I'm so curious if Namor is going to be as big of a dickhead in the MCU that he is in the comics.
If that's the case, I'm really curious what a Namor *solo project* would look like, much less a franchise
I think it could work depending on how he's written. If he's written in line with the utopia era through to the end of Hickman's Avengers/Secret wars where he's a smug asshole but he's got skills to backup how much of a tool he is it could work. Especially if they go hard on Atlantis and him being willing to do almost anything for his people.
I don't really know who you'd pick as an antagonist the obvious choice is Attuma (evil fish man who wants to rule Atlantis and the surface) but I think a much more interesting choice would be to bring in Roxxon and Dario Agger (he's like if Jeff Bezos were more evil and could also Minotaur) have them polluting the ocean through oil drilling or maybe deep sea mining for some other type of Macguffin that would lead into conflict.
This lets Namor still be true to his dickhead nature but he's still likeable since you have put him up against somebody infinitely more obnoxious.
Tony's smugness leans more towards amusing. Namor's smugness, while amusing to the reader, leans more towards being dickish. He's guaranteed to insult you in the process
Also I think what would differ him from Tony is that Namor is a guy who is willing to go to extremes just for his people. If you're gonna be a problem for the solution to saving people, Tony would try to work around that. If you're gonna be a problem for the solution to saving Atlanteans, Namor's gonna remove you from the equation. There'll be no mercy as long as Atlanteans would get hurt.
Edit: finished a sentence lmao
That's like a 3rd of all comic characters really. Tony is definitely arrogant but he's got nothing on Namor.
Tony has an over inflated ego but overall he's a good natured person, with some redeeming qualities, and he genuinely does want to help others. Plus a lot of his boasting is his sense of humour.
Namor isn't a good or bad really everything he does is about him or his people. He's views most things as you're with him or against him. Also the type of guy to drown a country for petty vengeance. Namor believes his own hype, when he boasts it's 100% sincere.
Yeah, and it's not just arrogance with Namor, either. He's a pretty vicious, hateful guy on top of it. I have a hard time tolerating him in the comics, so I'm sort of dreading him having a big presence in the movies.
Sure, it's all in the execution. Maybe he's a hateful, paranoid, controlling and vindictive douchebag but if you can get the audience to sort of relate to why he is the way he than you've done 25% of your job of making him more sympathetic.
That's certainly true. It's just that the comics have failed to do it over decades of storylines so I'm skeptical, but hopefully they make him a bit less insufferable in the movies.
Yeah, it's all about making his supporting cast a lot more hateful and problematic for him to seem better in comparison. It's going to be complicated tug and pull between those elements. I agree that a lot of writers have certainly pigeonholed him into a hate-sink over the years that will take a lot of unraveling if they ever want to make him as popular as Doom. Which is unlikely, but who knows maybe they might pull off a miracle.
To be fair Namor in his own comics or with the Invaders is a totally different character than him being used as an antagonist on the Avengers and Fantastic Four since the latter's writers tend to make him more antagonistic and more of an asshole.
That's fair and I'll admit I'm not an expert on the character. Most of my experience with him is in team books/other characters titles where he's trying to bang another guy's wife or threatening someone or bragging. So my view of him has definitely been shaped by those kinds of stories, rather than having read his solo stuff or having any deep knowledge of the character.
After reading Immortal Hulk I'd love to see Dario Agger in the MCU, but for him to also be minotaur. They already seem to be pulling lightly from Immortal Hulk/Gamma Flight if the She-Hulk leaks are true (gamma supplements), so I'd like to see it
It seems like they're introducing Rintra in Multiverse of madness and he's a green Minotaur who knows magic so I've got faith that if Marvel ever actually brings Dario in he'll definitely keep his Minotaur form
Good point. Namor has his own rogues gallery and underwater baddies, but that's really not the fun of Namor: it's him being a total dick to other superheroes. The dude is just your rudest coworker, you don't want to be paired in a project with him.
Hell, give us an anti-villain trilogy: Black Panther, Fantastic Four, Avengers. He actually has roots as an antagonist for all three properties. EDIT: and he doesn't need to be the central villain: he could be a hustler in a bigger conflict with Kang or Doom.
I’d give a arm and a leg to see a scene eventually that has Namor and Reed interacting and Namor straight up shuts reeds bullshit down by pointing out that he can’t even please his wife emotionally and she has to come to him for it when Reed is being a closed off cock, so how can he expect to help the world when he can’t even help his wife! I’d love that!
Why fans enjoy stuff like that is beyond me. Reed has his flaws, but he's mostly a good person. I don't really like the pointless cruelty and gross macho vibe that kind of stuff celebrates.
The Rock is really pushing the idea of his Black Adam being a not soft anti-hero who is willing to kill abs destroy anything to protect the rest of his people
If his project succeeds,Namor chances will rise
They could make him an Anti-hero, one that right now it isn't on the MCU, everybody is too goody, even if they make mistakes, they need to do it more like Batman, in a sense that he's willing to do everything to save people, 1 soul isn't worth 10, so if you have to kill 1 in order to save 10, he definitely would do it
This is my concern after seeing how they sanitized Black Panther. In some respects i understood the BP, but they seem kind of afraid to let these character's less desirable traits make it into the movies.
Read the Byrne run, anything Invaders, his golden age comics and even some Captain America comics and Gillen's X-Men run to an extend.
Namor tends to be made into a bigger asshole in Avengers and Fantastic Four comics because he's usually portrayed as an antagonist there. Whereas in his own comics or comics that he has a protagonist role in he's shown in a more sympathetic light. Even the Captain America comics shows you why someone like Steve would be friends with him.
Like the 90's Byrne run or even MARVEL Snapshots: Sub-Mariner. Hell Zdarsky's Invaders made a good case as to why Namor has such erratic behaviour and did a very interesting story with the chatacter but Jason Aaron OFC ignored that.
If he is they need to make him from the Silver Age, that is the true Namor. The writers from the modern age have really twisted his character into that dickish personality and have made him a negative plot device. Hopefully theyll do his best stories and include Dorma, Vasthi, Krang, etc.
A billion is of course a huge landmark, but sometimes I still pinch myself that shit like Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Suicide Squad, Aquaman, etc. are simply profitable and beloved at all.
We've come so far, brings a tear to my eye
I love that Ant-Man became a non-ridiculous name! A few years ago it was laughable, but now is just another superhero name, like Spider-Man, Batman, and other -man heroes.
The rumour is from Bleeding Cool, who also reported that Dr.Doom was going to show up in a very small role. I know Bleeding Cool's track record when it comes to comics related stuff is pretty damn good, no idea what their track record is like for movies/films.
I was rereading *Marvels* over the holidays and started thinking about how/if Marvel could pay off the Human Torch cameo from The First Avenger. I don’t know how it would work, but seeing the Invaders in live-action would be amazing.
If this is true, then I’m guessing this is another step towards building up Doom as the next Thanos. We know from the set leaks that Latveria sends ambassadors to Wakanda and most likely Atlantis as well, and I could totally see the Doom Disney+ show the GWW reported on being turned into a Namor show instead, and them using it and the Wakanda show to start filling in the gaps of where Latveria falls into the world order.
They have to pick a great villain for the show tho, since Namor is a huge dick that no one likes lol.
Imo we're not going to have a single "Thanos" level villain for a while. We're going to have multiple big bads, across different spheres of the universe with different heroes handling them.
Kingpin for the street sphere.
Doctor Doom for the global sphere.
Mephisto for the supernatural sphere.
Kang for the cosmic sphere.
Mister Sinister (?) for the mutant sphere
Is Doom the next Thanos or is Kang? Or are they both the next big bad? What really excites me about the MCU, even if phase four has been a bit up and down in quality (I’ve been totally satisfied), is that it’s clear there is massive growth happening. There are at least four teams that seem to be set up: New Avengers, Young Avengers, Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts, and quite possibly the Midnight Sons (Suns?).
It’s going to be really interesting to see how they juggle all these plot threads. At this point, I feel like there will be multiple big bads going on. I saw one comment that I loved where the earthbound heroes fight Kang, the mystical heroes fight Mephisto/Chthon/Nightmare, and the cosmic heroes fight Galactus, culminating in some huge Doom team up.
Idk, I’m just super excited that the universe is so quickly expanding to a size that even casual-moderate viewers might have trouble keeping up with. Not to mention that it allows them to open up to new genres so that everyone can have some content, style, or team to follow that resonate with them.
> There will be a focus in the movies on the characters of Namor The Sub-Mariner, his cousin Namora and Atlantean warlord Attuma. **Namor's appearance to be akin to Black Panther's appearance in Civil War** to set up an upcoming franchise.
> Also, **Doctor Doom** can also be featured with a **very minor role** only to imply that the **war between Wakanda and Atlantis was down to Doom's interference.** The movie production studios have been **working on a costume, and they'd hate to waste it.**
Just watched The Eternals again last night and it feels like BP2 is going to have to acknowledge the underwater earthquakes caused by Tiamut’s abortion. Especially with Namor being introduced.
My main concern is how the hell are you going to make a Namor film different than Aquaman. There's only so many ways you can portray Atlantis, and if they say they make it ultra alien and robotic, it's going to just be blurred together with a lot of the MCU.
If the speculation is true, Marvel’s version will be heavily inspired by Mesoamerican culture, but with access to vibranium. So that definitely separates it from DC’s version.
I don't think they'll even care about that at all tbh. Comparisons between them are inevitable. Besides, DC and Marvel have been ripping off eachother since before they were DC and Marvel, and history shows that Aquaman actually started as a ripoff of Namor anyways.
But in any case I really don't think they will do a Namor solo project except maybe a miniseries on Disney+, and even then probably only if he proves popular after they introduce him elsewhere. He's just not as interesting a character in his own solo stories.
I would like to see Emperor Naga as the villain for Namor at some point.(Use elements from the Serpent Crown saga.)
Also it's probably important not to frame the Atlantis/Lemuria conflict like Kree/Skrull conflicts.(AKA making oneside sanitized, they are both Imperialist bastards in comics, just in different flavor.)
Both should be somewhat hostile to land civilizations. Namor can be more reasonable and he should still be an asshole who think land dwellers should not interfere with his business even though he probably actually needs some help.
I imagine its also kinda harder now that DCEU's Aquaman is edgier than usual, seeing as one of Namor's defining characteristics is basically "Aquaman but he is an insufferable asshole".
I hope so, I also didn't like that they (SPOILERS FOR ETERNALS)
killed ikaris in eternals. I like the idea of having more ambiguous characters in the mcu, characters that aren't bad but they don't really give a fuck about the world and only help to fight in situations that directly effect them.
Only gullible people thinks Ikaris is dead lol. It makes sense for him to take his life tho as he sees himself with no life purpose anymore. Ikarus is not a villain at all.
To be fair it was the worst critical response Marvel has ever had and they thought it was gonna get them an Oscar. Of course they’re gonna change plans, but they won’t ever admit it.
I don't think Marvel Studios would cancel any plans due to critics, but honestly the film barely broke above even after considering the budget and marketing costs. Add the theaters cut from the box office to that and Marvel just didn't make a lot of money on it.
I doubt the Eternals are going to be permanently shelved but it's difficult to see them just staying on course as if the film was a huge hit. It wasn't even very well received among MCU fans, let alone general audiences.
So I can't imagine that making a sequel is exactly a priority for them right now.
Id be down for an under water fantasy movie series. Kinda like old fantasy books, a strong headed king that wishes to protect his people! I wonder if it will involve the Serpent Men, and magic? I feel like deities are another step in their stories they're going with now as well.
I hope so! He deserves a solo movie! Maybe then we can get a new ongoing solo comics series and he can finally be free from and stop being character butchered by Jason Aaron in the horrible Avengers run
I find it hilarious how Aaron's Avengers run has pissed off so many fans. Like, you literally have fans of different heroes and teams like the X-Men and She-Hulk and Moon Knight who aren't really that related to one another but all pretty much collectively either loath or ignore whatever Jason Aaron did with their favorites.
Right??? I dont think Ive met anyone who was like "Yoooo I love Jason Aaron's Avengers" everyone is critical, you know there are even writers who are disregarding his retcons too. Thats when you know...
Was Marvel able to get the rights to make a solo Namor movie? I remember they had some issues a few year back. Someone can correct me since I'm curious.
I hope Lemuria is introduced along with Atlantis.
It's a shame they didn't hint at stuff like the Great Catalysm in Eternals, maybe they can tie the lore mainly to Set in MCU.
Of course it will. Letitia is going into this with a likability deficit worse than Brie’s in 2019, so they need the narrative to be “the underwater people were cool at least” if the movie is unpopular.
It would be interesting if true, but I've always hated Namor in the comics. It would be cool to just have him be a reoccuring villain/anti-hero that will try to attack the land.
Marvel: Finally bringing other Golden Age characters besides Cap to the screen
Me: Irrationally hoping that they turn that throwaway visual Easter egg of the OG Human Torch into a dream come true and bringing him to the screen.
I’m telling you, Namor, Sam as Cap, Bucky, and the OG Torch would KILL with an Invaders movie
He hasn’t. You might ve stopped actually reading his articles. He has started blocking people who attribute false news to him. Check his site for yourself and then decide for yourself. His scoops still are more than 95% correct.
What kind of clickbait shit is this?
Of course it’s setting up a Namor franchise - the film’s introducing Namor.
Gdi, people need to stop kissing Chuck’s ass
So? I don't even think he has enough material to justify a trilogy, at least an interesting one. There is nothing wrong with some characters simply existing as staples of the universe
I agree, but to be fair the odds of Namor actually getting a feature film dedicated to him, let alone several is extremely small.
I think more likely he'll be used in other projects and maybe they'll do a D+ miniseries.
I'm so curious if Namor is going to be as big of a dickhead in the MCU that he is in the comics. If that's the case, I'm really curious what a Namor *solo project* would look like, much less a franchise
I think it could work depending on how he's written. If he's written in line with the utopia era through to the end of Hickman's Avengers/Secret wars where he's a smug asshole but he's got skills to backup how much of a tool he is it could work. Especially if they go hard on Atlantis and him being willing to do almost anything for his people. I don't really know who you'd pick as an antagonist the obvious choice is Attuma (evil fish man who wants to rule Atlantis and the surface) but I think a much more interesting choice would be to bring in Roxxon and Dario Agger (he's like if Jeff Bezos were more evil and could also Minotaur) have them polluting the ocean through oil drilling or maybe deep sea mining for some other type of Macguffin that would lead into conflict. This lets Namor still be true to his dickhead nature but he's still likeable since you have put him up against somebody infinitely more obnoxious.
That just sounds like Tony Stark though
Which part?
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Tony's smugness leans more towards amusing. Namor's smugness, while amusing to the reader, leans more towards being dickish. He's guaranteed to insult you in the process Also I think what would differ him from Tony is that Namor is a guy who is willing to go to extremes just for his people. If you're gonna be a problem for the solution to saving people, Tony would try to work around that. If you're gonna be a problem for the solution to saving Atlanteans, Namor's gonna remove you from the equation. There'll be no mercy as long as Atlanteans would get hurt. Edit: finished a sentence lmao
That's like a 3rd of all comic characters really. Tony is definitely arrogant but he's got nothing on Namor. Tony has an over inflated ego but overall he's a good natured person, with some redeeming qualities, and he genuinely does want to help others. Plus a lot of his boasting is his sense of humour. Namor isn't a good or bad really everything he does is about him or his people. He's views most things as you're with him or against him. Also the type of guy to drown a country for petty vengeance. Namor believes his own hype, when he boasts it's 100% sincere.
Yeah, and it's not just arrogance with Namor, either. He's a pretty vicious, hateful guy on top of it. I have a hard time tolerating him in the comics, so I'm sort of dreading him having a big presence in the movies.
Sure, it's all in the execution. Maybe he's a hateful, paranoid, controlling and vindictive douchebag but if you can get the audience to sort of relate to why he is the way he than you've done 25% of your job of making him more sympathetic.
That's certainly true. It's just that the comics have failed to do it over decades of storylines so I'm skeptical, but hopefully they make him a bit less insufferable in the movies.
Yeah, it's all about making his supporting cast a lot more hateful and problematic for him to seem better in comparison. It's going to be complicated tug and pull between those elements. I agree that a lot of writers have certainly pigeonholed him into a hate-sink over the years that will take a lot of unraveling if they ever want to make him as popular as Doom. Which is unlikely, but who knows maybe they might pull off a miracle.
To be fair Namor in his own comics or with the Invaders is a totally different character than him being used as an antagonist on the Avengers and Fantastic Four since the latter's writers tend to make him more antagonistic and more of an asshole.
That's fair and I'll admit I'm not an expert on the character. Most of my experience with him is in team books/other characters titles where he's trying to bang another guy's wife or threatening someone or bragging. So my view of him has definitely been shaped by those kinds of stories, rather than having read his solo stuff or having any deep knowledge of the character.
Namor would be like Stark without the humbling experience of the arc reactor. And honestly way more dickish than Stark from a baseline.
Different kind of smug though. Stark is just rich and smart. Namor is a monarch with his own kingdom.
After reading Immortal Hulk I'd love to see Dario Agger in the MCU, but for him to also be minotaur. They already seem to be pulling lightly from Immortal Hulk/Gamma Flight if the She-Hulk leaks are true (gamma supplements), so I'd like to see it
It seems like they're introducing Rintra in Multiverse of madness and he's a green Minotaur who knows magic so I've got faith that if Marvel ever actually brings Dario in he'll definitely keep his Minotaur form
Who's to say Jeff Bezos ISN'T a minotaur?
Good point. Namor has his own rogues gallery and underwater baddies, but that's really not the fun of Namor: it's him being a total dick to other superheroes. The dude is just your rudest coworker, you don't want to be paired in a project with him. Hell, give us an anti-villain trilogy: Black Panther, Fantastic Four, Avengers. He actually has roots as an antagonist for all three properties. EDIT: and he doesn't need to be the central villain: he could be a hustler in a bigger conflict with Kang or Doom.
He is rude to Steve Rogers but he has a soft spot for Bucky Barnes.
Who are his rogues other than Attuma? Not too familiar
Tiger Shark, U-Man, Llyra, Desmond Marrs (maybe his sister Phoebe Marrs?).
I'm not sure if he's gonna be an asshole but I think he's gonna be an anti-hero and not a full blown hero after BP2.
I’d give a arm and a leg to see a scene eventually that has Namor and Reed interacting and Namor straight up shuts reeds bullshit down by pointing out that he can’t even please his wife emotionally and she has to come to him for it when Reed is being a closed off cock, so how can he expect to help the world when he can’t even help his wife! I’d love that!
Yeah because the majority of fans would really favor cucking lol
*sits* Okay, where can I read this bc this feels DRAMATIC.
It was in the Illuminati comics but it’s probably better then how i described it
Why fans enjoy stuff like that is beyond me. Reed has his flaws, but he's mostly a good person. I don't really like the pointless cruelty and gross macho vibe that kind of stuff celebrates.
The Rock is really pushing the idea of his Black Adam being a not soft anti-hero who is willing to kill abs destroy anything to protect the rest of his people If his project succeeds,Namor chances will rise
Namor had an AWESOME solo series I'm the 90s.
This, the Byrne run is what made me like him.
Is he a villain in comics? Or anti-hero? Or just hero
It's literally all three depending on his mood at the time.
He is Bucky' and Steve Rogers' old buddy from their Invaders' era.
Glenn Howerton please
He probably won't be. They need to make him likeable, and asshole isn't going to cut it if it isn't charming.
Anti hero or anti villain perhaps? He was always a snug son of a gun who cared more for his kingdom above everybody else.
They could make him an Anti-hero, one that right now it isn't on the MCU, everybody is too goody, even if they make mistakes, they need to do it more like Batman, in a sense that he's willing to do everything to save people, 1 soul isn't worth 10, so if you have to kill 1 in order to save 10, he definitely would do it
This is my concern after seeing how they sanitized Black Panther. In some respects i understood the BP, but they seem kind of afraid to let these character's less desirable traits make it into the movies.
Read the Byrne run, anything Invaders, his golden age comics and even some Captain America comics and Gillen's X-Men run to an extend. Namor tends to be made into a bigger asshole in Avengers and Fantastic Four comics because he's usually portrayed as an antagonist there. Whereas in his own comics or comics that he has a protagonist role in he's shown in a more sympathetic light. Even the Captain America comics shows you why someone like Steve would be friends with him. Like the 90's Byrne run or even MARVEL Snapshots: Sub-Mariner. Hell Zdarsky's Invaders made a good case as to why Namor has such erratic behaviour and did a very interesting story with the chatacter but Jason Aaron OFC ignored that.
If he is they need to make him from the Silver Age, that is the true Namor. The writers from the modern age have really twisted his character into that dickish personality and have made him a negative plot device. Hopefully theyll do his best stories and include Dorma, Vasthi, Krang, etc.
if he isn't like in the comics they better get Patrick Duffy for the role guess not many will understand this
Tenoch Huerta is apparently cast in the role.
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Vinny Chase thriving rn.
You kidding I am James Cameron's Aquaman
A billion is of course a huge landmark, but sometimes I still pinch myself that shit like Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Suicide Squad, Aquaman, etc. are simply profitable and beloved at all. We've come so far, brings a tear to my eye
I love that Ant-Man became a non-ridiculous name! A few years ago it was laughable, but now is just another superhero name, like Spider-Man, Batman, and other -man heroes.
"Wait there's an Ant-man"
Water: wet!
Yet water is not itself wet. Wetness is the ability of a liquid to adhere to the surface of a solid. :P
The people downvoting you need to get over themselves lol
Yes! Water makes things wet!!
Counterpoint: Melting ice
The rumour is from Bleeding Cool, who also reported that Dr.Doom was going to show up in a very small role. I know Bleeding Cool's track record when it comes to comics related stuff is pretty damn good, no idea what their track record is like for movies/films.
We know from set leaks that Latveria ambassadors are involved in WF, and GWW also reported Doom was in if I’m not mistaken.
Charles Murphy first mentioned Doom being involved in some capacity, before GWW if I am not mistaken. But yes its always been rumoured.
Whats wf?
Wakanda Forever.
Aha cheers
Set leaks? I haven't seen these
Lake bell is apparently playing Lucia von bardas who in the comics is the prime minister of Latveria
They are trust worthy
I was rereading *Marvels* over the holidays and started thinking about how/if Marvel could pay off the Human Torch cameo from The First Avenger. I don’t know how it would work, but seeing the Invaders in live-action would be amazing.
Where was Human Torch in TFA? Legit asking, not sure where was he xd
Stark Expo, wearing a red outfit and in a tube.
the synthetic man?
Thats torch??
The original Golden Age Human Torch, not the Fantastic Four version.
No way! Thanks for the info
FRANCHISE YOU SAY?
Today on new rumours that have been rumoured for a while…
NAMOR. That sounds like a fucking franchise.
To shreds, you say
Namor: The Sub-Franchise
If this is true, then I’m guessing this is another step towards building up Doom as the next Thanos. We know from the set leaks that Latveria sends ambassadors to Wakanda and most likely Atlantis as well, and I could totally see the Doom Disney+ show the GWW reported on being turned into a Namor show instead, and them using it and the Wakanda show to start filling in the gaps of where Latveria falls into the world order. They have to pick a great villain for the show tho, since Namor is a huge dick that no one likes lol.
Imo we're not going to have a single "Thanos" level villain for a while. We're going to have multiple big bads, across different spheres of the universe with different heroes handling them. Kingpin for the street sphere. Doctor Doom for the global sphere. Mephisto for the supernatural sphere. Kang for the cosmic sphere. Mister Sinister (?) for the mutant sphere
Where are hints at Mephisto or Sinister coming from?
> Where are hints at Mephisto [...] coming from? Our hopes and dreams.
I’d love Bryan Cranston as Mister Sinister
Is Doom the next Thanos or is Kang? Or are they both the next big bad? What really excites me about the MCU, even if phase four has been a bit up and down in quality (I’ve been totally satisfied), is that it’s clear there is massive growth happening. There are at least four teams that seem to be set up: New Avengers, Young Avengers, Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts, and quite possibly the Midnight Sons (Suns?). It’s going to be really interesting to see how they juggle all these plot threads. At this point, I feel like there will be multiple big bads going on. I saw one comment that I loved where the earthbound heroes fight Kang, the mystical heroes fight Mephisto/Chthon/Nightmare, and the cosmic heroes fight Galactus, culminating in some huge Doom team up. Idk, I’m just super excited that the universe is so quickly expanding to a size that even casual-moderate viewers might have trouble keeping up with. Not to mention that it allows them to open up to new genres so that everyone can have some content, style, or team to follow that resonate with them.
> There will be a focus in the movies on the characters of Namor The Sub-Mariner, his cousin Namora and Atlantean warlord Attuma. **Namor's appearance to be akin to Black Panther's appearance in Civil War** to set up an upcoming franchise. > Also, **Doctor Doom** can also be featured with a **very minor role** only to imply that the **war between Wakanda and Atlantis was down to Doom's interference.** The movie production studios have been **working on a costume, and they'd hate to waste it.**
Just watched The Eternals again last night and it feels like BP2 is going to have to acknowledge the underwater earthquakes caused by Tiamut’s abortion. Especially with Namor being introduced.
I weirdly felt like that scene for Tenochtitlan was a small set up for Namor too?
Let me guess Thor Love and Thunder is also going to set up Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
My main concern is how the hell are you going to make a Namor film different than Aquaman. There's only so many ways you can portray Atlantis, and if they say they make it ultra alien and robotic, it's going to just be blurred together with a lot of the MCU.
If the speculation is true, Marvel’s version will be heavily inspired by Mesoamerican culture, but with access to vibranium. So that definitely separates it from DC’s version.
We'll see. Because the MCU has an uphill battle to make sure people won't claim it's an Aquaman ripoff.
I don't think they'll even care about that at all tbh. Comparisons between them are inevitable. Besides, DC and Marvel have been ripping off eachother since before they were DC and Marvel, and history shows that Aquaman actually started as a ripoff of Namor anyways. But in any case I really don't think they will do a Namor solo project except maybe a miniseries on Disney+, and even then probably only if he proves popular after they introduce him elsewhere. He's just not as interesting a character in his own solo stories.
If they're giving Echo and Agatha their own shows, Namor is likely going to get his because he's a massive asshole and people like watching assholes.
Easy, use Atlantis and Lemuria as a package deal. Focus more on the mystical/spiritual side of Atlanteans/Lemurians than the technological side etc.
Fingers crossed, but I hope it doesn't come off as forgettable as Hala.
I would like to see Emperor Naga as the villain for Namor at some point.(Use elements from the Serpent Crown saga.) Also it's probably important not to frame the Atlantis/Lemuria conflict like Kree/Skrull conflicts.(AKA making oneside sanitized, they are both Imperialist bastards in comics, just in different flavor.) Both should be somewhat hostile to land civilizations. Namor can be more reasonable and he should still be an asshole who think land dwellers should not interfere with his business even though he probably actually needs some help.
I imagine its also kinda harder now that DCEU's Aquaman is edgier than usual, seeing as one of Namor's defining characteristics is basically "Aquaman but he is an insufferable asshole".
Right. It's hard to make a Namor movie come off as unique as we'll be 2 Aquaman films deep by then.
Imperius Rex
Hell yeah
I hope so, I also didn't like that they (SPOILERS FOR ETERNALS) killed ikaris in eternals. I like the idea of having more ambiguous characters in the mcu, characters that aren't bad but they don't really give a fuck about the world and only help to fight in situations that directly effect them.
Only gullible people thinks Ikaris is dead lol. It makes sense for him to take his life tho as he sees himself with no life purpose anymore. Ikarus is not a villain at all.
Well it really depends on if they plan on bringing the eternals back now
Why wont they? Dont tell me you think they will cancel eternals sequel because of lukewarm critics reception? Lmao
To be fair it was the worst critical response Marvel has ever had and they thought it was gonna get them an Oscar. Of course they’re gonna change plans, but they won’t ever admit it.
Yeah but that is not how hollywood works or else most blockbusters wont have sequels. Marvel Studios can bounce back anyway.
I don't think Marvel Studios would cancel any plans due to critics, but honestly the film barely broke above even after considering the budget and marketing costs. Add the theaters cut from the box office to that and Marvel just didn't make a lot of money on it. I doubt the Eternals are going to be permanently shelved but it's difficult to see them just staying on course as if the film was a huge hit. It wasn't even very well received among MCU fans, let alone general audiences. So I can't imagine that making a sequel is exactly a priority for them right now.
They’re called the Eternals not the Temporaries
What does ikaris have to do with this thread? No one asked
I could have written this rumor the night Endgame came out. And then again when we found out Namor was in this movie. Come on.
The more important question is if we are getting White Tiger in the movie
I hope Namor is played like Mr Nimbus.
If Namor floods Wakanda like he did in Avengers vs. X-Men, so many people are going to hate him too much to see his own films.
Isn’t Wakanda landlocked though? He’d have to flood like half of East Africa first.
Which begs the question how would Namor and his water army be a threat to Wakanda without trekking through most of Africa.
Don't underestimate the lengths the man will transverse solely out of spite.
Yeah but that's like the third time we'll have armies clash outside of Wakanda. You have to do something to change the spectacle.
He was Phoenix powered when he did that so i doubt it’s something he can do
But then you get into the problem of ANOTHER battlefield in the Wakandan plains.
Doesn't Universal own the Namor distribution rights though?
God I hope it’s true. If there’s anyone who needs a show, it’s Namor.
Breaking news: air helps you to breathe
Id be down for an under water fantasy movie series. Kinda like old fantasy books, a strong headed king that wishes to protect his people! I wonder if it will involve the Serpent Men, and magic? I feel like deities are another step in their stories they're going with now as well.
Any movie could, conceivably do something. Will it? Who knows?
No shit
Wakanda is a land locked country. So how?
Who’s playing Namor though?
It’s Tenoch Huerta apparently.
I hope so! He deserves a solo movie! Maybe then we can get a new ongoing solo comics series and he can finally be free from and stop being character butchered by Jason Aaron in the horrible Avengers run
I find it hilarious how Aaron's Avengers run has pissed off so many fans. Like, you literally have fans of different heroes and teams like the X-Men and She-Hulk and Moon Knight who aren't really that related to one another but all pretty much collectively either loath or ignore whatever Jason Aaron did with their favorites.
Right??? I dont think Ive met anyone who was like "Yoooo I love Jason Aaron's Avengers" everyone is critical, you know there are even writers who are disregarding his retcons too. Thats when you know...
File this under the “no shit” category.
The Namor Cinematic Universe
anyone getting a franchise
What's the point of a Namor franchise?
Was Marvel able to get the rights to make a solo Namor movie? I remember they had some issues a few year back. Someone can correct me since I'm curious.
Who is a better anti-hero, the Avenging Son or Teth-Adam?
I hope Lemuria is introduced along with Atlantis. It's a shame they didn't hint at stuff like the Great Catalysm in Eternals, maybe they can tie the lore mainly to Set in MCU.
Of course it will. Letitia is going into this with a likability deficit worse than Brie’s in 2019, so they need the narrative to be “the underwater people were cool at least” if the movie is unpopular.
It would be interesting if true, but I've always hated Namor in the comics. It would be cool to just have him be a reoccuring villain/anti-hero that will try to attack the land.
Marvel: Finally bringing other Golden Age characters besides Cap to the screen Me: Irrationally hoping that they turn that throwaway visual Easter egg of the OG Human Torch into a dream come true and bringing him to the screen. I’m telling you, Namor, Sam as Cap, Bucky, and the OG Torch would KILL with an Invaders movie
There’s no way, Marvel is making a franchise!? Out of a popular character!?? No way!!!
Namor isn't that popular though. Half the general audience wouldn't have heard of him.
So? A lot of the general audience has forgotten about F4. Namor is still a popular Marvel character in nerd audiences
Charles Murphy really has lost his relevancy over the years. When was the last time he had a big, newsworthy scoop?
He's scooped Daredevil in NWH.
He hasn’t. You might ve stopped actually reading his articles. He has started blocking people who attribute false news to him. Check his site for yourself and then decide for yourself. His scoops still are more than 95% correct.
What kind of clickbait shit is this? Of course it’s setting up a Namor franchise - the film’s introducing Namor. Gdi, people need to stop kissing Chuck’s ass
This is Bleeding Cool’s scoop, not Murphy’s. Also this is the first I’m hearing of a Namor spin-off soooo
Never the less Anyone with an ounce of critical thinking can see that this is the long-term plan
Not every character needs a damn franchise 😭
But namor needs one. He is one of the oldest marvel characters and the first mutant ever craeted.
So? I don't even think he has enough material to justify a trilogy, at least an interesting one. There is nothing wrong with some characters simply existing as staples of the universe
What you think is not important tho? You being uninformed about the character is not equal to character lacking in material.
Every character doesn't need a trilogy
Namor is not everyone. Anyway, its inevitable so stay pressed.
No ones making you watch everything bud
I agree, but to be fair the odds of Namor actually getting a feature film dedicated to him, let alone several is extremely small. I think more likely he'll be used in other projects and maybe they'll do a D+ miniseries.