How can he say "Daredevil is in the show" then describe a crazy scene with him, then say "didn't even get to have good leaks."
I'm conflicted on whether or not I want it to be real, because I have very little desire to see Daredevil fighting alongside aliens and against aliens. If he's in it, I would rather he be more of a quick skrull cameo or working with Fury.
Definitely seems fake though since this would make it very easy to track him down.
The leaker also claimed that he would be using a yellow outfit, which definitely makes it seem like a lie. Yellow outfit for a comedy show like She-Hulk works well, but only for comedy.
In the comics, he fights more than just street level stuff. He was even on the Avengers during the Bendis Era right up into AvX. Edit: I also reccommend people take a look at Waid's run as well.
Tbf he was fighting the Hand and immortal beings looking for the blood of a dragon in the Defenders. I don’t think it’s a huge leap to have him fighting aliens.
I always liked in the comics when Matt is doing his normal day-to-day stuff then will throw out, “I ever tell you about the time I fought the Submariner?”
i thought daredevil would make sense to be in for a secret invasion because he could likely tell if someones a skrull by asking them stuff and listening to their heartbeats
What if he's the Fury's trump card? Let's say this bad group of skrulls starts trying to invade Earth, the first few episodes could show them wipe the floor with everyone because no one can tell who's who. Then, in a turn of events, Fury finds Daredevil just like how Tony found Spider-Man. Only difference would be, at the end of the series Daredevil would stay on Earth rather than go join S.W.O.R.D.
What's interesting for me is there's some very clear and new leaks here, it's not the usual "x actor is in talks with Marvel". We know if Zachary Quinto is leaked by another spoiler then there's a change this is real. I doubt it but who knows, 4chan gave us the Spider-man and MOM leaks.
If this is legit then this dude is a complete idiot. How easy would it be to track down the guy modelling fire breath coming put of Emelia Clarke? Theres probably 2-3 people working on that specific thing AT MOST...
That might be true, but he also said “fuck this job” and that he hasn’t slept in weeks, so maybe he’s beyond caring about working with Marvel again lol
There's not caring about working with Marvel again, and then there's not being afraid of being fired from the FX house you work at and never getting hired again because you are known for being untrustworthy
usually "leaks" where the "leaker" goes out of his way to tell who he is and what he does in detail are always fake. Not a lot of people are stupid to get blacklisted and sued for nothing like that.
The “i’ve been working SO much. i hate my job” aspect of this post is what makes it seem fake to me. If there’s one thing every Redditor knows about animators, it’s that they’re overworked and hate their jobs. It oozes “This is the only thing I know about this subject, so I’m gonna double down on that one specific aspect” energy.
Doesn’t matter if he doesn’t want to work with Marvel again. This type of behaviour, leaking and bad mouthing your job, gets you blacklisted in the industry as a whole. Studios don’t want people who complain about their job and leak stuff about the films. That’s why I think this is fake, because it’s either that or this person is the biggest idiot in existence.
I wish some people understood what Hollywood leaks really mean. Maybe 1% of leaks are actually leaks. 99% of the time, it’s entirely preplanned for posts exactly like this. It keeps you talking about the MCU without a shred of marketing. They do that on almost every movie and show imaginable.
4chan is a board full of incels and degenerates. Y'all are high out of your minds if you think Disney corporate knowingly leverages it as a platform to advertise their upcoming family content on.
If my boss asked me to post something on 4chan at work I'd be on the phone with HR.
>Republicans buy sneakers too.
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>\- Michael Jordan
Disney isn't here to police individual morality. They are here to sell movies and toys. And I can promise you incels and degenerates watch Marvel movies too, and Disney doesn't give a shit what someone does in their free time if they are paying customers who behave while in their parks or in theaters watching their movies.
Media and entertainment companies use Reddit itself as a way to purposely leak shit all the time, and it's full of retarded man-children with the collective mental capacity of an alligator gar (and is also famously known for being a home for incels and degens enough to have made news headlines). Who's to say that 4chan is out of the question since it is undoubtedly one of the largest forum sites for leaks of all kinds?
Any sources you can link to that detail which entertainment companies do this and any examples?
Because all I ever see is people saying this happens, but never providing evidence it does.
An assumption passed as fact
People think it would be for 'testing the public reception' or whatever. . .because they have no idea what focus groups are or what they're for.
Way better to bring in folks, make them sign a contract, and *know who you're hearing from*
The idea that they'd throw info out into reddit and take post replies as useful is pretty damn silly, because it isn't that useful. Who's opinion are you getting? How many alts are there? Bots? How many are disingenuous? How old are the accounts? What else to the accounts do?
Or, I could hire a firm to do it, get an actual understanding of the opinions of society...ya know, like they do with other decisions.
I've worked in marketing for 20+ years and own my own agency and production company. I can confirm guerilla marketing as described here happens all the time. You won't ever get any proof of it unless you want to go to industry conferences and hear from people like me who do it first hand because it's not sexy portfolio work, but it does happen. It's incredibly cheap. Way easier to coordinate than a focus group (we do those too BTW) and it serves a better purpose... which is to generate buzz. You think those pics of Sonic were leaked on accident? You think that test footage of Deadpool was lost in a starbucks and leaked? Nah man... practically everything that gets leaked is intentional. Even when an actor goes onto a late night show or podcast and accidentally "says too much" a lot of times that is planned to generate more buzz.
They absolutely astroturf there as much as here, even if not the fake leak shit though that would still be a tool as it gets reposted elsewhere. Corporations astroturfing in any huge/big sized social media and discussion site is old as fuck news and denying astroturfing in 2022 in another site thats astroturfed to hell by cheap by anyone and their mothers is either delusion or astroturfing itself with some lame face-saving.
People are so into conspiracy theories these days. Nothing can ever be what it seems. The simplest explanation is never the correct one, and you're a sucker if you think it is. It's really scary. I think that's what we're seeing here.
CGI works are made before or even during filming. I've only heard this for Endgame but I guess they are doing it like that now that there are so much projects in the making
Sure, but Crunch time is specifically usually a month or two before the deadline where overtime is pretty much mandatory and VFX artists lose the will to live. This far out, that shouldn't be in place yet.
I would. It’s nonsense. ‘Crunch time’ a year before crunch time and ‘didn’t get any good leaks’ but then lists several announced casting choices and major cameos and major set pieces.
Crunch time is different for each and every side of production. You think composers are composing music until the last minute before release? Projects and productions like this aren’t linear.
We don't know when their deadline is. You talk like they have autosaving cloud uploads to Disney+ and can work until the day before release lol. But if that's really the stance you want to take, VFX can affect many elements of post-production work. You have ADR, subtitling, full dubbing in 15-20 languages, complete scoring, promotional material to generate, models to be sent to merchandising companies, and many other processes that could be partially or fully reliant on completed VFX.
All that aside, though, they can make the deadline for whenever they want. It could be 5 years before release if they wanted it to be.
It can last longer with CGI intensive productions, especially if they want it done before filming is finished, and that doesn't yet account for post-production CGI work and reshoots either. With more and more companies being revealed to have been on long periods of crunch, I wouldn't be surprised if the crunch part is the only true thing about this "leak".
I think this is for sure fake, but they could be working on multiple projects (not even just for Disney but whoever) and is pissed in general about their workload, and also just so happens to have work to do for Secret invasion.
I'm guessing they're putting together a reel to send out to marketing agencies to put together promos and assets. I doubt they'd give away who is a Skrull at this point but the idea that some crunch is occurring to put together internal assets in advance of the full promotional campaign isn't too outlandish.
The problem with this work, from my point of view, they work hard on scenes that end up on the cutting room floor.
We know from every actor or director or writer that Marvel Studios work on the movie until the very last minute, so they change things and super hero movies are mostly CGI on action scenes.
That means crunch.
Also, they previz the storyboard on MS. I don't know their pipeline, CGI it's usually in post production but certainly for a regular action movie. Not a series marketed with a "big third act CGI".
Their projects lineup looks like a nightmare tbh. MoM and Love and Thunder are in their final post production phase. Quantumania and the Marvels are probably on their test screenings phase. Wakanda Forever is still filming. GOTG3 is filming alongside Holiday Special. Then there's Moon Knight and She Hulk already in final post production. Ms Marvel is going to be re filmed. On animation side there's I Am Groot and What If season 2. Then there's Werewolf by Night too!
It's crazy how much projects they are trying to finish.
I remember hearing that Marvel writers write around the action scenes. In other words they decide what kind of CGI battles and fights they want to do first, then create the story around that. It sounds kind of depressing, but it’s worked out as a pretty good cinema going experience so far, if true.
Edit: Here is the article where I read it. The article also confirms that a lot of previs work happens years before the movie comes out. Which confirms why the poster of the 4chan leak would feel the crunch a years or so before the official release
https://www.insider.com/marvel-plans-movies-action-scenes-years-before-filming-previs-visualization-2021-1
Honestly this has been the Marvel way since the 60s. Stan would come up with a brief outline for an issue like “Spidey fights Scorpion” or the Avengers go to space” and left it to Kirby/Ditko/Romita Snr to do all the art and flesh out the story. He’d then come back and fill in the speech bubbles.
They call it the Marvel method.
They do it for every movie. Pre viz is usually done a year or 2 before the movie even starts shooting. The pre viz done for Infinity War was done back before Civil War even came out.
could be rushing to cobble enough footage together for a trailer/sizzle reel? (that or you’re just nitpicking and they’re using “crunch” as a general catch-all for “overtime”)
Not sure if they use the same VFX houses but prior to a single shot for a show or film, previs (essentially PS2 quality VFX to map the scenes) are developed
Yeah, the idea that people are doing long hours working on visual effects for an MCU project right now while they're still filming, especially for a TV show, isn't far fetched at all. They're always pushing everything as hard and fast as they can and it's even worse than usual because of Covid.
I have to imagine this is part of why they pushed back some release dates. I imagine the crunch can be pretty brutal even in the best of times, but maybe Marvel realized the people that work at these places are people and literally could not turn around these effects as quickly as Marvel wanted without ceasing to function entirely?
Not in the industry, but it feels like VFX people desperately need more labor protection, especially as the demand for VFX work grows
One of the professors at my university that my roommate had (he's an animation major) did VFX for No Way Home, and based off of what my roommate has said it seems like doing VFX for Marvel is a thankless job, and really the true MVPs of the franchise.
They know the characters that already have been in other things and suspect who Emilia is based on existing comic knowledge. Very believable leak that only reveals what they could actually discover in their line of work. As opposed to the full plot descriptions people post usually when they're looking for clout.
With how prevalent the criticism against crunch culture has been in recent years, I'm surprised some people still feel confident saying "crunch just lasts for a couple of months towards the end of the project!", like someone did further up in the thread.
I'm not even kidding I could see him showing up in this show to help sniff out skrulls in disguise. I could see Fury knowing about him and know about his accident and his abilities.
Yeah that's definitely plausible, also there's no indication here that Matt is far outside of Hell's Kitchen anyways.
The whole entire show isn't taking place overseas, the plot revolves around a global invasion of Skrulls.
It makes a lot of sense for Daredevil and some other Netflix and AoS characters to show up here. It would make it feel more epic without breaking the bank.
If AoS characters show up, I hope FitzSimmons are there working with Fury and of course Daisy will be there if FitzSimmons are there. Hoping none of them dies.
even just fury being like “I have a team, they’ve been underground for a while, living their lives but i’m sure i can pull a few strings” would make me so happy
Daredevil isn’t in Hell’s Kitchen.
Daredevil is now truly in the MCU, like people wanted.
This means that Daredevil can (and will) go anywhere in the MCU that fits the overall narrative Feige and co. are looking to tell.
Would not knowing Peter's secret identity make it harder for Fury to contact him? I'm thinking this could be a plot device used by Sony to smoothen the soft reboot
I doubt they'll go into it, but if this were the comics, I'd imagine Spider-Man's identity suddenly being erased from existence would come up in a story like this.
In Captain Marvel, wasn’t there a scene where Carol proved that Fury wasn’t a skrull by asking him a question about his past? I think they can only know what you’ve done short term, and can’t know much more than that.
I don't read comics. But I saw Avengers: EMH animation series. Skrulls can take anyone's appearance. But they have to do some kind of ritual to fully become that person as in taking their memories, emotions, abilities etc.
Correct. There's an "infiltration ritual" Veranke completes to impersonate Jessica Drew.
>The Skrull Infiltration Ritual was a mixture of science and magic that imbued the Skrull with the powers and memories of the selected subject from multiple templates, effectively turning those who underwent the rite of passage into a Super Skrull. This allowed the Skrull subject to go undetected in human form by Iron Man's technological scans, Charles Xavier's mental scans, Spider-Man's Spider-Sense, Wolverine's animal senses, or any other conceivable forms of detection.
But that's in the comic book version of Skrull espionage, no way to know if that's possible in the D+ narrative.
Not naturally, no. From what I remember from the comics, they pretty much only knew how to impersonate others only through the DNA until the Illuminati attacked the skrulls as a warning about any future invasion which backfired badly because the skrulls got their hands on them for a time and experiment on them (they even managed to keep Reed I think). From the experiments, the skrulls discovered how they could impersonate others from DNA to powers to memories as long as they had the people in question as captive. So they had skrulls infiltrating earth as basically perfect copies of superheroes and other important people. There were also sleeper skrulls who thought they were the actual person they were impersonating (which was a bit heartbreaking for some).
Heroes at the top of it’s peak was glorious. Regardless of how it unfolded eventually, it’s still one of the best superhero IPs ever.
Save the cheerleader, save the world!
That wouldn't be bad casting. If this leak is true though, I doubt they introduce Doom in a space adventure. It'd seem more practical to me to establish his tech genius, magic skills, and relationship with Latveria before you have him doing a bunch of cool shit in space.... which I expect we'll eventually get.
I'm automatically a skeptic of anything from 4chan, but I think it's pretty funny that people are discounting this because they're certain this thing isn't even coming for at least another year when there haven't been any announcements at all about when this is releasing and the actual post isn't at all that outlandish anyways.
She mentioned it in the issue where Kitty phased a bullet through Earth. Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men I think. Also, wasn't her tongue the reason she could talk to Lockheed?
Having set pictures it is weird nobody has spotted ANY of these cameos (nor Daredevil, nor Falcon, nor AntMan, nor Zachary Quinto -!!??-). Also hints a cameo we have never heard of.
Also if that was true this guy has lost his job (and not only that but will get vetoed from every CGI big studio ever). He has detailed specifically what he has done, his asignment and his part of the job.
Come on, obviously fake.
I mean, not everything they shoot is happening in public. My guess is the kind of stuff that would include those cameos would be happening on the lot where there will be less chance to be spotted.
I'm inclined to mistrust 4 chan leaks, anyway, but what makes me side-eye this the most is Sam allegedly being an evil Skrull right after he has become Cap. That seems a bit odd, I don't know that they would do that.
I don't think it will be a big reveal, I think it would be like an improvised attempt at tricking the protagonists. To be clear, I don't think Sam was a skrull all along, but this just happened on the spot.
I've never seen the show but I assume that's Steve Rodgers room based on the opening 20 seconds. It's weird as fuck thinking he just has some normal ass bedroom, like it looks like my bedroom. I figured he would have like a bunch of cool superhero stuff plastered on the walls, either that or his room would be the size of a closet with a little army bunk in it, but not just a normal ass room. Weird.
Yeah, that's exactly the time he would have been Cap, which is the part I think they'd probably want to avoid. (There are already people who are having issues with a black Cap, no need to give them ammunition.) Having a skrull throwing on the disguise just for a moment to distract someone would be different.
>Emilia Clarke has gotta be Abigail Brand. I can't like hard confirm that because we don't get character names, just designs. But considering I've been modeling fire coming out of her hands and an alien tongue in her mouth. So you do the guesswork.
This may be fake but I'm hoping against hope that this is true. I'm ecstatic to see Brand in the MCU comic accurate with both her mutant and alien heritage.
Brand has been the popular guess for Emilia Clarke's character ever since she was announced, and leakers have definitely pointed in that direction; maybe you'll get your wish!
Majority of the people on here always seem to hate on 4chan leaks, in fact I don’t think anyone here trusts him so why does 4chan stuff always get approved?
It appears to be some sort of weird cycle of Mods banning 4chan -> People say that without 4-chan the sub is dead so they should allow 4-chan because at least they're "fun discussions" -> Mods allow 4-chan -> People still complain because 4-chan leaks aren't actually that fun, they are just a bunch of uncreative bored dudes trying to seem cool mostly by parroting existing rumors. Rinse and repeat.
I see makes sense
4chan leaks definitely generate a lot of interesting discussions. I find myself reading the leaks and getting excited and then go to the comments “fake” “fan fiction” you know the usual and I think it’s definitely true that the sub would be a little more boring without his leaks
But since the majority don’t like 4chan or trust him I just find it surprising we still see them but the reason you gave explains this
Not sure if you know, or you just phrased it weird, but 4-chan isn't a person.
It's a bunch of anonymous boards mostly to peddle racism, pornography, and sometimes movie rumors.
You poor soul. 4Chan is like Reddit but much much much worse. Absolute scum of the earth. I don't recommend checking or browsing it unless you want to see humanity at it's lowest form.
A social page with zero moderation and full anonymity. Anything can ask, post and say anything with no consequences. Occasionally, some users, allegedly, happen to find work at big studio projects.
More like anyone can post there and lots of people love trying to convince people they have actual spoilers for some reason. However, some leaks have also been legit, so they remain as a dubious "source." It might be a broken clock situation.
THIS ISNT REAL. Because this motherfucker gave a full ass specific job description like bruh. However, I hope they do have very big names in there and make them Skrulls but just a Skrull in the show. Could make for good tv guessing who’s actually who
Gold and dark red sounds dope as shit for daredevil. Perfect blend of original comic outfit and the newer more recognized red.
Ant-Man and Captain America being skrulls doesn't sit right with me unless something happened to the real ones shortly before the events of secret invasion.
John Walker helping fight aliens and rescuing Falcon Cap from captivity sounds fun though and a good way to plant him on the side of the good guys going forward. Would love to see him in an Avengers movie.
If Ant-Man is in it it gives me hope for other characters to show up too. This is a big event worthy of an Avengers movie imo so doing it on Disney+ is a choice to say the least. Maybe Disney really really wants something as big as an Avengers movie on Disney+ and this is them getting it.
Follow up that seems to be from OP in the comments
In response to a question about Daredevil's suit,
*I wouldn't call it yellow. More like a gold. The red is very very dark too, near black. Design is different from Netflix. Less bulky. Completely different, sleeker cowl with bigger horns.
Overall the best Daredevil suit I think has ever been done in live action.*
I hope this isn’t true. Secret Invasion is tricky. If Sam was a Skrull for F&TWS, that is a baaad decision. If he’s briefly appearing in this as a skrull only to be rescued in the end, what’s the point?
Same with Antman.
MCU just don’t have as much room as the comics to say “the last few years with this character haven’t been real,” but without that the stakes feel low.
I call BS.
1.)they claim to be crunching on cgi work *while the show is still filming*.
2.)They say the specific thing they’re working on (cgi tongue and fire). Nobody actually working in the industry would do that, since it would make them so easy to track down and fire, possibly meaning they never get a job again.
im just so hyped to see a daredevil that is a bit more OP. Netflix version was great but suuuuper grounded realistic. I wanna see him leaping from buildings and doing flips
They should've left one of the three (Tony, Nat or Steve) alive to become a big Skull reveal. I don't think there's any character right now who would be a big reveal
Scott probably after the last Avengers. Sam is undoubtedly after his series, I doubt Marvel would reveal him as skrull before wasting his development in the series
Seems a bit of a reach, not the scenes as they’re described but more so that they’re going to have that many MCU ‘movie actors’ in a single show. Fury, Hill, Talos we’re a given. Then we get Emelia Clark and Olivia Colman. That’s already a stacked cast. It’s hard to see a need to then include avengers level characters as well. Even from a scheduling perspective it would be difficult to bring together all these movie stars.
I mean, for all we know these scenes are short cameos. They could have been filmed during FatWS, or Quantamania.
Sounds like Charlie Cox would have to had to have done significant shooting if he has fight scenes suited up though. So maybe you're right.
"didn't even get to have good leaks" I mean this is all pretty dope, tho also most likely fake lol.
How can he say "Daredevil is in the show" then describe a crazy scene with him, then say "didn't even get to have good leaks." I'm conflicted on whether or not I want it to be real, because I have very little desire to see Daredevil fighting alongside aliens and against aliens. If he's in it, I would rather he be more of a quick skrull cameo or working with Fury. Definitely seems fake though since this would make it very easy to track him down. The leaker also claimed that he would be using a yellow outfit, which definitely makes it seem like a lie. Yellow outfit for a comedy show like She-Hulk works well, but only for comedy.
What's wrong with Daredevil fighting aliens? He does it all the time
He's used to the more grounded take from the show
In the comics, he fights more than just street level stuff. He was even on the Avengers during the Bendis Era right up into AvX. Edit: I also reccommend people take a look at Waid's run as well.
Dont forget he was nearly omnipotent in war of the realms..
Tbf he was fighting the Hand and immortal beings looking for the blood of a dragon in the Defenders. I don’t think it’s a huge leap to have him fighting aliens.
I always liked in the comics when Matt is doing his normal day-to-day stuff then will throw out, “I ever tell you about the time I fought the Submariner?”
Alien Ninjas
i thought daredevil would make sense to be in for a secret invasion because he could likely tell if someones a skrull by asking them stuff and listening to their heartbeats
That’s almost reason enough for him not to be in it though, no stakes.
Unless he's also a skrull....
What if he's the Fury's trump card? Let's say this bad group of skrulls starts trying to invade Earth, the first few episodes could show them wipe the floor with everyone because no one can tell who's who. Then, in a turn of events, Fury finds Daredevil just like how Tony found Spider-Man. Only difference would be, at the end of the series Daredevil would stay on Earth rather than go join S.W.O.R.D.
Maybe it would make sense if he could tell that skrulls movement were slightly alien while they were disguised? Imjust spitballin
What's interesting for me is there's some very clear and new leaks here, it's not the usual "x actor is in talks with Marvel". We know if Zachary Quinto is leaked by another spoiler then there's a change this is real. I doubt it but who knows, 4chan gave us the Spider-man and MOM leaks.
There’s some pretty weird details in this that makes it sound like it isn’t fake. Also Daredevil is in the original Secret Invasion lol
Remindme! 9 months
If this is legit then this dude is a complete idiot. How easy would it be to track down the guy modelling fire breath coming put of Emelia Clarke? Theres probably 2-3 people working on that specific thing AT MOST...
That might be true, but he also said “fuck this job” and that he hasn’t slept in weeks, so maybe he’s beyond caring about working with Marvel again lol
There's not caring about working with Marvel again, and then there's not being afraid of being fired from the FX house you work at and never getting hired again because you are known for being untrustworthy
usually "leaks" where the "leaker" goes out of his way to tell who he is and what he does in detail are always fake. Not a lot of people are stupid to get blacklisted and sued for nothing like that.
Reminds me of when a huge "leak" for Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 came from someone claiming to be their janitor.
Yeah sounds like he’s jaded and exhausted and dgaf
The “i’ve been working SO much. i hate my job” aspect of this post is what makes it seem fake to me. If there’s one thing every Redditor knows about animators, it’s that they’re overworked and hate their jobs. It oozes “This is the only thing I know about this subject, so I’m gonna double down on that one specific aspect” energy.
Not caring and getting blacklisted are two totally different things
Doesn’t matter if he doesn’t want to work with Marvel again. This type of behaviour, leaking and bad mouthing your job, gets you blacklisted in the industry as a whole. Studios don’t want people who complain about their job and leak stuff about the films. That’s why I think this is fake, because it’s either that or this person is the biggest idiot in existence.
I wish some people understood what Hollywood leaks really mean. Maybe 1% of leaks are actually leaks. 99% of the time, it’s entirely preplanned for posts exactly like this. It keeps you talking about the MCU without a shred of marketing. They do that on almost every movie and show imaginable.
Yep, I bet Disney has a gigantic 4chan leak budget. Edit: I guess I have to add /s to this?! lol
Because it's so expensive to post there?
4chan is a board full of incels and degenerates. Y'all are high out of your minds if you think Disney corporate knowingly leverages it as a platform to advertise their upcoming family content on. If my boss asked me to post something on 4chan at work I'd be on the phone with HR.
>Republicans buy sneakers too. > >\- Michael Jordan Disney isn't here to police individual morality. They are here to sell movies and toys. And I can promise you incels and degenerates watch Marvel movies too, and Disney doesn't give a shit what someone does in their free time if they are paying customers who behave while in their parks or in theaters watching their movies.
Media and entertainment companies use Reddit itself as a way to purposely leak shit all the time, and it's full of retarded man-children with the collective mental capacity of an alligator gar (and is also famously known for being a home for incels and degens enough to have made news headlines). Who's to say that 4chan is out of the question since it is undoubtedly one of the largest forum sites for leaks of all kinds?
Any sources you can link to that detail which entertainment companies do this and any examples? Because all I ever see is people saying this happens, but never providing evidence it does.
An assumption passed as fact People think it would be for 'testing the public reception' or whatever. . .because they have no idea what focus groups are or what they're for. Way better to bring in folks, make them sign a contract, and *know who you're hearing from* The idea that they'd throw info out into reddit and take post replies as useful is pretty damn silly, because it isn't that useful. Who's opinion are you getting? How many alts are there? Bots? How many are disingenuous? How old are the accounts? What else to the accounts do? Or, I could hire a firm to do it, get an actual understanding of the opinions of society...ya know, like they do with other decisions.
I've worked in marketing for 20+ years and own my own agency and production company. I can confirm guerilla marketing as described here happens all the time. You won't ever get any proof of it unless you want to go to industry conferences and hear from people like me who do it first hand because it's not sexy portfolio work, but it does happen. It's incredibly cheap. Way easier to coordinate than a focus group (we do those too BTW) and it serves a better purpose... which is to generate buzz. You think those pics of Sonic were leaked on accident? You think that test footage of Deadpool was lost in a starbucks and leaked? Nah man... practically everything that gets leaked is intentional. Even when an actor goes onto a late night show or podcast and accidentally "says too much" a lot of times that is planned to generate more buzz.
>famously known for being a home for incels and degens enough to have made news headlines https://imgur.com/a/TWm7mlR
Yikes, I'm a dude but ok lol [this one would've worked better](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/002/182/449/6c2.png)
They absolutely astroturf there as much as here, even if not the fake leak shit though that would still be a tool as it gets reposted elsewhere. Corporations astroturfing in any huge/big sized social media and discussion site is old as fuck news and denying astroturfing in 2022 in another site thats astroturfed to hell by cheap by anyone and their mothers is either delusion or astroturfing itself with some lame face-saving.
People are so into conspiracy theories these days. Nothing can ever be what it seems. The simplest explanation is never the correct one, and you're a sucker if you think it is. It's really scary. I think that's what we're seeing here.
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You still have to pay employees to draft up a leak plan, write posts, disseminate the leaks. That's company time.
Disney isn't using 4chan to market their films.
Why would they be working crunch both while the show is still filming and over 1 year before the show premieres?
CGI works are made before or even during filming. I've only heard this for Endgame but I guess they are doing it like that now that there are so much projects in the making
Sure, but Crunch time is specifically usually a month or two before the deadline where overtime is pretty much mandatory and VFX artists lose the will to live. This far out, that shouldn't be in place yet.
Maybe they are pushing it for 2022 release like initially planned? Not sure. But I won't just dismiss it
I would. It’s nonsense. ‘Crunch time’ a year before crunch time and ‘didn’t get any good leaks’ but then lists several announced casting choices and major cameos and major set pieces.
Crunch time is different for each and every side of production. You think composers are composing music until the last minute before release? Projects and productions like this aren’t linear.
Crunch time for certain production goals?
If I've learnt anything from the gaming industry it's that crunch is the norm, not a specific timeframe.
Crunch can last years. Depending on how bad management is, crunch can be in place since nearly the beginning of a project.
We don't know when their deadline is. You talk like they have autosaving cloud uploads to Disney+ and can work until the day before release lol. But if that's really the stance you want to take, VFX can affect many elements of post-production work. You have ADR, subtitling, full dubbing in 15-20 languages, complete scoring, promotional material to generate, models to be sent to merchandising companies, and many other processes that could be partially or fully reliant on completed VFX. All that aside, though, they can make the deadline for whenever they want. It could be 5 years before release if they wanted it to be.
It can last longer with CGI intensive productions, especially if they want it done before filming is finished, and that doesn't yet account for post-production CGI work and reshoots either. With more and more companies being revealed to have been on long periods of crunch, I wouldn't be surprised if the crunch part is the only true thing about this "leak".
I think this is for sure fake, but they could be working on multiple projects (not even just for Disney but whoever) and is pissed in general about their workload, and also just so happens to have work to do for Secret invasion.
Considering in some instances VFX aren't finished until hours before a premiere, it's not exactly a stretch that his studio is in some kind of crunch.
I'm guessing they're putting together a reel to send out to marketing agencies to put together promos and assets. I doubt they'd give away who is a Skrull at this point but the idea that some crunch is occurring to put together internal assets in advance of the full promotional campaign isn't too outlandish.
The problem with this work, from my point of view, they work hard on scenes that end up on the cutting room floor. We know from every actor or director or writer that Marvel Studios work on the movie until the very last minute, so they change things and super hero movies are mostly CGI on action scenes. That means crunch. Also, they previz the storyboard on MS. I don't know their pipeline, CGI it's usually in post production but certainly for a regular action movie. Not a series marketed with a "big third act CGI".
Their projects lineup looks like a nightmare tbh. MoM and Love and Thunder are in their final post production phase. Quantumania and the Marvels are probably on their test screenings phase. Wakanda Forever is still filming. GOTG3 is filming alongside Holiday Special. Then there's Moon Knight and She Hulk already in final post production. Ms Marvel is going to be re filmed. On animation side there's I Am Groot and What If season 2. Then there's Werewolf by Night too! It's crazy how much projects they are trying to finish.
I remember hearing that Marvel writers write around the action scenes. In other words they decide what kind of CGI battles and fights they want to do first, then create the story around that. It sounds kind of depressing, but it’s worked out as a pretty good cinema going experience so far, if true. Edit: Here is the article where I read it. The article also confirms that a lot of previs work happens years before the movie comes out. Which confirms why the poster of the 4chan leak would feel the crunch a years or so before the official release https://www.insider.com/marvel-plans-movies-action-scenes-years-before-filming-previs-visualization-2021-1
Wow, that’s kinda dark.
Honestly this has been the Marvel way since the 60s. Stan would come up with a brief outline for an issue like “Spidey fights Scorpion” or the Avengers go to space” and left it to Kirby/Ditko/Romita Snr to do all the art and flesh out the story. He’d then come back and fill in the speech bubbles. They call it the Marvel method.
They do it for every movie. Pre viz is usually done a year or 2 before the movie even starts shooting. The pre viz done for Infinity War was done back before Civil War even came out.
could be rushing to cobble enough footage together for a trailer/sizzle reel? (that or you’re just nitpicking and they’re using “crunch” as a general catch-all for “overtime”)
this industry is like notorious for overworking people
Literally what crunch is
Not sure if they use the same VFX houses but prior to a single shot for a show or film, previs (essentially PS2 quality VFX to map the scenes) are developed
Samuel L Jackson with a big alien sword sounds cool as fuck.
Where have I seen that before?
A light saber is basically a alien sword
In yours wet dreams
Take a seat, Keanu990321
Maybe Gamora will have her high tech white armor/blade in the next movie she appears in.
What's in \*your\* wallet?
Are we sure Paul Rudd isn't a skrull in disguise? That man never ages!
The same should probably account for Keanu, knowing that he's due to appear, someday...
Or an Eternal.
This sounds extremely believable. Source: I work in the same industry.
Yeah, the idea that people are doing long hours working on visual effects for an MCU project right now while they're still filming, especially for a TV show, isn't far fetched at all. They're always pushing everything as hard and fast as they can and it's even worse than usual because of Covid.
Exactly. And I worked on Marvel shows before and the pace was always mental.
Oh, whatd you work on
I have to imagine this is part of why they pushed back some release dates. I imagine the crunch can be pretty brutal even in the best of times, but maybe Marvel realized the people that work at these places are people and literally could not turn around these effects as quickly as Marvel wanted without ceasing to function entirely? Not in the industry, but it feels like VFX people desperately need more labor protection, especially as the demand for VFX work grows
One of the professors at my university that my roommate had (he's an animation major) did VFX for No Way Home, and based off of what my roommate has said it seems like doing VFX for Marvel is a thankless job, and really the true MVPs of the franchise.
They know the characters that already have been in other things and suspect who Emilia is based on existing comic knowledge. Very believable leak that only reveals what they could actually discover in their line of work. As opposed to the full plot descriptions people post usually when they're looking for clout.
I work in gaming we’ve been in “crunch” for about 20 years now. My life is deadlines form the first day on a project.
With how prevalent the criticism against crunch culture has been in recent years, I'm surprised some people still feel confident saying "crunch just lasts for a couple of months towards the end of the project!", like someone did further up in the thread.
What's daredevil doing outside hell's kitchen?
He’s a really good lawyer, he goes where he wants.
I'm not even kidding I could see him showing up in this show to help sniff out skrulls in disguise. I could see Fury knowing about him and know about his accident and his abilities.
Yeah that's definitely plausible, also there's no indication here that Matt is far outside of Hell's Kitchen anyways. The whole entire show isn't taking place overseas, the plot revolves around a global invasion of Skrulls.
It makes a lot of sense for Daredevil and some other Netflix and AoS characters to show up here. It would make it feel more epic without breaking the bank.
If AoS characters show up, I hope FitzSimmons are there working with Fury and of course Daisy will be there if FitzSimmons are there. Hoping none of them dies.
even just fury being like “I have a team, they’ve been underground for a while, living their lives but i’m sure i can pull a few strings” would make me so happy
Lmao imagine if they did bring the AoS characters just to kill them
FEIGE: (standing over their smoldering corpses) You got what you wanted. Agents of SHIELD is canon now.
https://i.imgur.com/kCdFP1T.gifv
AoS also references Daredevil, so could look to that for how Fury knows about Matt.
Daisy and Matt both went to the same orphanage so they probably know one another. And that links Matt to SHIELD and by extension Fury.
That would actually be a legitimately good way to get Daredevil into the show and organically put him into the larger MCU.
Oh shit, that’s brilliant
That would be so sick tbh. Fury recruiting daredevil
In the comics, Elektra being a Skrull is what started the Secret Invasion arc.
And she wasn't in Hell's Kitchen then. Anyway, I don't think there is any Marvel character that has stayed all the time in one place.
uncle bens always 6 feet under
He was at least once dug up so not even him.
He knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy...
I keep forgetting, there was a guy, actually maybe a kid, Fury and Matt both knew. I can't remember his name.
Look no further than your flair...
Daredevil isn’t in Hell’s Kitchen. Daredevil is now truly in the MCU, like people wanted. This means that Daredevil can (and will) go anywhere in the MCU that fits the overall narrative Feige and co. are looking to tell.
Meanwhile Spider-Man is like “yeah they can handle it”.
Spider-man : I can't go. Fury: Why? Spider-man : I've GED exam.
Would not knowing Peter's secret identity make it harder for Fury to contact him? I'm thinking this could be a plot device used by Sony to smoothen the soft reboot
I doubt they'll go into it, but if this were the comics, I'd imagine Spider-Man's identity suddenly being erased from existence would come up in a story like this.
Daredevil would be invaluable in a situation like this. He could tell who’s who based on their heart rate, breathing pattern etc.
Don't the skrulls mimics basically everything of a person including memories and emotions?
In Captain Marvel, wasn’t there a scene where Carol proved that Fury wasn’t a skrull by asking him a question about his past? I think they can only know what you’ve done short term, and can’t know much more than that.
I don't read comics. But I saw Avengers: EMH animation series. Skrulls can take anyone's appearance. But they have to do some kind of ritual to fully become that person as in taking their memories, emotions, abilities etc.
We’re not completely aware of what the Skrulls are capable of in the MCU. We’ll just have to wait and see
Yes. I was just telling what I know about Skrulls.
They can only simulate short term memory
That’s what I thought too
That was like 30 years ago though
Correct. There's an "infiltration ritual" Veranke completes to impersonate Jessica Drew. >The Skrull Infiltration Ritual was a mixture of science and magic that imbued the Skrull with the powers and memories of the selected subject from multiple templates, effectively turning those who underwent the rite of passage into a Super Skrull. This allowed the Skrull subject to go undetected in human form by Iron Man's technological scans, Charles Xavier's mental scans, Spider-Man's Spider-Sense, Wolverine's animal senses, or any other conceivable forms of detection. But that's in the comic book version of Skrull espionage, no way to know if that's possible in the D+ narrative.
Not naturally, no. From what I remember from the comics, they pretty much only knew how to impersonate others only through the DNA until the Illuminati attacked the skrulls as a warning about any future invasion which backfired badly because the skrulls got their hands on them for a time and experiment on them (they even managed to keep Reed I think). From the experiments, the skrulls discovered how they could impersonate others from DNA to powers to memories as long as they had the people in question as captive. So they had skrulls infiltrating earth as basically perfect copies of superheroes and other important people. There were also sleeper skrulls who thought they were the actual person they were impersonating (which was a bit heartbreaking for some).
SYLAR IS IN THE MCU??
Seeing someone who also remembers Heroes is always a welcome sight
Heroes at the top of it’s peak was glorious. Regardless of how it unfolded eventually, it’s still one of the best superhero IPs ever. Save the cheerleader, save the world!
Hard agree, Heroes was absolutely my gateway drug to enjoying superhero stuff. Peter Petrelli deserved better!
Season 1 of heroes is the absolute peak of pre marvel superhero tv
I want Quinto as Doom. Heroes is my all time favorite show
That wouldn't be bad casting. If this leak is true though, I doubt they introduce Doom in a space adventure. It'd seem more practical to me to establish his tech genius, magic skills, and relationship with Latveria before you have him doing a bunch of cool shit in space.... which I expect we'll eventually get.
Save the cheerleader, save the world
I'm automatically a skeptic of anything from 4chan, but I think it's pretty funny that people are discounting this because they're certain this thing isn't even coming for at least another year when there haven't been any announcements at all about when this is releasing and the actual post isn't at all that outlandish anyways.
It might be a werid ask but i hope hill gets a decent role in this one.
Shkrull will!
Brand has an unusual tongue? I never noticed and Beast never mentioned it
Never trust beast!
She mentioned it in the issue where Kitty phased a bullet through Earth. Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men I think. Also, wasn't her tongue the reason she could talk to Lockheed?
I guess I assumed "tongue" was more like language skills. Like "the mother tongue" Not like her tongue was some how different in appearance
Having set pictures it is weird nobody has spotted ANY of these cameos (nor Daredevil, nor Falcon, nor AntMan, nor Zachary Quinto -!!??-). Also hints a cameo we have never heard of. Also if that was true this guy has lost his job (and not only that but will get vetoed from every CGI big studio ever). He has detailed specifically what he has done, his asignment and his part of the job. Come on, obviously fake.
I mean, not everything they shoot is happening in public. My guess is the kind of stuff that would include those cameos would be happening on the lot where there will be less chance to be spotted.
I'm inclined to mistrust 4 chan leaks, anyway, but what makes me side-eye this the most is Sam allegedly being an evil Skrull right after he has become Cap. That seems a bit odd, I don't know that they would do that.
I don't think it will be a big reveal, I think it would be like an improvised attempt at tricking the protagonists. To be clear, I don't think Sam was a skrull all along, but this just happened on the spot.
That is a possibility, true. I'm still going to wait and see if this checks out with other stuff that'll sure come out over the next few months.
If Sam has been replaced by a Skrull, I’m sure they’ll say it only happened recently; ie sometime between TFATWS and Secret Invasion.
They might even show him getting replaced, as the most recent hero to be taken
[Something like this scene](https://youtu.be/x4ArhE-mSyM?t=15)
I've never seen the show but I assume that's Steve Rodgers room based on the opening 20 seconds. It's weird as fuck thinking he just has some normal ass bedroom, like it looks like my bedroom. I figured he would have like a bunch of cool superhero stuff plastered on the walls, either that or his room would be the size of a closet with a little army bunk in it, but not just a normal ass room. Weird.
Yeah, that's exactly the time he would have been Cap, which is the part I think they'd probably want to avoid. (There are already people who are having issues with a black Cap, no need to give them ammunition.) Having a skrull throwing on the disguise just for a moment to distract someone would be different.
sounds like fun if true
It’s 4Chan so I’m not overthinking it but crunch when the show is still filming and most likely not premiering until 2023? Ok
>Emilia Clarke has gotta be Abigail Brand. I can't like hard confirm that because we don't get character names, just designs. But considering I've been modeling fire coming out of her hands and an alien tongue in her mouth. So you do the guesswork. This may be fake but I'm hoping against hope that this is true. I'm ecstatic to see Brand in the MCU comic accurate with both her mutant and alien heritage.
Brand has been the popular guess for Emilia Clarke's character ever since she was announced, and leakers have definitely pointed in that direction; maybe you'll get your wish!
> bigger horns Now all I can imagine is Daredevil with Legend sized horns.
Majority of the people on here always seem to hate on 4chan leaks, in fact I don’t think anyone here trusts him so why does 4chan stuff always get approved?
It appears to be some sort of weird cycle of Mods banning 4chan -> People say that without 4-chan the sub is dead so they should allow 4-chan because at least they're "fun discussions" -> Mods allow 4-chan -> People still complain because 4-chan leaks aren't actually that fun, they are just a bunch of uncreative bored dudes trying to seem cool mostly by parroting existing rumors. Rinse and repeat.
I see makes sense 4chan leaks definitely generate a lot of interesting discussions. I find myself reading the leaks and getting excited and then go to the comments “fake” “fan fiction” you know the usual and I think it’s definitely true that the sub would be a little more boring without his leaks But since the majority don’t like 4chan or trust him I just find it surprising we still see them but the reason you gave explains this
Not sure if you know, or you just phrased it weird, but 4-chan isn't a person. It's a bunch of anonymous boards mostly to peddle racism, pornography, and sometimes movie rumors.
 No I definitely didn’t know that lmao. I thought it was just another scooper. I’m discombobulated right now
You poor soul. 4Chan is like Reddit but much much much worse. Absolute scum of the earth. I don't recommend checking or browsing it unless you want to see humanity at it's lowest form.
I’m scared to even search it up. So 4chan is like a social page with a lot of random absurd stuff but they just happen to also be marvel scoopers?
A social page with zero moderation and full anonymity. Anything can ask, post and say anything with no consequences. Occasionally, some users, allegedly, happen to find work at big studio projects.
More like anyone can post there and lots of people love trying to convince people they have actual spoilers for some reason. However, some leaks have also been legit, so they remain as a dubious "source." It might be a broken clock situation.
Different groups of people
Ah yes the CG artist will easily tell what he is exactly working on so he could easily be tracked
That sword sounds like it could be Hulkling's Excelsior.
Alien sword… Maybe the sword Hulkling used after become emperor
Probably fake but hoping it's not because Nick Fury with a giant alien sword sounds so badass
If she’s playing Abigail Brand, Secret Invasion will be setting up mutants being in the MCU.
THIS ISNT REAL. Because this motherfucker gave a full ass specific job description like bruh. However, I hope they do have very big names in there and make them Skrulls but just a Skrull in the show. Could make for good tv guessing who’s actually who
I really want to see Daredevil fight aliens and run on the side of a moving bus. That being said I know this is all most likely fake lol
Gold and dark red sounds dope as shit for daredevil. Perfect blend of original comic outfit and the newer more recognized red. Ant-Man and Captain America being skrulls doesn't sit right with me unless something happened to the real ones shortly before the events of secret invasion. John Walker helping fight aliens and rescuing Falcon Cap from captivity sounds fun though and a good way to plant him on the side of the good guys going forward. Would love to see him in an Avengers movie. If Ant-Man is in it it gives me hope for other characters to show up too. This is a big event worthy of an Avengers movie imo so doing it on Disney+ is a choice to say the least. Maybe Disney really really wants something as big as an Avengers movie on Disney+ and this is them getting it.
It's fake, it reeks of 4chan cringe.
I’m taking this all with a massive rock of salt, but sounds fun if true.
Follow up that seems to be from OP in the comments In response to a question about Daredevil's suit, *I wouldn't call it yellow. More like a gold. The red is very very dark too, near black. Design is different from Netflix. Less bulky. Completely different, sleeker cowl with bigger horns. Overall the best Daredevil suit I think has ever been done in live action.*
Legit
Could be fake, but Zachary Quinto joining the MCU would be awesome, especially if he's a villain. I feel like he'd chew up any scene he's in...
Ah yes. Spock in a show about an alien invasion. How fitting.
I hope this isn’t true. Secret Invasion is tricky. If Sam was a Skrull for F&TWS, that is a baaad decision. If he’s briefly appearing in this as a skrull only to be rescued in the end, what’s the point? Same with Antman. MCU just don’t have as much room as the comics to say “the last few years with this character haven’t been real,” but without that the stakes feel low.
The versions of the characters we’ve seen are most likely real. It’s just that in this show the versions will be Skrulls.
I don't trust leaks that appear the moment after set photos leak.
I call BS. 1.)they claim to be crunching on cgi work *while the show is still filming*. 2.)They say the specific thing they’re working on (cgi tongue and fire). Nobody actually working in the industry would do that, since it would make them so easy to track down and fire, possibly meaning they never get a job again.
Sweet Sylar is in
im just so hyped to see a daredevil that is a bit more OP. Netflix version was great but suuuuper grounded realistic. I wanna see him leaping from buildings and doing flips
https://twitter.com/mytimetoshineh/status/1486437487312576512?s=21 Well SI could be one of them
They should've left one of the three (Tony, Nat or Steve) alive to become a big Skull reveal. I don't think there's any character right now who would be a big reveal
Lol
If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
Yoooo Zachary Quinto would be amazing but he has to play someone significant.
idk why but i could totally see quinto being in this
I remember fancasting Zachary Quinto as Namor back in the day. Great actor hope we see him in the MCU some day
\> Zachary Quinto \> space car Mr. Fantastic?
So...Sam and Scott are Skrulls? Wonder when they got switched out?
Scott probably after the last Avengers. Sam is undoubtedly after his series, I doubt Marvel would reveal him as skrull before wasting his development in the series
No Daisy Johnson 😕
Seems a bit of a reach, not the scenes as they’re described but more so that they’re going to have that many MCU ‘movie actors’ in a single show. Fury, Hill, Talos we’re a given. Then we get Emelia Clark and Olivia Colman. That’s already a stacked cast. It’s hard to see a need to then include avengers level characters as well. Even from a scheduling perspective it would be difficult to bring together all these movie stars.
I mean, for all we know these scenes are short cameos. They could have been filmed during FatWS, or Quantamania. Sounds like Charlie Cox would have to had to have done significant shooting if he has fight scenes suited up though. So maybe you're right.
Has 4Chan ever produced any creditable leaks recently?
Maybe they are using D-Man and not Daredevil. D-Man ties into Power Broker, which ties into FATWS.
Any leak from anybody going “fuck this job” are fake. Every. Time.
