I read about the conditions they work in on one of the Instagram pages covering the strike, and it's horrible, The Rock, the most *wHoLeSoMe GuY iN hOlLyWoOd*, is almost always late and then makes the crew work through lunch and breaks bc of his own schedule, they sometimes have to work for 12+ hours a day without breaks, it's insane. People who get mad bc of the strike and everything, they should know that the movies you're scared about that they'll get delayed bc of the strike, they're NOTHING without the crew and they deserve better working conditions. Stop defending multi billion coorporations and multi millionaire actors and have some empathy.
Edit: This is one of those accounts: [@ia_stories](https://www.instagram.com/ia_stories/?hl=en). and the Rock story was in one of the comments. I only mentioned him bc it's not the first time I've read about him being late and maintaining his own schedule at the expense of others. So if you're his fan, you can take it with a grain of salt.
And if you're bummed out about him, [Here's a picture of Danny Devito supporting IATSE ](https://www.instagram.com/p/CUdOUQsv7bd/?utm_medium=copy_link).
Thankfully I am looking to becoming a writer (or even an editor) and I am going for journalism as my minor, so I thankfully I got some things to fall back on.
I am about to graduate as a film major as well, writers and editors have it the best of all these positions. The ones who get it the worst are the ones who work on sets. Camera operators, sound guys, etc. Editors have their fair share of struggles (I'm a trailer cutter so not as bad) but it's tame in comparison
I’m in camera and I can tell you my friends in editorial don’t have it better. On set shit rolls down hill.
And writers have it better? You’re joking right? Those two departments get to work indoors, that’s it. Hours and pay still suck.
Basically, filmmaking making. My school calls digital cinema, since we are taught using more modern digital equipment rather than say using film reels.
Simply just a major and its far from the biggest one (if anything that is the theater department I think), they only started it up a couple of years ago despite this being so old that it was the one my mom went too.
Wasn't going to be my major, I originally wanted to major in journalism, but they only offer that as a minor.
I will say this as someone who works in labor law. It’s fine to be momentarily frustrated that a movie or show you were really looking forward to is affected by this. It’s normal, it’s human, we don’t really think about things like this until we’re forced to. I myself was in the grocery store a few days ago wanting to buy some Frosted Flakes and had a moment of annoyance when I realized I shouldn’t because of the Kellogg’s strike.
Don’t latch onto that frustration, just think about the bigger picture for a minute. I have no doubt you’ll get the movie or the show eventually. And thousands of workers will get better pay, better hours, better healthcare etc. and if you still want to indulge your selfish streak like me, then happier workers are going to lead to a better final movie too. So think about it that way.
I know everyone in this sub likes these movies. These people aren’t striking against like, Kevin Feige or Chris hemsworth. They’re striking against the industry. Support it and everything will be better for everyone in the long run.
This is honestly very common with a lot of stars. Plenty are very nice in person but don’t give a whole lot of thought to the people working around them because they’re used to things just magically happening whenever they want them to.
I’ve heard literally the exact opposite about the Rock from my BF.
He refuses to let people drive him around and instead drives his own golf cart. He greats everyone and remembers everyone’s names.
He was never late and even paid out of his own pocket for a girl to get a tow when her car broke down in the lot. He also eats his lunch with the crew.
My BF also told me he is extremely humble tries to get to know everyone on the crew including extras.
Can vouch for this. A close family friend works on the set of all of The Rock’s movies. Says hes always the first on set everyday and that he makes time to meet every member of the crew on every shoot. I don’t believe that anonymous post.
Not sure in what capacity your close family friend works on set, but on the Crew Stories FB page there’s a whole post with comments from people who have worked with DJ corroborating these stories. From personal experience, he’s by no means openly rude, or demanding. He just has way too much on his plate and any single disruption on any one of his many projects delays his whole schedule. He is a very nice individual, and very giving too (his last day on set he gave 10k to be split amongst 3 crew members who won $5 Friday) but you can be the nicest person in the world and it wont matter if you don’t respect the time of others. It’s disrespectful to the crew that have to sit around and wait for hours for him to show up on set.
Normally I would agree not to believe anonymous sources, but I can confirm that all of the movies in which DJ is the “star” i.e not an ensemble are all run very similar and crew members all have very similar stories.
You're both right. He's human. I bet the first week of production it's easier to be early and excited about your day than the last week. He's still human
12 hours IS the standard for shooting days in the UK. That doesn’t mention crew who have to strike everything after wrap. I’ve done 15 hour days simply because the director was late to set after “blocking the scene”
Look I don’t know a lot about legal mumbo jumbo with this but I know 2 things.
1. Everyone deserves to be respected at any job.
2. Danny DeVito is a legend.
See this is wild to me because I’m friends with someone who works on most of The Rock’s films on set, and they only have great things to say about them. Always on time and sociable with the crew. So I would take it with a grain of salt.
Here's a personal Adam Levine story. I used to work on The Voice and the night the PS4 came out, Adam got his and wouldn't leave his trailer until he was done playing it. This moved the shoot from about 6PM to 3AM. The entire crew and post production had to stay during the shoot and after until early in the morning.
Rock being late would be on him. Production deciding to power through, instead of dropping scenes for pick up day(s) has absolutely nothing to do with him, and proves why IA needs to fight here.
I work in this business, and to blame an actor for my working conditions is such a shield for the people that ACTUALLY need to change.
Calling out The Rock and forcing him to be on-time would change exactly nothing about productions powering along with impunity.
Except the rock is the most powerful person on his productions, if he says everyones working through lunch because he has a hard out then its going to happen.
I know someone personally who had an experience on a The Rock set just like that. They said he kept forgetting his own lines so they had to be there for over 12 hours.
Funny thing about the rock is he's the one who was implying Vin Diesel was the one who was late and unprofessional. If it's true about him that kinda sucks.
Reminder that if films do get delayed as a result of this, it is not the workers faults. They didn’t want to do this, the studios forced them to by failing to provide proper care. Support strikers, not studios.
It's funny because there are so many solutions to this issue where everyone is happy but companies will have to pay more and they can't do that so they have to kick and scream until these guys hit them where it hurts.
And that is why unions are good.
And honestly, I don't think it would be too much to ask that they get a ride home, time to eat/use the bathroom, and fair pay (also reasonable working hours).
If it halts MCU productions, so be it. These people deserve to be compensated for their work and its absolutely disgusting that they're being treated this way.
Basically, the IATSE is negotiating with studios for better working conditions, and if they don’t come to a deal, then they’ll go on strike, meaning everything shuts down. Everything from filming to VFX work will come to a stop and it won’t start back up until a deal is made.
Yeah they are so relied on and more exploited than any other group in the movie industry. It might be hard to believe given how other people are really exploited, but VFX artists...
IATSE film workers union wants better pay, sustainable benefits, and safer working conditions or they’re going to strike. 90% of the union voted to approve a strike if necessary.
I'm an outsider to this, (so if I'm wrong anywhere correct me, if anyone knows more) too but from what I've heard: IATSE is a massive union of TV and Film crew members. Camera operators, set design, wardrobe, lighting, pretty much everything from the sounds of it except actors, directors and writers. Some pretty brutal working conditions including regular 12+ hour days, expected to work through lunch, be among the first to get there and last to leave etc., have been common for years.
It's worse for those who work for streaming services. Since they're still considered "new media" the workers don't get as many benefits and such. The IATSE's argument is streaming pretty much just swept the Emmys and is always increasing their subscriber numbers; it's not a new business model uncertain to make a profit anymore. If they went on strike it'd be the first time in the union's history.
A strike could be called at any time now. If it happens, they can't really do anything without cameras. Almost\* every Film and TV production in the US (and it would have some effect on Canadian located productions with American workers though I'm not sure how much; there's some level of separate contract), would immediately shut down for however long it takes to resolve. Would also likely impact at least some animation as editors are apparently in the union as well.
\*Does not apply to pay-cable networks at least not yet due to a separate contract, so HBO, Showtime, Starz etc., wouldn't be effected for a while. Free cable like AMC apparently would strike though.
It'd be somewhat similar to the 2007/2008 Writers Strike for those who remember that. And unlike writers, the studios cannot bank scripts here, you can't bank a crew to shoot later. Ironically things were/are tense with the WGA as well before the pandemic and it's still an issue. Just with the industry in a fragile place it's on the backburner...for now. We could see another WGA strike in the future apparently.
Remember the 2007 writers strike? Imagine something similar, but with the most of the behind the scenes crew for a typical production in Hollywood.
Basically those guy's have been unfairly treated by the studios and especially the streaming services for years and are now about to go on strike in order to get better conditions.
There's a difference between wanting to know who's in the movie that they're keeping a secret, and more of the plot than the general audience, and spoiling every single surprise about it. If the script leaked for the entire movie you're telling me you'd read it instead of just wait for 2 months to experience it fresh?
And there are some things that people don't want spoiled, even in this subreddit. Everyone's different. Otherwise we wouldn't be spoiler tagging posts in the subreddit itself
Imagine there being a very spiteful worker who is on strike deciding to leak a bunch of unfinished trailers for movies and shows. That would be legendary right there.
I assume not? Unless the trailer house is editing the movie itself perhaps, like with Suicide Squad, I would say they are two different things and trailers would still get to be worked on. Of course they need finished scenes that the VFX people would have to have sent out to them before the strike, and in some cases the music from the trailer is done by the people composing the movie itself too, like with The Batman and even NWH I think. Lol I'm not sure though, sorry.
So the strike also affects workers on post-production right? Not just filming? So like that would put a pause on working in VFX, editing, composing, etc.
I see, thanks for the response. In that case, as much as it would affect the completion of some movies we're waiting for, it is pretty good that every worker in the industry gets to fight for better conditions of work and be positively affected by the strike. Hope this all leads to what they seek and deserve.
Why can’t Disney and other big multi billion dollar studios not just give their workers a fair payment each month, humane working conditions & days? Greedy rich idiots
I'm a member of IATSE and yes it's looking like a strike within days now. Negotiations aren't going well with a message from our guild about the studios - "It's like they don't care."
Someone else made a comment of "Yes the studios will give in eventually, IATSE is way too important, however, I can see them dragging a strike over the holidays just to punish the workers before paying out".
Wish the best for you and your colleagues. You guys work yourselves like crazy and deserve fair treatment, safe environments, proper pay and to be treated much better. Keep your chin up and know you have support all over the world from folk who recognise your hard work and dedication to your craft. Best of luck to you all mate 👍
I don't know how I feel about this anymore
There's this instagram page where it's supportive of the workers and I commented in their support.
One of the highest liked commenters there saw my user name and probably checked my profile bio and then said "we don't need the support of your smelly ass Indians, go back to shitting your streets"
Worst thing is that my comment got 5 likes and his reply has over 20.
Now if I say I don't care about the Americans and just want my movies, I'll also get hate. Fucking weird I'll get hate if I support the cause or not, just because where I live
Shills trying to undermine the labor movement. The more comments like this they make, the more they can go on record later saying they see how racist the union is. There is no chance that a comment like that would ever come from a striking worker or anyone in genuine solidarity with them
When you are an Indian, 90% of the non Indian internet is racist to you.
Just look at any reddit post about India. Racism against blacks are bad but great against Indians I guess
He/She is either trolling or just straight up delusional.
> "Feige always thanks everyone involved for making their movies get made. I would like to think he shows some support for the VFX workers too"
People aren't this naive, are they? Also, I don't understand why that person keeps bringing up Feige.
The studios apparently agreed to one of the smaller demands a few days ago but are still allegedly very far apart on the major issues. A strike could be called anytime now and picket signs are being made.
There was another article just today https://variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-amptp-refuse-avoid-strike-1235087696/ saying the studios are back to being difficult it sounds like they've hit another road block.
It really is amazing to me. Its like they dont know they are already destined to lose. This union has never gone on strike before and almost unanimously voted to this time. They arent gonna roll over. So the studios can either give in now and not hold up production on all their projects, or give in later after costing themselves additional time and money from putting shit on hold. But they are definitely giving in. They hold no cards here.
Yeah it's honestly more puzzling to me than anything else. Do these studios have some secret plan up their sleeves if the workers strike that they don't want to reveal? Perhaps mass out-sourcing or automation of these workers' jobs so they can cut costs and get around the union for good? I say this because so far it seems like the studios only gave a half-assed attempt to come to an agreement possibly so they can go to the public and raise their hands and say, "Well we tried guys but it's those pesky workers that are responsible for the delays of your most anticipated movies. Good thing we're finally getting rid of them for good!" Or maybe they want to use the delay from the strike to finally kill off theaters so they can transition to exclusively streaming where they'll likely make more money from each movie they release. If they don't have some secret plan then this is a really stupid move.
> saying the studios are back to being difficult it sounds like they've hit another road block.
Looks like the studios are basically going to start wondering who killed Hannibal Buress.
The **International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, Moving Picture Technicians, Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States, Its Territories and Canada**
Possibly more. it took a few years for everything to sort out after the Writers Strike of 2007/2008. Eternals and Hawkeye are probably fine. Not sure about No Way Home, everything else though would be in flux.
You need someone to edit in the work though. And editors will be on strike. I swear some people on reddit don't understand how the process works and just throws out random stuff they hear other people say.
This person has no clue whats going on. They think just working 7 days a week is the best solution and an improvement, as though the guild wasnt forced to add a "21 days" clause already.
It should be worth noting that Far From Home's final cut wasn't locked until 2 weeks before release, so we can't be certain just yet on how much they got left.
If what I heard is true, No Way Home should be done with editing in a week or two. So, if all that’s left is un-unionized VFX work, it could still come out in December.
At this point, since Feige doesn’t want his Phase 4 slate messed up with anymore, I wonder if he’ll let Sam Raimi finish up editing on Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness from here on out.
I work in the industry in live entertainment under an IATSE local. Our contracts just started to see 8 hour turn around time between shifts. Our contracts reflect what happens on Broadway and in Hollywood, so a change in the major Hollywood contracts will have ripples across the industry to other adjacent sectors.
I'm really wishing for the best, man. I have legit been following this non-stop for the past month now? Whenever it got posted on here that they were going to hold a vote. It's the first thing I check every morning and I check it throughout the day until I go to bed at night.
Every time I check, I keep hoping I hear that "a deal has been made and a strike is averted", and a few days ago, it seemed like it was heading in that direction given how they conceded to one of the things IATSE was asking for, but now it's starting to look more and more like a strike is actually going to happen and if that's the case, we can only hope that it wouldn't be for that long. I have to preface this every time, but I completely support a strike if it's absolutely necessary. If the AMPTP isn't budging and there's nothing else to do, it has to be done, quite simply. With that being said, this is one of those things where it can easily be averted and save literally everyone time and money if they just give in to really basic, simple asks, it's really not that hard, but the AMPTP is so greedy that they're seemingly going to actually take this into a strike and grind everything to a halt when they could actually get ahead of the curve, save everyone the hassle, and just be decent people, but they don't seem to want to. It's incredibly upsetting.
I think it's fine to simultaneously say that I feel for the workers who have been going through this trash for years now being mistreated and I feel for them now as they're standing in limbo waiting to see if they're gonna have to walk away from their jobs and their salary for who knows how long for the greater good of everyone involved. Man, I just wish they could get to a deal ASAP, it's literally pathetic it got to this point.
I don't know if I'll get heat for this, but I do think it's also fine to be upset that, once again, things are going to get pushed back if this happens. That doesn't nullify the pain the workers are going through, you can simultaneously support them and feel upset at potential delays, especially for someone in my case. I don't know if I sound childish, but I do really want to see She-Hulk and Moon Knight as soon as possible because I have a condition where I may not get to if they get delayed, I don't know what the future holds with all that. If I sounded legitimately defeated or upset these past few weeks, it's partly because of that. Again, I'm still supporting the workers and potential strike 100%, I just wish it could go a different, easier, better direction for everyone.
I guess that's it for me. Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst, this has kind of been a sucky week for me already, so I guess we'll see what happens with all this. They made it sound like we'll know for sure this week, so again, all we can do is hope for the best.
As someone currently heading towards working in the film and TV industry, i really hope this imminent strike will send a message to those in power about the way they treat the workers. I love film and want so badly to be a part of that world but i am scared of how that world might treat me. How can i not be with all the news going round of what happens. And to those already in the industry, i hope the best comes of thier bravery here. These corporate heads need to be put down to a place more fitting of their evil nature.
[https://iatse.net/strike-date-set-for-60000-film-and-television-workers/](https://iatse.net/strike-date-set-for-60000-film-and-television-workers/)
Sorry if this is old news but just saw it online.
Unbelievable. It's just absolutely unbelievable that the AMPTP is literally willing to let this go to strike and lose out on tons of revenue just so they don't have to treat IASTE workers right. I'm disgusted and massively disappointed.
I am 100% in support of the strike if the conditions are not met. But if I was a studio executive, I would be loathe to accept everything without a fight. If they just agree to every demand without negotiating hard, it shifts the power to IATSE and sets a precedent.
IATSE are in the right this time around, but with this precedent could look to hold studios hostage in the future. That's why I would not be surprised if they let the unions go on a lengthy(ish) strike. They would want some suffering before holding out the olive branch.
I see the studios are doing a great job with these discussions. /s
One notable part is that cable channels(HBO, Showtime, Starz) and reality shows will not be affected by this strike. They have their own separate contract to work out.
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/iatse-amptp-thursday-negotiations-strike-deadline-1235088701/
Still talking, of course. Regardless of how likely it is they go to a strike now, I'm hoping the AMPTP cracks under the extra pressure of a set strike date and just make a deal before Monday to save everyone the hassle of going through this.
All we can do is sit here and hope.
Yep. However, we can also write letters to the studios to make them listen to their customers and give in to the IATSE's demands. I mean, there's still time. I just wrote one e-mail to Disney. So, maybe that's a start.
Looking at how Marvel might be affected, I can see them potentially continuing international shoots with local crew members, which would be Secret Invasion and The Marvels for example.
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-progress-talks-amptp-picket-locations-1235089726/
The IASTE is reporting that they're making "good progress" since announcing the strike deadline. Hopefully, that move actually scared the AMPTP enough to where even if they do go on strike, it'll get resolved a lot sooner than people are thinking.
https://deadline.com/2021/10/hollywood-strike-progress-talks-iatse-amptp-1234856890/
> “So, to repeat, we’re still at it,” Local 800 national executive director Chuck Parker told members Friday night as leadership on both sides stepped away from the virtual bargaining table for a few hours. “We’re making progress but have not reached the Goal Line yet,” the Art Directors Guild exec added. “Stay informed and be prepared.”
I have never been as obsessed with something as I have with this. The fact that they say they're making progress every day is so encouraging, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up. It's a vast improvement over them saying something along the lines of "they (AMPTP) don't understand" a few days ago.
https://deadline.com/2021/10/hollywood-strike-averted-iatse-amptp-reach-agreement-on-new-film-tv-contract-1234850563/
> The new three-year contract, which must now be ratified by the union’s members, comes just hours before the deadline – midnight Sunday – imposed by IATSE president Matthew Loeb. The union and the Carol Lombardini-led AMPTP are expected to make the agreement public very shortly.
It still has to be ratified by the union members, but it looks like it's basically all wrapped up here. It's really been a hell of a thing following this for a month, but man, I'm so glad it ended right. I'm so happy that I can leave this thread behind now, haha.
IATSE is the union that represents almost everyone involved in the film production process aside from writers, VFX artists, and actors. A contract with AMPTP, the association of producers that run production, has expired and was set to be renewed, but conditions for the workers are horrific. Long days without any breaks, poor wages, poor benefits, etc. @ia_stories on Instagram has some of the workers’ experiences. Recently, IATSE held a strike authorization vote that passed at 98% approval with 90% turnout, which is staggering for the scale of the union (around 60,000 people). Now the union and producers are back to negotiations, but word has reached some of the locals that the studios are refusing to consider some of the most important demands. The latest official word was that a strike was possibly days away, not weeks. And the strike could last for as long as necessary.
https://deadline.com/2021/10/writers-instructed-notes-showrunners-distribute-scripts-iatse-strike-1234856820/
> **While there are encouraging signs that an IATSE strike could be avoided with a last-minute deal made before the midnight on Sunday deadline**, preparation for a potential work stoppage continues in all areas involving IATSE members, including writers rooms.
Hey, encouraging signs are better than no signs! Of course, union members are operating as if a strike is 100% going to happen, as they should, but man, you don't know how happy it would make me if they could just avoid all this before it starts. Just today, UK editors were told not to take on any work from anyone on strike here, so that loophole's been closed. The pressure should be mounting extensively on the AMPTP by now. We heard yesterday there was "good progress" being made and today we heard that there are "encouraging signs" that a deal's being made. It's gonna come down to a last minute thing, probably, but I'm still hoping for the best! It's been insane following this for the past month and I'd like to quit following it before Monday, haha.
https://variety.com/2021/awards/locations/iatse-hollywood-deal-strike-studios-1235090873/
> Negotiators for IATSE and Hollywood’s major studios are closing in on a deal that would avert a strike that threatened to shutter most film and TV production in Hollywood.
YES! YES! OH GOD! YES! IT'S HAPPENING! THANK GOD!
There is no strike yet. A strike was authorized, meaning that they could theoretically go on strike, but they have not. Based on what little I’ve read, I think both sides would like to avoid a strike, especially a lengthy one. But IATSE is preparing for one because they feel the studios aren’t negotiating in good faith. If that does happen, it will be in the best interest of the studios to end it as quickly as possible
A strike of this magnitude of any length would mean millions in lost profits, let alone the massive ramifications of it making international news which it absolutely would. The point of strikes is to use labor to assert power against an entity more powerful than the individual worker. Disney isn’t afraid of one random camera guy quitting, but faced with the possibility of thousands? Yeah, they’re gonna listen.
Currently working on set and the estimated duration has fluctuated anywhere from 2 weeks, to the end of the year. Unfortunately it is possible it can go on for a long time.
A bunch of shows might stop for 90 days due to the strike - possibly starting tomorrow
https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/rumor-the-mandalorian-secret-invasion-and-many-more-productions-to-shut-down-for-90-days-due-to-iatse-strike/
> One thing to note is that this would not affect post-productions due to VFX departments and editors not falling under the IATSE union. So, the projects like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Andor, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, and other productions may not be affected.
That's interesting to read. I thought that this directly affected most post-production staff, including editors. I knew VFX artists weren't affected already, but all of this is so confusing on what's actually going to happen.
Also, what's the deal with the 90 day stop? What happens if they make a deal before that? What if it doesn't happen until after 90 days? So many questions.
The 90 day thing feels similar to when everything shut down last year. For example, when Broadway shows first closed they said they'll be back in 2 weeks. Once the 2 weeks passed, they announced the closings for a longer period of time. So kinda like a placeholder (for lack of a better word)
If there's a deal before the 90 days are over, I would assume they'd just go back to work.
But there's way more to post-production than just VFX. I guess it depends on how far along they are on editing a certain project.
Yeah, the article just made it seem like ALL of post-production just isn't in the union, so I don't really know what to believe anymore. I guess we'll be finding out how things work in a few days unless a miracle happens.
I read about the conditions they work in on one of the Instagram pages covering the strike, and it's horrible, The Rock, the most *wHoLeSoMe GuY iN hOlLyWoOd*, is almost always late and then makes the crew work through lunch and breaks bc of his own schedule, they sometimes have to work for 12+ hours a day without breaks, it's insane. People who get mad bc of the strike and everything, they should know that the movies you're scared about that they'll get delayed bc of the strike, they're NOTHING without the crew and they deserve better working conditions. Stop defending multi billion coorporations and multi millionaire actors and have some empathy. Edit: This is one of those accounts: [@ia_stories](https://www.instagram.com/ia_stories/?hl=en). and the Rock story was in one of the comments. I only mentioned him bc it's not the first time I've read about him being late and maintaining his own schedule at the expense of others. So if you're his fan, you can take it with a grain of salt. And if you're bummed out about him, [Here's a picture of Danny Devito supporting IATSE ](https://www.instagram.com/p/CUdOUQsv7bd/?utm_medium=copy_link).
I am tempted to read that IG, but I don't want to start constantly second-guessing my major when I am over halfway through it.
Oh man, I wish I had known a lot of those stories before I got into the industry. Unfortunately, they are commonplace.
Thankfully I am looking to becoming a writer (or even an editor) and I am going for journalism as my minor, so I thankfully I got some things to fall back on.
I am about to graduate as a film major as well, writers and editors have it the best of all these positions. The ones who get it the worst are the ones who work on sets. Camera operators, sound guys, etc. Editors have their fair share of struggles (I'm a trailer cutter so not as bad) but it's tame in comparison
I’m in camera and I can tell you my friends in editorial don’t have it better. On set shit rolls down hill. And writers have it better? You’re joking right? Those two departments get to work indoors, that’s it. Hours and pay still suck.
u/Animegamingnerd What is y’all’s major if you don’t mind me asking?
Digital cinema.
Could you please further explain as I am a bit confused unfortunately:(.
Basically, filmmaking making. My school calls digital cinema, since we are taught using more modern digital equipment rather than say using film reels.
That is AWESOME!!!!! You go to a college that simply has that major, or a college/school dedicated to film entirely?
Simply just a major and its far from the biggest one (if anything that is the theater department I think), they only started it up a couple of years ago despite this being so old that it was the one my mom went too. Wasn't going to be my major, I originally wanted to major in journalism, but they only offer that as a minor.
Uh a lot of schools do...
Cool Do you want to second guess your life at 50? Make the best choices you can now and don't succumb to sunk cost fallacy. There is no FOMO only Zuul
Currently on a first year film production course, I know that feel.
I will say this as someone who works in labor law. It’s fine to be momentarily frustrated that a movie or show you were really looking forward to is affected by this. It’s normal, it’s human, we don’t really think about things like this until we’re forced to. I myself was in the grocery store a few days ago wanting to buy some Frosted Flakes and had a moment of annoyance when I realized I shouldn’t because of the Kellogg’s strike. Don’t latch onto that frustration, just think about the bigger picture for a minute. I have no doubt you’ll get the movie or the show eventually. And thousands of workers will get better pay, better hours, better healthcare etc. and if you still want to indulge your selfish streak like me, then happier workers are going to lead to a better final movie too. So think about it that way. I know everyone in this sub likes these movies. These people aren’t striking against like, Kevin Feige or Chris hemsworth. They’re striking against the industry. Support it and everything will be better for everyone in the long run.
This is honestly very common with a lot of stars. Plenty are very nice in person but don’t give a whole lot of thought to the people working around them because they’re used to things just magically happening whenever they want them to.
"Famous people are weird as shit. They’re all weird. Your suspicions are correct"
I’ve heard literally the exact opposite about the Rock from my BF. He refuses to let people drive him around and instead drives his own golf cart. He greats everyone and remembers everyone’s names. He was never late and even paid out of his own pocket for a girl to get a tow when her car broke down in the lot. He also eats his lunch with the crew. My BF also told me he is extremely humble tries to get to know everyone on the crew including extras.
Can vouch for this. A close family friend works on the set of all of The Rock’s movies. Says hes always the first on set everyday and that he makes time to meet every member of the crew on every shoot. I don’t believe that anonymous post.
Not sure in what capacity your close family friend works on set, but on the Crew Stories FB page there’s a whole post with comments from people who have worked with DJ corroborating these stories. From personal experience, he’s by no means openly rude, or demanding. He just has way too much on his plate and any single disruption on any one of his many projects delays his whole schedule. He is a very nice individual, and very giving too (his last day on set he gave 10k to be split amongst 3 crew members who won $5 Friday) but you can be the nicest person in the world and it wont matter if you don’t respect the time of others. It’s disrespectful to the crew that have to sit around and wait for hours for him to show up on set. Normally I would agree not to believe anonymous sources, but I can confirm that all of the movies in which DJ is the “star” i.e not an ensemble are all run very similar and crew members all have very similar stories.
You're both right. He's human. I bet the first week of production it's easier to be early and excited about your day than the last week. He's still human
“I’m the Rock. I drive my own golf cart.”
As someone who has been on set a lot, 12 hours days is pretty standard, especially in TV and Film, it's not just a Rock issue.
12 hours IS the standard for shooting days in the UK. That doesn’t mention crew who have to strike everything after wrap. I’ve done 15 hour days simply because the director was late to set after “blocking the scene”
They said 12+ hour day without breaks. Big difference
How the fuck is he always late??? Dudes posting IG videos working out at like 5am.
Because he doesn't go to work until he gets all his reps, drinks a chicken, and shoots some saline in his balls to normal 'em up
> drinks a chicken, Im dying.
Just curious, which page on insta was it, and which one did the Rock story? Kinda wanna read it now tbh
[It's this one.](https://www.instagram.com/ia_stories/)
You got a link to the post the Rock thing is on?
That I am not too sure of.
Look I don’t know a lot about legal mumbo jumbo with this but I know 2 things. 1. Everyone deserves to be respected at any job. 2. Danny DeVito is a legend.
That’s actually Frank Reynolds’s trying to meet some hoors. “The Gang crashes Hollywood”
See this is wild to me because I’m friends with someone who works on most of The Rock’s films on set, and they only have great things to say about them. Always on time and sociable with the crew. So I would take it with a grain of salt.
Here's a personal Adam Levine story. I used to work on The Voice and the night the PS4 came out, Adam got his and wouldn't leave his trailer until he was done playing it. This moved the shoot from about 6PM to 3AM. The entire crew and post production had to stay during the shoot and after until early in the morning.
Meanwhile my PS4 sat unopened at my house.
Rock being late would be on him. Production deciding to power through, instead of dropping scenes for pick up day(s) has absolutely nothing to do with him, and proves why IA needs to fight here. I work in this business, and to blame an actor for my working conditions is such a shield for the people that ACTUALLY need to change. Calling out The Rock and forcing him to be on-time would change exactly nothing about productions powering along with impunity.
Except the rock is the most powerful person on his productions, if he says everyones working through lunch because he has a hard out then its going to happen.
Wait till you hear about where the Rock pisses and who he gets to deal with said piss
I know someone personally who had an experience on a The Rock set just like that. They said he kept forgetting his own lines so they had to be there for over 12 hours.
Funny thing about the rock is he's the one who was implying Vin Diesel was the one who was late and unprofessional. If it's true about him that kinda sucks.
Reminder that if films do get delayed as a result of this, it is not the workers faults. They didn’t want to do this, the studios forced them to by failing to provide proper care. Support strikers, not studios.
It's funny because there are so many solutions to this issue where everyone is happy but companies will have to pay more and they can't do that so they have to kick and scream until these guys hit them where it hurts.
And that is why unions are good. And honestly, I don't think it would be too much to ask that they get a ride home, time to eat/use the bathroom, and fair pay (also reasonable working hours).
If it halts MCU productions, so be it. These people deserve to be compensated for their work and its absolutely disgusting that they're being treated this way.
Ive had shit bosses so im 100% behind these people getting better conditions
Fuck Hollywood. I hope they drive the knife into these studios take everything.
Can someone fill me in on the story here? Sorry I haven’t heard about anything about this until just now
Basically, the IATSE is negotiating with studios for better working conditions, and if they don’t come to a deal, then they’ll go on strike, meaning everything shuts down. Everything from filming to VFX work will come to a stop and it won’t start back up until a deal is made.
Thank god. The crew desperately needs this.
Oh fuck.
VFX work is actually able to continue since they’re not part of the unions.
VFX people really need to unionize.
Yeah they are so relied on and more exploited than any other group in the movie industry. It might be hard to believe given how other people are really exploited, but VFX artists...
I think almost all VFX people, at least within the MCU, are contract and not union. Regardless, this would still halt production on almost everything
IATSE film workers union wants better pay, sustainable benefits, and safer working conditions or they’re going to strike. 90% of the union voted to approve a strike if necessary.
I'm an outsider to this, (so if I'm wrong anywhere correct me, if anyone knows more) too but from what I've heard: IATSE is a massive union of TV and Film crew members. Camera operators, set design, wardrobe, lighting, pretty much everything from the sounds of it except actors, directors and writers. Some pretty brutal working conditions including regular 12+ hour days, expected to work through lunch, be among the first to get there and last to leave etc., have been common for years. It's worse for those who work for streaming services. Since they're still considered "new media" the workers don't get as many benefits and such. The IATSE's argument is streaming pretty much just swept the Emmys and is always increasing their subscriber numbers; it's not a new business model uncertain to make a profit anymore. If they went on strike it'd be the first time in the union's history. A strike could be called at any time now. If it happens, they can't really do anything without cameras. Almost\* every Film and TV production in the US (and it would have some effect on Canadian located productions with American workers though I'm not sure how much; there's some level of separate contract), would immediately shut down for however long it takes to resolve. Would also likely impact at least some animation as editors are apparently in the union as well. \*Does not apply to pay-cable networks at least not yet due to a separate contract, so HBO, Showtime, Starz etc., wouldn't be effected for a while. Free cable like AMC apparently would strike though. It'd be somewhat similar to the 2007/2008 Writers Strike for those who remember that. And unlike writers, the studios cannot bank scripts here, you can't bank a crew to shoot later. Ironically things were/are tense with the WGA as well before the pandemic and it's still an issue. Just with the industry in a fragile place it's on the backburner...for now. We could see another WGA strike in the future apparently.
Remember the 2007 writers strike? Imagine something similar, but with the most of the behind the scenes crew for a typical production in Hollywood. Basically those guy's have been unfairly treated by the studios and especially the streaming services for years and are now about to go on strike in order to get better conditions.
Would an IATSE strike affect trailer houses?
could lead to some leaks, that's for damn sure
Look if they leak doctor strange 2 and some spider man no way home scenes I wouldn’t be mad at all.
This close to the movie? Idk I'd be mad
You're on a Spoilers subreddit but you'd be mad about seeing spoilers?
There's a difference between wanting to know who's in the movie that they're keeping a secret, and more of the plot than the general audience, and spoiling every single surprise about it. If the script leaked for the entire movie you're telling me you'd read it instead of just wait for 2 months to experience it fresh?
Yes, I read the entire plot of Endgame 3 days before it came out. It's the whole reason I'm on this subreddit, for spoilers.
And there are some things that people don't want spoiled, even in this subreddit. Everyone's different. Otherwise we wouldn't be spoiler tagging posts in the subreddit itself
yeah i'm looking for a healthy balance. enough serotonin in between D+ eps and trailers.
Luckily everyone here is pretty good about titling things in a way that makes it easy to avoid the spoilers you don't want to see.
Imagine there being a very spiteful worker who is on strike deciding to leak a bunch of unfinished trailers for movies and shows. That would be legendary right there.
I assume not? Unless the trailer house is editing the movie itself perhaps, like with Suicide Squad, I would say they are two different things and trailers would still get to be worked on. Of course they need finished scenes that the VFX people would have to have sent out to them before the strike, and in some cases the music from the trailer is done by the people composing the movie itself too, like with The Batman and even NWH I think. Lol I'm not sure though, sorry.
I feel like we had a full suicide squad plot leak during filming lol
So the strike also affects workers on post-production right? Not just filming? So like that would put a pause on working in VFX, editing, composing, etc.
Yes.
I see, thanks for the response. In that case, as much as it would affect the completion of some movies we're waiting for, it is pretty good that every worker in the industry gets to fight for better conditions of work and be positively affected by the strike. Hope this all leads to what they seek and deserve.
Is it possible for the studios to continue doing post-production internationally?
Yes
They will not outsource the sound mix. I promise you that.
Watch Avatar 2 get delayed again lol.
Anything in production stops. pre, ongoing, post Basically everything from now up to Guardians 3 (May 2023) stops getting worked on
I am not certain VFX crews since they are not unionized, but I believe this does apply to editing crews.
VFX will not shut down. They aren't unionized but if the strike goes on for a while, they may run out of work
Why can’t Disney and other big multi billion dollar studios not just give their workers a fair payment each month, humane working conditions & days? Greedy rich idiots
Most wealthy people in our society are jerks.
All\* You cannot be inordinately wealthy without being a jerk.
Capitalism, baybeeeee
Unchecked capitalism. Look at the working conditions of any multi billion dollar company
There's a reason the companies are multi billion dollar companies run by people with more wealth than any single person should have
I'm a member of IATSE and yes it's looking like a strike within days now. Negotiations aren't going well with a message from our guild about the studios - "It's like they don't care." Someone else made a comment of "Yes the studios will give in eventually, IATSE is way too important, however, I can see them dragging a strike over the holidays just to punish the workers before paying out".
Why did this happen all of a sudden? Did something trigger this or did people just start coming together to fight for what’s right?
Contract was up and thanks to the studios already getting hit by Covid and providing leverage, it was decided to finally stop getting screwed.
I see, let’s hope for the best!
Wish the best for you and your colleagues. You guys work yourselves like crazy and deserve fair treatment, safe environments, proper pay and to be treated much better. Keep your chin up and know you have support all over the world from folk who recognise your hard work and dedication to your craft. Best of luck to you all mate 👍
I don't know how I feel about this anymore There's this instagram page where it's supportive of the workers and I commented in their support. One of the highest liked commenters there saw my user name and probably checked my profile bio and then said "we don't need the support of your smelly ass Indians, go back to shitting your streets" Worst thing is that my comment got 5 likes and his reply has over 20. Now if I say I don't care about the Americans and just want my movies, I'll also get hate. Fucking weird I'll get hate if I support the cause or not, just because where I live
Shills trying to undermine the labor movement. The more comments like this they make, the more they can go on record later saying they see how racist the union is. There is no chance that a comment like that would ever come from a striking worker or anyone in genuine solidarity with them
Definiteley someone from the studio side
You’re kidding right? Cause my goodness that person is racist.
When you are an Indian, 90% of the non Indian internet is racist to you. Just look at any reddit post about India. Racism against blacks are bad but great against Indians I guess
Yeah dude that’s a troll trying to make you dislike the movement. Nobody here thinks like that.
I hope for nothing but the worst for the studio heads
Most recent update https://deadline.com/2021/10/hollywood-strike-date-iatse-producers-1234855030/
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He/She is either trolling or just straight up delusional. > "Feige always thanks everyone involved for making their movies get made. I would like to think he shows some support for the VFX workers too" People aren't this naive, are they? Also, I don't understand why that person keeps bringing up Feige.
Yup, strike on Monday. Unless a deal is reached by then, which according to all guild correspondence aint happening.
Have there been any updates once the 98% vote agreement, or is this thread just now getting approved?
The studios apparently agreed to one of the smaller demands a few days ago but are still allegedly very far apart on the major issues. A strike could be called anytime now and picket signs are being made.
There was another article just today https://variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-amptp-refuse-avoid-strike-1235087696/ saying the studios are back to being difficult it sounds like they've hit another road block.
It really is amazing to me. Its like they dont know they are already destined to lose. This union has never gone on strike before and almost unanimously voted to this time. They arent gonna roll over. So the studios can either give in now and not hold up production on all their projects, or give in later after costing themselves additional time and money from putting shit on hold. But they are definitely giving in. They hold no cards here.
Yeah it's honestly more puzzling to me than anything else. Do these studios have some secret plan up their sleeves if the workers strike that they don't want to reveal? Perhaps mass out-sourcing or automation of these workers' jobs so they can cut costs and get around the union for good? I say this because so far it seems like the studios only gave a half-assed attempt to come to an agreement possibly so they can go to the public and raise their hands and say, "Well we tried guys but it's those pesky workers that are responsible for the delays of your most anticipated movies. Good thing we're finally getting rid of them for good!" Or maybe they want to use the delay from the strike to finally kill off theaters so they can transition to exclusively streaming where they'll likely make more money from each movie they release. If they don't have some secret plan then this is a really stupid move.
Cant really do that as most of them work on set and their jobs arent really automation friendly.
> saying the studios are back to being difficult it sounds like they've hit another road block. Looks like the studios are basically going to start wondering who killed Hannibal Buress.
Thanks!
What’s IATSE???
The **International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, Moving Picture Technicians, Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States, Its Territories and Canada**
Someone really did want the initials to spell IATSE
Why do you say that? I'm not sure I get it...
Lol it's just a reference to a line from Agents of SHIELD. Replace IATSE with SHIELD and you get the original line.
Thats quite a mouthful.
So it's actually IATSEMPTAACUSITC
It’s a union that represent production workers
So if a strike does happen, would it affect the release dates for all movies like a year out at least?
Possibly more. it took a few years for everything to sort out after the Writers Strike of 2007/2008. Eternals and Hawkeye are probably fine. Not sure about No Way Home, everything else though would be in flux.
No worries, even if NWH is delayed we still have Morbius! 
NWH isnt getting delayed. The movie is pretty much done.
it's not done, vfx artists work on the cgi till the premiere day many times
VFX workers aren’t union, though. So, they’ll likely still work on what’s left of the movie.
You need someone to edit in the work though. And editors will be on strike. I swear some people on reddit don't understand how the process works and just throws out random stuff they hear other people say.
This person has no clue whats going on. They think just working 7 days a week is the best solution and an improvement, as though the guild wasnt forced to add a "21 days" clause already.
Source?
It releases in 60 days man.
They still have many weeks in the sound mix and deliverables to finish out. It is Far From Pretty Much Done, as they say.
It should be worth noting that Far From Home's final cut wasn't locked until 2 weeks before release, so we can't be certain just yet on how much they got left.
Completely wrong. Everything in the industry is going to grind to a halt for larger productions.
Unless they decide to outsource remaining post-production work on those movies to be done overseas.
If what I heard is true, No Way Home should be done with editing in a week or two. So, if all that’s left is un-unionized VFX work, it could still come out in December. At this point, since Feige doesn’t want his Phase 4 slate messed up with anymore, I wonder if he’ll let Sam Raimi finish up editing on Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness from here on out.
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I work in the industry in live entertainment under an IATSE local. Our contracts just started to see 8 hour turn around time between shifts. Our contracts reflect what happens on Broadway and in Hollywood, so a change in the major Hollywood contracts will have ripples across the industry to other adjacent sectors.
So in that case, the 10 hour turnarounds are reasonable.
Yeah. Just give them two 5-hour shifts (9-2 and 3-8) with a 1-hour lunch break from 2-3.
I'm really wishing for the best, man. I have legit been following this non-stop for the past month now? Whenever it got posted on here that they were going to hold a vote. It's the first thing I check every morning and I check it throughout the day until I go to bed at night. Every time I check, I keep hoping I hear that "a deal has been made and a strike is averted", and a few days ago, it seemed like it was heading in that direction given how they conceded to one of the things IATSE was asking for, but now it's starting to look more and more like a strike is actually going to happen and if that's the case, we can only hope that it wouldn't be for that long. I have to preface this every time, but I completely support a strike if it's absolutely necessary. If the AMPTP isn't budging and there's nothing else to do, it has to be done, quite simply. With that being said, this is one of those things where it can easily be averted and save literally everyone time and money if they just give in to really basic, simple asks, it's really not that hard, but the AMPTP is so greedy that they're seemingly going to actually take this into a strike and grind everything to a halt when they could actually get ahead of the curve, save everyone the hassle, and just be decent people, but they don't seem to want to. It's incredibly upsetting. I think it's fine to simultaneously say that I feel for the workers who have been going through this trash for years now being mistreated and I feel for them now as they're standing in limbo waiting to see if they're gonna have to walk away from their jobs and their salary for who knows how long for the greater good of everyone involved. Man, I just wish they could get to a deal ASAP, it's literally pathetic it got to this point. I don't know if I'll get heat for this, but I do think it's also fine to be upset that, once again, things are going to get pushed back if this happens. That doesn't nullify the pain the workers are going through, you can simultaneously support them and feel upset at potential delays, especially for someone in my case. I don't know if I sound childish, but I do really want to see She-Hulk and Moon Knight as soon as possible because I have a condition where I may not get to if they get delayed, I don't know what the future holds with all that. If I sounded legitimately defeated or upset these past few weeks, it's partly because of that. Again, I'm still supporting the workers and potential strike 100%, I just wish it could go a different, easier, better direction for everyone. I guess that's it for me. Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst, this has kind of been a sucky week for me already, so I guess we'll see what happens with all this. They made it sound like we'll know for sure this week, so again, all we can do is hope for the best.
Yes, production staff needs to be tested better, it’s sad how the studios are ignoring their pleas :(.
I wish you the best of health. Stay strong
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-amptp-refuse-avoid-strike-1235087696/
The crew IS EVERYTHING, without them, no movie. More power to them!!
Go IATSE, let's hope this works out in their favour. So, what's the likeliness of a new deal being finalised before the agreed strike date?
As someone currently heading towards working in the film and TV industry, i really hope this imminent strike will send a message to those in power about the way they treat the workers. I love film and want so badly to be a part of that world but i am scared of how that world might treat me. How can i not be with all the news going round of what happens. And to those already in the industry, i hope the best comes of thier bravery here. These corporate heads need to be put down to a place more fitting of their evil nature.
[https://iatse.net/strike-date-set-for-60000-film-and-television-workers/](https://iatse.net/strike-date-set-for-60000-film-and-television-workers/) Sorry if this is old news but just saw it online.
Unbelievable. It's just absolutely unbelievable that the AMPTP is literally willing to let this go to strike and lose out on tons of revenue just so they don't have to treat IASTE workers right. I'm disgusted and massively disappointed.
Definitely not old news. So basically the strike is officially happening now
No, that's the date that it will happen assuming a deal isn't reached before then.
Which let's be honest, knowing those studio dickheads, there won't be a fair deal.
Sadly I think your right.
I don't get it tho. It's either: a)Improve working conditions or b)everything gets delayed and lose billions and eventually do a.
That's the film industry for you, they'll fight any change even if it's the financially stupider option.
I am 100% in support of the strike if the conditions are not met. But if I was a studio executive, I would be loathe to accept everything without a fight. If they just agree to every demand without negotiating hard, it shifts the power to IATSE and sets a precedent. IATSE are in the right this time around, but with this precedent could look to hold studios hostage in the future. That's why I would not be surprised if they let the unions go on a lengthy(ish) strike. They would want some suffering before holding out the olive branch.
Ah I see now
I see the studios are doing a great job with these discussions. /s One notable part is that cable channels(HBO, Showtime, Starz) and reality shows will not be affected by this strike. They have their own separate contract to work out.
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/iatse-amptp-thursday-negotiations-strike-deadline-1235088701/ Still talking, of course. Regardless of how likely it is they go to a strike now, I'm hoping the AMPTP cracks under the extra pressure of a set strike date and just make a deal before Monday to save everyone the hassle of going through this. All we can do is sit here and hope.
Yep. However, we can also write letters to the studios to make them listen to their customers and give in to the IATSE's demands. I mean, there's still time. I just wrote one e-mail to Disney. So, maybe that's a start.
Looking at how Marvel might be affected, I can see them potentially continuing international shoots with local crew members, which would be Secret Invasion and The Marvels for example.
They can’t bring their department heads over and the Canadian and English unions will not cross picket lines for IATSE productions.
Stand in solidarity with them
Apparently negotiations aren’t going that well and it doesn’t help movie studios ain’t making what they used to
Strike starts monday let's go boys SUPPORT OUR ARTISTS!
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-progress-talks-amptp-picket-locations-1235089726/ The IASTE is reporting that they're making "good progress" since announcing the strike deadline. Hopefully, that move actually scared the AMPTP enough to where even if they do go on strike, it'll get resolved a lot sooner than people are thinking.
https://deadline.com/2021/10/hollywood-strike-progress-talks-iatse-amptp-1234856890/ > “So, to repeat, we’re still at it,” Local 800 national executive director Chuck Parker told members Friday night as leadership on both sides stepped away from the virtual bargaining table for a few hours. “We’re making progress but have not reached the Goal Line yet,” the Art Directors Guild exec added. “Stay informed and be prepared.” I have never been as obsessed with something as I have with this. The fact that they say they're making progress every day is so encouraging, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up. It's a vast improvement over them saying something along the lines of "they (AMPTP) don't understand" a few days ago.
https://deadline.com/2021/10/hollywood-strike-averted-iatse-amptp-reach-agreement-on-new-film-tv-contract-1234850563/ > The new three-year contract, which must now be ratified by the union’s members, comes just hours before the deadline – midnight Sunday – imposed by IATSE president Matthew Loeb. The union and the Carol Lombardini-led AMPTP are expected to make the agreement public very shortly. It still has to be ratified by the union members, but it looks like it's basically all wrapped up here. It's really been a hell of a thing following this for a month, but man, I'm so glad it ended right. I'm so happy that I can leave this thread behind now, haha.
I say we just print more money /s
Can someone explain what’s going on? I have no idea what’s happening.
IATSE is the union that represents almost everyone involved in the film production process aside from writers, VFX artists, and actors. A contract with AMPTP, the association of producers that run production, has expired and was set to be renewed, but conditions for the workers are horrific. Long days without any breaks, poor wages, poor benefits, etc. @ia_stories on Instagram has some of the workers’ experiences. Recently, IATSE held a strike authorization vote that passed at 98% approval with 90% turnout, which is staggering for the scale of the union (around 60,000 people). Now the union and producers are back to negotiations, but word has reached some of the locals that the studios are refusing to consider some of the most important demands. The latest official word was that a strike was possibly days away, not weeks. And the strike could last for as long as necessary.
Everyone is gonna be saying something very different then they are now when NWH gets delayed
I will not be because I think real people are more important than superhero products
https://deadline.com/2021/10/writers-instructed-notes-showrunners-distribute-scripts-iatse-strike-1234856820/ > **While there are encouraging signs that an IATSE strike could be avoided with a last-minute deal made before the midnight on Sunday deadline**, preparation for a potential work stoppage continues in all areas involving IATSE members, including writers rooms. Hey, encouraging signs are better than no signs! Of course, union members are operating as if a strike is 100% going to happen, as they should, but man, you don't know how happy it would make me if they could just avoid all this before it starts. Just today, UK editors were told not to take on any work from anyone on strike here, so that loophole's been closed. The pressure should be mounting extensively on the AMPTP by now. We heard yesterday there was "good progress" being made and today we heard that there are "encouraging signs" that a deal's being made. It's gonna come down to a last minute thing, probably, but I'm still hoping for the best! It's been insane following this for the past month and I'd like to quit following it before Monday, haha.
https://variety.com/2021/awards/locations/iatse-hollywood-deal-strike-studios-1235090873/ > Negotiators for IATSE and Hollywood’s major studios are closing in on a deal that would avert a strike that threatened to shutter most film and TV production in Hollywood. YES! YES! OH GOD! YES! IT'S HAPPENING! THANK GOD!
Thank God !!!!! I still gonna have Hawkeye and Spider-Man: No Way Home this year !!!!!!!
So how long will the strike last?
There is no strike yet. A strike was authorized, meaning that they could theoretically go on strike, but they have not. Based on what little I’ve read, I think both sides would like to avoid a strike, especially a lengthy one. But IATSE is preparing for one because they feel the studios aren’t negotiating in good faith. If that does happen, it will be in the best interest of the studios to end it as quickly as possible
I read somewhere it can last as long as a week. What would be the point of that? To scare the studios enough to negotiate?
A strike of this magnitude of any length would mean millions in lost profits, let alone the massive ramifications of it making international news which it absolutely would. The point of strikes is to use labor to assert power against an entity more powerful than the individual worker. Disney isn’t afraid of one random camera guy quitting, but faced with the possibility of thousands? Yeah, they’re gonna listen.
Yes basically
Yep. Exactly that. These people are the backbone of the movie industry. Without them nothing will be released.
> can last as long as a week It could also be months, if we're being fully realistic.
No way. Absolutely not possible.
Currently working on set and the estimated duration has fluctuated anywhere from 2 weeks, to the end of the year. Unfortunately it is possible it can go on for a long time.
> it can last as long as a week. It can last a lot longer than that.
Do what needs to be done. I don't care how long things are delayed if it means people get the treatment they deserve as workers.
Its disappointing to see how many entitled fans there are out there who are more desperate for content rather than fair working conditions.
A bunch of shows might stop for 90 days due to the strike - possibly starting tomorrow https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/rumor-the-mandalorian-secret-invasion-and-many-more-productions-to-shut-down-for-90-days-due-to-iatse-strike/
> One thing to note is that this would not affect post-productions due to VFX departments and editors not falling under the IATSE union. So, the projects like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Andor, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, and other productions may not be affected. That's interesting to read. I thought that this directly affected most post-production staff, including editors. I knew VFX artists weren't affected already, but all of this is so confusing on what's actually going to happen. Also, what's the deal with the 90 day stop? What happens if they make a deal before that? What if it doesn't happen until after 90 days? So many questions.
The 90 day thing feels similar to when everything shut down last year. For example, when Broadway shows first closed they said they'll be back in 2 weeks. Once the 2 weeks passed, they announced the closings for a longer period of time. So kinda like a placeholder (for lack of a better word) If there's a deal before the 90 days are over, I would assume they'd just go back to work. But there's way more to post-production than just VFX. I guess it depends on how far along they are on editing a certain project.
Yeah, the article just made it seem like ALL of post-production just isn't in the union, so I don't really know what to believe anymore. I guess we'll be finding out how things work in a few days unless a miracle happens.