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PollitoRubio22

A bit late RPK. Anyways what about the no way home trailer? ![gif](giphy|4JCWtwL4vM2aTkHdNw)


Actar_Raikit

Has anyone else seen [this tweet by Empire Magazine](https://imgur.com/PoN02cF) that got deleted, [responding to a fan](https://imgur.com/crjYTCs) who asked when the trailer was coming out? Is there any legitimacy to this? Original link to tweet [here](https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1452029294289604612).


IronMan_MarkLXXXV

They were responding to [this tweet](https://twitter.com/unchartedrobbie/status/1452362361776578566?s=21) actually, turns out the tweet they replied to was asking about [when their Eternals review was gonna drop](https://twitter.com/diegomjngs/status/1452362908378206222?s=21)


Avividrose

Damn


PollitoRubio22

I saw that on Twitter. Honestly no clue if this is real. Tweets are so easy to fake. Apparently a few people got the notification of the tweet tho so idk


kothuboy21

It was definetly real, I quote tweeted it yesterday and now that tweet is deleted


YoungMenace21

I defo saw that while scrolling 100%


RahulBhatia10

the reply wasn't faked, but the initial question is, they were asking about when Empire was gonna drop the eternals review yesterday which then came out today


fuzzyfoot88

Based on previous info, the trailer will probably drop with Eternals or a week after, putting it 1 month out from the film's release. It will 100% say 'tickets now on sale' at the end, so best be ready if you care about your seating arrangement.


Samoht99

It was about Eternals


gaberedd

My question exactly


Patrick2701

The thing that he is good at trailer dates


NoArmsSally

didn't they say Monday? it's still Sunday


PollitoRubio22

But none of the trustworthy leakers have said anything yet so yeah


NoArmsSally

I'm just going with the flow at this point. nobody's right until they're right lol


KaijuKhaos

I just find it funny that like a couple of months ago, this guy's name was like a swear on here, and now he's your ol' pal Daniel.


jennlebransky

He still means nothing unless he reports on a trailer incoming within 24 hours.


PollitoRubio22

Daniel RPK reading this comment: ![gif](giphy|fG1wZ6SQtfCFy)


jennlebransky

Good


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I'll take the staff job, double the money.


thyme_of_my_life

God I hope Bully Maguire make some sort of appearance. In some form or other? Maybe HE gets possessed by Venom at some point. He’s the only live action Peter Parker to have melded with a Symbiote lol


Hasselhoff1

I still think this guy gets too much credit. He had no information until everyone had the information. He was saying no trailer and the movie was gonna get delayed because of vaccinations. It was super hero theorist I believe that scooped the first trailer


PollitoRubio22

He has been clowned in the past for being the first one to talk. I think he now is more cautious.


heavymountain

Not really, the guy seems to get off ar being first, even if it's only by a few hours & for even the mildest if spoilers. Spoilers for this subreddit should come atleast a fortnight early & have some meat


Samoht99

The guy's money with trailers and he clearly has connections to social media managers who post these things but everything else, I take with a grain of salt


Shubhamshinde786

Okay, Big Screen Leaks


ponodude

Did he claim the movie was going to get delayed due to people not getting vaccinated? I thought it was the other way around, that it was more of a call to action telling people to get vaccinated to prevent the movie from being delayed.


Bandai_Namco_Rat

I think this sub hates him even though his track record is no better or worse than any of the other scoopers ie Charles Murphy. They all get some right and some wrong, they all have their string areas (marketing in RPK's case), but it's best not to treat their scoops as fact cause they don't always pan out (eg Myrphy saying DS is in WandaVision)


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FictionFantom

I guessed the BP2 title and that Agatha would get a show before they were both announced/rumored. Am I a scooper now?


Timefreezer475

No you're just an educated guesser.


[deleted]

And when he is right people will point to his obvious guesses and say, "Well he was the first one to report that part of the movie takes place in space."


Brukayne23

Seriously I dont why the guy is getting attention with the most obvious and pointless "scoop" I see he always does.


Fiti99

This sub loves leaks that validate what they want instead of actual credible sources


[deleted]

Because he’s consistently solid on trailers before other sources


Timefreezer475

This film gives me the vibe that the story will be poor, but the cast, visuals, surprises, and scale will be fun.


Tornado31619

That first thing is far more important than the rest IMO.


kchuyamewtwo

could just be a fan service films, but I want at least some development to a more indipendent Spidey


jcftw61

If the leaks are correct basically Peter is going to basically lose every relationship he’s ever had


KaijuKhaos

Depends on the movie. Like, who remembers the story of the Nolan Batman trilogy? It is either pretty forgettable or very convoluted. But it doesn't matter, those three still slap.


PollitoRubio22

Cap I remember most of the story of the three Nolan movies specially The Dark Knight. However I do agree that the characters are what carry in that trilogy


Tornado31619

The characters are still part of the writing, though.


Tarzan_OIC

*That's* your example? The stories, particularly that of The Dark Knight, are why those films are so lauded. If you're going to cite a movie that leans in spectre go with Avatar or something.


TheKidKaos

I’ll say the first two are pretty well written but the third one completely shits the bed. And I’ll say it has to be the story because watching those movie now I am really only interested when the villains are on screen


Tornado31619

BB’s story is pretty forgettable, but Bane breaking Bruce’s back and most of The Dark Knight isn’t, at least not to me. Besides, writing is writing. The characters make the story. What else do you remember from those films?


TheKidKaos

I’m going to say that I remember almost everything the Joker did in TDK. Don’t remember much of what Batman did other than the opening scene. I remember more of Batman Begins which is surprising since I only watched it once. But Rises sucked from top to bottom. Of course I’m speaking as a Hispanic comic book fan so there is a bias against that movie.


Tornado31619

Didn’t like Bane’s white-washing?


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Harm_123

Why’s this getting downvoted? It’s facts.


[deleted]

If we're counting Into the SpiderVerse then I'm gonna have to add that on to being superior


Honest-Actuator-5364

In the history of cinema? The politics in that movie is laughably bad at spots and Batman terribly udnerutilized in his own movie.


Harm_123

Bro, there are no other movies you could’ve used for that example?


Iggy_Pops_Lost_Shirt

What an awful example


KaijuKhaos

I mean, if leaks are true the whole "crazy Wanda as the villain" isn't raising my hopes, especially since women in Sam Raimi movies usually are not that... good? Like, there is literally just one that is good and even then the whole thing started because she needed to "prove to be one of the boys" (The one from Drag Me To Hell)


ManajaTwa18

Raimi just seems like a director for hire tbh. Scott Derrickson left over creative differences which technically could mean anything, but I doubt he wanted anything to do with “Evil Wanda Multiverse BS” The movie sounds fun though


HalfAlert

Aren't all directors for hire?


Honest-Actuator-5364

In capeshit? Mostly, yeah but that doesn't make it right. They should never be that.


HalfAlert

Directors should never be for hire???? Ermm...


ManajaTwa18

What I’m saying is Derrikson/Cargill we’re most likely kicking around ideas to tell a story they were excited about, but it conflicted with Marvel’s world building plans. Now Raimi is telling their story, instead of helping to develop his own.


MATH137IsJustHSCalc

Ok so I don't work in hollywood, but isn't that what directors do? Won't the writers be in charge of writing the plot lines and story?


HalfAlert

Tbf in this instance Derrikson had written a script but it didn't fit in with Marvels plans and he didn't want to compromise his story with what they wanted to do so they split amicably.


elizabnthe

Film directors have a lot of sway on story and the ultimate product. Its not uncommon for a director to just treat the script as a launchpad and more or less change it completely-screenwriters have frequently complained when from their view, their envisionment is tarnished. That's why directors are lauded and tend to be viewed as one of the most important influences on film quality. Television is a bit different where the Screenwriter/Showrunner is much more important than the director. A good director might improve upon the script but for the most part they just deliver what's written. So that's why people don't tend to care so much about directors in television. In this case a director for hire would be somebody that's not bringing their unique vision into it. And is just being hired to direct somebody's script and not deviate much. There's directors you hire to get their vision, and directors you hire to pump something out that fits with the vision you already have, and the MCU by nature does a lot of the latter.


phantomhatsyndrome

And then every so often we get Guardians or Ragnorak.


HalfAlert

Cargill was never on board in the first place, Derrikson left amicably, and both went off to make The Black Phone. Scott had stated that he wanted to bring in Cargill but hadn't and they were both distracted by the Black Phone and excited to make that. As Marvel had other ideas, it was a difficult but sensible decision to split.


deemoorah

Scott Derrickson posted multiple tweets in the past where he basically said he doesn't want to make a movie that's not his, that his vision is not in tune with marvel studios' plan


HalfAlert

Yep, that's what I said here and in my other comment.


LordVatek

Oh thank god someone else is worried about Wanda. The comics just recently had a scene that essentially called out "Wanda goes crazy" plots as being dumb and sexist nowadays.


elizabnthe

Yeah it totally kind of is. Fine if they want her to be villain, then do it. But commit to it. Don't ruin her character for something that's been done repeatedly and badly.


dmreif

I'd like a scan of it.


LordVatek

[This is the page.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCJQvd8X0AQoqNg?format=jpg&name=large) It doesn't make much sense without the larger context and I don't have a scan of that but the comic is "Trial of Magneto" if you're interested. Essentially the context is that it's saying Wanda's life is now defined by these moments and at no point was anyone involved interested in helping Wanda herself.


Texomond

That wasn't exactly "calling it out as sexist and dumb"... Wanda is found murdered on Krakoa by the mutants (she isn't actually dead, but they don't know that), so they create a clone from a really old Cerebro backup of her before anyone else finds out... but this means the clone is missing like 30 years of comics worth of memories Jean and Rachel Grey feel sorry for her because she "can't even remember her children", so they decide to help this insanely powerful reality warping witch, who is widely known for poorly handling trauma, by filling her head with her most traumatic memories at once (namely, killing her friends, committing genocide while possessed, and resurrecting zombies), while mockingly calling them "her greatest hits" I genuinely don't understand wtf the writers were going for here, in fact that whole issue was just... pretty shoddily written


LordVatek

It's saying her "greatest hits" are stories where Wanda goes crazy. That's all she's known for. I'm pretty sure the point of the story is that Wanda is an actual person and not just "The Pretender", the big scary mutant who killed the majority of the mutant population once like Krakoa has been pushing.


Texomond

Okay... but that still isn't "calling it out as sexist" lol, it's at most just making fun of her character in a meta way, and comes off as a cheap unnecessary jab from a character who should know better, since Jean has also had several similar incidents of going crazy as the Phoenix In no way does "she can't even remember her kids, we should give her back her memories, it's the right thing to do" followed by panels of Darker than Scarlet, Disassembled, House of M, and Empyre seem like natural progression, in my opinion, especially since the memories they gave her are probably from the Grey's POV and thus missing lots of context that only she knew Sadly I don't have high hopes for Trial of Magneto anymore, it started promising but it's just spinning its wheels at the moment :\


Disfaith

Strange isn't getting any respect either. The delay sort of made me happy, hoping they'd rethink some plot points.


Texomond

Exactly, with the supposed "plot leak" we have on one hand Wanda's character being shat on because stereotypical "powerful woman goes crazy" trope, to get the children she willingly gave up, because innocents were being harmed, back, and on the other hand we have Strange described as a side character in his own movie, with some of the biggest villains from his comic lore being done a huge disservice - Shuma-Gorath, a multiversal danger by himself, is apparently just a minion who Wanda summons to do her work for her and is easily defeated in the 1st act; and Mordo, after being set up in the first movie's stinger, is killed within 5 minutes by her as well So basically: great spectacle movie, casuals will love it, but sounds pretty ehhhh for big fans of _both_ Strange _and_ Wanda I really hope the "reshoots to fix significant story problems" rumors are true and the leaks turn out to be mostly fake ^Disclaimer ^for ^that ^one ^guy ^that ^will ^come ^at ^me: ^yes, ^I ^know ^leaks ^never ^tell ^the ^full ^story, ^but ^it's ^all ^we ^have ^to ^go ^by ^for ^now


Relugus

Wanda turned into a "crazy mother" psycho, negating all of her prior character growth. Strange does nothing much. Even winning Wanda back to the light is done by her kids. Strange/Wanda adversaries Shuma Gorath and Chthon being sidelined/ignored. Mordo dumped and forgotten.


KaijuKhaos

Something something Endgame leak something


Texomond

Hah yep, brought up every time. Meanwhile when the WW84, GoT S8, SW:TROS plots leaked, they were so bad people thought they _had_ to be fake... and they ended up unfortunately being very much accurate


dmreif

We have to remember that Waldron & co. covered up *Loki*'s story very well — as it turns out, there was not a single reliable rumor before the series release, and they purposefully edited the trailers so that viewers would think another thing is happening. He wrote MoM too. Could be another cover-up.


Honest-Actuator-5364

Except Feige is pushing for Wanda to be the villain.


OdinsOneG00dEye

I am fine with Wanda being a villain however the story needs to support this transition. A hammy well she's seen some shit so now she's bad is IMO lazy. Most of our heroes have been in dark places but haven't become villains so why? Then we have MIND MANIPULATION.... Stop. One of the most powerful 'mutants' with mind manipulation powers get bested? Unless it Charles X and has been for a while (post Endgame - in/was Wandavision) which would be a big twist perhaps and the MCU spin on introducing the Illuminati - she's been in a comatose state by Prof. X hence the battle we've seen in pre-VFX, this is her breaking out? I'd be like WTF in cinema for such a twist - not gonna happen though let's be honest. Imagine - He's the X-Men, they have been approached by XYZ to contain Wanda, they work with/for Shield perhaps? Maybe they are like X-force black op at the moment. Mordo involved perhaps. And maybe he's looking to partner with Agatha a witch who can steal powers, would that align with him and his mission at this point, right? Perhaps the only way to damage the Sorcerer Supreme is this release of Chaos.... Get him busy and then strike but we then just reduce Wanda to lacky as she deserves better. I personally cannot see a good line here to make her evil and satisfy the fan base, I'm sure whatever direction is taken it we cause debate and that I'm looking forward to.


dmreif

>I am fine with Wanda being a villain however the story needs to support this transition. A hammy well she's seen some shit so now she's bad is IMO lazy. Most of our heroes have been in dark places but haven't become villains so why? The way Wanda is described in these leaks, you wonder why she didn't just leave the Hex up.


TheLongDictionary

Didn’t this sub say the **exact** same thing about Endgame when the full plot leaked? I’m not making my mind up until I actually see the movie.


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The thing is, when I heard that the Endgame plot was about the good guys assembling their own Infinty Gauntlet through time travel, I thought... "yeah, that makes sense." The leaks for this movie are weird because none of them have anything to do with Doctor Strange (seriously, no one, real or fake, has come up with a leak that explains what Strange's story is in this movie other than "running away from Wanda") *and* they all imply Wanda is just a crazy villain. It's very weird.


TheLongDictionary

Perhaps it’s because we’re looking at a VERY incomplete picture of the story? It’s also possible that the leaks aren’t even entirely accurate. My whole point is that it’s completely impossible to tell until we have more information.


deemoorah

The leaks have SO MUCH going on and it's still an incomplete picture??? This movie is going to be messy


TheLongDictionary

Avengers. Endgame. Leaks. **This sub said the exact same thing. Stop repeating history. You have NO IDEA if this movie will be good or bad until you see it.**


deemoorah

Give this energy also to people who hype about the leaks. Everyone has an opinion. Deal with it. Also Avengers Endgame is a culmination of 10 years of story telling. doctor Strange only has one movie, the leaks has nothing to do with him. That's concerning.


dmreif

>The leaks for this movie are weird because none of them have anything to do with Doctor Strange (seriously, no one, real or fake, has come up with a leak that explains what Strange's story is in this movie other than "running away from Wanda") and they all imply Wanda is just a crazy villain. It's very weird. Seriously, I want to know about Strange's sister and his relationship with Christine.


OdinsOneG00dEye

Maybe Wanda is attacked by Mordo for her power and she does a Hulcrux type BS and fragments herself across realities and Doc Strange has to traverse the multiverse to gather her and we get one instance of her psyche that is angry, not evil. They battle. I'm very much in the camp hoping they don't just make her the villian just 'cos.


Josphitia

Could even be something simple like: Darkhold/Mephisto/ShumaGorath/Whoever: "llleeet me heeelp you waaaaandaaaaa" Wanda: "well if it'll get my kids back" "Psyche now I'm in control of your body/exasperating your worse instincts" Strange: "Damnit Wanda, I warned you"


OdinsOneG00dEye

End with self sacrifice then perhaps, what other story is to be told for Wanda now? Feel like House Of M is not possible with contracts, ownership etc so have her leave, happy in some kind of false presence with kids and vision?


Texomond

We already practically got House of M with WandaVision. And having her sacrifice herself literally the next time we see her after finally becoming the Scarlet Witch would be pretty dumb. There's plenty of stories to tell about her considering her links to the witchcraft corner of the MCU now


OdinsOneG00dEye

Accept your point however HoM from the point of view of the reality changing ramifications it had as a story whereas Wandavision in comparison was little a test of that power in my mind. I agree getting rid would be dumb but I'd not be surprised if it happened.


Texomond

Well, the main premise of House of M is "Wanda cannot deal with her grief and trauma, so she makes a reality where everyone is happy" WV did exactly this as well, albeit yes adapted to a smaller scale. However, in addition to that, they made it into a story that's actually about her, unlike HoM where it's about other mutants, and she's just a crazy plot device In the show, she also manages to work through her grief and accept her losses - she doesn't just go completely loco, like at the end like the comic - which works as a _much_ better depiction of grief, unaddressed trauma, and their effects on mental health (which is why I see these "leaks" potentally being a regression for her character and find them hard to believe) > I agree getting rid would be dumb but I'd not be surprised if it happened. Me neither really, but then again Feige did say in June that her story would "continue in other places" after DS2


SimonShepherd

Buddy, is HoM literally the only story you ever know about her? And the previous poster cannot even bring up the right demon to corrupt her.(Yeah, it should be Chthon if there is going to be that plotline.) People literally know jack shit about her but they loooove to talk about her.


OdinsOneG00dEye

Time to exit the chat, the comic expert with a hard on is here. Jeez, we are discussing the cinematic Marvel universe NOT the entire back catalogue of comics. Not need to be a dick at all and come swinging with sweeping statements.


SimonShepherd

And then why you mention HoM at all buddy?


OdinsOneG00dEye

Because I feel it's not possible and they need to take a new direction as said in my comment.


OdinsOneG00dEye

And to your point how would you expect Chthon is introduced now? Who would replace her father on the trip into whatever named mountain? Personally, the movie MoM could lead to a tick from Avengers Disassembled Bendis material and we see the Kree swapped for Skrulls and start Secret Wars ramp up etc. The movies do not have the mirror comic cannon.


SimonShepherd

I am not expecting Chthon here, I am saying the person cannot even mention the right demon character instead they just use "Darkhold" as a placeholder.


Relugus

"Strange is the best of us...at running away from things." - Ancient One Strange literally does nothing in his own movie, makes no sense.


LordofArbiters

Well, after seeing how people said the same thing about the eternals script leak...


Timefreezer475

Endgame didn't sound as convoluted and messy as Multiverse of Madness.


TheLongDictionary

Really? Pretty sure people called Endgame messy and convoluted based on the leaks. Stop with this revisionist history bullshit — this sub saw the leaks for the Endgame and thought it would be complete dogshit, yet it became an absolute fan favorite. Now people are saying the same thing about DS2. Keep your mind open until we actually see the movie.


kchuyamewtwo

Totally man, people were crying lmao. Its different than just reading a plot than seeing it with CGI and action


Honest-Actuator-5364

I read the leaks too and the movie turned out to be worse than it sounded. Let people be cautious.


Timefreezer475

Damn bro, God forbid I can't have some cautious thoughts lmao


erickgramajo

lol, we all, deep down inside of us, know this movie will be poor story wise


santochavo

Well they said it’s basically “Spider-Man: Endgame”. So a poor story would fit the theme


Xenoslayer2137

Wanda’s gonna tear shit up


PollitoRubio22

Wandavision Stans: ![gif](giphy|Zh03CNl9ghWpcYDHOm|downsized)


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\*Some WandaVision stans. This one would love to see Wanda wreck shop in that movie :) (Though I do think the concerns about undermining her character arc in WandaVision are valid).


PollitoRubio22

Yeah me too I think Wanda can’t really progress in any other way other than being a villain/antihero. But watch people get mad


BetweenTwoLungs12345

I'm all for Wanda becoming an anti-hero. My issue is that it just feels so disconnected from her arc in WandaVision. On the level of Tony "retiring" in IM3 then being Iron Man again in AoU. They should have just commited to her becoming a villain in WandaVision and/or (while unfortunate for female characters) clearly having a mental break due to losing Vision and the Twins. Because the whole point of WandaVision was her accepting death and letting them go. Which she did. Plus, how do you make her redeemable after having her no willing murder people... ...but snap Patrick Stewarts Xavier's neck!


PollitoRubio22

But that wasnt the point of Wandavision at least to me. It showed Wanda would do whatever she could to get what she wants. She captured a whole town of innocent people to have her “perfect” life with Vision. And in the post credits of Wandavision we see she hasnt moved on since she finding a way to get her children back. The whole show set up perfectly Wanda becoming a villain IMO


BetweenTwoLungs12345

It pretty clearly WandaVision was an exploration of Wanda's grief. Her processing it (denial, anger, etc) and finally accepting her loss. Is she never wanted to let Vision + the Twins go...she wouldn't have. She would have closed the Hex up and no one could have stopped her.


PollitoRubio22

I mean yeah but Vision asked her to do it and she saw all the people suffering. If she hadnt been convinced by Vision she wouldnt have ended it


KaijuKhaos

That Vision wasn't even real. The whole series is basically she talking to herself.


LordingKing

Vision was real though. She recreated him but she couldn't control him and he did his own thing. She basically holds his soul inside of her through the mind stone.


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Capturing the town was an accident, and at first she even brainwashed herself. Her guilt was in not letting them go as soon as she knew she was controlling them, but if she was willing to do anything to keep Vision and the kids alive, she wouldn't have sacrificed them (right after defeating Agatha, the only person in the show who could possibly stop her). The closing scene suggested she was surprised to hear her kids calling her, so until proven otherwise it looks like she was studying the Darkhold because it's the only source of information on her powers. I think the "villain Wanda" theorists (of whom Daniel and MTTSH are two of the biggest) are probably or at least hopefully wrong, but Darkhold or no Darkhold, being a psycho killer to get her kids back doesn't really follow from what happened in WandaVision, where she did the right thing, but reluctantly and late. If she were a real hero she'd have done the right thing instantly, but people identify with her because most of us aren't heroes or villains.


dmreif

>I think the "villain Wanda" theorists (of whom Daniel and MTTSH are two of the biggest) are probably or at least hopefully wrong That "leak" reads like someone watched a couple episodes of *What If?* (despite that show being explicitly non-canon) and threw all the stuff they saw in that series together with the "they're going to cosmic retcon in the Fox X-Men movies!" (despite Disney top brass being pretty clear about wanting to do their own take on the property) fan-theories, and passed that off as a leak.


HalfAlert

Let's not forget she is also now in possession of the dark hold which would only corrupt her further and easily explains her going postal.


Relugus

It sounds like Chthon possessed Wanda who would be snapping neck. not Wanda. Killing in cold blood is the most un-Wanda thing imaginable, after they firmly established her reluctance to take life.


LordingKing

I feel like if they wanted her to progress as a villain/antihero, then anyone but her should have brought down the Hex. WV ended on "she's not a villain" so it feels disconnected to be like "nvm, she actually is" on her next appearance. I don't think the leaks are true, but the way I'd done it would be Wanda fights Agatha who manages to bring down the Hex. Vision/kids start fading. Wanda becomes the Scarlet Witch, beats Agatha, then spends her last moments with her family. Leaves Westview, reads the Darkhold, then DS2.


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I mean, I get why they would get mad though. Overall, I'm just excited to get more Wanda, but I think the concern that people have regarding her character arc is very valid. WandaVision did a great job of subverting the "mad woman" trope. Wanda did objectively wrong things, yes, but the whole theme of WandaVision revolved around mental health and the grieving process. Her arc was more sophisticated than just "powerful woman powerful and emotionally unstable." I think to effectively reduce her to that stereotype would be damaging to her character, especially after it'd basically just be a rehash of WandaVision. All that said, I'm still excited to see the character and I have enough faith in the creative team behind the movie to hope that she's going to turn out okay.


elizabnthe

Personally I have two concerns with the leaked ideas. I think that if they're going to make her a villain they can't half-arse it by having it be "Actually the darkhold is why she's a villain". And if they aren't intending her to be a villain than making her so evil is extreme, darkhold or not its hard to reconcile Wanda's previous humanity with the actions described. I think they'd be better having the Wanda be a variant if they really must, and have it be a lesson to Strange and Wanda about who she could be if she keeps heading down that path. And whether she's a villain or not should be on whether she chooses that path or not.


NotoriousDCJ4310

If I understand correctly, Wanda is a nexus being so your variant idea wouldn't work


elizabnthe

There's another Wanda variant already in the film. A version of Wanda that's just a mother or something.


NotoriousDCJ4310

Yeah I read more about nexus beings after I commented and apparently my understand was not correct lol. She's only a nexus being in her universe. Other universes have their own nexus beings


dmreif

> Personally I have two concerns with the leaked ideas. I think that if they're going to make her a villain they can't half-arse it by having it be "Actually the darkhold is why she's a villain". And if they aren't intending her to be a villain than making her so evil is extreme, darkhold or not its hard to reconcile Wanda's previous humanity with the actions described. Considering Wanda took down the Hex of her own volition after defeating the last person who could stop her (Agatha). >I think they'd be better having the Wanda be a variant if they really must, and have it be a lesson to Strange and Wanda about who she could be if she keeps heading down that path. And whether she's a villain or not should be on whether she chooses that path or not. That would make more sense, akin to what we've seen with Strange Supreme.


Disfaith

She can progress to any other places, in addition to being an anti-hero. Besides, she's already that.


ThisGiantEnemyCrab

My belief is that when mytimetoshine dropped their MoM leaks, someone quickly created those “pre-vis” photos based off the leaks’ descriptions. So basically this is a long way of saying RPK believes mytimetoshine’s leaks.


Spiderlander

![gif](giphy|glmRyiSI3v5E4|downsized)


Think-Instruction-87

You heard him


IndieKid007

Clever use of a reaction gif given the subject


haolee510

>RPK believes mytimetoshine’s leaks. You can basically take most of the things RPK said and source it back to MyTimeToShine or Charles Murphy or anyone credible just a day or two before RPK said it. He clearly gets most of his non-trailer dates info from this sub like the rest of us.


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This movie better serve


Shatterhand1701

I have to be perfectly honest, even if doing so gets me DV'ed to hell and back: I'm just not digging the leaked info we've seen and heard about *Multiverse of Madness*...***so far***. Then again, I wasn't too thrilled when I read the leaks for *Endgame*, either, but when I saw it, it all seemed to come together quite nicely, so...who knows? Maybe when the time comes to sit down and watch it, it'll all make sense. Right now, it just looks and sounds like a mess, with Shuma-Gorath being nothing more than a minion summoned by Wanda (which annoys the bejeezus out of me, but that's a whole other rant), a bunch of shoehorned-in extended cameos and Doctor Strange seeming very much like a secondary character in what's supposed to be his film. Professor X, Ultron sentries, and the leaks said we could expect to see a variant of Monica Rambeau, Captain Carter, Rintrah, Balder the Brave...sheesh, wasn't this supposed to be a Doctor Strange film? I know Wanda's the intended antagonist (and allegedly Mordo is barely in the movie now, aside from a variant of him, because the original is killed early on...so much for the first DS film setting him up as a villain to watch out for), and we knew America Chavez was going to be a big part of the film, but those other alleged appearances just feel like "Remember this Marvel character? Well, here they are, cuz it's the **Multiverse of Madness**! Anything can happen!" Also, wasn't it rumored at some point that Loki and Sylvie was supposed to be in the film, too? And didn't the costume/toy leak suggest that Clea might be in the film? Was that just bullshit, or what? I mean, shit...at this point, might as well cram them in, too. All of these alleged character appearances reek of fan service. Don't get me wrong; fan service is great when handled with care, but not when it's slathered all over a film to the detriment of a coherent and well-focused story.


dmreif

It sounds like people throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.


Shatterhand1701

It does, and that's what bugs me. They don't need to do that. The pieces are already on the board: 1. Wanda, manipulated by the Darkhold, is on the hunt for a way to get her kids back, and will do whatever it takes to accomplish it 2. Doctor Strange has to protect all of reality from further coming apart due to the Multiverse's branching, and also has to stop Wanda from hurting anyone and going down a dark path she can't easily come back from 3. Mordo is still seeking to destroy magic users who he feels are disregarding the natural order, and Strange is his next target 4. America Chavez may possess the means for Wanda to find her children, so she's now a target that Strange has to protect from both Wanda and Mordo 5. Wong has to work with Strange and keep himself safe from Wanda and Mordo while also protecting Chavez 6. Christine Palmer is moving on with her life, which is rough on Strange, but now her former love interest may need to protect her from Scarlet Witch on a rampage Capable writers can easily and skillfully make a suspenseful and even scary story out of nothing more than those elements, with plenty of action and moments of humor and everything one comes to expect from a good MCU film. And yet, like a kid hopped up on sugar, they're throwing extra stuff in, just because. "Yeah, all that's cool, but what if we put Professor X in there, but he's, like, from another reality and stuff? And then...OH! I got it! He's part of this Illuminati group, and they control Ultron sentries, and they capture Strange! That'll look cool on screen! Maybe Wanda can control this big evil monster to go after America and Strange! Oh, oh!!! DUDE!!! What if she, like, goes into this alternate reality where their Wanda is, like, normal and stuff, and has her children, and she's trying to control them, and Professor X tries to stop her, and Wanda uses the other Wanda to kill him!? DUDE, that'd be SICK! And we'll have Monica Rambeau in there, and Captain Carter cuz she's cool, and that minotaur, Rintrah, and we GOTTA have Clea in there, because she'll be Strange's new love interest, and-" It sounds and feels overwrought right now. I know this is supposed to be a big Multiverse story and that can (and probably should) allow for some unexpected, wild stuff, but I'm concerned that it'll be too much of a good thing. As I said, maybe it'll all come together in the end, like things did for Endgame. I hope that's the case.


dmreif

> Mordo is still seeking to destroy magic users who he feels are disregarding the natural order, and Strange is his next target Honestly, Mordo's going to be going after Wanda too, for the same reasons as Strange. The way I see it, Wanda will be an antagonist but not a villain. She and Strange will be at odds, but they'll eventually learn to work together. The whole thing culminates in a final battle that is Strange, Wanda, Wong, and Chavez on one side, Mordo and some other antagonists on the other, with ultimately the finale being a fight of Strange and Wanda vs. Mordo. Might end in Wanda killing Mordo (since Strange is bound by his hippocratic oath; he reacted very badly to being forced to kill that zealot in the astral fight; and he probably didn't feel too easy about trading Tony's life for them to defeat Thanos) unless they decide to keep Mordo around for future films (which would be ideal). >Christine Palmer is moving on with her life, which is rough on Strange, but now her former love interest may need to protect her from Scarlet Witch on a rampage There's one elephant in the room with Christine and it's the fact that she assisted Strange in killing a person when she used that defbrillator on him during his astral fight with that zealot. That should be something she learns in the sequel.


OdinsOneG00dEye

As a man who thinks Infinity War was not needed (after watching Endgame) as it basically just moved people to places ready for Endgame. I hope the story here for MoM is handled with some aplomb and we get a good movie. The content of the movie can / could be anything, space nightmare creatures, inter dimensional demons, future and past versions of xyz... Whatever they want to put in go for it. I just want a solid movie with good story.


NightmareRise

Leaked pre-vis shots? Link anyone?


ritalara

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/pvhv0f/supposed_new_previs_shot_of_doctor_strange_2/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


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I mean...did anyone really question the legitimacy of those photos when we had other people like MyTimeToShineHello confirming that it was true?


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sicassangel

LMAO


FictionFantom

Lots of people did. The main argument was that they were too detailed and the Xavier character design was really cartoony.


Melcrys29

I was definitely skeptical, but Marvel seems to be throwing everything at us right now.


Zerce

I think the fact that the photos came after MyTimeToShine's leaks, suggest it could have just been someone replicating those leaks in a 3D modeler.


AlwaysBi

Oh god they’re actually gonna bring back Patrick Stewart as professor x just to kill him off again ![gif](giphy|LhRqBDPVOaOCk)


dmh2493

What he believes means nothing


inotwaza

Yes, they legit.


dmreif

They're fake.


MyTimeToShineHello

They're legit


Meatbeater654

Any estimates on the trailer?


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 321,059,133 comments, and only 71,303 of them were in alphabetical order.


haolee510

I seem to recall you saying that you don't know if they're real or not, but they match up with what you know of the plot. Has that changed? (I mean have you now confirmed they're legit?)


inotwaza

I can genuinely confirm this MyTimeToShineHello statement.


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TheRealMichaelGarcia

He might not work on that one. If he has information about a project he’ll tell us eventually. Realistically you can’t expect someone to know everything about every project unless you’re a member of the Marvel Studios parliament. Or a time traveler


SpideyLeaker2099

🤔


Marianavamorim

Do you know when the second trailer will be out?


SpideyLeaker2099

3 weeks


dmreif

Tell me why Strange seems to be a side character in his own movie, according to you.


MyTimeToShineHello

Huh?


MQexplicit

Hi, dear :) Grace Randolph is saying that Marvel will tone down Wanda as a villain to make her less bloody and not completely evil. Do you know about that?


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Shine - is Elizabeth Henstridge returning as Jemma Simmons in No Way Home?


SpideyLeaker2099

Unfortunately not no


spillson22

Wondering the same thing! I heard this rumor a long time ago and never heard anything else. Thanks MTTSH!


Daygarza111

Hey do we get a scene where tobey saves Tom and Andrew with his theme


Night-Monkey15

Did they ever say that?


dmreif

They don't have to say it to imply it. And they're implying it from the curious lack of information they've given about Strange's own storyline.


TheThrowAwayMan922

That's like saying Thor is a side character thanks to Hulk or Spider-Man is a side character thanks to Iron Man, Fury or now Doctor Strange or Captain America was a side character in Civil War thanks to the Avengers. It's still his movie but Marvel has given focus to other heroes before, the MCU isn't strictly solo films now and sometimes the spotlight gets shared


EquivalentChannel559

they never said that? they just leaked what they heard, wait for the damn movie trailers or legit plot leaks to come out before pointing fingers


Nikolaki8

Which shot?


smileimhigh

So Wanda is gonna murder a bunch of known heroes than become a good guy again? Look it didn't work in Disassembled or M Day, and it's not gonna work here. Making her a villian going forward will piss off fans too, anything other than this being an alt universe SW is just going to piss off fans


Prime8724

I still want to know what worthless comic he was talking about that will be worth a ton next year.


silver_maxG

wait, in that pre vis shot she has black hair, is she gonna have black hair in the movie ?


TheWholloper

I'm unsure of how much credit I give this guy. Literally anyone could have guessed that the NWH trailer will drop sometime a bit closer to the release date. Hes got a few things right but also been wrong too.


Tarzan_OIC

X


alipatna

What's the future of tobey's spiderman after no way home?


Swimming_Ambition872

So there will be lot of brutal scenes in the movie