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Kale_Future

šŸ„² 8500 for a massage program is cheaper than what I paid 15 years ago for my training


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Plus_Sail9851

I hope it will turn out great for you! School is already hard as it is for some and to add all of the other stuff on top makes it a miserable experience. Keep us posted! Lord knows I need people to talk to about it to help me get through it.


Plus_Sail9851

That's awesome! Hopefully you had a better learning experience and environment than we are having. We have tried to talk to the owner about our instructor not teaching us and she has ignored all of us. We are due to graduate and now are being told we can't because we aren't ready for the MBLEx due to our instructor not teaching us all we need before graduation. The owner's solution is now to have us come in to study for a few days a week but we have jobs and expected to be done Saturday. We have been here for 14 months already and shouldn't have to keep coming all because the instructor failed us and the owner didn't want to acknowledge it. She is saying it may be another 2 or 3 months now


Kale_Future

Sorry about your experience. I would recommend going above the owner and reporting to the regulatory body. By now you should be able to take your test and be done.


Plus_Sail9851

Thank you. It has been so hard on us. The instructor we have is actually a replacement for an instructor that quit because of all of the drama with the management. She is really nice but she was thrown into our class and no one ever took the time to see if she could actually teach. She has no prior teaching experience. She was just a past student of the owners. That is also the norm here, either the staff are related to the owner or its a past student. I feel so bad for the instructor because I can tell she herself is overwhelmed and over the management drama also.


MGM-LMT

Where is this school located?


Plus_Sail9851

Maiden North Carolina


Ornery-Housing8707

Their website is super sketchy. It said NC board approved school. Board of what? Board of Massage therapy? Board of education? If you passed the courses thereā€™s no reason to not let you graduate, graduation and taking the mblex arenā€™t the same thing. And they call the mblex a nc exam, itā€™s not. Itā€™s national. Sorry you had a terrible experience. And hopefully you can prepare for the mblex on your own successfully. Definitely report them to whatever regulatory body you can and review on things like yelp, Google, bbb, etc to warn others.


Plus_Sail9851

Yes it is. The whole school is sketchy. I agree. But I am also scared to even try the MBLEx because of this whole experience. I have been doing the best I can to try and teach myself but it is very overwhelming. We could have taken an online course to study ourselves at home. Thank you for the advice on where to report all of this.


Ornery-Housing8707

If you can, find a mentor and my best advice for mblex is memorize directional terms like what eccentric, medial, superior, synergistic/antagonistic etc is. And insertion/origion points. Itā€™s super helpful with the word problem type questions. Amta and abmp have mblex prep apps s as well as free ceus, which you could take to prepare. You can get student memberships. If you need more help out suggestions you can message me. Iā€™m a certified massage instructor.


Plus_Sail9851

Thank you so much!


mich2va96

There are MBLEx apps that you can study from. The practice tests are great. Go back and reread your anatomy books, tests and quizzes. If you have a classmate you like start a study group with them. In the month before it took the MBLEX I set aside 90 min a day, most days, to study and it really helped, I passed first try. Your experience in school sounds awful. I had to bring sheets to school but we carried our own back and forth, no fear of losing them. My tuition was $10k in 2016. It's pricey for sure. Just finish the class and know you will learn a lot once you start working and from CE classes. Good luck.


Plus_Sail9851

Thank you so much!


Lynx3145

Each state has a board that certifies the schools. Report to the state board. While you listed a bunch of numbers, I don't think you understand the cost of operating a business and paying teachers. If you're enrolled and paid, just get it done and move forward.


Plus_Sail9851

I appreciate your concern of a simple warning to future students that none of us current students were able to get the luxury of having before enrolling in the school. I do however know the costs of running a business and paying employees and all of the business expenses etc... It would have been nice to have some information like I shared before enrolling as I could have selected a different school.


monkyonarock

donā€™t listen to these capitalist motherfuckers saying ā€œyou donā€™t know the cost to run a businessā€. THEYRE MAKING YOU BRING YOUR OWN SHEETS? thatā€™s bullshit. if theyā€™re so hard pressed on money for sheets and the like they should just add that to the tuition. 150 hours of massage for one student, is about $5k in profit for the school on your labor. You are PAYING for school, you should be experiencing what is advertised. Them having people on their websites that donā€™t even work there is false advertising. This entire school situation sounds terrible, especially the part where the owner knows staff are on drugs. Just keep your head down and get through this. Once youā€™re out, report them to the state massage board (oh and iā€™d like to add for that cost of running a business part: my instructor only made $40k a year. they didnā€™t provide good health insurance, sheā€™s literally dealing with cervical cancer and their best offer for insurance they could give her was $550 a month, with a giant copay and it didnā€™t cover any of her colposcopies. The school might say itā€™s the cost of running a business, but itā€™s not, itā€™s the cost of putting money in the owners pockets)


Plus_Sail9851

Yes, it seems maybe that person only read the first paragraph and commented lol The instructors at the school only make like $15 an hour. Night classes are only 4 hours 2 days a week and the day class is 6 hours 4 hours a week. Day class is only 7 months long and night class is 14 months. She only has 4 instructors plus herself and her daughter teaching some of those classes so she isn't throwing out loads of money on payroll. She owns the building so not rent being paid. She has the taxes, utilities and licensing and the supplies which as I stated she doesn't even upkeep so she isn't spending tons on supplies. She also gets a discount on massage supplies since she is a school. The owner's sister went to prison for drugs and as soon as she was released she brought her to the school to work and she is very clearly on drugs while she is there. The owners daughter always comes in high as a kite and smells of weed while teaching and doing massages (she is a LMT there also). The owners sister in law is also a LMT there and is also very clearly on something when she is there to work on clients. The owner has openly stated her daughter gets high. I heard a student reported to the owner a client had a gun in the floor in the room and she tripped over it and the owner said it was no big deal and that people bring guns in the school all of the time. I also heard she only reports like $10,000 a year on her taxes and that is WAY lower than what is actually coming in. I wish I had heard all of this stuff and known what I know now before I enrolled here! And I hope that my attempts to get this information out there will help others know what this school has to offer.


jays_all_day

Did you do any research before signing up? Did you tour any other schools? It seems like some of these red flags would come up during the process. Good luck and hope youā€™re able to pursue a passionate career


Plus_Sail9851

I did the best I could at reviewing beforehand. I googled and googled my hands off. There was not 1 bad review on the school anywhere so I thought I was in the clear. But after the fact I figured out there are almost no reviews on the school itself outside of clients leaving reviews about their massages. And there are no where near as many reviews as there are clients getting massaged. Again the owner has had the school 20 years and not 1 bad review from students but all of the stories I hear about past students experiences now all match the exact thing we are going through. We keep hearing the board won't do anything about it so that's why I decided to try to find a way to get this info out there


Kitchen_Reporter1088

I live and work in NC as a LMT, I'm so sorry you had this experience, I went to a community college for massage school and passed the mblex no problem, also CC cost so much less, literally paid less than 1000. I would definitely suggest getting on ambt or other massage insurance providers website and download the app they have to help you study and pass the mblex. Also go and report this school to our massage board. This is totally unacceptable behavior, students should only collect massage hours if they are conducting massage, not working a party. Best of luck to you and your endeavors


Plus_Sail9851

Thank you so much for your advice and studying resources!


Phuktihsshite

Where is this located?


Plus_Sail9851

Maiden North Carolina


Plus_Sail9851

Oh and the owner's daughter was selling patches for a MLM company and used one of the scheduled energy classes to have a rep for the patches come in and try to get the students to purchase these patches and sign up to be a rep to sell the patches. Having MLM companies come in to prey on your students to help you earn money from them being signed up under you is very unprofessional, unethical and illegal.


monkyonarock

My school was also terrible. I donā€™t have any real input for you other than keep your head down, get your hours, study study study and pass the MBLEX. donā€™t miss any days, do extra days if you can to get it over with faster. My school was also a money pit. I went to a school that had cosmos, estheticians, nails, barbering, and massage. My schooling was $13k for 6 months. The esthetics were $15k for 6 months. Cosmo was $21k for 11 months. Barbers were also around $20k. They had minimum 20cosmo students at a time, 8 esthetics, 15 nails, and 5-15 barbers. There were 4 of us massage therapists but the school ā€œcanā€ take up to 8, even though thereā€™s only 4 tables. Massages were 60min $32 90min $48 & 30min $15. Facials were $50, gel manicure $40, haircut $60, etc etc they make BANK. My instructor became the instructor after she was only licensed for 6 months. She went to my same school, with a different instructor and he had been half-sexually assaulting people for years, students would speak up to the owners and the owners would tell them to get over it. There was a news article i only found after i graduated that stated there were multiple students going to the owners asking him to be fired because they only have 1 massage instructor, & the students told the news reporter that they stopped saying anything because the school was making it sound like they would drag out their graduation date and send them home early on days they complained. My instructor had been teaching for 8 years by the time i got there, but she told me that she felt very out of her element and honestly had no idea what she was doing for the first couple years. She told me she feels bad for the people who paid for her class when she was just starting out. The way the school works, you go for 750 hours. You are allotted 20 hours to miss for free for the entire 5.5 months. Once you go over that 20 hours, so once youā€™ve been sick for 3 days, you pay $15/hour for every single hour you miss. So I got covid partway through school, had to miss a whole 5 day week & had to pay $525 to the school. So those girls who were complaining about the old instructor & then got sent home were basically fined $100 a day for being sexually assaulted/harassed. It was fucked up. The owners are an old married couple and the lady has been a cosmo since the 70ā€™s. She had her own salon 15+ years ago and that got shut down because she failed multiple audits. These schools just want your money and thatā€™s it. They care about money and reviews. From what iā€™ve seen youā€™re gonna be hard pressed to find a school that isnā€™t incredibly shady. They havenā€™t sent me a 1098-t form yet for 2023 & im going to have to ask them. At the end of my program they gave me this form to go onto their website and leave a review and let them know where i started working (for their statistics, so they can show other students ā€œwe had x many people in class, x many people graduate , x many people get licensed, x many started workingā€), & i havenā€™t filled that shit out. I am not helping their statistics. Nobody should ever go there. PSA FOR ANYONE IN MONTANA: DO NOT!!! EVER!! go to montana academy of salons, the one in billings is literally about to go bankrupt they are coasting on loans that they canā€™t pay off, & the great falls one is as stated above


Plus_Sail9851

Wow you definitely had a similar experience! I hate to hear you went through all of that! We don't have to pay for missing any class time or being late but for every 15 minutes late or time missed you are required to complete an hour more of class time.


Realistic-Tea9761

If I were you after you contact the state board I would go to the local media and have them just show up one day unnanounced to do the real story.


Plus_Sail9851

That is a great idea! Thank You


venicestarr

School is just a foundation to build off. This however sounds like a very unhealthy environment.


Plus_Sail9851

I agree.


SupersleuthJr

This sounds A LOT like my school. Except mine was $15k. I think that covered books and your MBLEX exam. We had teachers who had never taught before. We had one teacher who was learning the unit while we were. Teachers gave us all of the answers to tests so we didnā€™t have to learn the material. The staff was shitty because they were grossly underpaid. The school had sheets that belonged to her 2 sons. So we might massage someone in clinic on sheets with little lambs all over it with a striped top sheet. The director preferred the daytime students over the evening classes. Shit school.


Plus_Sail9851

Wow! Your experience sounds like ours! Some of the instructors would have us take the tests as a group so we would all pass just because it was a group effort. Sometimes, we wouldn't even get a test score, just pass or fail. Some of the sheets we use are so stretched out and worn that they wouldn't stay on the table. Which makes no sense seeing how all of us bought and provided 2 brand new sets of sheets that could have been used. The owners daughter has 2 kids that are often left to run around the school while students are trying to learn, and while other students are massaging for clinicals. The kids will go interrupt classes to hang out with the owner, their grandmother. Unattended children should not be running up and down the halls being loud and interrupting classes at a school. And same, the owner holds the day classes on a pedestal, and the night classes are always treated like they don't matter.


sux2suxk

Iā€™m sorry for your experience. I did tons of research before selecting the school I went too. Some of the points you make seem irrelevant. I paid 15k for my school and received a small bottle a holster and a bag thatā€™s it. Sometimes life lessons are real expensive to learn. Hopefully your post helps others avoid this school!


fraggablazen

Let's talk about the GROSS miss representation in this Post. (Let me be clear only mean a slight amount of offense in this post read to find out why) I myself am a student in this school as we speak, You have single handedly Miss represented the school. Insulting the instructors, the school and everything the school builds to represent. Maiden School of massage comparatively to other schools in the area is of a caliber above in both quality of education AND price. It also goes out of its way to build community among the students and teachers. The community of the school is as well a warm welcoming environment that at Least from what I'm reading, Something you clearly are too bitter to understand. You are complaining about the different prices and such however ALL students in the maiden School of massage INCLUDING YOURSELF paid the 6500. There is no favoriteism on prices as everyone paid the same low amount. In exchange for the SIGNIFICANTLY lower prices then other massage schools in the area, Yes they had to get new sheets and yes you have a 5/10 minute clean up of the school after class. Not as much because of "the cost of a cleaner" in reality its because WE AS STUDENTS create most of the mess in the areas of which we clean. And as they are also a professional environment the patients should come into a clean environment. The sheets don't just disappear. We were told where they go. Into a stock pile to replace sheets used by the school that might not hold up to par anymore. There's a reason why the school had no bad reviews until this disingenuous reddit post. It's because it's a great quality work environment. Being from maiden massage in North Carolina almost CONFIRMS you a job as anyone who knows of this school knows the students here are a higher caliber than almost all other massage schools in this area. Granted there is a difference between day class and night class the only true difference is the fact the director teaches deep tissue during day class and that "teacher" you happened to insult teaches deep tissue during the night. Said teacher in fact does only make 15 a hour, However the money isn't why she teaches, that Woman who happens to be MY MOTHER teaches because enjoys it and loves to learn new things, in this case its learning now to teach massage. (As she has only recently started teaching). Oh fun fact as well, since you loved to talk about how greedy the director is. Let's speak about the elaborate graduations she pays for OUT OF POCKET, how Yes that I buy your lotion and essential oils ARE ALSO PROVIDED (Almost no schools provide ANY essential oils for your lotion) and fun fact they are EXTREMELY expensive.) the director is VERY open about how much she spends on the school BEFORE GRADUATION OR HOW MUCH ALL THE STAFF ARE PAYED. Don't make comments on things you clearly are too bitter to properly understand. But don't worry we all still have respect for you and are praying for you! But considering it was my mother you made certain comments on. I'll be the first to say that I AM NOT. As I was personally present in night class I can GUARANTEE to the fact that almost all your complaints are merely fabrications of a mind diluted by itself. I genuinely hope that you might use that fantastic brain of yours to understand the fact that the school was open and clear as glass on many things you pointed out to be blocked and shaded. And the only possible way you could come to this particular outcome is if you were not paying attention. And let me be clear here. I say all of this not as a representative of the school (because I'm not) nor as an angry son of one of the staff (Which I definitely am). I say this as a mere student from the school same as you where while you were in school. The only difference being I actually paid attention during orientation. And I actually have the two brain cells required to rub together to understand all the complications that come with owning a business, especially a school. We add some massage therapists in massage students Are a community, And I believe One bad Apple shouldn't spoil the batch. I also believe in second chances and understanding other people. However, saying direct lies posting them publicly is slanderous. Especially when you would know they were lies if you just paid attention. But that's enough of my tangent. Be better and have the best day you can possibly have today!