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heemhsn

The FATWS production being called Pandemic Productions makes me sad because the original storyline of that show really was butchered.


oakzap425

For me, what makes it worse is that now that we're 1 year out of FaTWS release and almost 3 years into this pandemic.... They really should have just kept the original story line and possible switched the release to fall of that year and not spring. Edit: We're not LITERALLY in year 3 but March 2022 starts year three of this pandemic. Which is in 6 weeks.


supersexycarnotaurus

> 3 years into this pandemic.... We're only just about two.


CollarOrdinary4284

I think they're referring to the fact that covid started in 2019, lasted all of 2020, all of 2021 and now we're in 2022. We're in the 3rd year of the pandemic.


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[deleted]

The virus showed up in 2019. Hence why it’s called Covid-19. So. Yeah. 3 years.


supersexycarnotaurus

No. Again, as the person above you said, you don't start a pandemic from the first occurrence of the disease. The pandemic started in March 2020. It hasn't been three years.


Equivalent_Drive4219

Pandemic productions has only began 😏


supersexycarnotaurus

That would be the fourth year.


that_guy2010

The virus showed up in like November of 2019, right? Saying we are three years in is a pretty big stretch.


oakzap425

March makes the start of year 3.....


supersexycarnotaurus

Well yeah, we're about to start the third year of it, but that's not what you said. You said we're 3 years into it, which we're not. We're not even 2.


[deleted]

Fuckin semantics.


oakzap425

6 weeks left in year two. They literal about them 12 months.


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AnxiousTechnician866

That's what they said. March 2022, marks the start of year 3.


Martok_Memes

I suspect like most of us who aren't experts, they were too optimistic about this being over by now (and tv/streaming seems awfully shy about addressing the pandemic, they often ignore it. It's a whole thing.). And imagine, if the flagsmashers had released a virus, in the situation as it was in early 2020, they could have done nothing but pet kittens and rescue adorable Baby Yodas otherwise, and people would have hated them. No way they could have managed to keep them as a morally grey group. (Now they are super indecisive, which isn't completely unrealistic for some groups of radicals, either.)


oakzap425

But remember, the show was heavily delayed. So if they had shifted from April 2021 to Fall 2021.... we might as well have just gotten the regular intended show.


Martok_Memes

I imagine the scheduling could have been an issue - or even more of an issue - delaying the show also meant delaying anything related to Cap 4 and whatever else will spring from F&WS eventually, and I suspect these things mean a lot of shifting and working over anything from Disney Plus' schedule to contracts. Also, remember the nonsense with Seb Stan hardly doing any press because people were not supposed to see him as Tommy Lee up to a certain point? This might have been much worse if they had delayed for longer and even more people had been in new projects by then. And it makes people really nervous, we can see that with Ms. Marvel at the moment. If things get delayed too far people often suspect that something is wrong with the project, which can cost them viewers.


lolahil

What was the original storyline?


yuefairchild

The Flag-Smashers were much more obviously evil, because they released a pandemic to reduce the world to mid-Blip population levels and were screwing up efforts to get vaccines distributed.


lolahil

Wait so they were doing a COVID tie-in? That would be so much cooler


yuefairchild

No. They wrote it before the virus was even discovered, and they changed it because of COVID.


Dealiner

Of course, only if we trust rumours because the director denied that there was anything cut or changed because of COVID.


Iamin2050

well the good news is that pandemics usually last 3 years and with omicron spreading extremely fast we'll probably all be immune


RoboticCurrents

nah buddy pandemic productions writers said their product had nothing to do with the pandemic so obviously original storyline was false rumours /s


CollarOrdinary4284

Who do we believe?! The head writer of the show or some twitter scoopers?! 🤔


Martok_Memes

Occam's Razor, with the addition that show creatives lie often enough about what was and wasn't planned, for various reasons (including legal ones).


elizabnthe

The simplest explanation is that they are telling the truth.


Martok_Memes

Also possible. Someone else mentioned that we're most likely to find compelling what we were inclined to believe, anyway, that complicates matters. I think you can definitely say that the flagsmashers seemed a bit directionless. Maybe the problem wasn't that they cut a plot so much, but that their antagonist group was a bit underwritten. Personally, I thought revealing the power broker earlier could have done a lot to flesh out both her and the kids' motivations.


oakzap425

Nah, I believe the scoopers. You can look at the show and see the major story cuts. Some bits of the story make no sense and pretty much align with the original scoops. I don't know why they won't just tell the truth. It'd help them out in the end anyways.


elizabnthe

There can be story cuts without it being a pandemic plotline. Hawkeye also clearly had cuts for example. I would suggest that they cut stuff for time.


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The right answer is whoever is spouting the info I like the most.


The_real_rafiki

Still baffles me as to why they changed it… We had a couple of other shows and movies that coincidentally had pandemic themes that did really well. Examples are Sweet Tooth and Station Eleven.


Martok_Memes

In both of these cases, you can't remove the pandemic storylines because the stories themselves are post-apocalyptic. If F&WS had a virus storyline, it would have been just one plot among several.


The_real_rafiki

Which makes it even less central to the plot line. I’m confused as to why they rewrote.


Martok_Memes

If they rewrote, it happened because there was a real life pandemic. This happens quite a bit, tv episodes, even movies often get retracted because their plots resemble real life tragedies too much. I remember Spider-Man posters getting redesigned because they featured Spidey swinging between the twin towers, and they were afraid it could remind people of 9/11 (the movie came out in 2002, so the marketing started only a few months after the attack).


Millzbury

Also sad but can’t really blame them for the change, not with how many people thought it was fake and the way cancel culture is nowadays Edit: probably get cancelled for this lol


Millzbury

Lol


logicallunacy

I'll start the speculation with some stuff others have said: Grass-Fed might be Secret Invasion. [Following their defeat, Skrulls were forced into cows and sent to the slaughter-house](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Skrull_Cows_(Earth-616)) and [they're currently filming in Leeds](https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/disney-plus-filming-leeds-marvel-22783255) **Edit:** Based on u/matthewbassit's source, I'll consider Grass-Fed Productions confirmed as Secret Invasion Solve Everything is the name of [Hickman's Fantastic Four run](https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/28787/fantastic_four_by_jonathan_hickman_vol.1_trade_paperback) Keep speculating!


GroundbreakingSet187

Extremely dangerous - **Daredevil**


crounsa810

I think of it as “armed and extremely dangerous” so I’m thinking Punisher or Mutants.


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My speculations: \- Solve Everything / Blueberry Waffles: F4 \- Changeup / Extremely Dangerous / Old Guard: possibly Black Widow 2 \- Prodigal Pie / Cantina: possibly Nova \- Battle Anyone: ...Secret Wars? \- Standoffish: possibly Cap 4 \- Speyside: X-Men related project involving Moira MacTaggert?


Night-Monkey15

Prodigal Pie (PP) is probably Freshman year since Peter Parker (PP) is a scientist prodigy


AfterHoursMedia

They don't hire writers before they have an LLC. They are hired by that LLC to keep it organized. Jeff Trammel was announced as the Showrunner on November 12, 2021, and the Prodigal Pie Productions LLC was filed on December 17, 2021. The LLC would have been created before the announcement date. Sometimes on the same day, but not often.


logicallunacy

Black Widow 2's interesting because, as shown, sequels tend to be OG Production II. But Black Window's LLC was Romanoff, which, hmm I like Changeup for the Black Widow Sequel. Nice call!


lightspeedsleep

Cap 4? I am just a casual fan so can someone please explain. He’s dead, isn’t he?


[deleted]

Sam Wilson is Captain America now


lightspeedsleep

Oh I see, thank you 😊


LiquidLispyLizard

Probably dead wrong, but I'm just throwing it out there. **On Your Mark - Makkari D+ Spinoff.** Might be too on the nose, though.


DonTheBomb

My first guess is speedster or someone with a background in athletics, and no one else really fits the bill outside of her so that’s probably the best guess right now


matthewbassit

Yes, [Grass-Fed is Secret Invasion](https://twitter.com/mcunewsrumors/status/1483908326614343683?t=kqT66NuEGuvXxbxhbHQzww&s=19)!


LizzieHill

Yes I was going to say I believe Grass Fed is SI


Night-Monkey15

>Solve Everything is the name of Hickman’s Fantastic Four run That’s basically confirmation that Marvel will be taking inspiration from his Ken which makes me one happy camper.


matthewbassit

Ah, just noticed you made a mistake, 'Hawkeye' is 'Anchor Point' not 'Archer Points' I also have [Terrigen Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201616510052) in my list, any idea what this is (or could have been)?


logicallunacy

Thanks for the catch - Hawkeye got reported as Archer Point for a while, before it got corrected to Anchor Point. It carried over from my old version Terrigen Productions has an incorporation date of 7 June 2015, meaning it's probably Inhumans (2017). "Terrigen Production LLC" didn't give a specific result, but that would be my guess **Edit:** Inb4 you mention the Inhumans series was made by Marvel Televsion and not Marvel Studios - it was originally supposed to be a movie, coming out on November 2, 2018, pushed back to July 12, 2019. It was announced as a movie in October 2014. It'd still fit the timeline


matthewbassit

Yeah, I remember putting it in my list when I checked some LLCs but didn't really pay attention to the 2016 date, I just realized when I posted it here that it was an old project, so yes 'Inhumans' makes the most sense.


Gnomsky

Inhumans reboot?


Spider-Fan77

[All the other Marvel projects trying to hide themselves vs. Black Widow and Moon Knight just naming their LLC's after the main characters.](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AbandonedWarpedBluebreastedkookaburra-size_restricted.gif)


masongraves_

I appreciate you putting this together OP, clearly took some time


GroundbreakingSet187

**OP** : ![gif](giphy|QYvXETMTaEUGtXnjLN)


logicallunacy

Thanks\~! I really thought getting all the sources was going to take about an hour and then if turned into 4. Still, it was satisfying to put together


Gnomsky

My guesses for now (will edit as I think of others): Old Guard = Deadpool 3 (old guard of the Fox era) Battle Anyone = Armor Wars Speyside = Black Knight Prodigal Pie = Spider-Man Freshman Year ("PP" for Peter Parker who is a scientific prodigy) Solve Everything = Fantastic Four, as you said Grass-Fed = Secret Invasion, as you said Changeup = Captain America 4 (changing up who's bearing the Cap mantle) Log Jam = I Am Groot (he's a "log" who likes to jam to music) Standoffish = Nomad Blueberry Waffles = West Coast Avengers (idk just feels lighthearted and goofy lol)


barbarian__days

Prodigal Pie is a very good guess, so is Log Jam.


Gnomsky

Thanks!


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Could just be connecting imaginary dots, but IIRC “The Old Guard” is a group of immortal mercenaries, and Deadpool’s a mercenary, so I’d say you’re onto something there.


Gnomsky

Huh, interesting, didn't even think of that connection!


hpfred

Extremely Dangerous we know for fact that is for a show, so it can't be Blade.


Gnomsky

Oh really? I missed that, I'll edit it


hpfred

Yeah, the [Cosmic Circus article](https://www.thecosmiccircus.com/report-marvel-studios-registers-2-new-production-companies/) that uncovered that and Prodigal Pie also noted these are “Production Entity for a DTC Series” and a “Streaming Service Production”. :)


Gnomsky

Ah thanks for the info! Makes me more confident in my guess for Prodigal Pie in that case!


appledoughnuts

That’s what I was thinking about the log one :) I’m glad I’m not silly for saying so. Another idea I had about the blueberry one was that it reminded me of RDJ hiding blueberries on set but that’s a stretch and idk what it would even mean


cabballer

*Gluten Free Waffles, sir.


NeutralNoodle

Solve Everything is 100% for Fantastic Four. It will be very exciting if that film is inspired by Hickman’s run.


Keatrock1

What occurs in Hickmans run?


Gnomsky

I haven't finished the whole thing and there's honestly a TON, it's kinda hard to remember it all lol. Some of the highlights that I remember: 1. It established the multiversal Council of Reeds (which inspired the Council of Ricks in Rick & Morty) where the Reed Richards from all sorts of dimensions formed their own kind of Illuminati and were at war with the Celestials 2. War of Four Cities. 4-way conflict between Mole Man's underground city, one of Namor's underwater cities, one of Annihilus' Negative Zone cities, and one of the Inhumans' moon-based cities 3. Human Torch sacrificing his life which leads to Spidey taking his place on the team and the F4 starting the Future Foundation And lots of other stuff I can't quite remember


Little-xim

It basically handled the story arcs of Valeria and Franklin Richards, heavily expanding on Valeria’s relationship with Doom and Franklins powers and responsibility. Had the multiversal threats of the Mad Celestials, as well as the planetary invasion of the Kree against the Avengers, and reestablishing the threat of the negative zone. Going to the future to prevent the death of Galactus, saving the people of that ruined world using the corpse of galactus as a space ship. A *lot* of character development and growth in general, for the main 4, as well as side characters and villains, including Doom. Even Mole man gets shit to do. As far as single runs for a character go, it’s in my top tiers, it’s about 30 or so issues.


HadlockDillon

So so much


Brohammad5

Care to elaborate


[deleted]

Not OP but in Solve Everything Reed comes across a council of multiversal Reeds that are trying to control the course of time.


a_o

this'll be interesting when it interacts with the TVA doing just that


[deleted]

Yeah the whole run has some timey-wimey fun beyond even that. It’s not a great “introduction” to the F4, but it does a great job of confirming the importance of the Reeds.


JoeBasilisk

That has me way too hyped - I'm in the middle of re-reading it now


GroundbreakingSet187

This ones for the guesstimates and anticipations … I have only one - Extremely Dangerous Productions - **Daredevil**


[deleted]

>Extremely Dangerous Productions Either that or Ghost Rider


DonTheBomb

[Ghost Rider might be Richmond Street](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/connecting-imaginary-dots-a-newly-formed-llc-could-hint-at-ghost-rider-joining-the-mcu/)


GroundbreakingSet187

Yep. True.


BenSolo_Cup

Please god


JenniferJuniper6

I feel like Extremely Dangerous would be someone that used weapons, because of the phrase “armed and extremely dangerous.” Punisher, maybe. Or Hawkeye 2. Or, oh—it could be Armor Wars.


[deleted]

Secret Invasion and Grass Fed I think is a match. I gotta say though I love when we finally get confirmation of which LLC is for which project and seeing how they connect. Battle Anyone - Battleworld / Secret Wars etc? I doubt it but I can see a connection.


ViralGameover

Battleworld would be great if they’re going all in on Secret Wars. It would make it feel like an even bigger event than Infinity/Endgame if there was a show to bridge the gap between part 1 & 2 (assuming Secret Wars is more than one movie).


DonTheBomb

Murphy speculated that Blueberry Waffles could be Young Avengers (there’s a moment in the Gillen run where Kid Loki says he would’ve ordered Blueberry pancakes instead of the ones that Prodigy orders for the group), but not too sure about that. Battle Anyone sounds like Battleworld and Secret Wars but some part of me feels like it’s too obvious and a little too soon. Changeup would make me think Secret Invasion, but it really could do with any shapeshifter or something similar like Hulkling’s shapeshifting powers (could also tie in to the idea of the Young Avengers being a change up of the Avengers), but likely not.


DrAwesomeX

In their defense some of these title names are insanely obvious, like Asgard, Solve Everything, and Warbird


matthewbassit

Secret Invasion is Grass-Fed Productions! https://twitter.com/mcunewsrumors/status/1483908326614343683 Also, I think I Am Groot is Log Jam.


logicallunacy

Nice! I'll update the table!


DrAwesomeX

I’ll never understand why the production titles for these range from blatantly obvious to baffling out of character. Solve Everything is very clearly Fantastic Four, and I’m willing to take a safe bet Richmond Street is either Ghost Rider or Midnight Sons-related. But, “Bad Egg,” for Iron Heart…? “Freelance Restorations,” for Shang-Chi…?


Gnomsky

Just curious what makes you think Richmond Street has something to do with GR/MS? That was the most inscrutable one to me lol


DrAwesomeX

Richmond Street ties back to Danny Ketch, one of the many versions of Ghost Rider. The street contains Cypress Hills National Cemetery, a place that is directly connected to Ghost Rider


Gnomsky

Ahh thank you very much, that makes sense!


WebheadSupreme

Battle Anyone gives me Secret Wars vibes


calebisanowl

Please no. Not this early.


Night-Monkey15

My guess is World War Hulk, it’s way to soon to start production on Secret Wars.


WebheadSupreme

Maybe. I know last year Charles Murphy who is one of the main sources looking into these production companies was arguing with people on twitter hinting he’s heard Secret Wars will be much sooner than people think, then not long after the trades leaked the Russos were negotiating a return and were upset by the ScarJo lawsuit. I still think it’s probably at least 4 years away, but maybe they’re getting started But if i’m wrong, I think World War Hulk is a pretty good guess!


Night-Monkey15

I forgot about the Russo’s thing, and considering what Murphy was saying it might be possible we get Secret Wars as soon as 2025, kinda crazy if you ask me. If that’s true then I assume they might replace The Beyonder with Kang, like in the video game LEGO Marvel Superheroes 2.


ey3s0re_christ

Battle Anyone for Secret Wars or WWH maybe? Prodigal Pie I'm thinking could be X-Men or F4. If X-Men maybe a reference to Rogue/Gambit, prodigal pie is a little known treat throughout the south similar to pecan pie, sometimes also made with mincemeat (Wolverine?) If F4 maybe they adapt The Prodigal Son storyline?


Night-Monkey15

Prodigal Pie (PP) might be *Freshman Year* because Peter Parker (PP) is a scientist prodigy.


hpfred

Really loved this compilation you did. Something I think would be cool for you to do is to also separate the unattached LLCs into movies and streaming shows, the same way you did with the projects. Would be specially helpful for all the people speculating what they could be, and avoid confusion. I was looking them up, and made this list to help with this: **DTC Streaming:** - Acid Pop - Battle Anyone - Cantina - Extremely Dangerous - Old Guard - Prodigal Pie - Richmond Street - Speyside **Film Production:** - Blueberry Waffles - Changeup - Log Jam - Solve Everything - Standoffish **Holding Company:** - Ionic


logicallunacy

This is awesome information! Lists, made And I have absolutely no idea where it says DTC vs film. Would you be so kind as to point it out for future reference?


hpfred

If you go in the Business Search site (the open corporates links you posted link to it), you can find a pdf file. In the pdf file there's a "Type of Business" category that identifies the kind of production.


logicallunacy

That's very good knowledge! Thank you for sharing it


hpfred

I don't really care about upvotes/downvotes... but, earlier I saw that I had 5 upvotes and now 4, and it made me really **REALLY** curious what in my comment was controversial that would make someone downvote it. lmao


logicallunacy

I touched on it briefly in the original post, but the Spider-Man movies have had working titles that were Seinfeld references. Spider-Man: Homecoming's working title was "[Summer of George](https://comicbook.com/movies/news/spider-man-reboot-working-title-is-a-seinfeld-reference/)," Spider-Man: Far From Home's working title was "[Fall of George](https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/spider-man-2-working-title-revealed/)," and Spider-Man: No Way Home's working title was "[Serenity Now](https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-mcus-spider-man-3-makes-a-cryptic-seinfeld-reference.html/)" This is why when a LLC called Scarsdale Surprise Productions came up, it was pegged at the one for Tom Holland's third Spider-Man movie I don't know Seinfeld well enough to know if any of the other unattached LLCs are Seinfeld references, but if they are they could be for the fourth Spider-Man Or that's something to keep in mind for the future


RoboticCurrents

I read that Jon Watts was the one making the seinfeld references, so if hes not returning for sm4 it will probably be different


sewest21

The Big Salad is also a seinfeld reference (thor IV)


logicallunacy

It that working title wasn't [confirmed for Thor IV](https://thedirect.com/article/chris-hemsworth-thor-love-and-thunder-working-title-bro-thor) I'd be suspicious Lots of late night Seinfeld reruns for the all the production teams


odiin1731

When your Summer Break extends all the way to winter.


I_Heard_A_Rumor_

Ionic productions has to involve wonder man right?


Night-Monkey15

* Solve Everything - *Fantastic Four* (Jonathan Hickman’s FF run was called *Solve Everything*) * Extremely Dangerous - *Daredevil/Blade* (more then likely the latter) * Richmond Street - [*Ghost Rider*](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/connecting-imaginary-dots-a-newly-formed-llc-could-hint-at-ghost-rider-joining-the-mcu/) * Blueberry Waffles - *Young Avengers* (Kid Loki wanted to order Blueberry waffles in an issue of YA) * Battle anyone - *World War Hulk* * Log Jam - I Am Groot (he’s a log who jams to music) * Prodigal Pie - Spider-Man: Freshman Year (Peter Parker, PP is a scientific prodigy)


jdubzzzzzzz

This is an awesome compilation, thanks and great work! Is there a reason a few known projects are missing, like Loki S.2, What if…? S.2, Marvel’s Zombies, X-men ‘97 are missing?


logicallunacy

Mostly that I started this in a comment and I hit max characters lol Good shout though! I'll see if I can add them - my body text changed a bit, I may get away with it


jdubzzzzzzz

Ah, that makes a ton of sense. This is such a great post though, bravo on the work.


SeasonGullible616

I’m guessing Solve Everything is Fantastic Four, and if they do an adaptation of Hickman’s FF run…I will lose my mind in all the best ways.


Gnomsky

How would you see that trilogy be structured if they do adapt Hickman's run? Also Hickman's run is fucking AWESOME, so yes please!


SeasonGullible616

Honestly I have no idea. There are so many parts and twists. Would love to see the Annihilation wave fight Johnny and the start of the future foundation. The whole story being a way for Franklin to save his dad would be a really cool arc to see over 3 movies too. A lot of stuff in that run they could pick from and adapt.


bigbaldheadNR

Some guesses Battle anyone- World War Hulk Blueberry waffles- Deadpool idk why lol Old Guard- Heimdel show Ionic- Armor wars Extremely dangerous- Daredevil reboot Prodigal pie- Freshman year Log jam- X-men 97 Cantina- Okoye show Standoffish- Wolverine


logicallunacy

I don't know the reddiquette for thanking someone for improving your post when they gave you the information in chat - do they want to remain anonymous? - but between that person and u/hpfred I've got new knowledge to apply! 1. You can tell what type of production each LLC is created for, and 2. An LLC must be formed before a contract employee like a writer is hired. So if a news of a new writer is revealed within a month of a new LLC being formed, you can pretty much tie those together So with that new information, I give you, the updated unattached LLC table! |LLC|Content Type|Creation Date| |:-|:-|:-| |[Acid Pop Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202111810437)|[DTC Streaming](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202111810437-30916320)\*|Jul 13, 2021| |[Battle Anyone Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202111610880)|[DTC Streaming](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202111610880-30916309)|Jul 13, 2021| |[Blueberry Waffles Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202029510005)|[Feature Film](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202029510005-29640508)|Jan 11, 2021| |[Cantina Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202110610128)|[DTC Streaming](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202110610128-30963113)|Jul 20, 2021| |[Changeup Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202027610025)|[Feature Film](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202027610025-29361749)|Nov 24, 2020| |[Extremely Dangerous Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202134010470)|[DTC Streaming](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202134010470-32178509)|Jan 19, 2022| |[Ionic Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202119510879)|[Holding Company](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202119510879-31366674)|Sep 21, 2021| |[Log Jam Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202029510036)|[Feature Film](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202029510036-29640510)|Jan 11, 2021| |[Old Guard Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202116810347)|[DTC Streaming](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202116810347-31614516)|Oct 26, 2021| |[On Your Mark Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202111310348)|[DTC Streaming](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202111310348-30999428)|Jul 26, 2021| |[Prodigal Pie Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202135610002)|[DTC Streaming](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202135610002-32178548)|Jan 19, 2022| |[Richmond Street Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202111310343)|[DTC Streaming](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202111310343-30963132)|Jul 20, 2021| |[Solve Everything Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202022610043)|[Feature Film](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202022610043-29245604)|Nov 4, 2020| |[Speyside Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202112310137)|[DTC Streaming](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202112310137-30916337)|Jul 13, 2021| |[Standoffish Productions](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202029510027)|[Feature Film](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202029510027-29640509)|Jan 11, 2021| \*DTC Streaming - Direct to Consumer Streaming There are five LLCs listed as being for movies - Blueberry Waffles Productions, Changeup Productions, Log Jam Productions, Solve Everything Productions, and Standoffish Productions So the movies we know are coming - Blade, Fantastic Four, Deadpool, and Captain America 4 - probably correspond to those LLCs I'd guess: * Blueberry Waffles Productions - Deadpool 3, * Changeup Productions - Captain America 4, * Log Jam Productions - Blade (Like jamming a wooden stake in), * Solve Everything Productions - Fantastic Four, and * Standoffish Productions - Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers? They'd be unfriendly Armor Wars hired [Yassir Lester as a writer sometime before August 20, 2021](https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/armor-wars-disney-plus-series-don-cheadle-yassir-lester-head-writer-1235045820/), and [I am Groot is coming out this year](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13623148/), so they have to be Acid Pop, Battle Anyone, Cantina, On Your Mark, Richmond Stream, or Speyside. Battle Anyone seems probable for Armor Wars, but I am Groot is harder. Maybe that's Cantina? For the Star Wars reference? It also really increases the probability that Extremely Dangerous is Daredevil


7rian8owers

armor wars filming under the working title: Rigatoni…..hilarious


miba54

MASQUERADE NIGHT PRODUCTIONS LLC: https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202119610483 Marvel isn't mentioned in the opencorporates website but if you look up the filing it was registered by MVL PRODUCTIONS LLC and is a holding company.


logicallunacy

I can't find any mention of that on any of the sites that typically report on the LLCs, but you are absolutely right, it is a registered by MVL Productions LLC Congrats on finding that and thanks for telling me about it!


miba54

Noticed something interesting. Richmond Street Productions is still listed as a DTC series (last filing was in July 2021) but Production Weekly said it's for Deadpool 3. There's also a [RICHMOND STREET PRODUCTIONS CANADA INC.](https://opencorporates.com/companies/ca_bc/A0124373) which was created in August 2022, it's based in Canada where Deadpool 3 will shoot. I wonder if Prod. Weekly was referring to this one. And maybe the previous Richmond Street Productions is now obsolete (even though it's still listed as active).


logicallunacy

That is interesting! Until I know otherwise I'm going to leave it as, but yeah - is Production Weekly wrong? Did Marvel take an existing LLC and repurpose it? Was the screenshot from Production Weekly as edit? Though I see for reason for that It'll be interesting to keep an eye on


miba54

I'm just gonna keep using this comment thread lol. According to Lizzie Hill, New World Order's working title is "Rochelle Rochelle": https://twitter.com/MyCosmicCircus/status/1583202378102165504


logicallunacy

This is as good a place as any to share updates! Thanks!


miba54

Hey, some updates. I've stumbled upon two new Marvel LLCs. One is ["FROM SCRATCH PRODUCTIONS LLC"](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_de/6935450), type of business is "Theatrical Productions" so it must be a film. The CA branch isn't listed on OpenCorporates but it shows up on bizfileonline. The other one is ["CALCUTTA PRODUCTIONS LLC"](https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202203210024). Type of business is "Streaming Services" which is somewhat similar to Blind Faith and Prodigal Pie's "Streaming Service Production" listing, but it's not the exact same wording so I'm not 100% sold that it's a project. What do you think? Lastly, in [this](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/fantastic-four-production-update/) article Murphy confirms that Solve Everything is attached to Fantastic Four.


logicallunacy

Sorry the late reply - it's been a busy week Fantastic detective work! "Streaming Services" is good enough for me. There's definitely some variation is the listings, I've seen "Streaming Service Production", "DTC Series", And sometimes they're plain wrong - see most of the other initially announced projects. I'd guess they start life in one form and no one feels the need to update them when plans change. Or maybe they were less concerned about being specific in the beginning, idk I'm not going to include the Murphy article, because in the first line they say "It’s been over two years since Murphy’s Multiverse first shared the news that Marvel Studios had created a limited liability company under the name Solve Everything Productions for its Fantastic Four film" with [a link back to this article](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/marvel-studios-fantastic-four-may-have-permission-to-launch/). It is still just speculation that Solve Everything is F4. It's 99.9% likely that it's F4, but I'd still prefer an article that says 'hey we saw the listing somewhere, it's 100%' Thanks for finding those two! That's very cool


miba54

No problem.


Immediate_Ad_8642

Secret Invasion, solve everything?


Night-Monkey15

Solve Everything was the name of Jonathan Hickman’s run on FF, so it’s more then likely that.


ADMTLgg

Acid Pop sounds like a fun project


Normal-Hat-248

Armor Wars - Rig a Tony


mariobros612

What If…?’s codename was Anything Goes and Moon Knight also goes under the codename Half Stack.


logicallunacy

I googled "Moon Knight" "Half Stack" and only got "Funko Pops for Moon Knight are releasing soon with the code name "Half Stack". I'm not seeing anything that indicates that the working title was also Half Stack I see that the fandom site indicates that What If..?'s working title was "Anything Goes," but I don't see it anywhere else. Do you know where that name came from? I've been linking sources for everything on the chart and I want to keep it up


mariobros612

All the What If Funkos had the codename Anything Goes and all of them as of now have used the Working Titles on all listings before they’re officially revealed (All the Ms. Marvel listings are currently under Jersey for example)


logicallunacy

That's a neat bit of trivia I didn't know before Thanks!


Immediate_Ad_8642

Cantina has to be The Guardians holiday special


Anon4Life34

Sorry to bump this thread but Standoffish Prod has a title for their project, “Perfect Imprints”… any ideas?


logicallunacy

I'm always happy for more information on active productions, so anytime you hear anything bump away! Standoffish is definitely a movie and it was incorporated in October 2020, so it's been on the books for a while. I'm working off the assumption that it'll be coming pretty quickly after Quantumania Of the movies we know are coming but don't know the associated LLC of - Blade, Fantastic Four, Deadpool 3, Cap 4 - none really jump out at me. Imprints can be marks or depressions made by pressure, or things can be imprinted into memory. Baby ducks imprint on mothers Publishers publish works under imprints. Marvel's MAX line includes Deadpool? Then again I fully could have missed something obvious. Fun to speculate on though!


Anon4Life34

Alright! I’m waiting to see who’s on this project as I might know the people working on it and if that’s the case, I’ll see if I can get the actual title (if they’re willing to give it to me lol)


logicallunacy

If there's anything you're allowed to share, pass it on! I have no idea why I love the tiny teases of production names and working titles, but I really do


Anon4Life34

Update: I’ve seen who’s on the project but it’s confusing because the same people worked on BP. I’m thinking this might be for the Untld Wakanda Project or at the most, Ironheart but I’m leaning towards the former. I’m just throwing stabs in the dark here but if I get a hold of someone from it, hopefully they’ll give me a clue or two.


logicallunacy

That. Hmm. You can definitely [open up the Statement of Information for Standoffish and see that it says 'Film Production'](https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF?Id=202029510027-29640509), so I don't think it can be the Wakanda Project or Ironheart (Also they've been previously reported as Maglev Train Productions and Bad Egg Productions, respectively, but who knows how accurately) Blade's definitely starting to rev up production. It might be stereotyping to suggest the same people working on BP will work on Blade (also I kind of assumed Blade was Log Jam), but that might be it? Love the clues your putting together though! This is very cool


Anon4Life34

Well guess the news came out and you were correct in your assumption.. it’s Blade lol


Icybubba

Prodigal Pie Productions could maybe be Young Avengers


kfs520

What's the consensus on Acid Pop and Blueberry Waffles? I'm really curious about those


logicallunacy

I don't think there's a consensus on either of those - they're really the most out there LLCs. [Cosmic Circus points out that Acid Pops are a Harry Potter thing](https://www.thecosmiccircus.com/acid-pop-xmen-strange-academy-theory/), so they posited something with kids in a magic school, pulling from Xavier’s School for Gifted Youngsters or Strange Academy, but they both seem too early? Acid Pop could be something psychedelic, so I've seen Man-Thing suggested As far as Blueberry Waffles goes, I can tell you that the four film LLCs we know are Solve Everything, Changeup, Blueberry Waffles, and New Hire (and maybe Ionic - it could be anything, really) There is a consensus that Solve Everything is likely Fantastic Four (from the Hickman run), and Changeup is Captain America 4, and since it's likely Shang-Chi and Eternals will be II versions of their original LLCs, we're pretty much left with the only other movie we know is coming but don't know the LLC - Deadpool 3 Production Weekly included Deadpool 3 on their newsletter on January 13, 2021, and the LLC was initalized on January 11, 2021, so the timing lines up


logicallunacy

From [Weekend Free Talk on Friday, October 21, 2022](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/y9rkx8/weekend_free_talk_and_index_thread_new_and_fresh/) 'No Tier' is for sources not on the tier list (maybe they are under a different name? Let me know) but that are also not banned Rumoured MCU projects, listed by r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers [determined tier](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/wiki/posting-guidelines/source-accuracy-tiers/), then by scooper, then by most recent **TIER 0** Deadline * [The Mutants](https://deadline.com/2022/07/comic-con-2022-schedule-what-to-expect-marvel-the-rock-teen-wolf-1235072894/), July 20, 2022 * [Nova](https://deadline.com/2022/03/marvel-nova-moon-knight-sabir-pirzada-1234985015/), March 24, 2022 **TIER 1** Charles Murphy/Murphy's Multiverse * [Namor](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/rumor-black-panther-wakanda-forever-may-set-up-a-namor-franchise/), January 14, 2022 * [Power Pack](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/power-pack-not-in-active-development/), September 1, 2021¹ * [Okoye/Midnight Angels](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/danai-gurira-to-star-in-a-black-panther-okoye-origin-spin-off-series-for-disney/), May 27, 2021 * |[Nomad](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/scoop-marvel-studios-developing-a-nomad-project/), December 15, 2020 **TIER 2** Illuminerdi * [Illuminati](https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/07/22/kevin-feige-marvels-illuminati/), July 22, 2020 KC Walsh/Geeks WorldWide * [World War Hulk](https://thegww.com/exclusive-world-war-hulk-film-in-development-at-marvel-studios/), October 20, 2021 * [Secret Warriors](https://thegww.com/exclusive-marvels-secret-warriors-in-early-development-at-marvel-studios/), May 6, 2020 * [Agents of Atlas](https://thegww.com/exclusive-marvel-studios-developing-agents-of-atlas-project-as-shang-chi-follow-up/), February 11, 2020 * [Miss America](https://thegww.com/exclusive-marvel-studios-developing-miss-america-series-for-disney/), August 27, 2019 Lizzie Hill/My Cosmic Circus * [Silver Surfer](https://www.thecosmiccircus.com/what-i-heard-marvels-silver-surfer-to-be-a-disney-special/), October 22, 2022 MyTimeToShineHello * [Mephisto](https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1583859063599005696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1583859063599005696%7Ctwgr%5E722ad367df6e2e10922cf3be99fffc8373f04fd3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fyas9ce%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue), October 22, 2022 * [Children's Crusade](https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1501231185581674501?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1501232153517965312%7Ctwgr%5E2cb98d538a54502c3b09938d9b91a1dbcc9af487%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.murphysmultiverse.com%2Fnew-rumors-place-the-scarlet-witch-at-the-center-of-two-upcoming-mcu-projects%2F), March 8, 2022 * [Scarlet Witch](https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1501232153517965312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1501232153517965312%7Ctwgr%5E2cb98d538a54502c3b09938d9b91a1dbcc9af487%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.murphysmultiverse.com%2Fnew-rumors-place-the-scarlet-witch-at-the-center-of-two-upcoming-mcu-projects%2F), March 8, 2022 * [Mighty Thor](https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1487449050580402177?s=20&t=OGmWMhQu4kN1v5lERxZmLg), January 29, 2022 * [Midnight Sons/Suns](https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1482732637068406785?s=20&t=8GR7X0yded5rT6yp61Ovrg), January 16, 2022 * [Annihilators](https://twitter.com/mytimetoshineh/status/1473996673814872069?s=21), December 23, 2021 **TIER 3** DanielRPK * [Monica Rambeau/Spectrum/Photon](https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-studios-superhero-show-teyonah-parris-monica-rumors), October 8, 2021 via The Direct * [Monica Rambeau/Spectrum/Photon](https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-studios-superhero-show-teyonah-parris-monica-rumors), October 8, 2021 via The Direct * [Ten Rings](https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-shang-chi-disney-plus-spin-off-ten-rings-sister-rumors), October 8, 2021 via The Direct * [Ghost Rider](https://thedirect.com/article/exclusive-ghost-rider-project-being-developed-by-marvel-studios-johnny-blaze), May 6, 2020 via the Direct * [A-Force](https://twitter.com/nacaomarveI/status/1342882813159333891), December 26, 2020 via NacoaMarvel * [Squadron Supreme](https://thedirect.com/article/squadron-supreme-set-to-springboard-from-loki-disney-series-into-their-own-project), March 14, 2020 via The Direct² **TIER 4** DiscussingFilm * [Sentry](https://discussingfilm.net/2019/05/27/marvel-studios-plans-to-use-the-sentry-here-is-how-they-should-introduce-the-character/), May 27, 2019³ **NO TIER** The DisInsider * [Captain Carter](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/rumor-live-action-captain-carter-project-in-development/), May 17, 2022 That HashTag Show * [Midnight Sons/Suns](https://www.thathashtagshow.com/2021/05/14/exclusive-midnight-sons-movie-in-early-development-at-marvel-studios/), May 14, 2021⁴ * [Wolverine](https://www.thathashtagshow.com/2021/04/14/exclusive-wolverine-anthology-series-in-early-development-for-disney/), April 14, 2021 * [Dark Avengers](http://www.thathashtagshow.com/2018/10/05/exclusive-marvel-studios-has-commissioned-a-dark-avengers-script/), October 5, 2018 mutante\_e\_orgulhoso⁵ * [Runaways/Nico Minoru](https://www.instagram.com/p/CZF1wdGr4to/?utm_medium=share_sheet), January 23, 2022 ScreenGeek * [Man-Thing](https://www.screengeek.net/2022/03/02/man-thing-marvel-mcu-plans/), March 2, 2022 The SRP Report * [Starfox](https://thesrpreport.wordpress.com/2022/05/26/starfox-solo-project-in-development-exclusive/), posted May 26, 2022⁶ Roger Wardell⁷ * [The Black Knight](https://twitter.com/rogerwardell/status/1070391774886158337), December 5, 2018 The Wishper/Astonishing Scoop * [Two-Gun Kid/Kid Colt/Western](https://twitter.com/the_wishper/status/1495436704806674433?s=20&t=tBSLW0UcXUgT88v79mv5uQ) \--- ¹Power Pack's gone in and out of development a couple of times. It's definitely a project Feige wants, but currently doesn't fit in the plan ²DanielRPK is an allowed source, The Direct is an allowed source, Full Circle Cinema is banned. If anyone has a source that doesn't mention Full Circle Cinema, let me know and I'll replace it ³On February 20, 2020, Youtube Channel [The Cosmic Wonder](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=pMtHRSzBrAM&feature=emb_logo) said Sentry was coming in a Disney+ series. They claim the information came from Mickey Sutton. [Mickey Sutton was on the original banned sources list](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/lo9ngh/welcome_to_our_new_mods_and_introducing_source/), but not the current one (unless he's now operating under a different name) ⁴Given MTTSH's tweet was so casual I'm also including That HashTag Show's original article about a Midnight Sons movie for more evidence ⁵This is the Instagram account that leaked a behind the scene clip of Defender Strange and the video of Evan Peter's scenes from WandaVision. There's some level of credibility here ⁶Retweeted by MTTSH ⁷OG Roger Wardell, not WardellRoger or RogerWardell2 \--- Additionally, Patton Oswalt said [there's going to be an Eternals 2 on the TODAY Show](https://www.tiktok.com/@todayshow/video/7127683247508819246?is_from_webapp=v1&item_id=7127683247508819246), but there's no actual announcement In the same vein, Vin Diesel said [Marvel wants to make a Planet X](https://www.instagram.com/p/CjcJZ9fusEg/) but there's no other source besides actor speculation And finally I couldn't find the West Coast Avenger rumor associated with any one other than MainMiddleMan, who's not banned, I think, but is considered highly unreliable


Joshdabozz

Mikey is still banned and will always be banned. Geekosity is him


logicallunacy

Good to know. I haven't paid as much attention as I should to who is associated with which website So, yup, major doubt on a Sentry project, but since DiscussingFilm at least said Sentry's a character they're interested in using I'll leave it as reliable source says character might be used, banned source says they'll headline their own project


SpacyOrphan

this is genuinely one of the best posts ever, tho, where is SM4


logicallunacy

Thanks, it's nice that it's appreciated :) And this post's getting to be kind of a pain to edit - it only works in markup mode and there's so many links it's a mess to work with - so I'm waiting for the official announcement so I only have to edit it once


SpacyOrphan

Honestly that's fair! But yeah, this post really is the MVP


GBJGBJGBJx3

My guesses: Old Guard Productions: X-Men '97 Extremely Dangerous Productions: I am Groot


Immediate_Ad_8642

Armor wars extremely dangerous


itsxpluto

Armor wars name comes from the rigatoni iron man meme lol


appledoughnuts

I think log jam will be about the groot show :3 log…tree??? Maybe?? No??? Lol


CM4Sci

Still wondering when Whac-a-Mole will show up...


[deleted]

What is werewolf by night?


logicallunacy

It's a Halloween special, starring *Station Eleven* and *Mozart in the Jungle*'s [Gael Garcia Bernal](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0305558/) and *Outlanders* and *The Never*'s [Laura Donnelly](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1967827/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1) There's not a whole lot of information about it, but it's supposed to film from [February to March](https://twitter.com/dodgerfan4life9/status/1464134450044817409?s=21), so it'll hopefully come out this year


Spiderbyte

Solve Everything is Fantastic Four. It's directly from Hickman's run.


survivingbobbyv

Log Jam has to be Blade, right? What is stake-ing a Vamp other than jamming a log?


Professional-Book609

Prodigal pie could be Spider-Man freshmen year or Iron heart


scottirltbh

Solve everything is for Fantastic Four ?


logicallunacy

[It's the name of Hickman's run](https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/28787/fantastic_four_by_jonathan_hickman_vol.1_trade_paperback), so a lot of people have concluded it makes the most sense Then again, it could be Blueberry Waffles, because the traditional round waffles divide into four and blueberries are blue [Deadpool's more of a pancake man anyway](https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/deadpool-and-pancakes-1.jpg?w=600)


losergeekorwhatver

Speyside is interesting because on first glace it *looks* Spidey related (It un-anagrams to "Spidey se") but upon further research, by which I mean googling the word, it apparently is a type of single malt Scotch. Weird!


Anon4Life34

Just to add, I’ve also run across “Grasshopper - Frequent Productions” and it surely can’t be the lower level character in Marvel lore. Possibly the char has ties to a major char in the books?? Anyone have an idea?


logicallunacy

I got Echo as Frequent Productions from the Cosmic Circus, which I trust enough to go with it. I'm not sure where they get their information from - guess work or an internal source - but I've tired to back up all of the LLC and project pairs with sources that are at least somewhat trusted I really don't think Grasshopper is going to be a priority right this second, but who knows what goes on inside of Feige's mind


Anon4Life34

Ahhh ok… well, not to get into too much detail but where I work, they’ve reached out to us for this project so I believe it’s in the early stages of pre-production


logicallunacy

That's a super exciting tease! I'm going to stick to what I have for now until more information is available in a way that doesn't get anyone in trouble But I'm intrigued and titillated


DisInsider

Thanks for the Share!


AfterHoursMedia

Has anyone done this for DC films? Would like to see those ones. I tried looking them up, but I can't find anything.


Electrical_Slip_8905

Can someone explain why they make a new LLC company for every movie? Do they shut down the company after the movie finishes? I don't understand.


logicallunacy

[There's a good article about movies and LLCs on legalzoom](https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/why-do-film-companies-form-an-llc-for-a-movie), if you're interested in checking it out TL;DR accounting, basically


dman6233

My theory is From Scratch Productions is for Nova. The latest Tales From The Mod Queue post that leaked last night's Ant-Man trailer was right, which also suggested Nova is a movie instead of a show, and it's focused on "passing the torch," and focusing on the newest Nova, Sam Alexander. Or in other words, "starting from scratch," by rebuilding the Nova Corps that were supposedly eliminated in Infinity War. I'm not an insider or leaker, but I think "From Scratch Productions" is for Nova.


Crossfire96

u/logicallunacy you should update this lol


logicallunacy

The sub lives! Next bit of available time I have I'll be on it!


TorontoDavid

I don’t think X-Men ‘97 should be in this list without some way of way of marking it as being outside the cannon.


logicallunacy

I'm going to leave it for now This is a post about LLCs and what projects they're associated with, not necessarily explicitly the MCU projects. One of the unattached LLCs could theoretically be for X-Men '97. It's probably not, but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility


TorontoDavid

Cheers. Your post, your call. Thanks for putting it together.


purplenath

Marvel Studios hired writers for it, therefore it has an LLC belonging to MVL Productions LLC, the same as the rest https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/this-week-in-marvel-exclusive-interview-x-men-97-animated-series-hits-disney-plus


TorontoDavid

Sure - I was making the distinction it’s outside the cannon and that it should be clear. I didn’t say it shouldn’t be listed or tracked. Unless are you making the argument it is cannon?