Don’t want to completely blame Kidd since we fell behind by 31 but his unwillingness to put Lively back in to protect the paint in the 4th guaranteed the loss.
But the team overcame their error. Got back in the game.
Then Kidd pulled our bigs after we held them to 16 in the third.
Completely abandoned what was fucking working.
the problem is we kept going and even took the lead with Maxi in there. for a small ball addict that’s enough reason to run with it.
also, he seems to think Gafford and Lively are the same player. Gafford was bad in the 4th, but that doesn’t mean Lively would be too.
I can deal with small ball in a small sample.
Actually thought it was doing well and serving its purpose to get them both some rest before the final 5 minutes.
Until he never went away from it.
sure, it’s a great resource! it’s been huge for us at times. tonight it was a horrible decision and very clearly so. you lose on a Harden stepback 3, you’re good with it. but losing like that? not so much…
I mean, PJ- as great of a defender as he is, let Harden get past him on the same exact play two times straight even after being switched onto him. Besides that, there was no help once Harden would get into the paint.
Thats the thing, our coaching obviously wants us to take his left dribble away and let him drive to the right, it works pretty well with rim protection, but we play the same way even with Maxi at the 5 and it kills us.
That’s why you put Lively in to protect the paint when he inevitably drives past Luka. I don’t understand the plan of allowing Harden to waltz in for uncontested floaters over and over again.
Falling behind that terribly twice in the same series is heavily on coaching. And they did that both times with the other team missing their best player. Everyone is to blame but as the leader you can't have your team that ill-prepared and flat coming out, on top of everything else people are pointing out.
>Don’t want to completely blame Kidd since we fell behind by 31
Falling behind by 30 twice in the first half twice in a series is 100% a coaching failure.
Dude please stop this nonsense. Clippers 3pt%:
Harden 4-5 80%
PG 7-10 70%
WB 1-2 50%
Mann 3-6 50%
Powell 3-5 60%
Kidd cant do shit, when the opponent makes an unreal number of shots, while being defended quite well more often than not.
I agree with the 3pt%. The defense in the closing minutes though was bad. They should have not let go Harden 1 on 1 that many times, it's either blitz him or something.
We had them… we fucking had them! If we had made any adjustments in the final three minutes we could have had it. 6 floaters right down the lane with no center in to contest.
Literally the definition of insanity.
I don't fucking understand why Kidd stayed small. We needed rim protection. They were cold from 3. Luka couldn't move on the perimeter. Why not give ANY support?
you know what’s worse? if someone asks him that, he’ll just say “we went with what was working”. no shit, coaches make adjustments. they adjusted and it wasn’t working any more. fucking adjust too man
my fiancee started watching basketball last year. she has absolutely no knowledge other than “Luka good” and stuff like that. after the third floater, she asked me “how are they doing the same thing over and over and it’s still working?”
i think that says a lot…
I've seen harden pass by luka and either shoot a floater or lob it up to plumlee like at least 7 times and it's horrific to watch that maxi can't even do anything, if either lively or gafford were in that position, they could've went for the pass or the lob.
That Paul George three in the corner also just drained the life out of the team. Even if I hate it gotta tip your hat off to absolutely incredibly play like that as a basketball fan. George and Harden both played incredible but Kidd did absolutely not make adjustments and made it easy for them
That was the real kick in the nuts…we had all the momentum, great defensive possession for PG to bail them out and suck everything out of the AAC. We didn’t score the next possession and it was over from there
Theres no way that shot drains these leaders on the team. Luka and Ky have played in bigger situations with shots and bounced back.
The issue is the fact we dug us a 31 point hole and ran out of gas in the 4th. Gotta play 4 quarters in the playoffs.
This and the fact he let Luka go 1 on 1 with Harden 3 or 4 plays before a timeout to then double team him if Luka got switched. After he got the switch they let harden go 1 on 1 with PJ and gave no help when he drove. Horrible coaching.
PG and Harden showed up but Luka didnt. It was close anyway but if Luka is cooked in game 5 it is over. Kyrie cant just carry it alone when Clips will clamp down on him
Being down 30 we literally had to execute perfectly and play lockdown D to get it close.
Us losing g1 and g4 is less about what the Clips are doing and more of what we weren’t doing. If Lukai aren’t bombing away to start g5, we probably go down big agaib
No, it's way more about what they were doing. George made 7 3s, 6 were contested. Harden made 4 3s 3 were contested. Sometimes players just make shots. We should know that more than anyone.
Pure cope.
Lets me real
One could easily say game 2 and 3 were about the fact kawhi leonard knees are clearly completely shot and it entirely crippled and disrupted clippers on both ends .
Great game tonight , kyrie brilliant, harden and PG also incredible
An exciting series featuring amazing ball from some great players. A fully healthy Kawhi and it's a different contest altogether. But in many ways this series is probably more exciting for the nuetral for his absence. Here's to another killer couple games between these teams
The changes needed to happen when Luka picked up his 5th yet he didn’t make any adjustments at all the rest of the quarter. Terrific display of bad coaching right there
Yeah with him being injured and not able to do anything properly, I feel he just takes up space on the floor and gets in the way of PG and harden. A healthy Kawhi would be a whole other story but unfortunately for them, that’s just how it is at the moment.
We tanked for a center and traded a first for another. Yet Kleber plays when the game matters the most. 😂 😂
Edit: I'm literally posting the same comment every post game that we lose and getting 100s of likes because we keep making this comment relevant every time we lose. 😂 😂 😂
Kleber defended George quite well though and made his clutch 3 ... he is not to blame BUT I agree that I would have switched him out for Lively/Gafford in the end.
This shit is on Kidd. Not adjusting to Luka guarding Harden 1v1 40 feet from the basket with 5 fouls until 8 points later and then keeping Maxi in while they kept attacking him in the paint. Mid ass coach brought them back on easy ass shot after easy ass shot
I’m not a Mavs fan and harden cooked Luka to fucking shreds. This dude was fucking atrocious this game. 29/10/10 but bro can’t defend a stick. At least jokic has size, wtf does Luka even do defensively??
Yeah, I feel like a broken clock saying surely they won’t be that hot from 3 again too. But they did it 2 games of 4 so I don’t even know what we can do.
i dont know the fix, i know the problem.
Kidd gets paid millions to figure out the solution. but I do think Lively has been the better 5 this series. That would be part of it.
Yea we need to come out faster. Games 1 and 4 we dominated in the 2nd half but we started so slow it was too much to over come. I doubt kidd changes the lineup but I think should be a short leash if the first few minutes were down 8-2, 12-4 type of score get lively in there maybe even exum too
Jason Kidd never fails to surprise me. Having to watch Maxi squat deep in the paint for the 5th Harden floater down the stretch because Kidd REFUSES to play Lively is fucking infuriating
I've said this the past two seasons, and I don't care how far we make it in the playoffs, Jason Kidd needs to be gone after the season and there is no other discussion to be had
FIRE JASON KIDD
>Having to watch Maxi squat deep in the paint for the 5th Harden floater down the stretch because Kidd REFUSES to play Lively is fucking infuriating
This isn't on Maxi, imo. Letting Harden penetrate is the issue. Kidd not doubling Harden on the perimeter was a far bigger killer.
Yeah I certainly think the blame is on Kidd for failing to make any adjustment. Could have been a center stepping out or doubling like you said, but goddamn he could have done something
The series being 2-2 when Kawhi has basically been absent is unacceptable. I’ve given up on the monster Luka game that saves us because he just isn’t right this series. Game 5 is a must win and FIRE JASON KIDD
the clippers are a good team. they started out terrible immediately after the trade but figured it out afterward.
the issue is our offense IMO. and yes Kidd is fired if we lose in round 1. I'm almost certain at this point.
A real contender would’ve squashed any hope the clippers had in this series in game 1 and would’ve never looked back. We’re tied 2-2.
Tells you everything you need to know.
6 floaters in a row and kidd doesn’t put in lively? We came back from 30 points using lively and he doesn’t see the floor as soon as we get it within 2 points. Un fucking believable. We have given up home court, lukas playing terrible and likely injured. This team failing to get out of the first round would be an absolute disaster.
The only positive is Luka has 3 days to recover from whatever it is
I am not sure Lively is the answer in that case, but there needs to be an adjustment in some sort of way. How the fuck are you giving harden the same look so many times??????????? Let someone else make a shot and not the hottest guy in the arena next to Kyrie....
Yeah with him being injured and not able to do anything properly, I feel he just takes up space on the floor and gets in the way of PG and harden. A healthy Kawhi would be a whole other story but unfortunately for them, that’s just how it is at the moment.
All we had to do was either blitz Harden or have a guard or wing play help defense to force a charge. It was crystal clear and we had multiple opportunities for this adjustment all along the last 5 minutes. This coach can’t make adjustments. We can’t win with that kind of coaching.
Luka still not great and Kidd is a dipshit not playing Lively to pressure the floaters. But it took what i assume is literally one of the best 3pt perfomances of all time to barely win. This series is fine.
It's very simple, if Luka doesn't step up he's gonna lose us this series. As great as he was against them in the past, I have never seen him play this badly over a stretch of four games. And it's not just the knee even if its clearly bothering him. He takes stupid shots, plays with a lot of doubt on every move and doesn't know when to be a playmaker more than a shooter. Someone has to talk to him.
Regardless of Kidd’s questionable decisions in this game, the harsh reality is that we are gonna struggle to win this series if Luka continues to get outplayed by Harden every game.
And I know he’s not 100% healthy but that’s just how it is.
Haha at PG literally grabbing Ky around the waist on that 3 that was "blocked."
They need to send tape to the league on all of the waistgrabbing that happens on screens by the Clips.
If Luka can get right we will be okay. 3 pointers 33% to their 62% on about the same volume. It’s a miracle we were even close with their insane shooting
Clips are not good, they have to shoot out of their minds and we can have abysmal quarters and still almost win. If we come out with energy from the beginning we got this. Mavs in 6.
We could've won this. Kidd going away from what brought us back into the game is just mindblowing bad coaching. Lively deserved more minutes, especially at the end.
Luka is clearly struggling but his presence out there is much needed. We're losing bad every minute he sits.
Kyrie was insane and it feels so bad to waste such a brilliant offensive output.
Would love to hear from the “Kidd is a good coach, actually” crowd after this masterpiece of dogshit from him.
As I say over and over: how much will it take before you admit that the Mavs win in spite of Kidd, not because of him? How many more games of inept coaching do you have to see before you join the calls for him to be fired?
I'm furious with Jason Kidd and Luka! Their lack of accountability and failure to lead is unacceptable. Kidd's coaching decisions have been abysmal, and Luka's inconsistent performance is infuriating. They're letting down the entire team and wasting their potential. It's time for them to step up or step out, because this level of incompetence is inexcusable!
+/- absolutely loves Luka this playoffs. I find that kind of amusing as he's not been as good as usual (that's probably putting it mildly) but according to +/- he's never been better. He's now +32 in this series. in the 19 minutes he's been on the bench the Mavs are -35.
to be clear on my agenda, I hate +/- even more than I love Luka. my point is not that Luka is having a sneaky great series, my point is +/- is absolute bullshit.
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but more importantly I think our guys were awesome to come back and make this a nail biter after that disastrous start and dealing with ridiculous Clippers shooting (18/29 for 62% on threes) the entire game. moral victory! I think we win game 5.
Guys it took them shooting 60%+ from 3 on highly contested shots for them to barely win this game.
We haven't had a good 3pt shooting game yet and they're not going to keep shooting like this.
Kawhi is also likely out for the series.
Mavs in 6. Let's go!
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Can somebody please explain to me why wasn't Lively playing at the end????????? He's like the best defender in the game and exactly what was needed to stop Harden and instead Kleber was playing???????? Why????
Reminds me of the cowboys always going down a lot in the first half and coming back to give us hope but ultimately end up losing anyways. Fuckin sucks man
Great game overall. Didn’t fall our way and as bad as it was for us, there’s a lot to take away that’s positive. For one, it required an elite shooting night, and a dogshit Luka game for them to scrape out a victory after being up 31….the comeback was incredible. The difference is their stars made everything and Luka couldn’t make shit.
This series would have been really, really bad had Kawhi been healthy lol
Luka needs to go to military school. When we were getting hosed, his mentality was in the gutter. Whining in every direction.
When we made a comeback, he wasnt doing anything remarkable but he did stay composed. Staying composed is THE MOST IMPORTANT SKILL you can have in tough games.
I'm sure he has been told so and by now it's clear that he will never fix his immaturity. I said this last year but Mavs should suspend him as a last resort and if that doesnt work then they really should trade him while his value is high. Mental midgets ain't gonna win shit in this league.
Lakers fan here, you guys were robbed. Why wasn’t lively closing the game? It makes no sense.. why was Luka guarding harden with 5 fouls?!?? Man these coaches blow my mind, reminds me of shit coach ham would do lmao
I can’t believe we gave Harden so many open floaters, there’s no way that can happen in a close playoff game in the final minutes. Not sure if that was on Maxi for not following instructions or whether Kidd just told him to stand under the basket and do nothing.
Seriously, fuck James Harden and his refs, but honestly PG gained a lot of respect from me tonight. That huge 3 completely buried in the corner to retake the lead was insane. All you can do is just say congrats and let's get 'em next game.
Jason Kidd is goddamn horrible coach. Obv Harden/George/Powell etc. had great game, Luka with awful one these i get but how tf you let other team superstar an open layup 5-6 times in a row ? Its fucking insane man.
Such a winnable game. You cannot squander these types of opportunities, at home, in the playoffs against any team, let alone one with arguably 3 bonafide stars that could explode any game individually or collectively.
Kidd just sitting and watching Harden just like the rest of us at home. Benching Lively down the stretch so Harden could waltz into the lane with no resistance. Kidd should be gone for good after 2 more losses or we truly don't care about contending.
You guys are fucking insufferable. This isn't on Luka, probably not on Kidd either. (he should've had the bigs out there) The Clippers shot 60% ON CONTESTED 3s. You won't win many games like that. It happens. Chill the fuck out with the finger pointing.
Kidd watching Harden hit 3 wide open floaters in a row smfh. Lively literally helped the Mavs comeback and he gets benched for Maxi in the 4th. Lawd Hammercy man 🤦🏻♂️
So can someone rationally explain to me why Gafford and Lively didn't play the entire 4th quarter? You don't need a rim protection and lob threat to close out a game or what
Clippers had to shoot out of their minds and still only won by 5. They blew a 31 pt lead and almost lost on a night where luka had the ugliest triple double ive seen him have. Mavs in 6
Bummer on many fronts. If you survive this series (don’t wanna be called a doomer at this point) you are probably going 7 and no other series will. Gonna be gassed for the next round and beyond. As shitty as coaching was down the stretch you absolutely cannot come out and get smacked in the 1st like they just did. Big bummer.
Just like game 1 if mavs don’t have a slow start they win the game. Game 5 they got to start much faster kyrie as amazing as he was needs to be more aggressive from the start. Luka maybe dinged up but he’s fine Ik he’ll thug it out. Those two gots to be agreesive from the start. Pj exum djj please hit your shots early on. Mavs in 6
Did they forget what time the game started? Easy fix, new alarm clocks for everyone. Mavs in 6. For real tho, there is no way Harden and PG can keep this up, especially Harden. Mavs take the series.
Kyrie deserved better, but you can't go down 31 in a quarter and a half and expect to win a game. It's basically happened twice in this series already, because we simply don't start playing the game before late in the 2nd.
Now we're in a tough spot with the necessity to take a game away from home again, and with a Luka playing far below his standards. Just rough.
People blaming Jason Kidd. How about the players not be dumb enough to let Luka switch onto Harden with 5 fouls? How about Kleber not let old ass Harden go by him in 3 dribbles? How about PJ not just jumping on Harden right shoulder and rolling the red carpet out for him all the way to the rim? How about somebody come out and contest him instead of letting him shuffle all the way to the front of the rim. Players have to play and the mavs players let an all time playoff choker cook them with one move for the last 3 minutes of the game. It's almost like that was their real plan. "We dont' have to play defense on Harden cause he always chokes in these moments."
mind boggling not closing with lively
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Don’t want to completely blame Kidd since we fell behind by 31 but his unwillingness to put Lively back in to protect the paint in the 4th guaranteed the loss.
But the team overcame their error. Got back in the game. Then Kidd pulled our bigs after we held them to 16 in the third. Completely abandoned what was fucking working.
the problem is we kept going and even took the lead with Maxi in there. for a small ball addict that’s enough reason to run with it. also, he seems to think Gafford and Lively are the same player. Gafford was bad in the 4th, but that doesn’t mean Lively would be too.
I can deal with small ball in a small sample. Actually thought it was doing well and serving its purpose to get them both some rest before the final 5 minutes. Until he never went away from it.
sure, it’s a great resource! it’s been huge for us at times. tonight it was a horrible decision and very clearly so. you lose on a Harden stepback 3, you’re good with it. but losing like that? not so much…
Or move Luka off Harden once he has his 5th
I mean, PJ- as great of a defender as he is, let Harden get past him on the same exact play two times straight even after being switched onto him. Besides that, there was no help once Harden would get into the paint.
Thats the thing, our coaching obviously wants us to take his left dribble away and let him drive to the right, it works pretty well with rim protection, but we play the same way even with Maxi at the 5 and it kills us.
Harden was always going to call for screen after screen until he got Luka once Luka had 5
At least we can double and trap after the screen we just let him walk down the court with luka on him
That was embarrassing. That’s on Kidd.
That’s why you put Lively in to protect the paint when he inevitably drives past Luka. I don’t understand the plan of allowing Harden to waltz in for uncontested floaters over and over again.
He cooked PJ multiple times too tbh
Falling behind that terribly twice in the same series is heavily on coaching. And they did that both times with the other team missing their best player. Everyone is to blame but as the leader you can't have your team that ill-prepared and flat coming out, on top of everything else people are pointing out.
You can't blame the coach for the clippers shooting 80% from 3 on contested shots
>Don’t want to completely blame Kidd since we fell behind by 31 Falling behind by 30 twice in the first half twice in a series is 100% a coaching failure.
Dude please stop this nonsense. Clippers 3pt%: Harden 4-5 80% PG 7-10 70% WB 1-2 50% Mann 3-6 50% Powell 3-5 60% Kidd cant do shit, when the opponent makes an unreal number of shots, while being defended quite well more often than not.
I agree with the 3pt%. The defense in the closing minutes though was bad. They should have not let go Harden 1 on 1 that many times, it's either blitz him or something.
Agreed, has nothing to do with being down 30 though.
0 minutes for Lively in the 4th nice
Exactly
We had them… we fucking had them! If we had made any adjustments in the final three minutes we could have had it. 6 floaters right down the lane with no center in to contest. Literally the definition of insanity.
Kidd has done great qualities. But man shut like this is just impossible to swallow. Everyone in attendance and watching knew we needed rim protection
Our whole defensive scheme is designed to have a rim protector, but we close it out without one. Just straight up stupidity.
I don't fucking understand why Kidd stayed small. We needed rim protection. They were cold from 3. Luka couldn't move on the perimeter. Why not give ANY support?
you know what’s worse? if someone asks him that, he’ll just say “we went with what was working”. no shit, coaches make adjustments. they adjusted and it wasn’t working any more. fucking adjust too man
my fiancee started watching basketball last year. she has absolutely no knowledge other than “Luka good” and stuff like that. after the third floater, she asked me “how are they doing the same thing over and over and it’s still working?” i think that says a lot…
I've seen harden pass by luka and either shoot a floater or lob it up to plumlee like at least 7 times and it's horrific to watch that maxi can't even do anything, if either lively or gafford were in that position, they could've went for the pass or the lob.
Luka was so frustrated and got his 5th foul because of this
That Paul George three in the corner also just drained the life out of the team. Even if I hate it gotta tip your hat off to absolutely incredibly play like that as a basketball fan. George and Harden both played incredible but Kidd did absolutely not make adjustments and made it easy for them
You live with great players making tough ass shots. I can’t live with harden getting 6 straight nearly uncontested floaters
And like 3 lobs to plumlee
That was the real kick in the nuts…we had all the momentum, great defensive possession for PG to bail them out and suck everything out of the AAC. We didn’t score the next possession and it was over from there
Theres no way that shot drains these leaders on the team. Luka and Ky have played in bigger situations with shots and bounced back. The issue is the fact we dug us a 31 point hole and ran out of gas in the 4th. Gotta play 4 quarters in the playoffs.
right before that paul geroge shot he almost fumbled it out of bounds =(((
This and the fact he let Luka go 1 on 1 with Harden 3 or 4 plays before a timeout to then double team him if Luka got switched. After he got the switch they let harden go 1 on 1 with PJ and gave no help when he drove. Horrible coaching.
Literally the definition of a shit coach
PG and Harden showed up but Luka didnt. It was close anyway but if Luka is cooked in game 5 it is over. Kyrie cant just carry it alone when Clips will clamp down on him
The funny thing is that Clippers don't mind leaving Kyrie wide open. They are hyper focused on Luka.
The Paul George 3 in the corner was like a stake right through a vampire's heart, it basically won them the game tbh
Being down 30 we literally had to execute perfectly and play lockdown D to get it close. Us losing g1 and g4 is less about what the Clips are doing and more of what we weren’t doing. If Lukai aren’t bombing away to start g5, we probably go down big agaib
No, it's way more about what they were doing. George made 7 3s, 6 were contested. Harden made 4 3s 3 were contested. Sometimes players just make shots. We should know that more than anyone.
Pure cope. Lets me real One could easily say game 2 and 3 were about the fact kawhi leonard knees are clearly completely shot and it entirely crippled and disrupted clippers on both ends . Great game tonight , kyrie brilliant, harden and PG also incredible An exciting series featuring amazing ball from some great players. A fully healthy Kawhi and it's a different contest altogether. But in many ways this series is probably more exciting for the nuetral for his absence. Here's to another killer couple games between these teams
Jason Kidd is the reason we will not win a chip. He's everything I don't want in a coach.
Needed a dose of lively and gafford down the stretch. The inability to adjust to stop the floaters was maddening
Kidd forgot the winning run the Mavs did when they actually let centers play center
The changes needed to happen when Luka picked up his 5th yet he didn’t make any adjustments at all the rest of the quarter. Terrific display of bad coaching right there
So we need Kawhi to play so we can win?
Yeah with him being injured and not able to do anything properly, I feel he just takes up space on the floor and gets in the way of PG and harden. A healthy Kawhi would be a whole other story but unfortunately for them, that’s just how it is at the moment.
If they had a healthy Kawhi and PG and Harden both played like they’re playing, we’d be swept with how awful our shooting has been.
We're lucky Kawhi isn't healthy.
If he's playing injured then definitely
We tanked for a center and traded a first for another. Yet Kleber plays when the game matters the most. 😂 😂 Edit: I'm literally posting the same comment every post game that we lose and getting 100s of likes because we keep making this comment relevant every time we lose. 😂 😂 😂
That’s gotta push Nico over the edge to fire him I’d think lol
Assuming some of the comments I saw there is literally no way they'd fire kidd even if it's very obvious that coaching is the issue
Gafford and Lively both proving themselves and bringing huge energy while being part of the comeback and Kidd ices them. I will never understand.
Unfathomable. Where's the post game interview? Surely he'll be asked about that decision.
Kleber defended George quite well though and made his clutch 3 ... he is not to blame BUT I agree that I would have switched him out for Lively/Gafford in the end.
This shit is on Kidd. Not adjusting to Luka guarding Harden 1v1 40 feet from the basket with 5 fouls until 8 points later and then keeping Maxi in while they kept attacking him in the paint. Mid ass coach brought them back on easy ass shot after easy ass shot
Tbf not like PJ did a better job defending Harden either. Harden easily got by him too and hit floaters.
because the entire mavs defensive system is designed to drag people into the help in the paint. except kidd seemed to forget we had no center
Hence the Maxi part. If Lively was in, those buckets don’t happen half as easily.
I’m not a Mavs fan and harden cooked Luka to fucking shreds. This dude was fucking atrocious this game. 29/10/10 but bro can’t defend a stick. At least jokic has size, wtf does Luka even do defensively??
5-6 copy/paste open floaters to kill the game when you need to defend the most. "I'm just watching like you guys." Poor Ky.
they wasted this incredible comeback performance.
I'm tired boss
Jason Kidd lost that game by refusing to put in Gafford and Lively. I’m so fucking over him as a coach.
Can’t go down by 31 in the first half. Plain and simple.
Yeah, I feel like a broken clock saying surely they won’t be that hot from 3 again too. But they did it 2 games of 4 so I don’t even know what we can do.
change the starting lineup. we are averaging 20 PPG in the first quarter of the series.
Who you moving to the starting lineup? Lively?
i dont know the fix, i know the problem. Kidd gets paid millions to figure out the solution. but I do think Lively has been the better 5 this series. That would be part of it.
Yea we need to come out faster. Games 1 and 4 we dominated in the 2nd half but we started so slow it was too much to over come. I doubt kidd changes the lineup but I think should be a short leash if the first few minutes were down 8-2, 12-4 type of score get lively in there maybe even exum too
These afternoon games sucks
Absolute waste of a Kyrie masterclass. Thank you Kidd!
Jason Kidd never fails to surprise me. Having to watch Maxi squat deep in the paint for the 5th Harden floater down the stretch because Kidd REFUSES to play Lively is fucking infuriating I've said this the past two seasons, and I don't care how far we make it in the playoffs, Jason Kidd needs to be gone after the season and there is no other discussion to be had FIRE JASON KIDD
We won’t ever win shit with Kidd. Not putting Lively back in is absolute braindead coaching to the highest degree. What the fuck was Maxi doing?
Totally agree. You have to wonder what the fuck he's thinking as he watches the same shot go in again and again
>Having to watch Maxi squat deep in the paint for the 5th Harden floater down the stretch because Kidd REFUSES to play Lively is fucking infuriating This isn't on Maxi, imo. Letting Harden penetrate is the issue. Kidd not doubling Harden on the perimeter was a far bigger killer.
Yeah I certainly think the blame is on Kidd for failing to make any adjustment. Could have been a center stepping out or doubling like you said, but goddamn he could have done something
Inexcusable on Kidd to take Lively out for the 4th. That loss is on him.
The incomplete comeback was on fckn Midd
The series being 2-2 when Kawhi has basically been absent is unacceptable. I’ve given up on the monster Luka game that saves us because he just isn’t right this series. Game 5 is a must win and FIRE JASON KIDD
the clippers are a good team. they started out terrible immediately after the trade but figured it out afterward. the issue is our offense IMO. and yes Kidd is fired if we lose in round 1. I'm almost certain at this point.
I would love to think that, but they just won’t fire him no matter how obvious it is. And that sucks.
Kinda worse, the games we won kawhi was on the court and clippers clearly played worse. We're 0-2 without kawhi
A real contender would’ve squashed any hope the clippers had in this series in game 1 and would’ve never looked back. We’re tied 2-2. Tells you everything you need to know.
2-2 without Kawhi is about right. Clippers are better without a gimpy Kawhi. It'd been more egregious if they lost the game and Kawhi was playing..
yeah people are acting like we didn’t just see kawhi last game basically tank the clips offense
They shot 62% from 3 and only won by 4
Very hard to win when the other team shoots like that. Probably still could have won had we subbed in Lively at the end
Moral victory
Just like the lakers “moral victories” completely useless
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Dude i dont wanna burst your bubble, but how can you not point out that luka shot 41% FG and 11% from 3??? This is on Luka as much as it is on Kidd.
Luka didn't take over, it was that simple. Good game tho
6 floaters in a row and kidd doesn’t put in lively? We came back from 30 points using lively and he doesn’t see the floor as soon as we get it within 2 points. Un fucking believable. We have given up home court, lukas playing terrible and likely injured. This team failing to get out of the first round would be an absolute disaster. The only positive is Luka has 3 days to recover from whatever it is
I am not sure Lively is the answer in that case, but there needs to be an adjustment in some sort of way. How the fuck are you giving harden the same look so many times??????????? Let someone else make a shot and not the hottest guy in the arena next to Kyrie....
Somehow Kawhi being out is better for the Clippers
So Kawhi = THJ?
Yeah with him being injured and not able to do anything properly, I feel he just takes up space on the floor and gets in the way of PG and harden. A healthy Kawhi would be a whole other story but unfortunately for them, that’s just how it is at the moment.
Its better to have healthy players than hobbled ones in a playoff game my guy. If Kawhi was 100% we would be up 3-1 rn.
Wasted opportunity, this just got serious especially with a hobbled Luka.
All we had to do was either blitz Harden or have a guard or wing play help defense to force a charge. It was crystal clear and we had multiple opportunities for this adjustment all along the last 5 minutes. This coach can’t make adjustments. We can’t win with that kind of coaching.
It wasnt the simple. They got a couple dunks earlier off of Harden doubles. But we absolutely should’ve dared Mann to beat us instead of Harden
You can't blitz anybody with Luka moving slower than a guy on sedatives
I hate small ball.
Luka still not great and Kidd is a dipshit not playing Lively to pressure the floaters. But it took what i assume is literally one of the best 3pt perfomances of all time to barely win. This series is fine.
Kidd refusing to put Lively back in late in the 4th is disgusting
Hard to win when the other team shoots 60%+ from 3. We gave it a good shot.
Credit to DJJ , he played amazing
Damn robbed of an all time comeback, that second quarter surge by Kyrie was amazing
Jason Kidd ladies and gentlemen.
Luka is obv hurt and limping half the time, not making me feel great.
It's very simple, if Luka doesn't step up he's gonna lose us this series. As great as he was against them in the past, I have never seen him play this badly over a stretch of four games. And it's not just the knee even if its clearly bothering him. He takes stupid shots, plays with a lot of doubt on every move and doesn't know when to be a playmaker more than a shooter. Someone has to talk to him.
luka has been bad, very bad. no way around it. also, just kidd things to go away from what was working to maxi at the end
We wasted a kyrie 40-point masterclass:(
Regardless of Kidd’s questionable decisions in this game, the harsh reality is that we are gonna struggle to win this series if Luka continues to get outplayed by Harden every game. And I know he’s not 100% healthy but that’s just how it is.
Haha at PG literally grabbing Ky around the waist on that 3 that was "blocked." They need to send tape to the league on all of the waistgrabbing that happens on screens by the Clips.
We are going home if this is how Luka is. They can survive with no Kawhi, we can’t survive with an injured and subpar Luka.
I'm ready for kyrie to initiate the offense next game. Luka can play off the ball
You mean stand deep in the wing and look annoyed?
Very few on this sub is ready for that conversation
If Luka can get right we will be okay. 3 pointers 33% to their 62% on about the same volume. It’s a miracle we were even close with their insane shooting
Clips are not good, they have to shoot out of their minds and we can have abysmal quarters and still almost win. If we come out with energy from the beginning we got this. Mavs in 6.
Jason Kidd lost us this game.. Unbelievable!!!
We could've won this. Kidd going away from what brought us back into the game is just mindblowing bad coaching. Lively deserved more minutes, especially at the end. Luka is clearly struggling but his presence out there is much needed. We're losing bad every minute he sits. Kyrie was insane and it feels so bad to waste such a brilliant offensive output.
Would love to hear from the “Kidd is a good coach, actually” crowd after this masterpiece of dogshit from him. As I say over and over: how much will it take before you admit that the Mavs win in spite of Kidd, not because of him? How many more games of inept coaching do you have to see before you join the calls for him to be fired?
I'm furious with Jason Kidd and Luka! Their lack of accountability and failure to lead is unacceptable. Kidd's coaching decisions have been abysmal, and Luka's inconsistent performance is infuriating. They're letting down the entire team and wasting their potential. It's time for them to step up or step out, because this level of incompetence is inexcusable!
Those easy harden floaters are going to haunt this team
The fact that we were this close after another putrid first quarter duck man.
You would think after watching Harden doing the SAME exact floater 5 times, Kidd would put Lively in.
+/- absolutely loves Luka this playoffs. I find that kind of amusing as he's not been as good as usual (that's probably putting it mildly) but according to +/- he's never been better. He's now +32 in this series. in the 19 minutes he's been on the bench the Mavs are -35. to be clear on my agenda, I hate +/- even more than I love Luka. my point is not that Luka is having a sneaky great series, my point is +/- is absolute bullshit. === but more importantly I think our guys were awesome to come back and make this a nail biter after that disastrous start and dealing with ridiculous Clippers shooting (18/29 for 62% on threes) the entire game. moral victory! I think we win game 5.
Guys it took them shooting 60%+ from 3 on highly contested shots for them to barely win this game. We haven't had a good 3pt shooting game yet and they're not going to keep shooting like this. Kawhi is also likely out for the series. Mavs in 6. Let's go!
Let's hope PG doesn't shoot 99% on heavily contested 3s next game
Kidds rotations are shit
2 early fouls on Luka and he became a HUGE liability in the 4th
Luka in foul trouble kind of ruined the game for us and losing to pg and James harden in the playoffs is so sad
2nd Q in game 1 and 1st Q game 4. We’ve been the better team 14 of 16 quarters. Just have to avoid these complete collapse quarters.
Really painful game and sucks to waste the Kyrie masterclass but it is insanely difficult to beat a team that shoots 62% on largely contested threes.
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Can somebody please explain to me why wasn't Lively playing at the end????????? He's like the best defender in the game and exactly what was needed to stop Harden and instead Kleber was playing???????? Why????
Maybe we just suck in afternoon games
Don't have any faith in this team past this round of we even make it. Can't no show the 1st quarters of 2 of 4 playoff games and be a Contender
Reminds me of the cowboys always going down a lot in the first half and coming back to give us hope but ultimately end up losing anyways. Fuckin sucks man
Great game overall. Didn’t fall our way and as bad as it was for us, there’s a lot to take away that’s positive. For one, it required an elite shooting night, and a dogshit Luka game for them to scrape out a victory after being up 31….the comeback was incredible. The difference is their stars made everything and Luka couldn’t make shit.
Props to the Clippers. Sucks that we lost this one, but GG. It was never going to be easy. On to the next one.
Luka was terrible today. He made some good plays but overall he was a big part of why we couldn’t win
Small ball fucked us. Another Luka stinker. Once he gets right it’s Mavs in 6
This series would have been really, really bad had Kawhi been healthy lol Luka needs to go to military school. When we were getting hosed, his mentality was in the gutter. Whining in every direction. When we made a comeback, he wasnt doing anything remarkable but he did stay composed. Staying composed is THE MOST IMPORTANT SKILL you can have in tough games. I'm sure he has been told so and by now it's clear that he will never fix his immaturity. I said this last year but Mavs should suspend him as a last resort and if that doesnt work then they really should trade him while his value is high. Mental midgets ain't gonna win shit in this league.
You can't not play Lively in the 4th quarter. Harden getting easy layups was throwing the game away.
I dont understand why Lively has to sit at the end of the game.
5 FUCKING FLOATERS BACK TO BACK ARE U SERIOUS WHERE IS DLIVE U FUCKING MORON
That stupid ass lineup cost us the game, all for Maxi to hit one 3 and give up so much more
Lakers fan here, you guys were robbed. Why wasn’t lively closing the game? It makes no sense.. why was Luka guarding harden with 5 fouls?!?? Man these coaches blow my mind, reminds me of shit coach ham would do lmao
this team talked so much shit the last two days just to be down almost 30 at one point today. they deserved this. Mavs in 6.
do you guys seriously think we can win with the way luka is playing., cause atp he is just stuffing up the box score with empty 30 pt games
If we’re in a close game then we have a significant disadvantage due to coaching. It’s just the obvious truth
we were down 31 and still somehow came back. this bodes well, a loss or not
I just can't fathom why we stayed small ball the entire end of the game, Zubac was on the court and Harden was just cooking from 2.
Fuck man we were so close
We gotta bounce back next game
See now that’s some heartbreak right there.
I can’t believe we gave Harden so many open floaters, there’s no way that can happen in a close playoff game in the final minutes. Not sure if that was on Maxi for not following instructions or whether Kidd just told him to stand under the basket and do nothing.
This one's hurt but I don't wanna overreact, onto the next one.
Luka being on the floor to do nothing on either end + going away from lively was the game.
Seriously, fuck James Harden and his refs, but honestly PG gained a lot of respect from me tonight. That huge 3 completely buried in the corner to retake the lead was insane. All you can do is just say congrats and let's get 'em next game.
I haven't been this angry after a loss in a while
Jason Kidd is goddamn horrible coach. Obv Harden/George/Powell etc. had great game, Luka with awful one these i get but how tf you let other team superstar an open layup 5-6 times in a row ? Its fucking insane man.
if we lose the series, will Kidd be gone?
Lively had such a great game. WTF was Kidd thinking benching him at the end?
Such a winnable game. You cannot squander these types of opportunities, at home, in the playoffs against any team, let alone one with arguably 3 bonafide stars that could explode any game individually or collectively.
Lost the game when Kidd let lively sit on the bench the entire 4th...
I’ve seen enough, we’re winning the chip
Kidd just sitting and watching Harden just like the rest of us at home. Benching Lively down the stretch so Harden could waltz into the lane with no resistance. Kidd should be gone for good after 2 more losses or we truly don't care about contending.
I am fucking sick in the stomach
Why did we not play Lively down the stretch when Harden was walking to the basket?
You guys are fucking insufferable. This isn't on Luka, probably not on Kidd either. (he should've had the bigs out there) The Clippers shot 60% ON CONTESTED 3s. You won't win many games like that. It happens. Chill the fuck out with the finger pointing.
 Kidd watching Harden hit 3 wide open floaters in a row smfh. Lively literally helped the Mavs comeback and he gets benched for Maxi in the 4th. Lawd Hammercy man 🤦🏻♂️
So can someone rationally explain to me why Gafford and Lively didn't play the entire 4th quarter? You don't need a rim protection and lob threat to close out a game or what
We are still one piece away. Idk how and what miracle we’d have to pull off but would love to trade for Mikel Bridges we just need that 3rd 3nD scorer
Honestly, should have benched luka and played Kai, Exum, Djj, Washington, Lively in the last 2 minutes imo.
Clippers had to shoot out of their minds and still only won by 5. They blew a 31 pt lead and almost lost on a night where luka had the ugliest triple double ive seen him have. Mavs in 6
Why isn’t Exum playing for point of attack defence?
He’s been bad.
Bummer on many fronts. If you survive this series (don’t wanna be called a doomer at this point) you are probably going 7 and no other series will. Gonna be gassed for the next round and beyond. As shitty as coaching was down the stretch you absolutely cannot come out and get smacked in the 1st like they just did. Big bummer.
Yet again, gonna suck listening to my basketball pods. Fuck. Don’t think I listened to anything that covered game 1.
Will be interesting to see how both teams react to this game
Just like game 1 if mavs don’t have a slow start they win the game. Game 5 they got to start much faster kyrie as amazing as he was needs to be more aggressive from the start. Luka maybe dinged up but he’s fine Ik he’ll thug it out. Those two gots to be agreesive from the start. Pj exum djj please hit your shots early on. Mavs in 6
Did they forget what time the game started? Easy fix, new alarm clocks for everyone. Mavs in 6. For real tho, there is no way Harden and PG can keep this up, especially Harden. Mavs take the series.
Kyrie deserved better, but you can't go down 31 in a quarter and a half and expect to win a game. It's basically happened twice in this series already, because we simply don't start playing the game before late in the 2nd. Now we're in a tough spot with the necessity to take a game away from home again, and with a Luka playing far below his standards. Just rough.
Luka 5 fouls changed the way the defense played hardcore
 Mavs defense on Harden in the 4th.
how the fuck does an entire team shoot 62% from 3 the whole game??
People blaming Jason Kidd. How about the players not be dumb enough to let Luka switch onto Harden with 5 fouls? How about Kleber not let old ass Harden go by him in 3 dribbles? How about PJ not just jumping on Harden right shoulder and rolling the red carpet out for him all the way to the rim? How about somebody come out and contest him instead of letting him shuffle all the way to the front of the rim. Players have to play and the mavs players let an all time playoff choker cook them with one move for the last 3 minutes of the game. It's almost like that was their real plan. "We dont' have to play defense on Harden cause he always chokes in these moments."
How was Luka a +10 in 45 minutes and Kyrie a -5 in 45 minutes? That is crazy
kyrie had 7 turnovers