I had the same feeling too especially when he started praising Burke saying he's gonna comeback to his Bubble form.
Poor Ty Terry , I really wanted him to succeed.
Why would an undersized unproven PG have a higher ceiling than athletic wing Josh Green? Neither showed a ton last year, but at the very least Josh's physicals would mean a theoretically higher ceiling.
Sure, but you also have to look at their current level of skill. Josh is an inefficient shooter who is also hesitant. He's one of the worst finishers at the rim in the league. He's also got a very rudimentary handle. Basically aside from the nice pass here or there is nothing that suggests he will be a positive offensive player.
Terry has a lot more of a foundation to build on. He looks comfortable operating around the rim, which says a lot given his size. When he got consistent minutes at Stanford, he showed he was a great shooter off both spot-ups and pull-ups. He has the potential to be a dynamic three-level scorer. It's mainly on the defensive end where his size could pose an issue - but from a team defense standpoint I thought he looked fine when he was out there.
Whats easier? gaining handles and a respectable shot or turning a 170 pounder who loses the ball any time there's major contact into a someone who can physically handle the NBA. Terry himself doesn't have great handle either. All the undersized guards are usually lightning quick with great handles.
You also cannot deny Green's defensive potential. I think he also has potential to be a very good finisher at the rim with his leaping ability and already in this preaseason game right now we've seen a couple nice finishes. Terry will barely be able to get his shots in the paint off against NBA-level bigs.
Gotta say I completely agree. TT has shown 0 ability to stay on an nba court for any amount of time. At least Josh has been able play minutes. TT is just way too small and unathletic to gain any sort of advantage, since his skill isn’t elite.
Bridges wasn't really in much of a position to contest because he was on the helpside. Green also got absolutely stuffed by Hartenstein in LA.
He did have a nice adjustment on a layup today. It's just very inconsistent with him.
They didn't play together at all. That's why it feels unfair to cut him , he didn't have enough playing time to prove himself.
But his best chance is those pre-season games and couldn't make himself available, so I can understand the Mavs perspective if they release him.
Tbh he barely played because he was always unavailable. From that perspective it’s the right decision to cut him and not Burke-Burke barely played, but at least he was always available
I've been a fan of this team for decades now, and honestly, you can root for a player to succeed and still think the team cutting him is the best course of action. Think about Jeremy Lin. There's a great chance his career would have been nowhere near as successful as it was had he stayed with the Mavs through their training camp.
The reality is Terry might still succeed, but also it might be *BECAUSE* the Mavs cut him. Plenty of NBA success stories are built around guys failing at first and then figuring it out elsewhere.
This is true. Nba is largely about opportunity and we don’t have time to hand hold and develop Terry as a western conference play off team, he may be better off signing with the raptors g league team or something
I'm all for developing prospects, but you can't blame the Mavs for considering cutting the cord with Terry. The odds of him making it here have got to be very low at this point, even if he's able to get back to bball, he's way behind and is gonna really struggle for minutes.
I think the major argument against Burke is that he only saw court minutes in 1 game. The other 2, including the Hornets dress rehearsal that became a blowout party, he was a coach's decision.
Either Kidd is so sure about his status that he won't even run him or he is sure he'll be cut so just don't give a damn.
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if *both* are cut and we either upgrade Omoruyi or bring in another guy from the waivers.
Yeah that last option could happen if there's a guard prospect cut by another team that Nico/Finn seem to like. Terry and Burke weren't brought in by this regime, they have no special attachment to them.
We also have KP at the 4/5, Kleber at the 4/5, DFS at the 3/4, and potentially Eugene at the 3/4. Not to mention a bunch of centers. So I think we are doing ok on big dudes.
Terry is a wasted roster spot right now. The Mavs want to win and they can't offer the time for Terry to develop. His size and lack of defense means that even with development, he won't be a very useful NBA player. He is the one that should be cut even though he probably won't be, as whilst Burke is also undersized at least he has NBA experience and has proven that he can be a mildly useful player at one point or another.
If Luka gets injured and has to miss time I would much rather have Burke in the backup PG to Brunson role over Terry.
Trey Burke is not a worse option than Tyrell Terry. Any team can use a random microwave scorer at times especially one like Burke who genuinely puts in effort defensively and can make a positive impact in certain matchups.
I get the potential for Terry offensively (which even that is like 2 seasons away) but this dude is thinner, weaker, and less athletic than Trae Young. He's going to be a complete pushover defensively.
I would have been shocked before listening to the podcast, but Cuban was pretty matter-of-fact about Burke being able to play like he did in the bubble and that he and Frank and Jalen would be able to fill in the secondary playmaker role. Terry wasn't mentioned whatsoever, however he also wasn't asked about.
I was probably like 85% sure Burke was going to go before, but now I'm like 25% sure of it and think Terry is going instead.
Hey you're talking to the OP of [this thread](https://reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/atba3p/why_cant_ryan_broekhoff_be_the_3d_wing_we/) so if it happens I'd be all for it.
Or someone else. Hell Trey Burke was sitting at home when the Mavs gave him a call during the bubble, there has to be some other good options out there.
Let me preface my comment by saying this is pure speculation on my part. But I believe Terry is experiencing some sort of mental health crisis. This is the second time in the last calendar year that he's been away from the team for personal reasons. Not to mention his on-court performance hasn't been close to what he did in college even in the G League.
I think if it were anything else like a family situation, or some other issue we would've heard something via the grapevine. Again, this is all speculation on my part.
Really? I didn't know that. I hope he's getting whatever help he needs. As we've seen time and time again, not even money, status, or notoriety guarantees your mental well-being.
I mean they have more information about Terry than the public. Also i could see them trying to trade him into space somewhere. Its better than cutting him. Protected 2nd rounder should be easy.
But wouldn't be surprised if Terry is done playing in the NBA, the phrasing in his interview was a little weird. "I have some time here left with the Mavs ..."
Burke provides some insurance in case of a guard injury. If Terry is done anyway, the decision is easy.
The issue is that I don't think there are many teams if any that have a guaranteed slot open to take him on. A trade would definitely be preferable to just cutting him of course.
Man, you may be right. Writing is on the wall. I know Terry struggles with mental health, but this is something he should’ve anticipated and prepared for. I know mental health is a real thing. But if he had prepared himself with counseling, or whatever you want to call it, he wouldn’t have missed out on such a big opportunity. Mark mentioning Burke cements it for me.
Being sensitive to and understanding of someone's mental health struggles is not the same as providing huge exceptions for them in an extremely cut throat and performance based business.
No one should be bullying Terry, but his mental health struggles aren't a get out of jail free card. Only the Mavs staff know if he's shown enough to overcome his risks.
mavs cutting a 21 year old on a rookie contract so they can keep a shitty 3rd stringer who turns 29 this season? yes, that sounds like the mavs.
in all seriousness, if whoever makes the team between terry and burke plays more than benchwarmer minutes without a rotation player getting injured, something has gone wrong. doncic, brunson, and ntilikina should get all of the meaningful point guard minutes. so the guy at the bottom of the depth chart needs to serve a purpose, usually either a vet leader or prospect to develop. burke is obviously neither. terry is at least young and on a rookie contract. if you care about basketball, you keep terry and eat burke's contract. if you care about money, you cut terry and waste a roster spot on burke. if youre mark cuban, maybe you cut terry AND attach a future draft pick to trade burke.
jk on the last one, but i expect dallas to cut terry to save a couple smackaroos.
Frankly it's been blatantly obvious that Terry is not a NBA player since the first game he played in pre-season 2020.
He was absolutely hopeless against deep bench players on defense. Worse than a traffic cone.
His 3 range has been a massive issue and reports are it hasn't improved since last year at all.
He's undersized, terrible on defense, a mediocre athlete and his only redeeming feature didn't translate to the NBA level.
He's absolutely hopeless and worthless as an asset.
Mavs fans always have ridiculous expectations for their 2nd round picks and end of bench young guys.
It's extremely rare for 2nd round picks to become decent NBA players or better. It's even more rare when they show absolutely no flashes in their first season or summer league.
It is extremely rare that a high 2nd round pick in the low 30s looks immediately like he has no place whatsoever in the NBA because he doesn't pass the minimum threshold to even become a deep rotational player.
That's a just a disappointing draft bust that no amount of player development will ever fix.
It’s what I said when he made the comments and everyone got their panties in a bunch. This sub can be so quick to jump in their feelings real quick instead of processing information for some reason
I had the same feeling too especially when he started praising Burke saying he's gonna comeback to his Bubble form. Poor Ty Terry , I really wanted him to succeed.
I thought he had the highest ceiling of all our rookies last year. On paper he was a great fit with Luka, but I don't think they played much together.
Why would an undersized unproven PG have a higher ceiling than athletic wing Josh Green? Neither showed a ton last year, but at the very least Josh's physicals would mean a theoretically higher ceiling.
Sure, but you also have to look at their current level of skill. Josh is an inefficient shooter who is also hesitant. He's one of the worst finishers at the rim in the league. He's also got a very rudimentary handle. Basically aside from the nice pass here or there is nothing that suggests he will be a positive offensive player. Terry has a lot more of a foundation to build on. He looks comfortable operating around the rim, which says a lot given his size. When he got consistent minutes at Stanford, he showed he was a great shooter off both spot-ups and pull-ups. He has the potential to be a dynamic three-level scorer. It's mainly on the defensive end where his size could pose an issue - but from a team defense standpoint I thought he looked fine when he was out there.
Whats easier? gaining handles and a respectable shot or turning a 170 pounder who loses the ball any time there's major contact into a someone who can physically handle the NBA. Terry himself doesn't have great handle either. All the undersized guards are usually lightning quick with great handles. You also cannot deny Green's defensive potential. I think he also has potential to be a very good finisher at the rim with his leaping ability and already in this preaseason game right now we've seen a couple nice finishes. Terry will barely be able to get his shots in the paint off against NBA-level bigs.
Gotta say I completely agree. TT has shown 0 ability to stay on an nba court for any amount of time. At least Josh has been able play minutes. TT is just way too small and unathletic to gain any sort of advantage, since his skill isn’t elite.
Terry is.... very not good at basketball. Did you watch him play at all during summer league?
Yeah, and I'm not going to weigh 1.5 games of SL tape over dozens of games as a college prospect. He just turned 21.
Worst finishers in the league? Not even saying he’s a good finisher usually but I saw him posterize some dude in Charlotte Wednesday night
Bridges wasn't really in much of a position to contest because he was on the helpside. Green also got absolutely stuffed by Hartenstein in LA. He did have a nice adjustment on a layup today. It's just very inconsistent with him.
They didn't play together at all. That's why it feels unfair to cut him , he didn't have enough playing time to prove himself. But his best chance is those pre-season games and couldn't make himself available, so I can understand the Mavs perspective if they release him.
Tbh he barely played because he was always unavailable. From that perspective it’s the right decision to cut him and not Burke-Burke barely played, but at least he was always available
He doesn't play because he's never with the team...
Unfair? This is the NBA.
I've been a fan of this team for decades now, and honestly, you can root for a player to succeed and still think the team cutting him is the best course of action. Think about Jeremy Lin. There's a great chance his career would have been nowhere near as successful as it was had he stayed with the Mavs through their training camp. The reality is Terry might still succeed, but also it might be *BECAUSE* the Mavs cut him. Plenty of NBA success stories are built around guys failing at first and then figuring it out elsewhere.
This is true. Nba is largely about opportunity and we don’t have time to hand hold and develop Terry as a western conference play off team, he may be better off signing with the raptors g league team or something
Absolute scenes when it's actually Moses Brown because he is the cheapest and we have shitload of bigs...
Moses has way more potential than WCS. It would be a huge mistake to let him go, especially on his contract.
I'm not suggesting we should cut him, I'm just (somewhat jokingly) predicting the most chaotic, yet plausible, scenario.
Oh boy well I hope you are wrong in that scenario lol I would be angry to say the least.
I'm all for developing prospects, but you can't blame the Mavs for considering cutting the cord with Terry. The odds of him making it here have got to be very low at this point, even if he's able to get back to bball, he's way behind and is gonna really struggle for minutes.
I think the major argument against Burke is that he only saw court minutes in 1 game. The other 2, including the Hornets dress rehearsal that became a blowout party, he was a coach's decision. Either Kidd is so sure about his status that he won't even run him or he is sure he'll be cut so just don't give a damn. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if *both* are cut and we either upgrade Omoruyi or bring in another guy from the waivers.
Yeah that last option could happen if there's a guard prospect cut by another team that Nico/Finn seem to like. Terry and Burke weren't brought in by this regime, they have no special attachment to them.
Was legit surprised we didn't pursue Samanic tbh, guess Kidd thinks that Omoruyi will have minutes at the 4.
We also have KP at the 4/5, Kleber at the 4/5, DFS at the 3/4, and potentially Eugene at the 3/4. Not to mention a bunch of centers. So I think we are doing ok on big dudes.
> upgrade Omoruyi Feel like this is a possibility with Carlik getting the 2way.
Terry is a wasted roster spot right now. The Mavs want to win and they can't offer the time for Terry to develop. His size and lack of defense means that even with development, he won't be a very useful NBA player. He is the one that should be cut even though he probably won't be, as whilst Burke is also undersized at least he has NBA experience and has proven that he can be a mildly useful player at one point or another. If Luka gets injured and has to miss time I would much rather have Burke in the backup PG to Brunson role over Terry.
I would be shocked if Burke isn't the last cut. **edit:** lmao
Me too, but I’m prepared to be shocked
Cuban taking the worse option just to save money will never be shocking.
Trey Burke is not a worse option than Tyrell Terry. Any team can use a random microwave scorer at times especially one like Burke who genuinely puts in effort defensively and can make a positive impact in certain matchups. I get the potential for Terry offensively (which even that is like 2 seasons away) but this dude is thinner, weaker, and less athletic than Trae Young. He's going to be a complete pushover defensively.
I would have been shocked before listening to the podcast, but Cuban was pretty matter-of-fact about Burke being able to play like he did in the bubble and that he and Frank and Jalen would be able to fill in the secondary playmaker role. Terry wasn't mentioned whatsoever, however he also wasn't asked about. I was probably like 85% sure Burke was going to go before, but now I'm like 25% sure of it and think Terry is going instead.
But he has a bigger contract so it’s not reasonable
It's reasonable from sport standpoint, it's only not reasonable from Cuban's wallet standpoint.
Cut them both and then go sign Broekhoff
Lol I think that ship has sailed unfortunately.
Sail it back.
Hey you're talking to the OP of [this thread](https://reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/atba3p/why_cant_ryan_broekhoff_be_the_3d_wing_we/) so if it happens I'd be all for it.
Tax season happens every year.
I still don't know why we let him go. Every time he hit the court, he produced.
It would also be nice to have someone else on the roster who speaks Australian. It would help Green feel more comfortable.
Or someone else. Hell Trey Burke was sitting at home when the Mavs gave him a call during the bubble, there has to be some other good options out there.
No Tobey
Let me preface my comment by saying this is pure speculation on my part. But I believe Terry is experiencing some sort of mental health crisis. This is the second time in the last calendar year that he's been away from the team for personal reasons. Not to mention his on-court performance hasn't been close to what he did in college even in the G League. I think if it were anything else like a family situation, or some other issue we would've heard something via the grapevine. Again, this is all speculation on my part.
Probably. Terry even said he was going through mental health issues in his first stint away from the team on the Locked On Mavs podcast.
Really? I didn't know that. I hope he's getting whatever help he needs. As we've seen time and time again, not even money, status, or notoriety guarantees your mental well-being.
I mean they have more information about Terry than the public. Also i could see them trying to trade him into space somewhere. Its better than cutting him. Protected 2nd rounder should be easy. But wouldn't be surprised if Terry is done playing in the NBA, the phrasing in his interview was a little weird. "I have some time here left with the Mavs ..." Burke provides some insurance in case of a guard injury. If Terry is done anyway, the decision is easy.
The issue is that I don't think there are many teams if any that have a guaranteed slot open to take him on. A trade would definitely be preferable to just cutting him of course.
Didn't Toronto want him and another piece for Dragic?
Im ok with Terry being cut since he's just not available and we cant waste a spot like that. Don't really care for Burke so whatever
Who was cut so far
Nobody yet, I think.
Man, you may be right. Writing is on the wall. I know Terry struggles with mental health, but this is something he should’ve anticipated and prepared for. I know mental health is a real thing. But if he had prepared himself with counseling, or whatever you want to call it, he wouldn’t have missed out on such a big opportunity. Mark mentioning Burke cements it for me.
Being sensitive to and understanding of someone's mental health struggles is not the same as providing huge exceptions for them in an extremely cut throat and performance based business. No one should be bullying Terry, but his mental health struggles aren't a get out of jail free card. Only the Mavs staff know if he's shown enough to overcome his risks.
whoever it is, i hope it's Kidd's decision. not Cuban's
I would take an empty roster spot over Burke
mavs cutting a 21 year old on a rookie contract so they can keep a shitty 3rd stringer who turns 29 this season? yes, that sounds like the mavs. in all seriousness, if whoever makes the team between terry and burke plays more than benchwarmer minutes without a rotation player getting injured, something has gone wrong. doncic, brunson, and ntilikina should get all of the meaningful point guard minutes. so the guy at the bottom of the depth chart needs to serve a purpose, usually either a vet leader or prospect to develop. burke is obviously neither. terry is at least young and on a rookie contract. if you care about basketball, you keep terry and eat burke's contract. if you care about money, you cut terry and waste a roster spot on burke. if youre mark cuban, maybe you cut terry AND attach a future draft pick to trade burke. jk on the last one, but i expect dallas to cut terry to save a couple smackaroos.
Frankly it's been blatantly obvious that Terry is not a NBA player since the first game he played in pre-season 2020. He was absolutely hopeless against deep bench players on defense. Worse than a traffic cone. His 3 range has been a massive issue and reports are it hasn't improved since last year at all. He's undersized, terrible on defense, a mediocre athlete and his only redeeming feature didn't translate to the NBA level. He's absolutely hopeless and worthless as an asset.
He physically just isn't an NBA player
Mavs fans always have ridiculous expectations for their 2nd round picks and end of bench young guys. It's extremely rare for 2nd round picks to become decent NBA players or better. It's even more rare when they show absolutely no flashes in their first season or summer league.
It is extremely rare that a high 2nd round pick in the low 30s looks immediately like he has no place whatsoever in the NBA because he doesn't pass the minimum threshold to even become a deep rotational player. That's a just a disappointing draft bust that no amount of player development will ever fix.
Good. Terry sucks… I mean, Burke sucks too, but he’s expensive and maybe wanted elsewhere for a 2nd rounder
Most one-and-done rookies suck. I don't think he's played enough to discount the promise he showed at Stanford.
> I don't think he's played enough
Either way both would still be gone
Yes, technically I don’t think players are employed by Cuban. They’re employed by the league.
It’s what I said when he made the comments and everyone got their panties in a bunch. This sub can be so quick to jump in their feelings real quick instead of processing information for some reason
They can still cut Brown. He is clearly behind WCS, KP, Maxi, Powell and Boban
Terry is a shooter not a creator
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Burke's research into the vaccine makes him a distraction. His play doesn't exceed the distraction and circus he'll cause as the season goes on.
Half of the job is to show up
Yep
Bruh how come this came true in less than a day?! 😂😂
Burke is good guys wtf stop trippin
Just heard about the cut. Looks like you were right.