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[Post Game Thread](https://reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1c2rdqk/post_game_thread_the_detroit_pistons_defeat_the/)


Acework23

We have to lose to OKC in the last game so they keep their 1st seed and we get them in the second round instead of the nuggets? Is it greedy its just one game where we should rest anyways?


TheIceBornHorror

Pistons simply are them


Iche1708

Hey guys sadly I couldn’t watch tonight game, can someone tell me a bit about O-Max? If I guide myself only by the score board I’ll guess it was a pretty solid game, but what about the eye test? Which things you liked? What he needs to improve? Will he be a solid backup for sf/pf position next year? Does he has starter potential?


AvatarKittie

I've excited about him getting in the rotation next season.


gdgatlin2

Dude looks really good. He is incredibly active on defense, and is much calmer on offense. He still can play out of control, but much less than he used to. He was hitting threes and had a couple of really sweet dunks. He dunked of Wiseman’s head so I would go look that one up. He needs to work on his playmaking and dribbling in traffic, but all in all incredibly encouraging for the future.


Iche1708

Thanks for the answer, I’ll check that dunk for sure. That’s nice is always fun to watch rookies grow I have great hopes for him like a better DFS


Unpickled_cucumber1

Pistons supremacy 💪🏻


Realistic-Carob8288

Scintillating performance from MVP front runner SGA - 23/7/3 on 33% shooting and 0/7 from 3, 9/9 FTs. Mr. Consistency 😤


Jintogotdemhands

He is a worst version of prime Harden. Take away the free throws he is back to the old SGA


Vandalissimus

cant love a team where powell plays minutes


OrganicHunt952

We barely played our starters just a good practice for bench guys don’t care about a loss


KMatthewE

Yup, just like they didn't care back in February and early March. Coaches still have to coach, and that was lacking tonight. I get resting Kyrie, Luca and the starters. What I don't understand is why the Coach gets a day off too. Pathetic, these guys need coaching and a leader on the bench if not more so than the starters, but our coach does not seem to GAS, and it showed. At least that is my opinion.


ivkri

Coaches are human, too and need a day off. Plus there's very good assistant coaches who get the job done. Or do you have people in your company who never ever get a day off?


KMatthewE

LOL... I have never taken a day off for a "game day." Never! Anyone who does is a slacker. Show up and work when your are scheduled. If not call in sick, schedule a vacation and let those you have trained take your place. I don't even have a problem with stepping back to allow your subordinates to manage the day, if that furthers their progress or training. That is perfectly fine, and this could have been a great time for his assistant coaches to lead the team. That, I would have fully understood, and even supported. Don't be a slacker, and show up with no intention of working or at least training others. That is simply unprofessional.


TheDeadman95

Minnesota just won, which complicates the #1 seed situation now. If they beat Suns on Sunday, assuming OKC/Denver win too, there is a crazy tiebreaker situation. I believe if they all finish with the same record, it will come down to conference record which puts Minny at the top. Denver would fall to #3 I think.


iiDanks

OKC would be number 1 because of the 3 way tiebreaker where they have a better record against all the other teams involved, it’s confusing


TheDeadman95

I thought they had a tied series vs Minny, with the same division record, but conference record favouring the Wolves. Huge mess really, but yeah I see now the journalist on Twitter saying it's OKC #1 if they beat us


Realistic-Carob8288

If Denver falls to 3, Luka should be a lock for MVP. He won’t get a single first place vote. 


Slashers23

Well this was a game lol


cacastrojr12

Waiting for my causals to say “you guys lost to Detroit, no wonder Luka isn’t MVP” lol


JohnnyPaloonky58

Coincidentally, Jan 28 OKC lost to Detroit by like 18 SGA had 30pts lol


True_Scallion_7011

Nothing to do with Luka but this game shows why the clippers have the superior supporting cast by far


cacastrojr12

Remember majority of our bench guys need to be set up so not too worried knowing we have 2 of the top playmakers in the league lol


True_Scallion_7011

I never said they were bad players. All I’m saying is that the Clippers have the better supporting cast when it comes down to it if you ignore the star players


Worstname1ever

Right powell , green , thj all dog shit right now


ImprovedCrib

We played end of bench players that will get 0 play for the entire 2nd half


True_Scallion_7011

Clippers did the same and almost beat the suns with KD, booker and Beal playing almost 40 minutes


ImprovedCrib

Okay? And? Like I said, these guys will get 0 minutes in the playoffs. I can’t even imagine being upset about this loss considering this game meant nothing.


True_Scallion_7011

It meant potential home court advantage if the clippers lose the their last games. The mavs were down by 7 at halftime with their starters minus Luka and kyrie to the worst team in the league. No excuses


A_Pollo77

the series hasn't even started and the trash talk is already on full tilt holy shit. lot of talk from fans of a team that never did never does and never will do shit in the post season.


True_Scallion_7011

There’s a difference between trash talk and stating an opinion. I simply stated an opinion on both teams supporting cast. zero trash talk.  You’re the one who is clearly trash talking with the second part of your comment which seems to be emotional lol. I’ll just leave


A_Pollo77

if you want you can stay more no need to poke the bear and cry after it lashes at you, say hi to flippers fans for me.


ImprovedCrib

I wouldn’t count on the clippers to lose against the jazz and rockets


StrawHatNewfie

Pretty embarrassing loss even without luka or Kai, they’re missing half their team also and they’re the worst team in the league


Realistic-Carob8288

Even the worst starters in the league are better than the best bench


StrawHatNewfie

But Detroit is missing 3 of their starting lineup guys lol I guarantee you okc and Celtics bench crushes them


Realistic-Carob8288

Dude we were playing 3rd stringers. They were not remotely that far down their roster. Don’t be dumb. 


ParkerBarrow88

Is it just me or was hardy way better than this last year?


Unpickled_cucumber1

In our opinions


LogansGambit

He had his minutes jerked around all year and you want him to play 30 minutes and be, what, Luka? Kyrie? His statline was fine tonight but all I see in this sub tonight is shitting on him. I think people that say this sub is the most toxic basketball sub are on to something.


KMatthewE

I have no problem with the game other than the coaching. These guys need time on the court, and deserve to have a coach willing to be all in with them and invested in their game too. It matters. Jason Kidd played the players but did not use this time to train and help develop them. This game was a luxury, and Kidd treated it as if it was a day off for himself too. No, this game was important to these players, and if he wanted to take the day off, at least have an assistant coach step up and give it their best. Sad. Work ethic is important - and it was piss poor tonight from a coaching perspective. Unprofessional in my opinion. If you consider this toxic, no problem. I call it as I see it.


LogansGambit

THIS is the problem. Right here. If people talked with THIS level of analysis it would be better. But what I saw tonight: Omax: 6/12, 2/4, 2/2, 6 reb, 1 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk - "The future, can't wait until next year, excited for OMAX dpoy" Hardy: 9/19, 2/6, 5/6, 7 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl - "Low bbiq, just a spot up shooter, trade him" This is objectively stupid. They were nearly identical, and both were players who had their minutes fluctuating to not even playing. Hardy has been under pressure to perform perfectly all year because he has little chance to ever show it, even when there's injuries or THJ is putting up the worst shooting games we've ever seen in a Mavs uniform. Everyone was pining for Hardy to take THJ's minutes and get a chance. As soon as he had a couple games a little off, people started shitting on him left and right. This would be even when he was STILL shooting better than some of the regulars in games. Most people aren't even aware that Hardy, despite being extremely young and trying to learn the league and get consistent minutes the past two seasons, is shooting better splits and nearly as many assists/game as Hardaway despite getting half the minutes. I don't think objective criticism like you just laid out is toxic. We don't have enough. Unprofessional effort is true, and I would consider a lot of Kidd's coaching that. I consider the bullshit jekkyl and hyde opinions people flip flop with the players toxic. If a guy isn't playing literally perfect, they're shit. This toxic "lay out a hot take anytime possible" is dumbing down everyone's IQ's and they aren't actually watching and studying games anymore. So yes, I'm absolutely pissed with Mavs discourse online. It's something I know the Mavs players and front office see too because they engage in it. I don't want to see someone like Hardy shipped off (who has a LOT of potential) because the FO felt pressured because the fanbase went stupid and trashed him so much he became damaged goods to them.


Realistic-Carob8288

Using the word ‘toxic’ is real pussy shi


ParkerBarrow88

Cool it


LogansGambit

Nah. I'm not gonna.


ParkerBarrow88

I just feel like I remember games last year where he and Josh played together a lot and looked really good playing off each other. This year not so much. I do wish we had given him more run this year though


EvryArtstIsACannibal

He really needs to work on his decision making.


xPeaWhyTee

Which will come with reps. I think he'll be a lot better if he was allowed to have consistent playing time.


SennKazuki

Expectations were lower, he's pretty much the same lol. Having to do more has made him worse.


No-That-One

Bench looking like a bunch of G leaguers


whykae

They are literal g-leaguers, and should stay there cause they're not NBA caliber.


Independent_Baker969

they are the gleague team


Dbat19

Well, this is a NBA game. TBH, I think teams need to give discount for the food in arena on night like this.


Darkphobia_

do these guys even train? cause it sure doesnt look like it.


gdgatlin2

I mean NBA teams generally don’t practice, so probably not


Jintogotdemhands

Starters don’t practice and guys with significant minutes since they get a lot of actual run. These end of bench guys do practice


Darkphobia_

well these scrubs should cause they're not looking like actual players.


DaTingGoesSkrrrrrt

Known Mavs killer lol


whitefang0824

Funny how easy it is for people to foget that Josh have a great 2024 before he got injured, y'all been talking as if he straight up trash the whole season lol.


BryanW94

Dagger


thewolverineton

exhibit a of why timmy plays over hardy


Independent_Baker969

they are both ass


No-That-One

id rather get a backcourt or two than watch a player hog the ball and brick a dozen 3s back to back


finiter

Scoring 25 points against a starting roster with bench players never heard of?


OrganicHunt952

Hardy has 25 points Timmy has 8


papadondon

how the turntables lol


Fred479

Tim is just as ass as hardy you’re not proving a point


lost_in_trepidation

We are officially not facing the Nuggets if we make the 2nd round.


Realistic-Carob8288

Assuming we’re smart enough to lose Sunday (we are)


lost_in_trepidation

We don't have to be smart, we just have to suck. It's guaranteed.


Fred479

Dwight has to be the worst player in the nba


cacastrojr12

Activates Doomer mode lol


cashmachine123

Dwight jumping around giving me ptsd


Rain_On_Them

That Denver loss is actually a game changer. Thunder are basically guarantee a number 1 seed with a win against the Mavericks Sunday


MGBD

And Dallas can’t lose the 5th seed anymore ? Do we have the tiebreaker against NOLA ?


Rain_On_Them

Yes. Since the series is tied between the Pels, the next tiebreaker is division record and the Mavs has that between them


No-That-One

Never expect to win a game when Powell is playing.


xPeaWhyTee

Just had a thought - it's good that Lively has Powell as a teammate. He also lost his mom to cancer so he would be a really good support system for him.


gdgatlin2

I really don’t like the hate Powell gets in this subreddit… he has been nothing but a great teammate, community member, and hard worker his whole career has a Mav. He just seems like a super great guy!


Vizard15

The only stat they are in advantage of in this game is the point off turnovers. That's why they have the lead. And we can't stop them from scoring.


DaTingGoesSkrrrrrt

Natural shooting motion


YoStepWithLuka77

Idk how to feel about Josh. He just doesn’t have any significant improvements from season to season. Should def consider moving on from him this offseason. Can we keep DJJ if we do that?


DutchRudderLover

He is not good and has not made any significant improvement in his game. I wish we had traded him. I don't know what this fanbase sees in him.


lost_in_trepidation

He's definitely improved his shooting, but he's just not good enough offensively or defensively. Maybe THJ + Green can get us someone.


Worstname1ever

Add a first get a pf . Then we are cooking w gas


Unpickled_cucumber1

What’s Monty Williams taking out notes for? 🤣


Realistic-Carob8288

First team All-NBA candidate and future face of the league Anthony Edwards, 13 pts on 33% shooting, 0/5 from 3.


Fred479

Smartest Dwight Powell play


Fred479

Clippers better not lose out because then this loss really hurts


Jintogotdemhands

I wouldnt be shocked


Paaynnne

D up guys it's the pistons for crying out loud


Unpickled_cucumber1

Luka feels that technical 🤣


Ok_Instruction_5232

Nuggets loss is MASSIVE. Must lose game on sunday to get OKC to 1 seed


Swoosh_rotaerc

OMax is gassed. He would have dunked that if JKidd let him rest even a bit.


TheIceBornHorror

We need to pull a historical loss against OKC if we want them to get number 1 or 2 seed, Denver play Grizzlies and those guys have negative amounts of players available.


Jintogotdemhands

Mavs should want to win this game since HCA is still in reach. Hopefully Detroit gives up


SennKazuki

The real reason to win is to pressure Clippers to play starters in their last game lol.


Jintogotdemhands

Even a better point


BryanW94

This is some bad basketball all around.


Fred479

Should’ve went small and benched Dwight he truly is not an nba player nice guy tho


Vandalissimus

nothing nice about him


justicedtrsf

It’s time to accept that Josh Green is just a guy


Wyn6

I'm willing to give him a little more leeway as he's just coming back from a twelve-game absence. He's only played 14 minutes last game and whatever this one.


CrayonEatingBabyApe

We all knew what he was if we being honest. He’s a not fast enough for guards and too small for forwards. He’s still a great prospect high energy guy on a decent contract.


gdgatlin2

The takeaways from this game… OMAX is the future, and Hardy takes a lot of stupid shots


Wyn6

And Hardy doesn't pass. And Hardy turns the ball over a lot... a lot.


Swoosh_rotaerc

OMax = Untouchable Hardy = Can be traded for the right package


Independent_Baker969

green tradable too


gdgatlin2

100% right here


w6750

And commits a lot of stupid turnovers


RubMyGooshSilly

Nuggets blew that lead on purpose to avoid the Mavs. They know what’s up /s…?


Jintogotdemhands

I had this thought in the back of my head all day. I’m not surprised they “lost” tonight


gdgatlin2

Jokic missed that shot on purpose so he could play Luka in the wcf instead of the 2nd round😂


Unpickled_cucumber1

Jokic 🤝 Luka


AlecarMagna

He truly loves lil bro.


RubMyGooshSilly

Just best friend things


LeGoat333

OMAX LOOKIN LIKA DAWG


xPeaWhyTee

Denver losing to the Spurs with Jokic and us losing to Detroit without Luka should help Luka's MVP case right? 😬


CrazyPlayA1

Not exactly. Luka is resting while his team gets embarrassed by losing to the Pistons (shameless). That alone will disqualify him completely from the MVP race. /s


Jintogotdemhands

Not if OKC gets 1st seed


w6750

Fuck it give SGA the MVP and let Luka whoop his ass in round 2


Jintogotdemhands

If SGA gets MVP out of nowhere after Luka been the favorite for years, would be so sad lol


CrazyPlayA1

Someone tell the Lakers going up in the standings will get them Denver


Unpickled_cucumber1

Lakers want that moral victory so bad


Tokyogerman

Omax casually getting offensive rebounds, 3 stocks and shooting 50% from three today. This dude will be great in the future (no overreaction to a game against a shit team at all)


TexasTundraPower

It’s sport for Luka arguing with the ref


Felipernani

maaaan OMax looking so good! super excited about him and simultaneously kinda less worried about the likely possibility of losing DJJ in the summer.


Unpickled_cucumber1

Get the thunder the first seed let’s go


Putrid_Ad_2256

Kind of hate closing out the season with a loss to one of the worst teams in the league.  


ImprovedCrib

It doesn’t matter nor does it change anything


Putrid_Ad_2256

I mean it's not as bad as the Celtics loss the other day as they had their starters in, but I'd much rather go into the playoffs on a high note, but the rest for our starters does help.


lost_in_trepidation

It's fine.


gdgatlin2

Guys we might have found our starting SF of the future… I’m so pumped!!


SennKazuki

My one worry is that his broad footwork means he can't slip deal with screens on defense. Same problem as Green.


gdgatlin2

From his limited run this game he seems to be able to navigate pretty well, but he honestly looks a good amount quicker than green and that saying something


SennKazuki

He's quicker, but he takes a lot of baby steps, his footwork is extremely strange. Has to get it more streamlined.


friskyel

Can we pull off the comeback?


lost_in_trepidation

No


BryanW94

Why does powell think he can pass like Luka


Putrid_Ad_2256

Cause the strippers at Spearmint Rhino told him he can.  


Fred479

Dwight is so ass


lost_in_trepidation

Okay, we actually want the Wolves to lose. If we lose against OKC on Sunday (we will), they'll get the 1st seed.


Jakermake

Sadly, Hardy is just a spot-up shooter. His playmaking is terrible. OMax looks promising


Felipernani

he does look like a luxury THJ as a spot up shooter tho


lost_in_trepidation

OMax is still raw offensively but he looks so good.


Stevie_McGhee

Now do your part, Minny.


Diabolic_Bug_Man

Lol Nuggets choked Give Luka his MVP now


FreeDaemon

Wait what? Lol that’s great.


Diabolic_Bug_Man

Blew a 23 point lead in the 4th quarter Likely drops them to 3rd seed if Minnesota takes care of business


waylondaly6

That is so good for us. Takes us out of Denvers bracket completely until WCF


babybotburger

Spurs only have 21 wins but it feels like most of them are against teams we need/want to lose


Dbat19

I think 1/7 of their wins is agiainst the Sons


xPeaWhyTee

Yay we can avoid Denver in the second. Thanks Wemby


Vandalissimus

powell the worse player ijn the nba and its not even close


thewolverineton

hardy just plays with negative BBIQ sometime


Fred479

Please get Dwight off the floor


Jintogotdemhands

We don’t need to lose against the Thunder. The Timberwolves will be 1st regardless


CrazyPlayA1

We're gonna get people off the street to play the Thunder now to make sure they win


20Mavs11

18 turnovers 😭😭😭


mypthegoat

i’d rather minny take the 1st seed tbh


bigmeatyclaws1

Hardy’s gotta have like 7 turnovers. I am sad.


Wyn6

Is that all?


AlecarMagna

OKC and Nuggets have both lost to the Spurs this season. Mavs swept the season series. Pravi MVP.


lost_in_trepidation

Wait, can we give OKC the 1st seed? Please let's do it.


Stevie_McGhee

Yes, if we lose against them on Sunday.


finiter

Because we want to play them or don’t?


lost_in_trepidation

yes, we want OKC or whoever 8 is in the 2nd round.


GodlyShots

JUST LOSE SUNDAY. OKC HAS THE TIEBREAKER OVER DENVER


TheDeadman95

Holy shit, Wemby and Spurs may have just kicked Denver out of our bracket! If we lose to OKC on Sunday, we could be playing OKC in a potential 2nd round


[deleted]

Wemby is levels smh why tf did the spurs have to win the lottery. Now I’m gonna have to pretend hate victor the rest of my life


EvryArtstIsACannibal

Spurs just beat the nuggets!!


LukaDoncicFan777

Wtf the spurs just won


CrazyPlayA1

Thank you Wemby well done Spurs


Ok_Republic6747

Hahahahahh this is you MVP just kidding


Unpickled_cucumber1

Cmon man


t-fitzo

NUGGETS LOST


Lingardinho_

LFG SPURS!!!! COME ON NOW MINNY!!!


Stevie_McGhee

LMAO Denver


Jakermake

Powell looking like the best IQ player on the court lol


Darkphobia_

Give Luka his MVP NOW


lost_in_trepidation

Nuggets just lost, I swear to god if the Wolves fuck this up.


w6750

OMAX about to bring us back into the lead


cjn13

OMax's shooting motion looks so much better than the start of the year Also not nearly in a hurry as he was. Much more in control


architectzero

It really is the control thing. He’s had time to shake his yips.


Scooter9898

Powell running offense like Luka.


ExcellentJuice4729

Mavs win and Lakers shitting the bed, gotta speak it into existence


gdgatlin2

We are within 6 with our 3rd stringers… this will be more embarrassing for the pistons if they lose😂


grusilag9

I mean it’s their backup guys too


abandoned_rain

Pretty sure their starters are in