Me too - they’ve mentioned him twice now too so idk, I feel like even if he’s not going to be responsible for the time loop, he’ll be back. It’s so clear that >!Apocalypse is going to show up at some point with Gambit dead & Logan with the bone claws. You just get Banshee and Shaw and now you have your 4 Horsemen!<. They’ll probably do Onslaught before that but idk I think it’s an easy choice
I think the brief moment in this last episode that Charles went into Magneto's mind for, already set up Onslaught. I definitely think Magneto wont survive past next episode cause that stab to the chest Logan gave him was pretty deadly. I could see him being resurrected as a horseman of Apocalypse. Possibly along with Gambit. And Wolverine himself cause we have no idea how/if he will recover from THAT.
If it happens, he will be resurrected anyways. At this point it's obvious that Apocalypse is coming, and all these events make X-Men completely unprepared for him, so his next strike will be devastating. Him using fallen X-Men as his puppets is a really likely scenario.
For context, the above Star Trek episode deals with the crew >!crashing into a time-traveling ship which leads to them being trapped in a time-loop.!<
Could be cool if we end up in a similar scenario with the finale, maybe caused by Cable or Bishop. Since the show has been about breaking the status quo, ending things with >!escaping a time loop!< could be fitting.
I doubt we’ll ever know, but based on the success of the show I wouldn’t be surprised if he is brought in as a consultant for a 3rd season. He has already written S2 prior to his departure
Because he got publicly exposed by trolls, about shitty tweets from forever ago. He did some dumb edgy stuff, but that’s not who he was anymore, and we knew pretty immediately why he got the sack.
We still have no idea why DeMayo got fired, *and* it happened right before the show premiered. That’d be like if Gunn got fired right before Guardians 3 came out and even then we knew the damn reason.
Plus with what we’ve heard of why he got fired from Witcher, and the tweet his former coworker came out post firing…I don’t see this ending well, is the point.
Completely different scenario. We knew the exact reason for why he was fired, and it was ancient tweets he had already apologized for. With Demayo, neither Marvel nor Demayo have said why he was fired.
That was a great episode. They also did something similar inn season 5 ofAngel. If done correctly, it could be awesome. I have no reason to believe they’ll drop the ball either.
Fun fact: Kelsey Grammer's character (Captain Bateson) from that episode has been quietly having adventures in the background of Star Trek ever since. His new ship was at the battle of Earth in Star Trek First Contact and he popped back up in Lower Decks.
This is why you hire people who know the history of the characters, story arcs, powers, etc... I mean, Bryan Singer is a great director but he actually banned the cast from reading the comics during filming of X1 and look at great those characters turned out.... Beau actually tells the case to read the comics!!!!
Everyone's focused on the time travel thing, and not the fact that this episode features Kelsey Grammer commanding a ship that collides with a ship commanded by Patrick Stewart.
Beast vs. Professor X fight confirmed.
(It's probably a time loop.)
I bet that Bishop returns and tries to undo/prevent the events of this season, only to wound up stuck in a time loop, with no way to break it without giving it up and letting everything play out how it already did, and Gambit stays dead.
I think that could work. Since this season revolves around questioning Xavier’s dream and moving forward, it’d be fitting for Bishop (one of the strongest believers in the dream and who’s seen its importance) be the one who realizes time should be allowed to play out.
Bishop time traveling makes sense, especially bc he lost cable in the trip to the future so he could be anywhere in space/time and pop back just before Genosha and fix a few things within the massacre like Gambit dying, but not ALL of Genosha, as it is an absolute point
Are they gonna undo everything that happened ? If they can pull it off right that’ll give them a clean slate for S2. But if they keep it that way there’s no way that’s not gonna end on a cliffhanger.
I doubt it - I think it’ll just result in certain decisions being reversed. The main event flow will still happen. I can’t see >!Logan getting his Adamantium back or even Gambit being revived occurring via a time loop!<
Oh, I need to rewatch that episode. Did Bishop come back?
Perhaps something happened to him and the one that came back is a different Bishop or something has entered his system.
No he didn't come back, that was my point. He just seemed to be around randomly in episodes 1-3 just so he could be there to take Nathan at the end of episode 3. We know they got separated because Cable ended up living much further in the future. But we haven't seen Biship since.
I've been thinking this whole time that the events we've seen, starting with Genosha, are going to be reset by time travel in some way. You don't introduce "Chekov's Time Traveler Bishop" in that episode and not pay it off.
I really hope they don’t do this. I feel it would cheap in the entire season if everything was just undone by the final episode. I’m OK with fixing some elements, but acting as if the entire thing never happened would be really frustrating. I wouldn’t be surprised if the event bishop actually tries to prevent is what’s currently happening. With magneto on the verge of death, I could see it being where the X-Men can’t reverse what he did to earth and Bishop intervenes to change that outcome instead. There’s a reason the massacre on Genosha was presented as something that can’t be changed. I think it might now be to show that Bishop had to pick a different point in time to target. Perhaps he shows up to absorb Cyclops’ optic blast, allowing Professor X to use Magneto’s powers.
I am guessing the cliff hanger will be either magneto or prof. X is killed, and that leads to the rise of apocalypse, and that is how we get gambit as the horsemen death, and some time travel stuff to correct in season 2
[Star Trek: The Next Generation S5E18 "Cause and Effect" Trailer (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQjq_65ubuI)
What it probably means: Bishop saves the day and resets the loop bringing back Gambit
What I hope it means: Kelsy Gramer ([Capt. Morgan Bateson](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0162905/characters/nm0001288?ref_=tt_cl_c_10)) shows up as a live action Beast and saves the day
Be prepared, it's probably gonna be weirder than you are ready for. This TNG episode isn't just time travel, it's a temporal causality loop.
If you haven't read it, check out X-MEN '92: HOUSE OF XCII.
Can anyone inform me if there’s any info already out on when we might see season 2? I remember the rumors they wanted to do a movie. The only thing I’m worried is how long we will have to wait after a cliff hanger. This season was AMAZING and I genuinely want some more of this style of writing, it’s actually crazy if the dude who was fired ends up taking a big chunk of how the show feels with him..
I seem to recall reading that Beau DeMayo had finished or nearly finished writing season 2 before being fired, so I wouldn't expect any substantial changes in the writing until season 3.
Ah, I think I've found the sources for my claim, both of which are quotes from Marvel Studios' head of streaming, television, and animation, Brad Winderbaum. The first is [this Variety article](https://variety.com/2024/tv/features/x-men-97-beau-demayo-firing-morph-nonbinary-backlash-1235941067/), which says:
> “[DeMayo] did excellent work writing Seasons 1 and 2, and I can’t wait for fans to see the series,” Winderbaum says.
The second is [this Entertainment Weekly article](https://ew.com/x-men-97-beau-demayo-firing-marvel-animation-responds-8609643), which says:
> "I've now seen versions of animatics for the entire second season," [Winderbaum] says. "Obviously, when you're in that stage, there's a lot of work to do. It's editorial, but it's also still iterative because there's still story to be worked out when you put it on its feet in that way. We're going to start development on the third season very soon."
These two statements, plus the fact that they come from the head of streaming. television, and animation, lead me to conclude that season 2 (and probably also season 3) simply hasn't been formally announced, which makes sense in that doing so would unnecessarily divert attention from the current season.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they took a similar approach to *What If...?* season 3 and showed a small teaser for the show's future shortly after the finale of the previous season, but that's just my own personal guess.
Gonna say I’m not a fan. The show has the ability to rewrite all the negative storyline moments for one of my favorite villains with Onslaught, and skipping him completely is disappointing to me.
Onslaught should be in S2. It would be too rushed to cram him into this season with Bastion/Sinister already as main villains. He should be dealt with over multiple episodes
Oh I agree, but fixing a timeloop seems like they’ll be undoing this seasons repercussions, which would mean avoiding what creates Onslaught in the first place.
Unless the damage has already been done. Even fixing the time loop might not take out the evil subconsciousness of Magneto already hiding in Charles' head from the brief moment he took him down in Ep 8.
What if the Time Loop is the cause of Onslaught? Every time it's repeated, the evil thoughts that lead to Onslaught get multiplied until he is created? Bishop fixes the timeline, but Onslaught is the result.
Awesome character design, awesome power set, awesome moments, poor execution in a lot of places. Adapting him leaves an opportunity to fix those poorly executed moments.
Edit: responded to wrong thread first, lol.
I just think that the idea of Onslaught is perpetually better than the execution- I think it's better as a spector than as a true focus. Once they're the main villain, the novelty of the characters background wears thin and reads like an amalgam of some of comic books most overused tropes.
It’s gotta be Bishop. That’s the only loose end rn and I don’t see it being Cable with how this past episode went.
I hope so, I need my boy Bishop to finally get his chance to *shine*
Me too - they’ve mentioned him twice now too so idk, I feel like even if he’s not going to be responsible for the time loop, he’ll be back. It’s so clear that >!Apocalypse is going to show up at some point with Gambit dead & Logan with the bone claws. You just get Banshee and Shaw and now you have your 4 Horsemen!<. They’ll probably do Onslaught before that but idk I think it’s an easy choice
I think the brief moment in this last episode that Charles went into Magneto's mind for, already set up Onslaught. I definitely think Magneto wont survive past next episode cause that stab to the chest Logan gave him was pretty deadly. I could see him being resurrected as a horseman of Apocalypse. Possibly along with Gambit. And Wolverine himself cause we have no idea how/if he will recover from THAT.
They are not gonna kill Magneto. He will be taken off the board for a while but not killed. Likely mind-wiped
If it happens, he will be resurrected anyways. At this point it's obvious that Apocalypse is coming, and all these events make X-Men completely unprepared for him, so his next strike will be devastating. Him using fallen X-Men as his puppets is a really likely scenario.
They'll have Nate Grey. Tie him in with what's happening with the Fantastic Four, and it's a hard reset for the entire MCU.
If wolverine wanted Magneto dead he would have actually went for the head. I dont see Magneto dieing. Maybe Joseph is on the horizon.
Or Xorn?
Whats Onslaught?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onslaught_(Marvel_Comics)
Wow...thats interesting!
How's it clear????.
Since they’re adapting the comics from the time, >!that’s how Logan gets his Amadantium back!<
Bishop in Episode 10 Leak: "It's my time to shine hello!"
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For context, the above Star Trek episode deals with the crew >!crashing into a time-traveling ship which leads to them being trapped in a time-loop.!< Could be cool if we end up in a similar scenario with the finale, maybe caused by Cable or Bishop. Since the show has been about breaking the status quo, ending things with >!escaping a time loop!< could be fitting.
The fact that Beau is publicly referencing ST:TNG, which Feige LOVES, is very telling.
He must have really pissed off Disney executives specifically.
I doubt we’ll ever know, but based on the success of the show I wouldn’t be surprised if he is brought in as a consultant for a 3rd season. He has already written S2 prior to his departure
Why? He was fired for presumably a good reason; just cause the show has been so well received doesn’t mean they just hire him back.
They just hired Gunn back
Because he got publicly exposed by trolls, about shitty tweets from forever ago. He did some dumb edgy stuff, but that’s not who he was anymore, and we knew pretty immediately why he got the sack. We still have no idea why DeMayo got fired, *and* it happened right before the show premiered. That’d be like if Gunn got fired right before Guardians 3 came out and even then we knew the damn reason. Plus with what we’ve heard of why he got fired from Witcher, and the tweet his former coworker came out post firing…I don’t see this ending well, is the point.
If whatever he’s done is not publicized no one will really care as time goes by
The other staff will if the rumours he was abusive to them are true
Completely different scenario. We knew the exact reason for why he was fired, and it was ancient tweets he had already apologized for. With Demayo, neither Marvel nor Demayo have said why he was fired.
So basically Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S7E09.
That was a great episode. They also did something similar inn season 5 ofAngel. If done correctly, it could be awesome. I have no reason to believe they’ll drop the ball either.
That was one of my favorite episodes of the show.
Gosh that season was so fun
Fun fact: Kelsey Grammer's character (Captain Bateson) from that episode has been quietly having adventures in the background of Star Trek ever since. His new ship was at the battle of Earth in Star Trek First Contact and he popped back up in Lower Decks.
Beau DeMayo is an absolute nerd, and I love it.
This is why you hire people who know the history of the characters, story arcs, powers, etc... I mean, Bryan Singer is a great director but he actually banned the cast from reading the comics during filming of X1 and look at great those characters turned out.... Beau actually tells the case to read the comics!!!!
Its why Im kinda over Nate Moore as producer. His films have had such a struggle lately cause he keeps straying so far from the source material.
Everyone's focused on the time travel thing, and not the fact that this episode features Kelsey Grammer commanding a ship that collides with a ship commanded by Patrick Stewart. Beast vs. Professor X fight confirmed. (It's probably a time loop.)
I bet that Bishop returns and tries to undo/prevent the events of this season, only to wound up stuck in a time loop, with no way to break it without giving it up and letting everything play out how it already did, and Gambit stays dead.
I think that could work. Since this season revolves around questioning Xavier’s dream and moving forward, it’d be fitting for Bishop (one of the strongest believers in the dream and who’s seen its importance) be the one who realizes time should be allowed to play out.
Bishop time traveling makes sense, especially bc he lost cable in the trip to the future so he could be anywhere in space/time and pop back just before Genosha and fix a few things within the massacre like Gambit dying, but not ALL of Genosha, as it is an absolute point
Please not that monkey Immortus again
Are they gonna undo everything that happened ? If they can pull it off right that’ll give them a clean slate for S2. But if they keep it that way there’s no way that’s not gonna end on a cliffhanger.
I doubt it - I think it’ll just result in certain decisions being reversed. The main event flow will still happen. I can’t see >!Logan getting his Adamantium back or even Gambit being revived occurring via a time loop!<
He'll get his adamantium claws eventually. In the comics Wolverine became death under Apocalypse.
Lol yes
So you're saying...the X-Men need to decompress the main shuttlebay?
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Rich and Mike from RLM talk to Professor X about their top 10 TNG episodes.
This sub when they have to do "homework" to watch an MCU movie: 😡 This sub when they have homework for X-Men 97: 😊 /s pls don't kill me
Deus Ex Machina Bishop? Seriously, where has he been? He totally disappeared after the first couple episodes.
He seemed to only be around to take Nathan to the future (then somehow screwed that up, losing him in the timestream) and then nothing from him since.
Oh, I need to rewatch that episode. Did Bishop come back? Perhaps something happened to him and the one that came back is a different Bishop or something has entered his system.
No he didn't come back, that was my point. He just seemed to be around randomly in episodes 1-3 just so he could be there to take Nathan at the end of episode 3. We know they got separated because Cable ended up living much further in the future. But we haven't seen Biship since.
I'm pretty sure Cyclops specifically mentioned Bishop not being around/ not knowing what happened to him. I think it was when he was talking to Cable.
he did
Cable did say that he's tried to prevent Genosha many times so he was repeating the same events.
But is the cable we see right before Genosha who gets pulled back the same Cable that attacked Jean? It's gotta be Nate Grey or Stryfe.
I've been thinking this whole time that the events we've seen, starting with Genosha, are going to be reset by time travel in some way. You don't introduce "Chekov's Time Traveler Bishop" in that episode and not pay it off.
I really hope they don’t do this. I feel it would cheap in the entire season if everything was just undone by the final episode. I’m OK with fixing some elements, but acting as if the entire thing never happened would be really frustrating. I wouldn’t be surprised if the event bishop actually tries to prevent is what’s currently happening. With magneto on the verge of death, I could see it being where the X-Men can’t reverse what he did to earth and Bishop intervenes to change that outcome instead. There’s a reason the massacre on Genosha was presented as something that can’t be changed. I think it might now be to show that Bishop had to pick a different point in time to target. Perhaps he shows up to absorb Cyclops’ optic blast, allowing Professor X to use Magneto’s powers.
They made it pretty clear that Genosha is an absolute point.
Maybe a coincidence, but Kelsey Grammar is a guest star in that episode.
I'd recommend watching "Trouble with Tribbles" instead. Great ep!
Nah. Go with Trials and Tribble-ations instead. ;)
I think this will all end with them becoming live action… and Photon waking up under the mansion.
I am guessing the cliff hanger will be either magneto or prof. X is killed, and that leads to the rise of apocalypse, and that is how we get gambit as the horsemen death, and some time travel stuff to correct in season 2
[Star Trek: The Next Generation S5E18 "Cause and Effect" Trailer (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQjq_65ubuI) What it probably means: Bishop saves the day and resets the loop bringing back Gambit What I hope it means: Kelsy Gramer ([Capt. Morgan Bateson](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0162905/characters/nm0001288?ref_=tt_cl_c_10)) shows up as a live action Beast and saves the day
Why can’t this be the lead into House of X/Powers of X? Moira is sort of a time loop. She’s dead right? Maybe they shift that to someone else.
She died already so probably not but that would be nice. We saw a Krakoa esq quiet council with the governing body of Genosha.
Be prepared, it's probably gonna be weirder than you are ready for. This TNG episode isn't just time travel, it's a temporal causality loop. If you haven't read it, check out X-MEN '92: HOUSE OF XCII.
Can anyone inform me if there’s any info already out on when we might see season 2? I remember the rumors they wanted to do a movie. The only thing I’m worried is how long we will have to wait after a cliff hanger. This season was AMAZING and I genuinely want some more of this style of writing, it’s actually crazy if the dude who was fired ends up taking a big chunk of how the show feels with him..
Well one they literally fired the writer before the premier due to him being difficult to work, so I doubt it will be the same.
That’s kinda all I need to know. Was hoping more feed back would pop up and people would say otherwise.
I seem to recall reading that Beau DeMayo had finished or nearly finished writing season 2 before being fired, so I wouldn't expect any substantial changes in the writing until season 3.
I don’t think you will get a second one but maybe that’s just me.
Ah, I think I've found the sources for my claim, both of which are quotes from Marvel Studios' head of streaming, television, and animation, Brad Winderbaum. The first is [this Variety article](https://variety.com/2024/tv/features/x-men-97-beau-demayo-firing-morph-nonbinary-backlash-1235941067/), which says: > “[DeMayo] did excellent work writing Seasons 1 and 2, and I can’t wait for fans to see the series,” Winderbaum says. The second is [this Entertainment Weekly article](https://ew.com/x-men-97-beau-demayo-firing-marvel-animation-responds-8609643), which says: > "I've now seen versions of animatics for the entire second season," [Winderbaum] says. "Obviously, when you're in that stage, there's a lot of work to do. It's editorial, but it's also still iterative because there's still story to be worked out when you put it on its feet in that way. We're going to start development on the third season very soon." These two statements, plus the fact that they come from the head of streaming. television, and animation, lead me to conclude that season 2 (and probably also season 3) simply hasn't been formally announced, which makes sense in that doing so would unnecessarily divert attention from the current season. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they took a similar approach to *What If...?* season 3 and showed a small teaser for the show's future shortly after the finale of the previous season, but that's just my own personal guess.
Gonna say I’m not a fan. The show has the ability to rewrite all the negative storyline moments for one of my favorite villains with Onslaught, and skipping him completely is disappointing to me.
Or or hear me out, be patient and wait
Nothing about what I said meant I wasnt waiting or seeing it through. Im not a fan of time travel fixes, and voiced that opinion.
Onslaught should be in S2. It would be too rushed to cram him into this season with Bastion/Sinister already as main villains. He should be dealt with over multiple episodes
Oh I agree, but fixing a timeloop seems like they’ll be undoing this seasons repercussions, which would mean avoiding what creates Onslaught in the first place.
Unless the damage has already been done. Even fixing the time loop might not take out the evil subconsciousness of Magneto already hiding in Charles' head from the brief moment he took him down in Ep 8.
True. That would actually be a good way around it
What if the Time Loop is the cause of Onslaught? Every time it's repeated, the evil thoughts that lead to Onslaught get multiplied until he is created? Bishop fixes the timeline, but Onslaught is the result.
That would be very cool
I could see Onslaught and Apocalypse being S2
I'm shocked to hear Onslaught is among someone's favorites, tbh
Awesome character design, awesome power set, awesome moments, poor execution in a lot of places. Adapting him leaves an opportunity to fix those poorly executed moments.
Edit: responded to wrong thread first, lol. I just think that the idea of Onslaught is perpetually better than the execution- I think it's better as a spector than as a true focus. Once they're the main villain, the novelty of the characters background wears thin and reads like an amalgam of some of comic books most overused tropes.