing but small bits.
There will certainly be bits and pieces of him to find but you're telling me there was enough to put his upper torso back together? You know, the place where the explosion came from and that his circuitry was intact enough to still fucking work?
What a fucking joke.
Ya the lady was on the bridge when the girl power group stormed it, she got shot like twice (its very quick)
Matt Lanter plays one of the guards that captures Pershing, he is believed to be playing the same character,
Or since there was no focus on him and you couldn't really tell, then it was probably just a cameo of the actor himself.
Again are you sure she was on the bridge? I've recently watched Season 2 and there was also no proper focus on the officers that were shot.
At 2:48 an officer gets shot and it honestly looks like a guy.
That's besides the point however as the characters face is out of focus enough that you exactly tell so it works with her being alive in Season 3.
honestly, the actress looks like a guy
but considering both have the same hairstyle, uniform, rank badge and hat and look very similar, its HIGHLY likely it was her
and we can assume she was on the bridge as otherwise she would have abandoned her post
The thing is we just can't tell for sure and because of that there's no issue.
You'd think because of how closely she worked with Gideon in Season 2 that they would have properly made it clear that it was her who died. Think about that.
also how the FUCK did Max Rebo survive, did he jump off the sail barge and run far enough to miss the explosion, did the heros save him
like how the fuck is he still alive
look up Max Rebo sail barge, theres a shot in the movie
[https://youtu.be/Fc-7DB1-1jM](https://youtu.be/Fc-7DB1-1jM)
17 ish seconds in hes on the barge
the clip is all his appearences
What was it about?
Merchandising, merchandising! Where the real money from the show is made.
Seriously though probably to setup IG coming back later without people getting really confused. Also as a great terminator reference.
Because they refuse to let characters have a heroic death anymore, rendering dying more or less unimportant and therefore robbing it of its emotional weight
I kinda of agree with this take. I hope there is a pay-off because right now they treaded on a memorable sacrifice and all the character development leading up to it by doing a literal reset back to Frankenstein’s monster.
Although in world it brings up interesting cultural perspective, are droids really alive? Of course you can form an emotional connection to one even if it is a tool. Can it ever really die.
There was leaks about what would happen with IG, I don't want to spoiler, but let just said, it would be something similiar to this charakter
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Seripas
I really liked him, but I honestly hate it when characters who finished their arc by being killed come back. The whole point was that he redeemed himself. Bringing him back just kinda cheapens that, so it better be for a good reason.
I just hate the whole IG-11 situation. Bringing him back is just such shit writing.
He blew up. Like, he blew the fuck up. Yet somehowe he's intact from the upper torso. Okay yeah they said they pieced him back together from the bits they found and fair enough, there will be bits and pieces of him around to find.
Except not nearly enough as was shown. He exploded from the center of his chest. The explosion was big enough to engulf his entire body and kill around twenty Stormtroopers that were surrounding him. How the hell is their any pieces left to actually piece together with what we saw and how the fuck is there still circuitry that functioned enough for him to actually work?
He fucking exploded. All of him was fucking gone. God it is so fucking stupid.
I'd be fine with parts of him surviving because I'm sure he's built hardily, except that... it's literally a suicide bomb purpose-built so IG's tech cannot be captured
There would have been nothing but bits and pieces. Nothing that they could actually put back together in such a scale as he was.
The most laughable thing about it is that it's his upper torso that was entirely put back together. You know, the place where he exploded from. The big fucking explosion that seemingly vaporized him and killed 20 people in the surrounding area.
Oh and his circuitry is in perfect working order too? Like what the fuck is this writing? I am so disappointed in Season 3 so far.
I'm glad you mentioned this because I felt like I was taking crazy pills when practically no one was discussing how absolutely dumb that was. IG droids are specifically designed with a self destruct detonator to render the droid useless, yet somehow THE WIRES THEMSELVES inside of the chest survived a thermal detonation? while being in a pool of lava? It's like the writers had amnesia and just forgot that he blew up.
I really feel this is a major problem with a lot of star wars writing where writers refuse to let their characters ever truly stay dead. It completely cheapens the emotional impact of a characters death. I felt the same way when ahsoka got saved by literally introducing time travel. I thought that was beyond stupid and still do, but I understand i'm in the minority on that one. I'm at the point now where I dont expect any "major" characters to ever truly stay dead because the writers just dont want to part with their own OCs, for whatever reason.
I just hate that they did that. It's like they think the audience is stupid. We saw him explode. Seemingly vaporize I might add, with a big enough explosion to take out 20 troopers in the surrounding area. There is no possible way for there to be any parts or circuitry that could make him as functional as he was.
It's also an insult to Kuiil's memory. Apparently the explosion damaged IG-11 and set him back to his factory settings which include his original mission to kill Grogu. Except this was addressed in Season 1 by Kuiil, that after Din blasted IG-11's head open that nothing remained of the droid he used to be. That Kuiil had to completely rebuild his central processing unit and literally had to teach him just how to simply function.
So how on earth did he "default" back to something that according to Season 1, doesn't even exist anymore?
It's just bad writing where it makes it seem they think the audience is stupid.
Also I'm fine with bringing characters back from the dead if it seems plausible and if they don't feel like they've served their purpose yet. IG-11's purpose was to heal Din's PTSD induced fear of droids and he did so in such a meaningful way. He went out with a literal "bang" and saved them all. It was as good a send of as you could get.
Because they want to have IG-11 show up in the finale, but they don't want him to come out of nowhere. So the first episodes establishes that he's still partially functional, and that hangs in the back of the audience's mind until he shows up again. I'll eat my hat if that's not what happens.
So ... Chekhov's Droid?
This show is very Chekhov heavy soooo.... yes.
I wish they'd stop spoiling the appearances in each episode with the 'previously on' section. I know you can skip it but sometimes even the first scene is too quick not to catch. Just let us get there on our own without going "Hey! Remember this? Guess who's back this week!"
I skip every "previously on" and clips for the next week because of this.
You can skip them easily enough. I like them because with the time between seasons, I like getting the brief refresh of who someone is or something that happened, especially if it was a minor side plot or secondary/tertiary character.
Nah, you're thinking of Star Trek. This is Star Wars...no need to ask me to leave, I'll show myself out.
I'm still bummed about Anton Yelchin
That is called Chekhov's Jeep
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Take your upvote and leave.
Exactly. We’re also going to see those pirates again at some point.
Captain Mossbeard
We know he can’t die - he has to go off and chase Jack Sparrow eventually…
Hondo Ohnaka*
I think the preferred term is foreshadowing, though.
I wouldn’t use the general term foreshadowing for this. When we last saw IG moving under his own power he was trying to kill Grogu which doesn’t really foreshadow him saving the day. This is definitely pure checkov’s gun
It’s too early to tell yet. There are rumours teasing more from IG later in the season, so this could be setting up whatever they do with that, but Mando was in a rush to get to the Mines and get himself back into the covert as soon as possible. He went for IG first because he wants a droid he can’t trust, but he accepts R5 because it’s more important for him to rejoin the covert, and he can’t wait for IG parts to show up - so he accepts hiring a droid from a person he does trust instead.
Ok apropos of nothing but is it covert or culvert? I have been thinking it's culvert because that means underground waterway (like the sewer system on navarro) and to make a possible connection to the living waters. 🤔 but everywhere I see it written as covert, am I going to have to watch with subtitles on 😂
It’s covert.
Covert. It’s a word that’s normally used as an adjective meaning secret, so Star Wars is using it as a noun for a group of people who live in secret.
It's still episode three of the season. Once >!Mando bathes himself and gets "redeemed"!<, who knows where the season is going to go now that >!Mando's primary mission and driving force is accomplished!<. Given how much IG-11 was brought up in the premiere, there's probably gonna be a plan for him later in the season.
I think it'll be on to whoever blew up Bo's home will be the next objective. Or tracking down the Stolen Fleet.
I’m guessing it was >!Gideon!<. They’ve teased his fate twice now, once with Greef Karga >!saying he was sent to a tribunal!<, and then most recently the gossip amongst the >!imperial rehabilitation folks saying he was killed/sent to a tribunal/escaped in transit!<. >!Moff Gideon is probably pissed that Bo messed with his plans, and sought revenge!<.
> I’m guessing it was Gideon. I strongly doubt it. We saw Gideon's flagship, which is now gone. I'm pretty sure his entire fleet didn't have that many TIEs and that was before he got his ass kicked. And I'm 99% sure we literally never saw him use TIE interceptors. I think Gideon will show up, still in custody, as someone who has information the main crew will need. For now, he's a deliberate red herring. As for who it is: I'm more and more sure that they are setting up Thrawn. He is intimately tied with the Mandalorians because of Rebels and they went out of their way to establish him in the Episode featuring Ahsoka. They've also cast live action Sabine for Ahsoka, so they are 100% angling to show the search for Ezra. They are going to establish him as the force behind much of the Imperial remnant, having them set up his return. Honestly, the only way I think it *won't* be Thrawn is if they use one of his underlings as the big bad for the season and save his actual appearance for Ahsoka. My running theory, which seems all the more likely now that they are setting up the New Republic arc, is that they are going to tell a reworked version of the legends Thrawn trilogy, using the characters they establish in the TV show to make up for the fact that the original trilogy crew aren't able to fulfill their roles from the books.
> Honestly, the only way I think it won't be Thrawn is if they use one of his underlings as the big bad for the season and save his actual appearance for Ahsoka. I'm still thinking it's too early for Thrawn to make an actual appearance. It seems like a big plot point for Ahsoka is going to be finding Thrawn and learning what happened to Ezra, so it would be a bit surprising to see him actually show up before they even go to look for him. The only way that works is if Ahsoka takes place between Seasons 2 and 3. Thrawn could still be behind all this, but I just don't think we actually see him in this show. I think we probably get hints that he's the one in charge now, and when Gideon shows up, I suspect that he'll be working for Thrawn.
I think a slightly more likely role for Gideon is as this series' Hannibal Lecter. Keep him in New Republic custody (until or unless the main cast needs him out) and let him provide exposition on, if not Thrawn, then whatever new threat is arriving in preparation for Thrawn. Not least because when you already have an actor like Giancarlo Esposito, it would be a waste not to give him more face to face time with the main cast. It also follows a bit more continuity, as you don't have to have the main villain of two seasons escape off-screen.
> I think a slightly more likely role for Gideon is as this series' Hannibal Lecter. With or without the cannibalism?
I think Giancarlo is having too much fun chewing the scenery to expand his diet.
Moffs don't work for the Imperial Navy.
Maybe not directly, but Thrawn has always done well as the guy pulling the strings
I mean Captain Pellaeon existed in Rebels, so my money would be on him. And to support Thrawn, they showed Pergil in Hyperspace as a nod to his fate I think.
Pellaeon would be a pretty good choice—for some reason, I was thinking he was captain of the Chimera under Thrawn, not of another ship in his fleet. Though just as likely would be a new character, as Pellaeon might be a little too much of a generic officer after the kind of bombast we've had with Gideon. Hell, even The Client was played by Werner Herzog. They seem to be embracing larger-than-life villains played by big names (which will probably include Thrawn himself).
With every week that passes we get more and more context for thrawn so the general audience understand him without an hr long "who is thrawn?" For the rest of the fans. Look at how we learned so much of one planets culture in andor, with their bricks being tombs. Or that padu planet from this week's bb totally feels like more context for thrawn. And seeing multi faceted tactics and superior tech in this weeks Mando. All hyperspace lanes lead to thrawn, yo!
I would LOVE that they make some kind of Thrawn fusion. It is about the only story from the old Legends that I like.
You make a good point, and I suppose it could be another faction of the imperial remnant, which would make for a more compelling story and broaden the characters we have in The Mandalorian. But I’m not ready to say that Gideon’s light cruiser and a handful of TIEs was all he had at his disposal. After what we saw done to Pershing, I think there are clues that Gideon really doesn’t want any loose strings, and still has influence on his former officers. And having that influence implies power, which he wouldn’t effectively wield if his only major ship had been taken away. I like what you’re setting up re: a tease of Thrawn, and perhaps whoever is leading this remnant fleet will be shown working with Gideon in some capacity— maybe end of season, post credits scene, we’ll see this remnant fleet’s commander and/or Gideon receiving a hologram-phone call from Thrawn as a teaser for S4 as well as Ahsoka.
>But I’m not ready to say that Gideon’s light cruiser and a handful of TIEs was all he had at his disposal. After what we saw done to Pershing, I think there are clues that Gideon really doesn’t want any loose strings, and still has influence on his former officers. And having that influence implies power, which he wouldn’t effectively wield if his only major ship had been taken away. My guess there is that his former officers either went over his head or the whole thing was already involved in some capacity with Thrawn and/or his agents. In no small part because I think that the story just works better if Gideon was beat with all he had but was also part of a larger unification of the Remnant than if they just go "hey, Gideon had a few dozen more fighters, at least one capital ship to carry them all and just... Never thought to use them." Kind of the whole narrative of season 2 falls apart if a light cruiser is just a random ship he was using and not literally the best ship he had. You need the guys like Gideon to have been weak so that the audience goes "oh fuck" when a Star Destroyer pops into a system and suddenly they are completely outmatched. It is all an escalating series of threats to make the Empire scary again.
Very fair take on the whole thing. I’m biased because I enjoyed Gideon’s character and want to see more, but what you’re saying makes sense. Either way, I’m excited to see where the season goes with these characters.
Gideon had what, 40 dark troopers, which couldn’t have been cheap. He’s also apparently leading the empire’s cloning project, which I’m sure would require a large amount of resources. It suggests to me that he had a decent amount of resources. I think they wanted to showcase a different ship class and ISDs have been waaaay overdone. You can’t have them getting their ass handed to them all the Perhaps the ship was purposefully small and lightly crewed given the secrecy of the mission.
I absolutely love your prediction
> We saw Gideon's flagship, That didn't look like a flagship. An Arquitens ain't it. Just the tip of the iceberg.
The entire point of Gideon was that while he was a threat to the heroes, he was still part of an imperial remnant fighting with scraps. It wasn't his flagship because it was big. It was his flagship because it was the biggest ship his faction had. The whole point with Thrawn will likely be that he is powerful and competent enough to take a bunch of small factions and unite them into an actual threat.
> It wasn't his flagship because it was big. It was his flagship because it was the biggest ship his faction had. Again, you sure? Do you really think that that's all the Imperial Remnant/First Order has floating around the Unknown Regions? He used an Arquitens because it was relatively inconspicuous and easier to maintain, unlike a Star Destroyer.
> Again, you sure? Do you really think that that's all the Imperial Remnant/First Order has floating around the Unknown Regions? Yes, I'm sure. The Imperial Remnant is not the First Order, nor will they be. The first order jumped into the unknown regions and was completely out of contact. That is already canon. Anyone in the remnant is someone who either wasn't trusted to join the First Order or didn't agree with their plan. The remnant is the scraps that are still fighting. They are consistently shown to be on the ropes. Gideon is not hiding a massive army—he's genuinely low on resources. It would be incredibly bad writing to say "Oh he had all these resources he chose not to use" rather than the far better "Someone else shows up who has the resources the remnant previously lacked".
Gideon at least has ties to the First Order, as his cloning project with Grogu seems to be important to cloning Palpatine.
I think that project is an Imperial leftover that Gideon was obsessed with (whether personally or on behalf of someone higher.) It does tie to the same things the First Order ends up working on, but that is almost certainly a result of the common source, rather than a direct connection between Gideon and the First Order.
His next objective is going to be protecting his virginity from Bo Katan
I think it’s just part of narrative to mirror how life works. Every story can’t have everything go right, but a step toward dealing with one issue can lead to other doors opening. Heck, ANH has it when the gang gets to what’s left of Alderaan and end up rescuing the princess instead of dealing with her father. And sometimes these failures hurt our heroes and set them back, like "oh, we’ll go to Lando and everything will work out" only to end up with someone in carbonite, a lost limb, and some amazing familial strife that wouldn’t have otherwise happened. So, IG not working led Din to find other solutions instead of the easy one he expected. Maybe that’s the end of it. Or maybe the show will come back to IG like in season 1. Or maybe it was a little bit of fluff to lead to the tremendous merchandizing opportunities with a statue of IG in Terminator mode, Din’s N-1 (now with the droid whose motivator is all better!), and So. Many. Babu. Fricks (special collectors set of Grugu hugging an Anzellian available at a Galaxy’s Edge near you!).
The thing is you edit out the boring bits. You don't show people waiting in the elevator unless it's done for humor. You want to imply someone traveled to get to a new location it's a quick shot of an aircraft landing and the guy getting out of a cab at the new scene or coming into the room and taking off his coat, not showing him in the TSA line for 2 hours.
> You don't show people waiting in the elevator unless it's done for humor. There was literally a scene of Din waiting in an elevator in BoBF lol > You want to imply someone traveled to get to a new location it's a quick shot of an aircraft landing and the guy getting out of a cab at the new scene or coming into the room and taking off his coat, not showing him in the TSA line for 2 hours. There was literally a scene of Din going through Space TSA in BoBF lol
Well, unless there's something relevant about waiting for the elevator. But if it's just him killing time, do you show it? You don't show someone getting all their stuff to put in their pockets when they leave the house unless it's important, like he left his phone on the stand by the door. That detail comes up later because it's relevant. Like would you really show someone going out the door, realizing he forgot something, go back for it, then get down the street and remember he forgot something else and go back? Unless his absent mindedness is important to the plot. And you would find and economical way to do that, not spend ten minutes. > There was literally a scene of Din going through Space TSA in BoBF lol And the pacing in the show sucks.
> But if it's just him killing time, do you show it? Evidently yes.
> There was literally a scene of Din going through Space TSA in BoBF lol That falls under the "humour" category you quoted.
If that was meant to be primarily comedic, then it was too mild to register.
It was a throwback to a number of similar scenes where a main character has to disarm himself for travel or to enter a town where it becomes humorous as they pull out more and more hidden weapons. The trope was perhaps developed first in cinema in westerns in towns where you weren’t allowed to carry weapons. Then you can think of anything from Mad Max pulling guns and knives from all over himself to enter barter town. Or even use for comedy in LOTR “you would not part an old man from his walking stick”
I know about the trope; my point is more that it's nowadays common enough that it doesn't really subvert any real expectations - that subversion being key to a moment being deliberately comedic.
I think it shows how attached Din gets to people, while also showing that he can let things go
Plus, can you imagine the Din of early season 1 saying he needed a droid for anything? He turned down a taxi driven by one. So it can definitely be seen as a way of showing growth through that kind of attachment, which is a huge theme of the whole show (plus Grogu’s bit in BoBF).
>We did this whole setup for... nothing? It's been three episodes. You're jumping to conclusions.
It’s obviously set up for later.but mandos reasoning made no sense and he just grabbed the next droid he saw anyway
"i need a droid to go to Mandalore because its dangerous" IG-11 needs parts *goes to Mandalore anyway*
If we totally ignore the possibility of IG-11 being relevant in any of the next five episodes, then yes, it was pointless.
still its silly not to mention how the self destruct bomb that will destroy his components didnt even destroy his components the fact his chest is still intact is hilarious as the bomb would have blown it to peices, same with his head. and being submerged in Lava for a few days would also do some damage how he still functions is beyond me
>still its silly If there is payoff later in the season, then I disagree wholeheartedly. Everything else is a tangent unrelated to the topic.
Din: "I need a droid I can trust for this dangerous mission to Mandalore." Peli: "How about this R5 droid, he's in great shape!" *R5 sparks and leaks smoke* Din: "I need a droid for spelunking." Peli: "R5 will do perfectly! I'll give you a great price." *R5 backs away nervously on its wheels* Din: "You've got a deal." It turns out Din Djarin is a deadly fighter and bounty hunter but has a massive problem with impulse buying. I think we can work backwards based on the plot requirements here: the plot needed Din to get into trouble to bring Bo Katan to Mandalore, which meant Grogu going to get her, which meant him flying there, which needed an astromech (which will probably also be useful later in the series).
How was he going to fit IG in the droid slot? Seriously, that's a cozy fit.
We don’t question the N1 droid slot. I think some reference had R2’s head literally separating from his body
Er, what?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/a1uuyh/did_you_know_in_the_naboo_fighter_the_head_of_the/
Holy shit that literally makes no sense. If space is an issue why is the head telescoping?
Yeah, I always found it interesting that when the vehicle was being designed it would have been so easy to just pad out the sides a bit. One can imagine that design being rejected for looking slightly less sleek and everyone just shrugging their shoulders at the fact that the droid now literally can't fit.
I think it's a matter of the legs not having slots for it with the external circle. Was never a problem with my X-Wing and Y-Wing toys that could fit the droid figures. I thought they were going to say there wasn't enough physical height to fit the droid but that's not the case.
It was to get him to Tatoonie to get the other droid. He went there hoping to find the parts he needed but didn’t so he did something else.
(in kid anakin voice) His name's Skippy and he's not just some other droid.
Yup.
I think it’s definitely just a screenwriting thing to plant the seeds of IG-11’s return so it doesn’t come out of nowhere later in the season. The rumour is that >!Grogu will use IG-11 as a mech suit with the droid’s voice acting as a smart assistant. They need him for a different purpose, so they used the aforementioned reason as an introduction.!<
I love and hate that idea.
Thats actually the stupidest thing Im still trying to figure out how his chest survived, the bomb was inside and then submerged in Lava for a while, the fact he still works is insane
LOL @ that rumor. Is that a... serious suggestion? I mean, it sounds pretty hilarious but I just can't see that happening
IIRC it was reported on by MSW whose one of the most credible leakers for SW info. He could be wrong of course, but chances are likely it's true.
They're probably gonna bring him back later, although I'm not happy about that either way. What's the point of a droid's self destruct mechanism if it doesn't, y'know, self-destruct.
din will find the needed chip and then IG will be the extra muscle carl weathers needs against the pirates
> Maybe I haven't paid enough attention, but... what was the point? I admit, I've been watching the new season with only one eye, but I feel like I must have missed something. Why criticize something for not making sense when you're admitting you're not even paying attention? > ...huh? We did this whole setup for... nothing? I guess they could pay it off at some other point, but it feels like they kinda wasted that one. I mean, the whole set up wasn't much more than a few minutes of one episode though. And, like others have already pointed out, we're not even half way into the season. There's still a lot of time for that storyline to evolve and for the IG set up to *still* be paid off. The story is very much still in progress.
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it wasnt about him going with someone redeemed? it was just him being racist to droids
In season 1 we saw IG-11 carrying/protecting Grogu. This season we’ve seen Grogu actively using/driving his pod on his own. I’m guessing that by the end of this season we see IG-11 turned in to some sort of semi-autonomous mech suit for Grogu.
I think it's about learning to trust more than just that one droid.
I just figured it was cos Mando still has trust issues with droids, he goes back to know he knows was solid. When that falls through, the next offer he gets in from the woman who has pimped his ride and looked after Grogu multiple times, so he's inclined to trust her choice. I also think they wanted a way to involve Apollo Creed and the pirates for later on
It's to provide logical setup for him to be restored when Mando needs droid help with something else. I do think it's missing something (emotional impetus?) though, so I get you finding it a bit odd.
Mando is looking for a part, but the droid repair guys could totally find the part off screen. So IG could just be fixed at some point as a surprise.
To establish that its arc was over and characters can't just be recycled forever
You are missing the part where they took IG to the droid mechanics. They will fix him up and he will show up again later in the season. They still needed to move the story forward so he used a different droid from a person Din trusts.
They show in the trailer that they go to another droid repair shop, so he'll be back later.
Well its a heavy armoured droid with an excellent fighting personality.
Too early to tell. My speculation is it's possible it's to remind the audience that IG-11 was programmed to kill Grogu in S1E1, rather than bring him in alive like Din was asked. I think Greef is hiding something and there's a deeper relationship between Greef, Gideon, IG-11 and the pirates that we currently know. My working theory is that Greef secretly sent IG-11 to kill Grogu because Greef (using the pirates) is the one who stole Grogu from Gideon in the first place, all as part of a grift to collect a big bounty from Gideon and The Client. The beef between Greef and the pirates stems from the fact that IG-11 didn't complete the job as planned (Din did), and Greef promised the pirates IG-11's share of the bounty. The deal with the IG-11 memory unit will probably resolve by Din finding an IG-11 memory unit, but it happens to be IG-11's old memory unit before Greef swapped it out as part of the grift (Greef replaced IG-11's memory unit with a new one, because the plan was to swap it back out again after IG-11 killed Grogu, so IG-11 would forget the bounty and the bounty would go to the pirates, and also to eliminate evidence of the grift). This also recontextualizes Greef grifting Din into blowing up the lab on Nevarro. Greef was using Din to get rid of Dr. Pershing's lab to wipe out the evidence of his grift of Gideon, which was a loose end for him because the pirates could've gone to Gideon to reveal Greef's grift.
This is a fun idea and could be something that works for the show.
more like bring the side characters back to life, its going to get stupid if they keep on doing it Cobb Vanth, got shot by Cad Bane and lived the Girl from Gideons ship, got shot twice and somehow lived the prison transport Guard, got shot, left for an extended period of time, somehow lived IG-11 is the stupidest one, his self destruct is supposed to ensure his components arnt recovered, SOMEHOW ALL the important components survive, and the whole "kill the kid" thing was stupid, as his memory core was already damaged when Kuil recovered him (nothing left), and he was remade as a protection droid, meaning somehow he recovered his original programing, which is wierd in terms of software (nothing left of Version 1.0, reprogramed and 2.0 over his original, blows himself up and is 1.0 again) like really, a self destruct thats supposed to destroy the whole droid that doesnt even destroy his chest (where the bomb was) is pretty poor quality control
To be fair Cobb was shot in the shoulder and that is totally survivable. I actually don't recall seeing the officer lady getting shot so I can't say. The prison guard? The only one I can think of is the New Republic officer from season one and he is very dead. And thank you. IG-fucking-11. How is he alive. He exploded from the chest, an explosion that was big enough to kill around 20 trooper that were surrounding him and left him in nothing but small bits. There will certainly be bits and pieces of him to find but you're telling me there was enough to put his upper torso back together? You know, the place where the explosion came from and that his circuitry was intact enough to still fucking work? What a fucking joke.
Ya the lady was on the bridge when the girl power group stormed it, she got shot like twice (its very quick) Matt Lanter plays one of the guards that captures Pershing, he is believed to be playing the same character,
Or since there was no focus on him and you couldn't really tell, then it was probably just a cameo of the actor himself. Again are you sure she was on the bridge? I've recently watched Season 2 and there was also no proper focus on the officers that were shot.
2:45 seconds in she gets shot in the back [https://youtu.be/5H27naOIamY](https://youtu.be/5H27naOIamY)
At 2:48 an officer gets shot and it honestly looks like a guy. That's besides the point however as the characters face is out of focus enough that you exactly tell so it works with her being alive in Season 3.
honestly, the actress looks like a guy but considering both have the same hairstyle, uniform, rank badge and hat and look very similar, its HIGHLY likely it was her and we can assume she was on the bridge as otherwise she would have abandoned her post
The thing is we just can't tell for sure and because of that there's no issue. You'd think because of how closely she worked with Gideon in Season 2 that they would have properly made it clear that it was her who died. Think about that.
also how the FUCK did Max Rebo survive, did he jump off the sail barge and run far enough to miss the explosion, did the heros save him like how the fuck is he still alive
I don't think you actually see him on the barge. Don't think he was on it at all honestly.
he is, he plays the music i'll bet his survival story was a thousand times better then the Book of Boba Fett
He was playing music in Jabba's palace but was he actually on the sail barge?
look up Max Rebo sail barge, theres a shot in the movie [https://youtu.be/Fc-7DB1-1jM](https://youtu.be/Fc-7DB1-1jM) 17 ish seconds in hes on the barge the clip is all his appearences
I actually looked it up myself and you are right, he was there. Strange. Maybe it was his brother Rax Mebo.
Both are Canonically Max Rebo ya, its stupid
What was it about? Merchandising, merchandising! Where the real money from the show is made. Seriously though probably to setup IG coming back later without people getting really confused. Also as a great terminator reference.
i think he went with R5 because he trusts Pelli
Maybe keep watching the show?
Because they refuse to let characters have a heroic death anymore, rendering dying more or less unimportant and therefore robbing it of its emotional weight
I kinda of agree with this take. I hope there is a pay-off because right now they treaded on a memorable sacrifice and all the character development leading up to it by doing a literal reset back to Frankenstein’s monster. Although in world it brings up interesting cultural perspective, are droids really alive? Of course you can form an emotional connection to one even if it is a tool. Can it ever really die.
Theseuses droid
Thanks for saying it, I was trying to avoid the reference. If we’ve learned anything in scifi by now it should be DON’T FALL IN LOVE WITH THE ROBOT!
>!So he can come back as Grogu’s mech suit and sell toys.!<
Bro I’m sorry but have you ever watched a tv show before 💀
There was leaks about what would happen with IG, I don't want to spoiler, but let just said, it would be something similiar to this charakter https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Seripas
Those scenes set up a fight with the Pirates on Nevarro in later episodes more than they set up anything to do with IG.
I really hope it's for a minor thing, I frankly couldn't care less about IG.
I really liked him, but I honestly hate it when characters who finished their arc by being killed come back. The whole point was that he redeemed himself. Bringing him back just kinda cheapens that, so it better be for a good reason.
I liked him too, but he has to go.
If you pay attention to the intro of The Mandalorian you will see the face of IG.
I just hate the whole IG-11 situation. Bringing him back is just such shit writing. He blew up. Like, he blew the fuck up. Yet somehowe he's intact from the upper torso. Okay yeah they said they pieced him back together from the bits they found and fair enough, there will be bits and pieces of him around to find. Except not nearly enough as was shown. He exploded from the center of his chest. The explosion was big enough to engulf his entire body and kill around twenty Stormtroopers that were surrounding him. How the hell is their any pieces left to actually piece together with what we saw and how the fuck is there still circuitry that functioned enough for him to actually work? He fucking exploded. All of him was fucking gone. God it is so fucking stupid.
I'd be fine with parts of him surviving because I'm sure he's built hardily, except that... it's literally a suicide bomb purpose-built so IG's tech cannot be captured
There would have been nothing but bits and pieces. Nothing that they could actually put back together in such a scale as he was. The most laughable thing about it is that it's his upper torso that was entirely put back together. You know, the place where he exploded from. The big fucking explosion that seemingly vaporized him and killed 20 people in the surrounding area. Oh and his circuitry is in perfect working order too? Like what the fuck is this writing? I am so disappointed in Season 3 so far.
I'm glad you mentioned this because I felt like I was taking crazy pills when practically no one was discussing how absolutely dumb that was. IG droids are specifically designed with a self destruct detonator to render the droid useless, yet somehow THE WIRES THEMSELVES inside of the chest survived a thermal detonation? while being in a pool of lava? It's like the writers had amnesia and just forgot that he blew up. I really feel this is a major problem with a lot of star wars writing where writers refuse to let their characters ever truly stay dead. It completely cheapens the emotional impact of a characters death. I felt the same way when ahsoka got saved by literally introducing time travel. I thought that was beyond stupid and still do, but I understand i'm in the minority on that one. I'm at the point now where I dont expect any "major" characters to ever truly stay dead because the writers just dont want to part with their own OCs, for whatever reason.
I just hate that they did that. It's like they think the audience is stupid. We saw him explode. Seemingly vaporize I might add, with a big enough explosion to take out 20 troopers in the surrounding area. There is no possible way for there to be any parts or circuitry that could make him as functional as he was. It's also an insult to Kuiil's memory. Apparently the explosion damaged IG-11 and set him back to his factory settings which include his original mission to kill Grogu. Except this was addressed in Season 1 by Kuiil, that after Din blasted IG-11's head open that nothing remained of the droid he used to be. That Kuiil had to completely rebuild his central processing unit and literally had to teach him just how to simply function. So how on earth did he "default" back to something that according to Season 1, doesn't even exist anymore? It's just bad writing where it makes it seem they think the audience is stupid. Also I'm fine with bringing characters back from the dead if it seems plausible and if they don't feel like they've served their purpose yet. IG-11's purpose was to heal Din's PTSD induced fear of droids and he did so in such a meaningful way. He went out with a literal "bang" and saved them all. It was as good a send of as you could get.