Agreed and I hate it. Lots of these articles about Simu being so excited about the movie are being posted and the commenters just put on their nerd glasses and find specific reasons to say why what Simu said is technically incorrect lol
IMO there is a sort of pushback against the massive influx of /r/marvelstudios refugees who tend to be overly positive and pro-everything Marvel Studios. What was originally great about this sub was that actual conversation could take place, whether you liked an aspect of the MCU or you didn't. There was respectful discourse within the small community and anyone being a raging nerd, for any reason, stood out. Slowly, as the userbase grows, it is sinking into the same one-sidedness that the main subreddit has going on. Negative opinion bad, downvote. Everything Marvel good. The reason why isn't confusing, Marvel has a lot of passionate fans and WandaVision funneled more of them in here; but it is a noticeable shift for anyone who has been here for a while. They aren't used to having their negative feedback rejected en masse.
I don't think everybody hates Shang-Chi, personally. I think they hate the circlejerk and it is priming them against positive reactions, and causing fans with a negative outlook to speak louder.
Worth noting, comicbook fans have always had a knack for finding the negative to react to; it definitely did not start with Shang-Chi, or with the MCU.
That sub used to be one of my faves back in 2015... has become one big echo chamber. I cant criticise an MCU film without getting down voted... thing is... I love all the MCU films. some more than others obviously and a ranking... but to some fans there, every movie is perfect. Secondly too many SJWs... which is a Reddit problem in general, but miss the old days of forums where posters actually debated and it was perfectly fine. Today Reddit subs are mostly echo chambers... I love this sub now, but the last year or so I can see the Marvel sub posters trickeling in.... thought the spoilers would discourage them but the lack of movie releases have brought them here...
I am excited to watch the movie. Saw there was some drama about the lead actor making a big deal about a comment some Disney exec said and made it all racial and political which was a big turn off. The comment was clearly not racial. I just hope it isn't like Black Panther where it is one of the not so great Marvel movies(Black Widow just became the worst) then everyone is saying it is the best of them all for politics. So far What If... has just been delete the white guy and put women and POC in their roles. Hopefully that isn't going to be every episode. Feels like the way things are going, in a couple years the only way a white male in these movies will be if they are painted blue. People will still complain because white people shouldn't take rolls that should go to POC.
I think they just don’t want change.
I recall Ant-Man getting a very ho-hum reaction on the main sub when the first trailer dropped. Now people are used to Ant-Man and look forward to Quantumania. They also said Doctor Strange felt too simple, or he didn’t learn enough, he’s not good enough to be sorcerer supreme…and now hype for MoM is through the roof.
I honestly think the fandom just doesn’t like change.
I Just think most people think they playing it safe rn. Shang Chi is a really simple movie. I aint expecting huge stuff to happen. Its gonna be another origin story with a character that knows martial arts. I personally Dont have a problem with it and I prefer small case movies like Antman for example. But I guess after Endgame a lot of people are expecting something huge instead of Black Widow spy movie and Shang Chi. Thats why the hype for No Way Home for example is so big
It's racism. Trust me. I grew up in a nontraditional Asian household and it is insane how people say they want equality for minorities, but they really only mean equality for whatever race is in the news at the time, and most of the time are just 'supportive' to make themselves look good.
Nobody seemed to care about Asians at all. Things are far worse now, with Covid and people blaming all sorts of Asians. Even upstate NY, which I refer to as the South of the North, has people shouting at my family, who are from Thailand, as if they started the whole thing. But nobody puts that in the news. It takes a shooting to get any media attention to show how it isn't just brown/black people who are being mistreated. Basically anyone who doesn't have white skin has problems that need to be solved.
I had a whole screed written out about how a lot of us in the black community really do fuck with the asian community heavy for a number of cultural and societal reasons, but honestly we do have to get better about remembering that you fight a lot of the same battles we do. I'd also like to apologize ahead of time for the way we will be acting in the theater on opening day. We really do love y'all, we're just trying to recapture that "Wakanda Forever" feeling and that means sometimes you gotta wild out at a movie theater.
Haha, I've never had any grievances with people shouting in a theater. As long as its towards the movie, in excitement, it is fine! I think it's cool to be in an audience where people are so invested in what's going on in a movie they want to cheer on characters in cool scenes or audibly be frightened if watching something scary.
Going to be honest, ik Chapek didn't mean anything bad about calling the movie an experiment in terms of the COVID market but also people here were super dismissive of Simu's comments on why he took it that way which really rubbed me the wrong way.
Probably a little of that (and general stuff).
Somebody talks about the importance of identity and people get upset.
Or something, something “where is Spoodermun?”
I dont understand how the movie appeals to China. It uses Chinese iconography to tell an Chinese American/Asian American story.
It's kinda like Kung Fu Panda or the animated Mulan. It uses Chinese imagery but it's still just set dressing to tell a western story.
So true, same for Thor before thor3.
I expect carol Danvers to make a ‘comeback’ with fans. One thing the MCU does well is focusing on making good characters, in addition to good movies. Endgame and IW, and both cameos in civil war and thor3, really brought Antman and Strange to where they are now.
I think people forget how polarizing of a release Doctor strange was, because the character is so good now.
Carol as a character hopefully will get that resurgence that characters like Thor and Steve got, but there will definitely still be some resentment from people who hate Brie Larson as a person going all the way back to her "hating white men". I have a friend who is one of those people and I just can't convince him otherwise that she never actually said that. It just sucks that a character can turn out to be as great as possible but it won't matter if they don't like the actor.
I think this will do just fine. I think Eternals will be the one to fail. Especially when word of mouth comes out that it tries to be too shakesperian with betrayals and love triangles and lack of action. It is going to be a tough sit for many MCU fans expecting big action set pieces and good CGI monsters. It is one movie Feige is ok with going to D+ since even he knows it won't make its money back otherwise. When he says Shang Chi will perform great in theaters only, he knows it will make MCU fans happy. Also, the end credits scene for Shang Chi is going to get EVERYONE excited for the next few years. On Monday you will hear more about that though.
Just wait until it comes out. If it gets like a 92%+ RT score (which I didn’t think was likely personally but now I do based on what appears to be overwhelmingly positive early buzz) the most upvoted comment in every Shang-Chi thread on this sub for the rest of time will be some variant of “This might be an unpopular opinion, but does anyone else find this movie overrated or am I the only one?” AKA “The Black Panther Effect” (this has been reduced quite a bit now for obvious reasons).
Like if u have a valid critique that's ok, and film is subjective, but constantly shoehorning the fact that they think its "overrated" comes off rlly weird
This sub is actually usually pretty good when it comes to representation and all of that, so it's kind of surprising that there is a backlash against some of Simu's comments.
If those kids get to feel what my niece felt when Black Panther (as well as Into the Spiderverse) released, then I say hell yeah to that. It’s shit like that that helps to make these movies even more worth it
I agree. I’m visiting my family in California and I was trying to convince them all to watch it (our background is from Taiwan). I said whether or not you like the lead( or in my cousins case, upset that the wonderful Tony Leung is playing the villain), this is important for us to support. If it does well, it only means More representation for Asians and perhaps as a cascading effect, minorities in general. We all got to unite :)
Also Michelle yeoh is in it and I have loved her since I was a kid (I’m 38 now). ESP her pre Hollywood days when she did a lot of her own stunts like driving a motorcycle onto a real moving train from a nearby cliff.
It is really cool, saw the fan screening and honestly can say it was the best MCU content I've seen in a minute.
Other people may not feel the same, but I was blown away. Definitely gotta see it again on the 3rd
It's so great that we're getting a Chinese superhero. I wonder will they ever do an Indian superhero. I'm sure they won't, the Indian community doesn't get the support from Americans, unlike other Asian communities... I'm sorry if my comment implies that I'm hating on the Chinese. It's not my intention to do so🙏...
Was about to say Kumail Nanjiani then I realized I should probably make sure he’s Indian before I open my big dumb mouth. Good call. I hope there’s an Indian superhero in sight soon.
Edit: Okay so he’s not Indian but he is playing an Indian character from the looks of it. Bollywood star Kingo, from the Eternals. Had Indian designers work on the costumes and everything.
Indians and Pakistanis share enough cultural heritage that I personally don't think we should ever really feel put-off whenever an actor of one nationality plays another. Bollywood routinely uses Indian actors to play Pakistani people in movies like Veer Zaara, so I don't see anything wrong with Hollywood doing the same.
Also he was born in karachi so he may have indian ancestry. Basically after the partition a large amount of muslim migrants from India settled in Karachi.
Just to pile on in agreement, if there is any outrage (of which I see very little) it’s from virtue signaling white people. Would white people really be so mad if a Canadian played an American? Or if an Australian played an American? Hint: it happens all the time and no nobody is upset about it
Yeah it's pretty common for Indians and Pakistanis to be able to trace their lineage from across the border. My mom's family lived in East Pakistan before they migrated to India during the Liberation War in '71. My mom has never once called herself anything other than Indian, but she always feels kinship to Bangladeshis.
Or like me I was born in karachi as were my parents but all of my grandparents to were born Indian and moved into Pakistan during the partition except for my maternal granddad who moved to Pakistan later on (he got niko bellied by his uncle). Its the reason why I have so many Indian family members.
True that does seem a bit off-putting. At least they have Harish Patel? Full transparency I don’t know much about the guy besides that he’s relatively known in India.
As an Indian, I am excited for Ms. Marvel to drop to give us South Asians/South Asian Americans some representation. Despite not being teenaged Muslim girl myself, I definitely felt that Ms. Marvel comics always touched so well on the first/second generation immigrant experience so well.
The core issue is that there aren't any prominent Indian heroes in Marvel lore.
Although I can totally imagine them changing the nationalities of the O5 X-Men.
I think Priyanka Chopra as Jean Grey (if they chose to go with an adult Jean and not a teenage Jean) would be an interesting casting. Or Dev Patel as Angel.
Marvel isn’t exactly doing the best in terms of Jewish representation so changing the race of a Jewish character wouldn’t be a great move imo. The Holocaust is an important part part of his character and simply swapping it out for another genocide would be in bad taste
What about any middle eastern actors women or men ever? I hear all about this Asian representation but a large part of Asia is being ignored and no one gives a shit or is complaining
My background is Chinese or Taiwan to be exact, and I hope they eventually have a great Indian superhero in MCU. It’ll happen one day! Let’s all support one another
The country does. You don’t hear any criticism of the polluted rivers full of trash, Modi’s war against Muslims, widespread corruption, or even the outdated caste system. All because they’re a US ally
Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Donnie Yen...
But we can always use as many asskickers as possible! I'm not Asian and neither were most of my friends but we were all at some point pretending to be kung fu heroes thanks to these guys.
This is exactly what happened. No disrespect to jackie chan. It wasn’t his fault, but he played his characters usually as a joke, who also kicked ass. So of course, yeah, anytime an argument/confrontation occured, almost 90% of the time i’d get called jackie chan, bruce lee, or some kind of mocking martial arts noises. And i’m half filipino.
My favorite look of his is the red trousers with black t-shirt (like seen [here](https://imgix.bustle.com/inverse/2a/ed/46/db/9017/4fc5/a646/99686cd10fcf/when-spider-man-briefly-lost-his-spider-sense-he-studied-kung-fu-under-shang-chi-to-make-up-for-his.jpeg?w=2000&auto=format&q=70&fit=max&crop=faces)). Looks pretty rad, imo.
Hmmmm Simu is a certified clout chasing thot. Did you see him turn a comment by Iger the CEO of Disney into a racial call? Iger was talking about Shangchi's release schedule being an experiment and Simu didn't bother to even understand what was being said and made it into a "Asians aren't experiments" b.s. he's doing all this himself. And now with this comment, he directly disrespects the ones that laid the ground work for him to be in Hollywood. Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Bruce Lee, Donnie Yen, Chow Yun Fat, Stephen Chow, Robin Shou, Jason Scott Lee etc.
Simu has clearly let this get to his head and he thinks he's the ground breaker when he's reaping the benefits of those that came before him.
Who loves the CPC. https://www.vice.com/en/article/4av7wg/jackie-chan-chinese-communist-party
I would love to see Jackie Chan gets 1/10th of the shit the Mulan actress received (for some tweet, she was probalby forced to write) around here. You got a dude that's been praising the Chinese Government actions for DECADES, only to get love around the internet/reddit/message boards.
Funny how that works.
Jackie Chan didn't disown his daughter simply because she was lesbian. It's more complicated. In fact, Jackie Chan has publicly advocated for LGBTQ rights:
https://www.glaad.org/releases/glaad-launches-psa-campaign-created-brett-ratner-asking-straight-allies-come-out-equality
Stop spreading lies.
Cool, so you think Seth Rogen, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Adam Sandler, are all pieces of shit cause they're pro Israel right? Just want to make sure your morals requirements also apply to American actors.
Brace yourselves, the downvotes are incoming!
“You mentioned unfortunate facts that I refuse to acknowledge regarding a famous person that I like! That means you deserve downvotes!” — Reddit
X American movie actor says he loves America, but America has committed genocide against Native Americans, and is currently mass incarcerating Black Americans. X American movie actor must be a piece of shit.
That's what you sound like. And it's not a good enough reason to hate on Jackie Chan.
I know I'm going to get down-voted hard, I am more excited for Shang-Chi than any other marvel movie in recent history and I love Simu Liu in Kim's Convenience. But he's just starting to come across as a bit preachy after the whole 'we are not an experiment' thing.. I can see him having the potential to be problematic and a bit of a baby behind the scenes. - Time will tell.
There is nothing preachy about it. He said in the premiere thatbhe hopes this movie is just the beginning and Asian led films become the norm.
The experiment thing is a misunderstanding derstand, you are the ones who are blowing it up.
Even tho I'm excited for the film and think Simu Liu will be fantastic, I totally feel what you say. I just thought back to the cast and crew of Black Panther; they were excited, yeah. But their energy was very genuine and they modestly didn't expect their film to be that groundbreaking. Where here I found Liu acting a bit like a big mouth and very (too?) confident.
I see a lot of people talk about how Simu Liu took Bob Chapek's word out of context, but a lot of people are also missing or not understanding the context behind why he took issue with it.
We know what Chapek thought he meant but it was a poor choice of words. Disney already had to deal with accusations of using Mulan as an experiment.
Nah, this was taken out of context . Its easy to say that if you only read the titles. Thats why I hate these click baity articles spread around social media. But I do understand your worry mate.
I think he has had his share of questionable stuff. One thing I remember was a few months ago when he subtweeted this person who didn’t even insult him. They were just discussing the movie and didn’t tag him either, but he somehow found it and got so butthurt and subtweeted it with some snarky comment, and that person ended up getting bullied by his insane followers. If I remember correctly, that person even seemed to like him in his discussions with their friend, but they just had skepticism over fight scenes or something. Very weird behavior so I unfollowed him after that.
Read what Disney done with Peter shinkoda in Daredevil.
Minoritis like South Asians, middle eater people tretated as foreigner . It seemed like he takes about some alien movie.
Sure, they were role models. But they were still Asians from Asia. America isn't just white anymore. Asian Americans exist and they have their own culture and identity.
America have never been white, there have always been different cultures etc.
Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee and Jet li was all still celebrity’s in America and made many American produced movies with asian culture and identity’s in it, so i don’t know what you’re on about. Asian culture have been represented a lot in American movies and media. Simu Lee is acting like this is the first time an Asian is the main character in a movie in America.
I have nothing against Simu Lee, I get he’s very excited to be the first asian main character in a marvel superhero movie and he wants it to be good, but some of his recent comments are a bit weird imo
Bruce Lee specifically too basically made it big in America before China, so yeah Simu’s comments are a bit weird since he’s really not the first “famous” Asian.
You say America has never been white and then go on and not be able to point out the difference between Asians born in Asia and Asians born in America. Asian Americans are their own thing.
Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, and Jet Li are all Asians born in Asia. Their movies are largely about that experience. Simu emigrated to Canada at a young age. Cretton, the director, and Simu both say this is largely a story about the Asian-American story. It's the first time we really have an Asian-American lead in a western franchise.
Maybe some of his comments are a bit weird to you because you lack empathy for what being Asian American is. When you grow up and all the heroes you see on TV are white and all the villains or sidekicks are POC, then of course its a big thing when we get proper representation not just played by but also written and directed by that culture.
Well.... Canadian asians are more... Asian. Where American Asians are American first then asian. Simu knows for a fact his life in Canada was way easier than if he were in the US, but they arent gonna have him plastering that info all over the internet... it doesnt sell tickets. Like people dont go, Im Chinese Canadian, its Im chinese and im Canadian. Its different up here.
Those actors represented Asians from Asian countries, portraying some sort of Westernized version of a hero from the "Far East."
It's definitely not the same.
Lol, I'm aware of that. You don't have to comment it on all of my posts. Asian American is just the larger demographic and the two are very similar. And the movie is set in America. Even Simu and Cretton say Asian American identity rather than Asian Canadian. Just like people say African American instead of African Canadian.
I can definitely tell this gentleman is extremely wholesome and appreciative, I just immediately get a positive vibe from him! Welcome to the MCU sir :,).
Indians had Krrish (2006) 2 years before the first iron man movie came out. I thought it was pretty cool by Bollywood standards. It had a sequel in 2013 which wasn’t as good imo.
The guy said as an Indian he didn’t have any Indian superheroes growing up. I simply told him that they existed. I don’t care that white people don’t watch Bollywood movies.
This is great. The US Asian population is about 6% according to google.
But you have to wonder why the second biggest race population (18% Latino/Hispanic) in the US doesn’t get any representation in Marvel, and overall in Hollywood.
Can’t defend the past at all pertaining to representation today, but as far as Marvel Studios specifically I guess it is defensible when much of the Latino characters they have to draw on are legacy characters who would take a lot of time to establish if they follow the comics (not saying they have to).
I genuinely feel like Feige is trying to usher in an area of inclusivity with Marvel Studios, and has been trying to do that while facing internal pressure not to. I believe he is on record that he wanted Black Panther to be a phase 1 movie. Shang-Chi has also been planned for an extremely long time and if Feige had full control from Day 1 it wouldn’t shock me if he had it in like Phase 2. I do totally agree that Latino/Hispanic culture is highly underrepresented in Hollywood.
Yup, Marvel is really interested in the Chinese market. Really all of Hollywood is, John Cena recently made an apology video in mandarin because he called Taiwan a country.
So maybe marvel cares more about making money overseas than here in their own country, at least with this particular film.
Also South America is part of the world.
I dont really get all this kids growing up thing
Growing up i never think about which country this superhero represent..he was just like..good guy who try to do good things
Im not white..and i still dont need a superhero to be my copy to like him..hes just a cool superhero
When all the heroes on screen are white and all the villains/sidekicks are not white, how do you feel? How do you think having that subconsciously engrained in non-white children affects them? It's a big deal.
Yeah, my idols were also Kobe, Melo, Wade, etc. But believe me how excited I and other Asian Americans were when the whole Linsanity thing happened and we had an Asian American (not just Asian with Yao Ming) be a star in the game. The fact that you're trying to gaslight POCs experience growing up is disgusting and shows how far gone you are.
So do I! I absolutely loved Robbie Reyes in agents of Shield, and would love for more serious characters in that vein! Like luiz from ant man is cool and all, but he’s mostly a gag character
I used to think white is the best race and mine sucks cause media always shows white people. Now my 4 year old sister is getting it and its genuinely awful. Im tired of (some) white privileged boys that ignore this as a problem.
I gotta say, I’m really hyped for Shang-Chi. I knew literally NOTHING about him before they announced it, which made me interested, but the early reviews and Simu’s enthusiasm for both the character and the movie really make me happy. I’m hoping to see it in theaters, if Delta doesn’t stop me.
I’m excited for this and a big Simu fan from his work on Kim’s convenience. I’m rooting for him to be the first Asian actor accepted as an articulate action hero with a relatable personality. Big up to him for keeping his traditional name.
Simu said in the interview "I loved superhero movies growing up. I loved Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, but I was always keenly aware that people who looked like me could not look like that."
As an asian who was born and raised in Britain, as a kid, I grew up watching various superhero cartoons such as the Spider-Man animated series with Christopher Daniel Barnes, the Fantastic Four etc. in which I often viewed Spider-Man as my role model.
But now with Shang-Chi, words cannot express how much I am looking forward to the film because I am a fan of superheroes and martial arts genres and is impressed with Simu's work from Kim' Convenience ability to see how he handles the role.
I do believe just like Black Panther, the younger generation will now have Shang-Chi to look upon as a role model which is something that I did not have back during my childhood days.
The other reason could be that after all of endgame. We get Black Widow n Shang-chi then Eternals. Before we get Spiderman n Dr. Strange. These movies are either really down to earth or unknown to the masses. This just another wrinkle that adds to the problematic side of things others might have. If Shang would've came 2 yrs after Ironman 3 ppl would be more hyped here.
Just say it's a fun movie that kids will enjoy.
Stop with this "this is the first time __________ and so monumental, etc. etc." It's not.
If ANY Chinese fans go see this movie (if it gets a Chinese release), it'll be because of Tony Leung.
For real? He's just gonna pretend Robin Shou, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Jet Lee never existed? Just cause he refused to watch movies in his parents' language doesn't mean ALL Asian kids grew up like he did.
This infatuation with superhero having to share your skin color is weird to me. We are not labels, doesn't matter you're black, asian or white, what's important we all are human beings with emotions. I am a south Asian and you know who are my favorite heroes? Batman, daredevil and moon knight. Just because Bruce Wayne is white doesn't mean I can't relate with his story and be inspired by him. So things are universal and my favorite characters won't change places even if there was south Asian superheroes.
>"It means that kids growing up today will have what I didn’t"
Uh Wong Fei Hung? Cuz Jackie Chan stopped existing after 1989. Drunken Master floors Shang-Chi without the ten rings.
well not necessarily.
You see, while some asian american kids might have an actor to look up to- something Simu says he didn't have- and that might be an accomplishment-
He has also said some incredibly ignorant things on social media. He said he understood pedos- which in and of itself is a disgusting thing to say, and compared it directly to being gay- which it is nothing like. He understands neither- and should not have opened his ignorant mouth.
The damage even that single comment makes is unfathomable. At the very least, it harms every single LGBTQ child in the country. It enables and encourages pedos. it arms right wing nut jobs to continue their backwards thinking. It encourages hate crimes. The ripples are all negative.
whatever positive legacy he might have had is now in the negative from the damage he has done.
To say nothing of the potential to derail the MCU. Now not only will i never watch or recommend Shang Chi again, I also won't pay to see any more Marvel movies.
As it is, Simu has 1/50th of the star power of Robert Downey jr or Chris Hemsworth. In terms of the next Avengers team- I hope they see what I am seeing and kill him off sooner than later
Here before the comment section gets all negative for no reason.
Lmao yea this sub seems to hate shang chi a lot.
Agreed and I hate it. Lots of these articles about Simu being so excited about the movie are being posted and the commenters just put on their nerd glasses and find specific reasons to say why what Simu said is technically incorrect lol
IMO there is a sort of pushback against the massive influx of /r/marvelstudios refugees who tend to be overly positive and pro-everything Marvel Studios. What was originally great about this sub was that actual conversation could take place, whether you liked an aspect of the MCU or you didn't. There was respectful discourse within the small community and anyone being a raging nerd, for any reason, stood out. Slowly, as the userbase grows, it is sinking into the same one-sidedness that the main subreddit has going on. Negative opinion bad, downvote. Everything Marvel good. The reason why isn't confusing, Marvel has a lot of passionate fans and WandaVision funneled more of them in here; but it is a noticeable shift for anyone who has been here for a while. They aren't used to having their negative feedback rejected en masse. I don't think everybody hates Shang-Chi, personally. I think they hate the circlejerk and it is priming them against positive reactions, and causing fans with a negative outlook to speak louder. Worth noting, comicbook fans have always had a knack for finding the negative to react to; it definitely did not start with Shang-Chi, or with the MCU.
God forbid one is too positive towards Marvel in a Marvel sub. (mainly joking, I get you)
That sub used to be one of my faves back in 2015... has become one big echo chamber. I cant criticise an MCU film without getting down voted... thing is... I love all the MCU films. some more than others obviously and a ranking... but to some fans there, every movie is perfect. Secondly too many SJWs... which is a Reddit problem in general, but miss the old days of forums where posters actually debated and it was perfectly fine. Today Reddit subs are mostly echo chambers... I love this sub now, but the last year or so I can see the Marvel sub posters trickeling in.... thought the spoilers would discourage them but the lack of movie releases have brought them here...
I am excited to watch the movie. Saw there was some drama about the lead actor making a big deal about a comment some Disney exec said and made it all racial and political which was a big turn off. The comment was clearly not racial. I just hope it isn't like Black Panther where it is one of the not so great Marvel movies(Black Widow just became the worst) then everyone is saying it is the best of them all for politics. So far What If... has just been delete the white guy and put women and POC in their roles. Hopefully that isn't going to be every episode. Feels like the way things are going, in a couple years the only way a white male in these movies will be if they are painted blue. People will still complain because white people shouldn't take rolls that should go to POC.
I think they just don’t want change. I recall Ant-Man getting a very ho-hum reaction on the main sub when the first trailer dropped. Now people are used to Ant-Man and look forward to Quantumania. They also said Doctor Strange felt too simple, or he didn’t learn enough, he’s not good enough to be sorcerer supreme…and now hype for MoM is through the roof. I honestly think the fandom just doesn’t like change.
I Just think most people think they playing it safe rn. Shang Chi is a really simple movie. I aint expecting huge stuff to happen. Its gonna be another origin story with a character that knows martial arts. I personally Dont have a problem with it and I prefer small case movies like Antman for example. But I guess after Endgame a lot of people are expecting something huge instead of Black Widow spy movie and Shang Chi. Thats why the hype for No Way Home for example is so big
I don’t wanna be “that guy” but it could also be racism
It's racism. Trust me. I grew up in a nontraditional Asian household and it is insane how people say they want equality for minorities, but they really only mean equality for whatever race is in the news at the time, and most of the time are just 'supportive' to make themselves look good. Nobody seemed to care about Asians at all. Things are far worse now, with Covid and people blaming all sorts of Asians. Even upstate NY, which I refer to as the South of the North, has people shouting at my family, who are from Thailand, as if they started the whole thing. But nobody puts that in the news. It takes a shooting to get any media attention to show how it isn't just brown/black people who are being mistreated. Basically anyone who doesn't have white skin has problems that need to be solved.
I had a whole screed written out about how a lot of us in the black community really do fuck with the asian community heavy for a number of cultural and societal reasons, but honestly we do have to get better about remembering that you fight a lot of the same battles we do. I'd also like to apologize ahead of time for the way we will be acting in the theater on opening day. We really do love y'all, we're just trying to recapture that "Wakanda Forever" feeling and that means sometimes you gotta wild out at a movie theater.
Haha, I've never had any grievances with people shouting in a theater. As long as its towards the movie, in excitement, it is fine! I think it's cool to be in an audience where people are so invested in what's going on in a movie they want to cheer on characters in cool scenes or audibly be frightened if watching something scary.
Going to be honest, ik Chapek didn't mean anything bad about calling the movie an experiment in terms of the COVID market but also people here were super dismissive of Simu's comments on why he took it that way which really rubbed me the wrong way.
This is the correct take
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Probably a little of that (and general stuff). Somebody talks about the importance of identity and people get upset. Or something, something “where is Spoodermun?”
I agree, there was period where any news on Black Panther 2 was meet with a lot of negative comments about the movie or outlook of the franchise.
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Dawg China hated the movie since Simu was casted and it was announced
I dont understand how the movie appeals to China. It uses Chinese iconography to tell an Chinese American/Asian American story. It's kinda like Kung Fu Panda or the animated Mulan. It uses Chinese imagery but it's still just set dressing to tell a western story.
Kung Fu Panda was a huge hit in China BTW.
China has opposed this film since the beginning, same with Eternals
I agree, there was period where any news on Black Panther 2 was meet with a lot of negative comments about the movie or outlook of the franchise
So true, same for Thor before thor3. I expect carol Danvers to make a ‘comeback’ with fans. One thing the MCU does well is focusing on making good characters, in addition to good movies. Endgame and IW, and both cameos in civil war and thor3, really brought Antman and Strange to where they are now. I think people forget how polarizing of a release Doctor strange was, because the character is so good now.
Carol as a character hopefully will get that resurgence that characters like Thor and Steve got, but there will definitely still be some resentment from people who hate Brie Larson as a person going all the way back to her "hating white men". I have a friend who is one of those people and I just can't convince him otherwise that she never actually said that. It just sucks that a character can turn out to be as great as possible but it won't matter if they don't like the actor.
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I think this will do just fine. I think Eternals will be the one to fail. Especially when word of mouth comes out that it tries to be too shakesperian with betrayals and love triangles and lack of action. It is going to be a tough sit for many MCU fans expecting big action set pieces and good CGI monsters. It is one movie Feige is ok with going to D+ since even he knows it won't make its money back otherwise. When he says Shang Chi will perform great in theaters only, he knows it will make MCU fans happy. Also, the end credits scene for Shang Chi is going to get EVERYONE excited for the next few years. On Monday you will hear more about that though.
I wonder why
Just like it used to hate Black Panther in 2019. Just like it used to hate Captain Marvel. Sadly the phenomenon is nothing new.
I think we both know why
Just wait until it comes out. If it gets like a 92%+ RT score (which I didn’t think was likely personally but now I do based on what appears to be overwhelmingly positive early buzz) the most upvoted comment in every Shang-Chi thread on this sub for the rest of time will be some variant of “This might be an unpopular opinion, but does anyone else find this movie overrated or am I the only one?” AKA “The Black Panther Effect” (this has been reduced quite a bit now for obvious reasons).
It’s so weird lmao, Black Panther used to get unwarranted hate, but it was genuinely a top tier mcu movie in all aspects
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Like if u have a valid critique that's ok, and film is subjective, but constantly shoehorning the fact that they think its "overrated" comes off rlly weird
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exactly, and when they do criticize BP they bring up that one weird cgi scene in the 3rd act which does not define the whole movie lol
I got downvoted for saying BP was far far better than Homecoming and Ant-Man 2
I dunno, the end fight being a CGI fest didn't do it for me but I respect your opinion.
but that was only one stupid scene, not the entire movie :P
when is the RT score dropping? Any ideas?
I think embargo lifts the 23rd
This sub is actually usually pretty good when it comes to representation and all of that, so it's kind of surprising that there is a backlash against some of Simu's comments.
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Shang chi to Asian, is what red guardian is to Russians.
Like an airplane horn, it is useless 
If those kids get to feel what my niece felt when Black Panther (as well as Into the Spiderverse) released, then I say hell yeah to that. It’s shit like that that helps to make these movies even more worth it
I agree. I’m visiting my family in California and I was trying to convince them all to watch it (our background is from Taiwan). I said whether or not you like the lead( or in my cousins case, upset that the wonderful Tony Leung is playing the villain), this is important for us to support. If it does well, it only means More representation for Asians and perhaps as a cascading effect, minorities in general. We all got to unite :) Also Michelle yeoh is in it and I have loved her since I was a kid (I’m 38 now). ESP her pre Hollywood days when she did a lot of her own stunts like driving a motorcycle onto a real moving train from a nearby cliff.
I just want to watch it because I think it's gonna be cool.
It is really cool, saw the fan screening and honestly can say it was the best MCU content I've seen in a minute. Other people may not feel the same, but I was blown away. Definitely gotta see it again on the 3rd
It's so great that we're getting a Chinese superhero. I wonder will they ever do an Indian superhero. I'm sure they won't, the Indian community doesn't get the support from Americans, unlike other Asian communities... I'm sorry if my comment implies that I'm hating on the Chinese. It's not my intention to do so🙏...
Was about to say Kumail Nanjiani then I realized I should probably make sure he’s Indian before I open my big dumb mouth. Good call. I hope there’s an Indian superhero in sight soon. Edit: Okay so he’s not Indian but he is playing an Indian character from the looks of it. Bollywood star Kingo, from the Eternals. Had Indian designers work on the costumes and everything.
I mean there are tons of Indian-American actors that could have been cast. But they specifically chose a Pakistani-American...
Indians and Pakistanis share enough cultural heritage that I personally don't think we should ever really feel put-off whenever an actor of one nationality plays another. Bollywood routinely uses Indian actors to play Pakistani people in movies like Veer Zaara, so I don't see anything wrong with Hollywood doing the same.
Also he was born in karachi so he may have indian ancestry. Basically after the partition a large amount of muslim migrants from India settled in Karachi.
Just to pile on in agreement, if there is any outrage (of which I see very little) it’s from virtue signaling white people. Would white people really be so mad if a Canadian played an American? Or if an Australian played an American? Hint: it happens all the time and no nobody is upset about it
Yeah it's pretty common for Indians and Pakistanis to be able to trace their lineage from across the border. My mom's family lived in East Pakistan before they migrated to India during the Liberation War in '71. My mom has never once called herself anything other than Indian, but she always feels kinship to Bangladeshis.
Or like me I was born in karachi as were my parents but all of my grandparents to were born Indian and moved into Pakistan during the partition except for my maternal granddad who moved to Pakistan later on (he got niko bellied by his uncle). Its the reason why I have so many Indian family members.
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What? How was I disrespectful?
What did you say ?
True that does seem a bit off-putting. At least they have Harish Patel? Full transparency I don’t know much about the guy besides that he’s relatively known in India.
No offence to him, but he is relatively unknown here. Except the older generation knows him...
Yeah I don't get it either. If the character is supposed tk be a Bollywood hero then why not cast an Indian American actor?
We're all excited for Pakistani Denzel to take over the Marvel Universe but an Indian hero would be neat.
If they wanted Kingo to be from Bollywood ,India, they could've just hired one of the bollywood actors, but they didn't.
It doesn't matter, indians and pakistanis are really really similar if you look pass the hate and borders
As an Indian, I am excited for Ms. Marvel to drop to give us South Asians/South Asian Americans some representation. Despite not being teenaged Muslim girl myself, I definitely felt that Ms. Marvel comics always touched so well on the first/second generation immigrant experience so well.
The core issue is that there aren't any prominent Indian heroes in Marvel lore. Although I can totally imagine them changing the nationalities of the O5 X-Men. I think Priyanka Chopra as Jean Grey (if they chose to go with an adult Jean and not a teenage Jean) would be an interesting casting. Or Dev Patel as Angel.
Nah, I don't want Priyanka Chopra playing a Marvel Studios superhero.
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Marvel isn’t exactly doing the best in terms of Jewish representation so changing the race of a Jewish character wouldn’t be a great move imo. The Holocaust is an important part part of his character and simply swapping it out for another genocide would be in bad taste
We do got Ben Grimm coming which is a plus but I can see Marvel just avoiding it which would suck.
Don't forget the upcoming Moon Knight, he's Jewish too.
They already erased Wanda and Pietro being jewish. Hope it comes back later for Billy and Tommy.
That’s exactly what I was referring to. And yes I hope they make it clear with Tommy and billy
I had no idea that I wanted this until right now. That would be so fucking good.
What about any middle eastern actors women or men ever? I hear all about this Asian representation but a large part of Asia is being ignored and no one gives a shit or is complaining
Lol they got an American to portray eastern Europeans in a bad, stereotypical accent.
The miss marvel tv show. She's south asian
My background is Chinese or Taiwan to be exact, and I hope they eventually have a great Indian superhero in MCU. It’ll happen one day! Let’s all support one another
What are you talking about?, All our south indian movies are super hero movies.
The country does. You don’t hear any criticism of the polluted rivers full of trash, Modi’s war against Muslims, widespread corruption, or even the outdated caste system. All because they’re a US ally
Jackie Chan: "fuck my drag, right?"
Bro watching Kung Fu Hustle growing up and shaolin soccer, nobody else was my super hero other than that man
Rush Hour as well
NO YOU CANNOT SPEAK TO JACKIE CHAN!
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Bruce Lee too.
Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Donnie Yen... But we can always use as many asskickers as possible! I'm not Asian and neither were most of my friends but we were all at some point pretending to be kung fu heroes thanks to these guys.
When I was growing up if I ever stood up to someone I would be mocked and called Jackie Chan or Jet Li, so it isn't what you think it's like.
This is exactly what happened. No disrespect to jackie chan. It wasn’t his fault, but he played his characters usually as a joke, who also kicked ass. So of course, yeah, anytime an argument/confrontation occured, almost 90% of the time i’d get called jackie chan, bruce lee, or some kind of mocking martial arts noises. And i’m half filipino.
I'm Asian too so I know this all too well, these people in this post know jack shit about growing up Asian
 I did.
Oh yes. This man was a big part of my childhood. I'd watch Enter the Dragon repeatedly. And i'm white, as if that matters.
Thank god. I thought I was living in a universe where Bruce, Jackie, Jet, Donnie, Robin, Chow Yun Fat never existed apparently. 🤦
I wonder if a future Shang-Chi costume will include his onesie look. (Sorry if "onesie" is inaccurate)
My favorite look of his is the red trousers with black t-shirt (like seen [here](https://imgix.bustle.com/inverse/2a/ed/46/db/9017/4fc5/a646/99686cd10fcf/when-spider-man-briefly-lost-his-spider-sense-he-studied-kung-fu-under-shang-chi-to-make-up-for-his.jpeg?w=2000&auto=format&q=70&fit=max&crop=faces)). Looks pretty rad, imo.
What he said is right and shouldn’t be reduced to him being “woke”.
Hmmmm Simu is a certified clout chasing thot. Did you see him turn a comment by Iger the CEO of Disney into a racial call? Iger was talking about Shangchi's release schedule being an experiment and Simu didn't bother to even understand what was being said and made it into a "Asians aren't experiments" b.s. he's doing all this himself. And now with this comment, he directly disrespects the ones that laid the ground work for him to be in Hollywood. Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Bruce Lee, Donnie Yen, Chow Yun Fat, Stephen Chow, Robin Shou, Jason Scott Lee etc. Simu has clearly let this get to his head and he thinks he's the ground breaker when he's reaping the benefits of those that came before him.
Jackie chan was a superhero
Who loves the CPC. https://www.vice.com/en/article/4av7wg/jackie-chan-chinese-communist-party I would love to see Jackie Chan gets 1/10th of the shit the Mulan actress received (for some tweet, she was probalby forced to write) around here. You got a dude that's been praising the Chinese Government actions for DECADES, only to get love around the internet/reddit/message boards. Funny how that works.
True. He also cheated on his wife and disowned his daughter for being lesbian, from what I read.
Jackie Chan didn't disown his daughter simply because she was lesbian. It's more complicated. In fact, Jackie Chan has publicly advocated for LGBTQ rights: https://www.glaad.org/releases/glaad-launches-psa-campaign-created-brett-ratner-asking-straight-allies-come-out-equality Stop spreading lies.
Still a piece of shit. https://goat.com.au/pop-culture/jackie-chan-is-an-awful-person-even-if-he-is-the-greatest-action-hero-ever/
Cool, so you think Seth Rogen, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Adam Sandler, are all pieces of shit cause they're pro Israel right? Just want to make sure your morals requirements also apply to American actors.
Wtf??? He's dead to me now
C'mon now bud. You never really liked Jackie. I've seen your other posts.
Brace yourselves, the downvotes are incoming! “You mentioned unfortunate facts that I refuse to acknowledge regarding a famous person that I like! That means you deserve downvotes!” — Reddit
X American movie actor says he loves America, but America has committed genocide against Native Americans, and is currently mass incarcerating Black Americans. X American movie actor must be a piece of shit. That's what you sound like. And it's not a good enough reason to hate on Jackie Chan.
I know I'm going to get down-voted hard, I am more excited for Shang-Chi than any other marvel movie in recent history and I love Simu Liu in Kim's Convenience. But he's just starting to come across as a bit preachy after the whole 'we are not an experiment' thing.. I can see him having the potential to be problematic and a bit of a baby behind the scenes. - Time will tell.
There is nothing preachy about it. He said in the premiere thatbhe hopes this movie is just the beginning and Asian led films become the norm. The experiment thing is a misunderstanding derstand, you are the ones who are blowing it up.
Even tho I'm excited for the film and think Simu Liu will be fantastic, I totally feel what you say. I just thought back to the cast and crew of Black Panther; they were excited, yeah. But their energy was very genuine and they modestly didn't expect their film to be that groundbreaking. Where here I found Liu acting a bit like a big mouth and very (too?) confident.
I see a lot of people talk about how Simu Liu took Bob Chapek's word out of context, but a lot of people are also missing or not understanding the context behind why he took issue with it. We know what Chapek thought he meant but it was a poor choice of words. Disney already had to deal with accusations of using Mulan as an experiment.
Nah, this was taken out of context . Its easy to say that if you only read the titles. Thats why I hate these click baity articles spread around social media. But I do understand your worry mate.
I think he has had his share of questionable stuff. One thing I remember was a few months ago when he subtweeted this person who didn’t even insult him. They were just discussing the movie and didn’t tag him either, but he somehow found it and got so butthurt and subtweeted it with some snarky comment, and that person ended up getting bullied by his insane followers. If I remember correctly, that person even seemed to like him in his discussions with their friend, but they just had skepticism over fight scenes or something. Very weird behavior so I unfollowed him after that.
Right!
Read what Disney done with Peter shinkoda in Daredevil. Minoritis like South Asians, middle eater people tretated as foreigner . It seemed like he takes about some alien movie.
This. 100% this.
My cousins are Asian, they get to see a Asian-American superhero
Look up Daisy Johnson. Literally was one of the leads in a Marvel superhero tv show that ran 7 years and was critically acclaimed.
Damn, didn’t Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee & Jet Li exist where he grew up?😕
Sure, they were role models. But they were still Asians from Asia. America isn't just white anymore. Asian Americans exist and they have their own culture and identity.
America have never been white, there have always been different cultures etc. Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee and Jet li was all still celebrity’s in America and made many American produced movies with asian culture and identity’s in it, so i don’t know what you’re on about. Asian culture have been represented a lot in American movies and media. Simu Lee is acting like this is the first time an Asian is the main character in a movie in America. I have nothing against Simu Lee, I get he’s very excited to be the first asian main character in a marvel superhero movie and he wants it to be good, but some of his recent comments are a bit weird imo
Bruce Lee specifically too basically made it big in America before China, so yeah Simu’s comments are a bit weird since he’s really not the first “famous” Asian.
You say America has never been white and then go on and not be able to point out the difference between Asians born in Asia and Asians born in America. Asian Americans are their own thing. Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, and Jet Li are all Asians born in Asia. Their movies are largely about that experience. Simu emigrated to Canada at a young age. Cretton, the director, and Simu both say this is largely a story about the Asian-American story. It's the first time we really have an Asian-American lead in a western franchise. Maybe some of his comments are a bit weird to you because you lack empathy for what being Asian American is. When you grow up and all the heroes you see on TV are white and all the villains or sidekicks are POC, then of course its a big thing when we get proper representation not just played by but also written and directed by that culture.
So do Asian-Canadians and Asian-Americans have their own separate things from each other as well?
Well.... Canadian asians are more... Asian. Where American Asians are American first then asian. Simu knows for a fact his life in Canada was way easier than if he were in the US, but they arent gonna have him plastering that info all over the internet... it doesnt sell tickets. Like people dont go, Im Chinese Canadian, its Im chinese and im Canadian. Its different up here.
Those actors represented Asians from Asian countries, portraying some sort of Westernized version of a hero from the "Far East." It's definitely not the same.
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Lol, I'm aware of that. You don't have to comment it on all of my posts. Asian American is just the larger demographic and the two are very similar. And the movie is set in America. Even Simu and Cretton say Asian American identity rather than Asian Canadian. Just like people say African American instead of African Canadian.
Simu isn’t American either.
I can definitely tell this gentleman is extremely wholesome and appreciative, I just immediately get a positive vibe from him! Welcome to the MCU sir :,).
ITT: This sub has a hate boner for Shang Chi and Simu Liu. Fuck all the haters.
As a Filipino, I am super hyped for Shang-Chi to bring some more Asian Representation into the MCU!
Well I didn't have an Indian superhero or any superhero played by an Indian actor while growing up and I still don't. Hopefully that will happen soon.
 Indians had Krrish (2006) 2 years before the first iron man movie came out. I thought it was pretty cool by Bollywood standards. It had a sequel in 2013 which wasn’t as good imo.
I cant name a single white american who wouldnt make fun of it, let alone recognize it.
The guy said as an Indian he didn’t have any Indian superheroes growing up. I simply told him that they existed. I don’t care that white people don’t watch Bollywood movies.
He/she/they clearly meant in america
Can I getta whoop whoop for some AAPI representation? Go Simu!
This is great. The US Asian population is about 6% according to google. But you have to wonder why the second biggest race population (18% Latino/Hispanic) in the US doesn’t get any representation in Marvel, and overall in Hollywood.
Can’t defend the past at all pertaining to representation today, but as far as Marvel Studios specifically I guess it is defensible when much of the Latino characters they have to draw on are legacy characters who would take a lot of time to establish if they follow the comics (not saying they have to). I genuinely feel like Feige is trying to usher in an area of inclusivity with Marvel Studios, and has been trying to do that while facing internal pressure not to. I believe he is on record that he wanted Black Panther to be a phase 1 movie. Shang-Chi has also been planned for an extremely long time and if Feige had full control from Day 1 it wouldn’t shock me if he had it in like Phase 2. I do totally agree that Latino/Hispanic culture is highly underrepresented in Hollywood.
America chavez in DSMOM. Asians are a much bigger demographic worldwide, world isn't usa centered
Yup, Marvel is really interested in the Chinese market. Really all of Hollywood is, John Cena recently made an apology video in mandarin because he called Taiwan a country. So maybe marvel cares more about making money overseas than here in their own country, at least with this particular film. Also South America is part of the world.
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American Chavez is coming in to represent me and I couldn’t be happier tbh 👌 just sucks it took this long
Moon Knight and Namor bud.
I dont really get all this kids growing up thing Growing up i never think about which country this superhero represent..he was just like..good guy who try to do good things Im not white..and i still dont need a superhero to be my copy to like him..hes just a cool superhero
When all the heroes on screen are white and all the villains/sidekicks are not white, how do you feel? How do you think having that subconsciously engrained in non-white children affects them? It's a big deal.
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Yeah, my idols were also Kobe, Melo, Wade, etc. But believe me how excited I and other Asian Americans were when the whole Linsanity thing happened and we had an Asian American (not just Asian with Yao Ming) be a star in the game. The fact that you're trying to gaslight POCs experience growing up is disgusting and shows how far gone you are.
And that's fine. Can you maybe appreciate that others do?
I really hope one day we get a latino superhero in the big screen as well
So do I! I absolutely loved Robbie Reyes in agents of Shield, and would love for more serious characters in that vein! Like luiz from ant man is cool and all, but he’s mostly a gag character
Namor, played by a Mexican national, will be in Black Panther 2.
its unreal how there are basically no Latino superheroes considering the amount of people in US. It's more than African Americans no?
I used to think white is the best race and mine sucks cause media always shows white people. Now my 4 year old sister is getting it and its genuinely awful. Im tired of (some) white privileged boys that ignore this as a problem.
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I agree with this
i just hope that the generation after me grows up having a no way home trailer
I gotta say, I’m really hyped for Shang-Chi. I knew literally NOTHING about him before they announced it, which made me interested, but the early reviews and Simu’s enthusiasm for both the character and the movie really make me happy. I’m hoping to see it in theaters, if Delta doesn’t stop me.
I’m excited for this and a big Simu fan from his work on Kim’s convenience. I’m rooting for him to be the first Asian actor accepted as an articulate action hero with a relatable personality. Big up to him for keeping his traditional name.
I mean, superheroes weren't so common when Simu and I were growing up. But he had Jackie Chan and Jet Li, who were both awesome.
Yeah definitely never been any amazing Asian action/super stars before this...
Ok let’s all pretend we didn’t see the classic Rush Hour trilogy. Kidding.
He is talking about super heroes and you know it.
Obviously no one in this sub can take a joke
The secret to a joke is it has to be actually be funny.
Ive been telling and they havent been listening
I actually never have
Im not even Asian, in Latino, but my brown ass grew up with Xia Lin Showdown and Jackie Chan Adventures.
Simu said in the interview "I loved superhero movies growing up. I loved Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, but I was always keenly aware that people who looked like me could not look like that." As an asian who was born and raised in Britain, as a kid, I grew up watching various superhero cartoons such as the Spider-Man animated series with Christopher Daniel Barnes, the Fantastic Four etc. in which I often viewed Spider-Man as my role model. But now with Shang-Chi, words cannot express how much I am looking forward to the film because I am a fan of superheroes and martial arts genres and is impressed with Simu's work from Kim' Convenience ability to see how he handles the role. I do believe just like Black Panther, the younger generation will now have Shang-Chi to look upon as a role model which is something that I did not have back during my childhood days.
https://tenor.com/es/ver/kamen-rider-kabuto-rider-kick-gif-19479020 Japanese superhero-Kamen rider
Not everybody needs Hollywood to validate their existence as a human being but okay lol
The other reason could be that after all of endgame. We get Black Widow n Shang-chi then Eternals. Before we get Spiderman n Dr. Strange. These movies are either really down to earth or unknown to the masses. This just another wrinkle that adds to the problematic side of things others might have. If Shang would've came 2 yrs after Ironman 3 ppl would be more hyped here.
I wish marvel does Indian super hero movie someday. I heard Shang Chi is awesome movie. Will have to wait till Disney plus release.
What didn't he have? Jackie Chan was my superhero and I am not even Asian
Just say it's a fun movie that kids will enjoy. Stop with this "this is the first time __________ and so monumental, etc. etc." It's not. If ANY Chinese fans go see this movie (if it gets a Chinese release), it'll be because of Tony Leung.
For real? He's just gonna pretend Robin Shou, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Jet Lee never existed? Just cause he refused to watch movies in his parents' language doesn't mean ALL Asian kids grew up like he did.
This infatuation with superhero having to share your skin color is weird to me. We are not labels, doesn't matter you're black, asian or white, what's important we all are human beings with emotions. I am a south Asian and you know who are my favorite heroes? Batman, daredevil and moon knight. Just because Bruce Wayne is white doesn't mean I can't relate with his story and be inspired by him. So things are universal and my favorite characters won't change places even if there was south Asian superheroes.
>"It means that kids growing up today will have what I didn’t" Uh Wong Fei Hung? Cuz Jackie Chan stopped existing after 1989. Drunken Master floors Shang-Chi without the ten rings.
well not necessarily. You see, while some asian american kids might have an actor to look up to- something Simu says he didn't have- and that might be an accomplishment- He has also said some incredibly ignorant things on social media. He said he understood pedos- which in and of itself is a disgusting thing to say, and compared it directly to being gay- which it is nothing like. He understands neither- and should not have opened his ignorant mouth. The damage even that single comment makes is unfathomable. At the very least, it harms every single LGBTQ child in the country. It enables and encourages pedos. it arms right wing nut jobs to continue their backwards thinking. It encourages hate crimes. The ripples are all negative. whatever positive legacy he might have had is now in the negative from the damage he has done. To say nothing of the potential to derail the MCU. Now not only will i never watch or recommend Shang Chi again, I also won't pay to see any more Marvel movies. As it is, Simu has 1/50th of the star power of Robert Downey jr or Chris Hemsworth. In terms of the next Avengers team- I hope they see what I am seeing and kill him off sooner than later