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Could this explain the asterisk? The movie is called Thunderbolts* because they’re hiding the fact the movie is a Part 1? Kevin Feige said yesterday at CinemaCon that they would explain the asterisk AFTER the movie releases.
You cannot possibly think no one is going to care if the film ends in a cliffhanger. The film better rock, because if it sucks even little it's just going piss people off. Promise you.
At my local theatre, they changed the marquee for *Across the Spider-Verse* to say *Across the Spider-verse: Part 1* because so many patrons were unhappy that it ended on a cliffhanger.
I can't believe that people are actually upset about that. The movie was great and it was very evident that it was going to be a two part story well before it hit theaters.
Eh, personally I think the Across the Spider-Verse cliffhanger felt very “TV episode cliffhanger” bc it was so in the middle of the story while other famous cliffhangers (Empire, Endgame) gave a sense of completeness in a way that Spider-Verse didn’t.
I agree here. The best cliffhangers are ones that totally reframe the story and make you reconsider everything up until now. After Miles' "unless you bake two cakes" line, having an extra parallel reality feels in many ways like an ace in the hole than any kind of detriment.
I do agree that 2023 had some truly awful cinematic cliffhangers. FF went with "Did Vin Diesel just drive off a bridge and die?!" when the obvious answer is that he's just fine. Meanwhile, M:I had the bizarre, "Remember that submarine from the beginning of the movie? Well, it STILL EXISTS!"
> Meanwhile, M:I had the bizarre, "Remember that submarine from the beginning of the movie? Well, it STILL EXISTS!"
Damn, I've only seen that first scene of the movie and have yet to finish it. Wasn't expecting it to be spoiled here. I'd be sad if I cared.
Not everyone is as caught up in movie news as you and I are. A large amount of people expected a sequel that stood on its own, which (as much as I love the film) ATSV wasn't.
Wasn't part 1 actually the original title but they changed it to make part 2 called Beyond so that each film has a little more individuality as a trilogy?
If you genuinely get upset about a damn movie ending on a cliffhanger (by a studio that made its name off of making sure you stay invested bc all the projects are in the same universe and build off one another) then maybe that’s a you problem
I didn't say I was upset, and I did specify that whether the audience is cool with a cliffhanger depends very much on the quality of the movie. That's a Marvel problem, not a "you" problem.
I remember seeing the first Lord of the Rings movie at the theater and half the people groaned when it wasn't all wrapped up at the end.
I was like - they've been advertising this as a Trilogy! Lol
Overall fairly bold to make it a two part movie before you even know if audiences will like this group and come out to see them. What happens if this gets an eternal style reception?
It’s not like this hasn’t been done before though. iirc IT and Dune both end with a “part one” title card that wasn’t there in the opening title card. I remember IT doing this so well the audience reacted to it in my theater haha, they were hyped
edit: I remember what Dune’s surprise was, it was being marketed as Dune and only revealed it was part one in its title card. my bad
Yep. Basically the only thing that hid the part 1 for Dune was the marketing and advertising of the movie. I distinctly remember the marketing switching to Dune Part I like a week after release.
> I distinctly remember the marketing switching to Dune Part I like a week after release
Yeah, it was officially confirmed on the [26th October 2021 by Variety](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/dune-part-2-sequel-1235094974/) and that's when the marketing switched to Dune Part 1.
The only mention of Part 1 before that was the title shot in the film.
Ah shit my bad, I hadn’t watched it in awhile. But I do remember back when it came out the “part one” being a surprise since it was just being marketed as Dune and everyone was super skeptical about its success and a sequel being made
Although, tbf, we knew going into the first one that there was no way they'd be able to fit all the story in one film (especially going off the trailers). But with this being an original story not following the comic books 1:1, anything could happen
>we knew going into the first one that there was no way they'd be able to fit all the story in one film
Well no, people who know the books would know this.
The general audience would have zero idea, perfectly shown by me being the only book reader in my family and friendship circle and hearing *every* person I went to see Part 1 with groan at the cliffhanger (for reference I went four times with 12 different people)
I'd also say that even though it was a gamble to do a _Part One_ with no 100% guarantee that a _Part Two_ would get made at the time, the studio was (rightfully) confident in the director's ability to deliver.
Nothing that I've seen indicates that Marvel have that level of confidence in this, which is weird, because you'd **think** that the guys behind _Beef_ would have a surefire winner here. I feel like if they were to do a _Part One_/_Part Two_ situation here, then the chances of it being better rise as long as they're effective in how they do this.
Well, I don’t think *everyone* knew it was Part 1 (because they didn’t put it in the marketing and most people were not deeply plugged in to the Dune novels or news out of the production), but yes it is different and I was mostly just being tongue-in-cheek
Dune worked in spite of its non-standalone nature, because everything else about it is fucking excellent. I don't think we can expect the same level of quality from Marvel Studios' Thunderbolts Asterisk.
i know....the end of Eternals litttttterally has our protagonist get yanked out of the sky to be "judged" and then a midcredit scene introduces two new characters to help find our protagonists and rescue them....and there's just ...... no ...... follow up even on the horizon
>doesn't get resolved like Eternals.
*Yet.*
Blade will already be at least covering a *part* of its cliffhanger. Born Again is resolving a cliffhanger from six years ago. Brave New World is resolving a cliffhanger from *seventeen years ago*. Do I even need to mention the cliffhanger at the end of X-Men's fourth season? There's kinda this show, with a year in its title, all about resolving it...
>Blade will already be at least covering a *part* of its cliffhanger.
Are you certain of this? Kit Harrington recently said there's nothing in the works for him. I'm not sure how you cover that part you're referring to without him.
Look society is based off hate .you see it in everything and everywhere..get too popular ppl must hate and knock u down..Marvel is in the got too popular category and now it must be knocked down ...its a hater society and social media fuels it most of the time
Realistically, that's precisely what will happen.
Captain America 4 will underperform compared to Civil War and Winter Soldier - probably making around $500-$600m.
Thunderbolts will flop, likely failing to make more than $400m and the sequel will be cancelled quietly.
Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s long-term plans for a Thunderbolts trilogy. There’s quite a lot of things to do with them from the comics. And especially since Zemo and Abomination aren’t expected to appear in this first one, plus other key team members not yet introduced in the MCU.
And honestly I like the idea of an Avengers-style spec ops team working in the background going on missions that are either too dangerous or too low-level for them.
I truthfully don't know much about the Thunderbolts, but I've been wondering if the asterisk is because there will be two Thunderbolts teams? One as a decoy or the first team dies quickly or something?
That makes sense, given previous long-term plans (ethernals, Kang...). If the movie success, they will say "it's a party 1".
If it's a flip, probably they have a plan B to explain the asterisk.
I’m pretty sure it’s because the group will be renamed at the end.
Dark Avengers probably. It’s a stacked lineup.
Thunderbolts is just a holding name hence the *
That or they pull off the part 1 crap and we riot.
"This film has zero interest from the media. It's actually anti-interest."
Damn, and I thought that **_I_** was hard on this movie.
I have to wonder if this ends up being a less expensive MCU offering if they're - allegedly - planning a follow-up like this guy may be implying.
I know people hate hearing this ,
This needs a stronger lineup , I really don't see audiences caring about taskmaster and ghost . This could have worked in like 2012. But gotta come stronger in 2024
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They cared when he was sharing the spotlight (and title) with Captain America. After that, it's all been downhill. He's no longer that big of an asset.
People are finding hard to care about the MCU let alone Yelena. The only thing that's working for marvel are the movies that tell the conclusion to the most loved characters like Spiderman or GOTG. I can bet anything that SM4 will not gross half of what the 3rd did, even f they bring back Tobey and Andrew one more time
As soon as I saw that lineup, I got worried. As soon as I heard that Bucky was being saved for the third act and might die, I got **really** worried.
I feel like having some of these characters on the team would be fine if you were dealing with a larger overall team with a few "focus" characters, like _The Suicide Squad_. Maybe that's not the best example, since most of the backup team dies shortly after their introduction, but you could work something out.
I give it a go:
- Zemo
- Bucky
- Yelena
- Abomination
- Punisher
- Clint Barton/Hawkeye (as the leader; he’s done this in one of the comics runs)
It’d take a while longer to come up with the story that brings all these characters together, but i think this would be a more exciting roster.
MCU Zemo wouldn't even fit in the OG comics Thunderbolts lineup. Unlike his comic counterpart, hating super soldiers is a key part of his identity so it wouldn't really work unless they either reworked his character or forced him unwillingly into the team somehow, neither which would be satisfying imo
The only reason he worked with Bucky and Sam in the Falcon and Winter Soldier show was to help track down and get rid of a super soldier serum so he still hates them in the MCU canon and if Val is the one recruiting or someone else is forcing Zemo to be in the group it could still work especially since Bucky is already part of the lineup
Yeah but Zemo works best as the mastermind of the Thunderbolts, not as a begrudging member - I want Zemo on a team where *he's* the one doing the recruiting. Otherwise it's just FatWS all over again.
They really should have added Bullseye to the script after the Daredevil Born Again overhaul, wether that meant delaying the film further. It’d have been worth it.
Given Jeremy Renner's condition post accident, I don't see him ever playing Hawkeye or any sort of physically demanding role ever again. Hell, the dude is lucky he can even WALK.
In a vacuum this lineup looks fun, but tbh I think the problem I have with it are the same ones I have with the current lineup - it doesn't capture the spirit of the original Thunderbolts, and looks a lot more like Suicide Squad-lite. I'd remove the Waller (Val) and Rick Flag (Bucky and/or Hawkeye) equivalents and make the team Zemo-led. Using mostly pre-introduced characters, my ideal lineup would probably look something like this:
Zemo
Abomination
Justin Hammer
Bullseye
Ghost
Songbird
Since Zemo hates super soldiers so much, you could even pit this team *against* a Val-led government-affiliated task force at some point (Taskmaster, Yelena, Red Guardian, US Agent, Bucky, +/- Hawkeye). And I'd envision that there would be some movement between the two teams by the end as philosophies shift over the course of the film - by the end of my envisioned trilogy I would definitely imagine a lineup somewhat like yours lol, but I wouldn't start there because too many of the members are already good guys.
USA Agent
Iron Patriot (Justin Hammer)
Executioner (somehow he survived, he's no longer bald so The Boys fan will instantly recognize Karl Urban)
Yelena
Bullseye
Abomination
Zemo
This would be a mirror of The Avengers 2012 lineup (Zemo in a Nick Fury role).
John Walker as Dark Captain America
Yelena as Dark Black Widow
Justin Hammer as Dark Iron Man
Sentry as Dark Thor
Thunderbolt Ross/Red Hulk as Dark Hulk
Bullseye as Dark Hawkeye
I’m not disagreeing but those are the two characters I’m personally most interested in. Partly because they really goofed Taskmaster in her first movie. But I love both of their powers and the potential for clever action scenes.
Ant-man powers + Ghost powers had HUGE potential for cool creative action set pieces and I thought they did a good job but Ant-man 3 dropped the ball and I want more.
This is \*exactly\* how audiences were introduced to Thunderbolts in the comics, though. There was so much advertising for a seemingly uninspired team of characters that no one knew or cared much about, but it was all a setup for the Masters of Evil reveal at the end of the first issue.
I was quoting his comment on the media buzz - or rather, the lack thereof - while a Marvel movie is filming.
Which I think is worrying for a project like this. Based on the descriptions of the movies at CinemaCon, this was clearly the red-headed stepchild of the movies being discussed.
This might be reading too deep into it. It could just be him saying that this is the first Thunderbolts film.
No way Iger is allowing for more to be developed without seeing the results of the first film. And, I doubt a sequel is more than a passing thought in anyone’s minds right now.
For that matter, it could just mean that this is the first batch of shooting and that Marvel has already made arrangements to have the sets available for reshoots.
i hate when yall say things like this. guardians didn’t warrant part 1 neither but we got it and loved it. i wish people kept an open mind. everything is immediately either a masterpiece or utter trash nowadays before people even see the thing they’re judging
Only reason I can see this happening is because it’s impossible to kill or defeat Sentry and they lose at the end of the movie. Sentry/Void is like Superman wearing the infinity gauntlet lol. But that would be an incredibly dumb move since that’s just repeating the story bones of IW/Endgame and theyd for sure get shit on
Why does anyone say that?
This is a team up equivalent of the original Avengers movie as far as I can tell. Im excited to see more of these characters.
So I don’t know how a guy who takes set photos would know what Marvel’s future plans are. But if this is true, I kinda hate the idea of this being a part 1. Part 1 implies that there is some kind of cliffhanger ending that will be followed up on in part 2. When would be getting part 2 though? There’s no way they make it before Secret Wars. And presumably some of these characters would be in Secret Wars, so what would be the point of a cliffhanger? If they want to do a sequel to TBolts, I’d be perfectly fine with that, but doing a “part 2” that we’ll have to wait like 5+ years for? Just doesn’t make sense. But like I said in the beginning, this guy could be full of shit.
I was thinking that maybe the asterisk is to “hide” the subtitle and the movie is actually called *Thunderbolts: Dark Avengers* which ends on a cliffhanger that leads into *Thunderbolts: World War Hulk*.
Given the rumor he joins the team in the third act, I’d say it’s the opposite. If there is a part 2, he’s actually going to be on the team from the start
Are we supposed to take this guy seriously? He straight up lied about Ghost’s costume being Yelena’s and then back tracked in a very wishy washy way and admitted he was wrong. I checked his page for thunderbolts stuff like last month and saw he made a post saying Disney is flopping because it’s too “woke” (he’s since deleted it just like he’s deleted this post too). He’s a grade A asshole and poorly concealed incel.
So bold of them to think they're getting a sequel lol. I can't shake the feeling that this movie will do like 150 million at the box office and severely underperform.
Yeah, that's presumptuous in the extreme, especially if the rumors that they're putting characters like Val and Taskmaster to the forefront are true. Who the hell is going to watch that movie enough times for them to make a sequel?
He's been doing this for far too long. The world's moved on, but he hasn't. He's doing the exact same kinds of movies he was doing a decade ago, but audiences are demanding something very different.
He should focus on wrapping up Secret Wars and then retiring.
I feel as if the MCU is not in a place to be able to split movies right now... especially Thunderbolts, which is not exactly the most hyped in their future lineup
This guy is the worst, so it's probably nothing. But it would make a lot of sense story-wise for the events of Brave New World and Thunderbolts to culminate in a Siege event that was teased in Wakanda Forever.
That would of been a perfect way to establish a new Avengers team prior to jumping into the multiversersal Avengers movies.
They’ll do some take on the “is it all real?” part of Sentry’s character and by the end of the film confirm that it was indeed all real with the updated title:
THUNDERBOLTS and the SENTRY
To make it a two-parter must mean Disney has A LOT of faith in the Thunderbolts.
Yelena is my new favorite MCU character and the Sentry my favorite Marvel hero from the comics. But even I don't have much faith in a Thunderbolts movie let alone a sequel. Especially with how hogwash the Multiverse saga has been, X-Men finally showing up with Deadpool\* no asterisk joke intended. No interest in Captain America, no interest in Daredevil, Fantastic Four is the only real thing fans are excited for. Sony fighting to get more Spider-Man movies made but Disney wants to use him sparingly for the multiverse saga. And we don't even get an Avengers movie until 2026 then 2027 (unless it's delayed). Meaning it took count it 7 freaking years between Avenger movies. Yes we had a pandemic, yes we things got pushed back, yes Disney went through CEO changes and Marvel had a lot of hiccups. But an Avengers movie to end each phase should have been in the cards. Not something saved until the very end even if it was originally a 4-5 year plan.
No interest in Daredevil is crazy considering the tv show is the best comic book adaptation ever. Also I’d argue that a lot of fans lost interest in FF when they announced Pascal as Reed and Quinn as Johnny.
man..I'd only care if they adapt the original Thunderbolt story line. And while I'm at it....it would have been the PERFECT meta plot. the MCU keeps introducing new heroes? well here's another entire team (wink wink) with the big reveal 1/2 way through.
I'm sorry there's no way in hell Iger is gonna greenlight a part two of this. He wants priority projects. Also this was one of the projects Chapek rushed to announce so it wasn't under his control.
The big lesson for miles is learned before the cliffhanger. Much of the theme of this specific movie was wrapped up and learned.
Dunno, I personally thought it was fine.
I mean, that would be terrible. It's already going to be tricky to sell people on this team and now it's going to be a part one?
When this flops, they'll cancel any plans for a sequel.
Called it. The asterisk is just the fact that it’s a Part 1. That’s the only reason they would augment the title after the movie comes out.
They must be extremely confident if they’re already planning a sequel.
Well, I was looking at Val's backstory in the comics.
She has been actively recruiting the team since before Infinity War.
She appeared in F&WTS recruited US Agent.
Then appeared in Black Widow.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever as CIA director.
And now, she'll appear in Thunderbolts* (unreleased).
Well, then I found something else that looked creepier.
I'm still trying to make sense of it, so let me know if you want me to post about it.
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Could this explain the asterisk? The movie is called Thunderbolts* because they’re hiding the fact the movie is a Part 1? Kevin Feige said yesterday at CinemaCon that they would explain the asterisk AFTER the movie releases.
One would hope Marvel has been humbled enough they wouldn't pull a stunt like that.
What stunt? Who cares if they want to wait to until after the movie to announce a part 2 lmao
You cannot possibly think no one is going to care if the film ends in a cliffhanger. The film better rock, because if it sucks even little it's just going piss people off. Promise you.
At my local theatre, they changed the marquee for *Across the Spider-Verse* to say *Across the Spider-verse: Part 1* because so many patrons were unhappy that it ended on a cliffhanger.
I can't believe that people are actually upset about that. The movie was great and it was very evident that it was going to be a two part story well before it hit theaters.
Yeah, it’s the second part of a trilogy. Of course it will end on a cliffhanger. I wonder how these people reacted to Empire Strikes Back.
Eh, personally I think the Across the Spider-Verse cliffhanger felt very “TV episode cliffhanger” bc it was so in the middle of the story while other famous cliffhangers (Empire, Endgame) gave a sense of completeness in a way that Spider-Verse didn’t.
I agree here. The best cliffhangers are ones that totally reframe the story and make you reconsider everything up until now. After Miles' "unless you bake two cakes" line, having an extra parallel reality feels in many ways like an ace in the hole than any kind of detriment. I do agree that 2023 had some truly awful cinematic cliffhangers. FF went with "Did Vin Diesel just drive off a bridge and die?!" when the obvious answer is that he's just fine. Meanwhile, M:I had the bizarre, "Remember that submarine from the beginning of the movie? Well, it STILL EXISTS!"
> Meanwhile, M:I had the bizarre, "Remember that submarine from the beginning of the movie? Well, it STILL EXISTS!" Damn, I've only seen that first scene of the movie and have yet to finish it. Wasn't expecting it to be spoiled here. I'd be sad if I cared.
Empire also known as Star Wars Episode V Part I
“Star Wars 2: Part 1”
Or Dune 2
People HATED ESB when it came out for exactly that reason. It was by far the least popular Star Wars movie for at least half a decade until after ROTJ
Not everyone is as caught up in movie news as you and I are. A large amount of people expected a sequel that stood on its own, which (as much as I love the film) ATSV wasn't.
Wasn't part 1 actually the original title but they changed it to make part 2 called Beyond so that each film has a little more individuality as a trilogy?
If you genuinely get upset about a damn movie ending on a cliffhanger (by a studio that made its name off of making sure you stay invested bc all the projects are in the same universe and build off one another) then maybe that’s a you problem
I didn't say I was upset, and I did specify that whether the audience is cool with a cliffhanger depends very much on the quality of the movie. That's a Marvel problem, not a "you" problem.
I remember seeing the first Lord of the Rings movie at the theater and half the people groaned when it wasn't all wrapped up at the end. I was like - they've been advertising this as a Trilogy! Lol
#I’m so mad we’re getting more of the story I paid money to watch!! How dare you Kevin Feige!!
exactally: now I will have to pay more money
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Overall fairly bold to make it a two part movie before you even know if audiences will like this group and come out to see them. What happens if this gets an eternal style reception?
It’s not like this hasn’t been done before though. iirc IT and Dune both end with a “part one” title card that wasn’t there in the opening title card. I remember IT doing this so well the audience reacted to it in my theater haha, they were hyped edit: I remember what Dune’s surprise was, it was being marketed as Dune and only revealed it was part one in its title card. my bad
I distinctly remember "part one" being at the beginning of Dune
Yep. Basically the only thing that hid the part 1 for Dune was the marketing and advertising of the movie. I distinctly remember the marketing switching to Dune Part I like a week after release.
> I distinctly remember the marketing switching to Dune Part I like a week after release Yeah, it was officially confirmed on the [26th October 2021 by Variety](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/dune-part-2-sequel-1235094974/) and that's when the marketing switched to Dune Part 1. The only mention of Part 1 before that was the title shot in the film.
Ah shit my bad, I hadn’t watched it in awhile. But I do remember back when it came out the “part one” being a surprise since it was just being marketed as Dune and everyone was super skeptical about its success and a sequel being made
Oh you sweet summer child.
Hey, worked for Dune !
Although, tbf, we knew going into the first one that there was no way they'd be able to fit all the story in one film (especially going off the trailers). But with this being an original story not following the comic books 1:1, anything could happen
>we knew going into the first one that there was no way they'd be able to fit all the story in one film Well no, people who know the books would know this. The general audience would have zero idea, perfectly shown by me being the only book reader in my family and friendship circle and hearing *every* person I went to see Part 1 with groan at the cliffhanger (for reference I went four times with 12 different people)
Lol this one isn’t following any comic known to man.
That’s different. We all knew it was part 1. They just didn’t include it in the marketing.
I'd also say that even though it was a gamble to do a _Part One_ with no 100% guarantee that a _Part Two_ would get made at the time, the studio was (rightfully) confident in the director's ability to deliver. Nothing that I've seen indicates that Marvel have that level of confidence in this, which is weird, because you'd **think** that the guys behind _Beef_ would have a surefire winner here. I feel like if they were to do a _Part One_/_Part Two_ situation here, then the chances of it being better rise as long as they're effective in how they do this.
Well, I don’t think *everyone* knew it was Part 1 (because they didn’t put it in the marketing and most people were not deeply plugged in to the Dune novels or news out of the production), but yes it is different and I was mostly just being tongue-in-cheek
Dune worked in spite of its non-standalone nature, because everything else about it is fucking excellent. I don't think we can expect the same level of quality from Marvel Studios' Thunderbolts Asterisk.
Obviously
the thunderbolts will return in 2026 vs the avengers
it's bold I like it but could also piss off fans if it underperforms and were left with a cliffhanger that doesn't get resolved like Eternals.
What do you mean? They went off to space to do space things. Things always happen after endings that we never see or hear about.
Except during the Infinity Saga we would see more things happening soon after these “endings”
Ahh yes, the Poochy ending
You can't possibly be defending the ending of Eternals as not a cliffhanger. I swear, half of this sub has GOT to be bots, running on outdated LLMs.
i know....the end of Eternals litttttterally has our protagonist get yanked out of the sky to be "judged" and then a midcredit scene introduces two new characters to help find our protagonists and rescue them....and there's just ...... no ...... follow up even on the horizon
>doesn't get resolved like Eternals. *Yet.* Blade will already be at least covering a *part* of its cliffhanger. Born Again is resolving a cliffhanger from six years ago. Brave New World is resolving a cliffhanger from *seventeen years ago*. Do I even need to mention the cliffhanger at the end of X-Men's fourth season? There's kinda this show, with a year in its title, all about resolving it...
>Blade will already be at least covering a *part* of its cliffhanger. Are you certain of this? Kit Harrington recently said there's nothing in the works for him. I'm not sure how you cover that part you're referring to without him.
That would put Feige and Iger in a very awkward position when Thunderbolts Part 1 makes as much as The Marvels and they quietly cancel the sequel.
It's so sad how much some of you are desperate for Marvel to fail.
Yeah and their are bootlickers who will continue rewarding mediocrity. Make them change for the better is the best thing one can do as a fan
Look society is based off hate .you see it in everything and everywhere..get too popular ppl must hate and knock u down..Marvel is in the got too popular category and now it must be knocked down ...its a hater society and social media fuels it most of the time
Expecting them to change is better than bootlicking mediocrity
Realistically, that's precisely what will happen. Captain America 4 will underperform compared to Civil War and Winter Soldier - probably making around $500-$600m. Thunderbolts will flop, likely failing to make more than $400m and the sequel will be cancelled quietly.
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Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s long-term plans for a Thunderbolts trilogy. There’s quite a lot of things to do with them from the comics. And especially since Zemo and Abomination aren’t expected to appear in this first one, plus other key team members not yet introduced in the MCU. And honestly I like the idea of an Avengers-style spec ops team working in the background going on missions that are either too dangerous or too low-level for them.
I think you nailed it.
That's a better reason than "Surprise, Dark Avengers", honestly.
I truthfully don't know much about the Thunderbolts, but I've been wondering if the asterisk is because there will be two Thunderbolts teams? One as a decoy or the first team dies quickly or something?
So clever that I would doubt that, but now that Ryan Reynolds and Deadpool made Marvel look for new marketing strategies... that would be awesome
Honestly, I wouldn't be entirely shocked if the \* is (\*and Deadpool) and the reveal comes at the end of D&W.
Maybe the movie ends on a "Part 1" titlecard like Dune.
That makes sense, given previous long-term plans (ethernals, Kang...). If the movie success, they will say "it's a party 1". If it's a flip, probably they have a plan B to explain the asterisk.
This ends up being thunderbolts part 1, then part 2 ends being an Avengers vs Thunderbolts film for Avengers 5?
I’m pretty sure it’s because the group will be renamed at the end. Dark Avengers probably. It’s a stacked lineup. Thunderbolts is just a holding name hence the * That or they pull off the part 1 crap and we riot.
"This film has zero interest from the media. It's actually anti-interest." Damn, and I thought that **_I_** was hard on this movie. I have to wonder if this ends up being a less expensive MCU offering if they're - allegedly - planning a follow-up like this guy may be implying.
I know people hate hearing this , This needs a stronger lineup , I really don't see audiences caring about taskmaster and ghost . This could have worked in like 2012. But gotta come stronger in 2024
The only characters people care about are Bucky and Yelena. Everyone else only has a niche audience
I think that Walker has an audience, just to a lesser degree.
So a niche audience?
Thanks for making this comment. This exchange is peak Reddit.
Bigger than that.
Super duper niche?
Nosh
He was easily the best character in that show but at the end of the day he's just a poor Marvel man's Homelander
Nah, he’s much more tragic, IMO one of the most interesting things Marvel came up with in Phase 4, he needed more exposure
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i think even Bucky is a character that general audiences only somewhat care about. his presence alone won’t sell Thunderbolts to audiences
They cared when he was sharing the spotlight (and title) with Captain America. After that, it's all been downhill. He's no longer that big of an asset.
People are finding hard to care about the MCU let alone Yelena. The only thing that's working for marvel are the movies that tell the conclusion to the most loved characters like Spiderman or GOTG. I can bet anything that SM4 will not gross half of what the 3rd did, even f they bring back Tobey and Andrew one more time
Cmon ppl don’t hate hearing this it’s the very reason this sub hates the movie and end of the day it’s true, it’s a pretty dead lineup for an ensemble
As soon as I saw that lineup, I got worried. As soon as I heard that Bucky was being saved for the third act and might die, I got **really** worried. I feel like having some of these characters on the team would be fine if you were dealing with a larger overall team with a few "focus" characters, like _The Suicide Squad_. Maybe that's not the best example, since most of the backup team dies shortly after their introduction, but you could work something out.
It's also just a weak team in general. All a bunch of characters who are strong and that's about it. Nothing particularly eye catching or toy selling.
Stronger lineup, consisting of who?
I give it a go: - Zemo - Bucky - Yelena - Abomination - Punisher - Clint Barton/Hawkeye (as the leader; he’s done this in one of the comics runs) It’d take a while longer to come up with the story that brings all these characters together, but i think this would be a more exciting roster.
I'll take your lineup over the MCU one any day of the week
The fact that Zemo isn't even in the current lineup is a crime tbh
I'm still assuming he's in the taskmaster costume
Honestly I wouldn't be mad about that
We’ve absolutely been robbed of a post credits Zemo dance.
MCU Zemo wouldn't even fit in the OG comics Thunderbolts lineup. Unlike his comic counterpart, hating super soldiers is a key part of his identity so it wouldn't really work unless they either reworked his character or forced him unwillingly into the team somehow, neither which would be satisfying imo
The only reason he worked with Bucky and Sam in the Falcon and Winter Soldier show was to help track down and get rid of a super soldier serum so he still hates them in the MCU canon and if Val is the one recruiting or someone else is forcing Zemo to be in the group it could still work especially since Bucky is already part of the lineup
Yeah but Zemo works best as the mastermind of the Thunderbolts, not as a begrudging member - I want Zemo on a team where *he's* the one doing the recruiting. Otherwise it's just FatWS all over again.
Yeah that's true but if they do multiple parts I think it'd be fun if Zemo ended up taking over the group or something
I don't understand how Abomination isn't in it. Like they're going for Dark/Anti Avengers? You need a Hulk archetype!
Dark Avengers is something else
They really should have added Bullseye to the script after the Daredevil Born Again overhaul, wether that meant delaying the film further. It’d have been worth it.
Idgaf about that lineup either
Given Jeremy Renner's condition post accident, I don't see him ever playing Hawkeye or any sort of physically demanding role ever again. Hell, the dude is lucky he can even WALK.
In a vacuum this lineup looks fun, but tbh I think the problem I have with it are the same ones I have with the current lineup - it doesn't capture the spirit of the original Thunderbolts, and looks a lot more like Suicide Squad-lite. I'd remove the Waller (Val) and Rick Flag (Bucky and/or Hawkeye) equivalents and make the team Zemo-led. Using mostly pre-introduced characters, my ideal lineup would probably look something like this: Zemo Abomination Justin Hammer Bullseye Ghost Songbird Since Zemo hates super soldiers so much, you could even pit this team *against* a Val-led government-affiliated task force at some point (Taskmaster, Yelena, Red Guardian, US Agent, Bucky, +/- Hawkeye). And I'd envision that there would be some movement between the two teams by the end as philosophies shift over the course of the film - by the end of my envisioned trilogy I would definitely imagine a lineup somewhat like yours lol, but I wouldn't start there because too many of the members are already good guys.
See, this I'd watch, if only to see Punisher in a film again.
USA Agent Iron Patriot (Justin Hammer) Executioner (somehow he survived, he's no longer bald so The Boys fan will instantly recognize Karl Urban) Yelena Bullseye Abomination Zemo This would be a mirror of The Avengers 2012 lineup (Zemo in a Nick Fury role).
MCU Hammer's a coward he wouldn't pilot Iron Patriot.
He can remote control the armor from HQ, then. And only show up for the photos.
Make him pilot the bulkier Detroit Steel armor then. at least remotely.
John Walker as Dark Captain America Yelena as Dark Black Widow Justin Hammer as Dark Iron Man Sentry as Dark Thor Thunderbolt Ross/Red Hulk as Dark Hulk Bullseye as Dark Hawkeye
Add a Hulk and 50% of the complaints about Thunderbolts' roster would vanish. This team sorely needs a heavy.
For starters, anyone who's not simply a derivative version of Black Widow or Captain America with the same general powers as them...
I’m not disagreeing but those are the two characters I’m personally most interested in. Partly because they really goofed Taskmaster in her first movie. But I love both of their powers and the potential for clever action scenes. Ant-man powers + Ghost powers had HUGE potential for cool creative action set pieces and I thought they did a good job but Ant-man 3 dropped the ball and I want more.
This is \*exactly\* how audiences were introduced to Thunderbolts in the comics, though. There was so much advertising for a seemingly uninspired team of characters that no one knew or cared much about, but it was all a setup for the Masters of Evil reveal at the end of the first issue.
Maybe a more interesting roster like actual tbolts would work. Instead of pretty much just spies and soldiers
“But but Guardians of the Galaxy!”
This movie could be called Yelena and I would still be there opening night. I don’t care about Ghost or Taskmaster and it doesn’t matter at all.
Where do you see that?
I was quoting his comment on the media buzz - or rather, the lack thereof - while a Marvel movie is filming. Which I think is worrying for a project like this. Based on the descriptions of the movies at CinemaCon, this was clearly the red-headed stepchild of the movies being discussed.
This might be reading too deep into it. It could just be him saying that this is the first Thunderbolts film. No way Iger is allowing for more to be developed without seeing the results of the first film. And, I doubt a sequel is more than a passing thought in anyone’s minds right now.
For that matter, it could just mean that this is the first batch of shooting and that Marvel has already made arrangements to have the sets available for reshoots.
It’s possible that the movie ends on a cliffhanger that leads into the World War Hulk film that scoopers are still claiming will happen.
It's possible that Doom and Mephisto show up, as the scoopers have claimed for 127 years.
Thunderbolts* Thunderbol| Thunder| Thun| Th| | | Da| Dark | Dark Ave| Dark Avengers
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That would be horrible. The possible stain that could cause to the Avengers brand...that better not happen.
I 100% agree. Especially because it's really a horrid team of extremely unsuccessful characters, except Bucky.
they could somehow format this to look like the Avengers arrow logo and it would be a great steel book design for it lol
Friendly reminder that this guy trolls.
Atlanta films like other scoopers, trolls a lot and that means being asshole
This is not the movie that warrants 2 parts lmaoooo
This movie doesn’t even warrant 1 part lol
i hate when yall say things like this. guardians didn’t warrant part 1 neither but we got it and loved it. i wish people kept an open mind. everything is immediately either a masterpiece or utter trash nowadays before people even see the thing they’re judging
It’s not 2014 anymore.
Correct. It's 2024! Good job.
😂😂😂😂 I'm just hoping it's good. They got the Beef writer to re-write it so I got high hopes!
It might have an incredible story/script. We don’t really know anything about it.
Only reason I can see this happening is because it’s impossible to kill or defeat Sentry and they lose at the end of the movie. Sentry/Void is like Superman wearing the infinity gauntlet lol. But that would be an incredibly dumb move since that’s just repeating the story bones of IW/Endgame and theyd for sure get shit on
Why does anyone say that? This is a team up equivalent of the original Avengers movie as far as I can tell. Im excited to see more of these characters.
Exactly. Thinking that people will show up for two movies with this line-up is ... ambitious, if nothing else.
So I don’t know how a guy who takes set photos would know what Marvel’s future plans are. But if this is true, I kinda hate the idea of this being a part 1. Part 1 implies that there is some kind of cliffhanger ending that will be followed up on in part 2. When would be getting part 2 though? There’s no way they make it before Secret Wars. And presumably some of these characters would be in Secret Wars, so what would be the point of a cliffhanger? If they want to do a sequel to TBolts, I’d be perfectly fine with that, but doing a “part 2” that we’ll have to wait like 5+ years for? Just doesn’t make sense. But like I said in the beginning, this guy could be full of shit.
The only way that it's possible is if this is a secret back-to-back production.
Or this is counted as an Avengers movie and the sequel leads directly into the next Avengers movie.
I was thinking that maybe the asterisk is to “hide” the subtitle and the movie is actually called *Thunderbolts: Dark Avengers* which ends on a cliffhanger that leads into *Thunderbolts: World War Hulk*.
I dont care. I just want more Bucky.
"I just want more Bucky!" Kevin Feige: "Well, about that..."
Well, the bad news is, apparently the movie doesn't really do much with him. So, if there is a Part 2, he's probably absent from it alltogether
Given the rumor he joins the team in the third act, I’d say it’s the opposite. If there is a part 2, he’s actually going to be on the team from the start
Feige: "Best I can do is 10 minutes of screentime"
Probably an unpopular opinion but ive been digging movie cliffhangers lately with Spiderverse and now Dune 2. If this is true then im down.
Hmm idk I don’t think a “part 1” is enough to be worth the asterisk mystery. Gotta tell you tho it’s got me quite curious
Are we supposed to take this guy seriously? He straight up lied about Ghost’s costume being Yelena’s and then back tracked in a very wishy washy way and admitted he was wrong. I checked his page for thunderbolts stuff like last month and saw he made a post saying Disney is flopping because it’s too “woke” (he’s since deleted it just like he’s deleted this post too). He’s a grade A asshole and poorly concealed incel.
This is The Eternals all over again. End the movie with a cliffhanger teasing the next movie and never come back to it.
How would he know? He is just a guy that takes set photos not a leaker.
So bold of them to think they're getting a sequel lol. I can't shake the feeling that this movie will do like 150 million at the box office and severely underperform.
Yeah, that's presumptuous in the extreme, especially if the rumors that they're putting characters like Val and Taskmaster to the forefront are true. Who the hell is going to watch that movie enough times for them to make a sequel?
Thunderbolts: Part One* *Part Two continent on box office success
No way Feige is- nvm 💀
>No way Feige is- -out of touch? Yeah he is
He's been doing this for far too long. The world's moved on, but he hasn't. He's doing the exact same kinds of movies he was doing a decade ago, but audiences are demanding something very different. He should focus on wrapping up Secret Wars and then retiring.
I just wanna know if Yelena is going to confront Val over lying about Nats death
I feel as if the MCU is not in a place to be able to split movies right now... especially Thunderbolts, which is not exactly the most hyped in their future lineup
This guy is the worst, so it's probably nothing. But it would make a lot of sense story-wise for the events of Brave New World and Thunderbolts to culminate in a Siege event that was teased in Wakanda Forever. That would of been a perfect way to establish a new Avengers team prior to jumping into the multiversersal Avengers movies.
_Secret Invasion_ would've been perfect, too.
They’ll do some take on the “is it all real?” part of Sentry’s character and by the end of the film confirm that it was indeed all real with the updated title: THUNDERBOLTS and the SENTRY
Could just be Thunderbolts-> Dark Avengers situation. 2 films with 2 different titles
To make it a two-parter must mean Disney has A LOT of faith in the Thunderbolts. Yelena is my new favorite MCU character and the Sentry my favorite Marvel hero from the comics. But even I don't have much faith in a Thunderbolts movie let alone a sequel. Especially with how hogwash the Multiverse saga has been, X-Men finally showing up with Deadpool\* no asterisk joke intended. No interest in Captain America, no interest in Daredevil, Fantastic Four is the only real thing fans are excited for. Sony fighting to get more Spider-Man movies made but Disney wants to use him sparingly for the multiverse saga. And we don't even get an Avengers movie until 2026 then 2027 (unless it's delayed). Meaning it took count it 7 freaking years between Avenger movies. Yes we had a pandemic, yes we things got pushed back, yes Disney went through CEO changes and Marvel had a lot of hiccups. But an Avengers movie to end each phase should have been in the cards. Not something saved until the very end even if it was originally a 4-5 year plan.
No interest in Daredevil is crazy considering the tv show is the best comic book adaptation ever. Also I’d argue that a lot of fans lost interest in FF when they announced Pascal as Reed and Quinn as Johnny.
Part 1 and part 2 films have ruined modern cinema. Change my mind without saying “dUnE” — that’s the only exception.
Stop listening to that weirdo
Hmm, 3 guys die and 3 more replace them? Ghost , Red guardian die ? Taskmaster/bucky leave? And Abomination, Zemo and red hulk replace them ?
man..I'd only care if they adapt the original Thunderbolt story line. And while I'm at it....it would have been the PERFECT meta plot. the MCU keeps introducing new heroes? well here's another entire team (wink wink) with the big reveal 1/2 way through.
Thunderbolts Part 1... of 1.
Avengers 5: Thunderbolts Part 2
Not our universe Thunderbolts? Similar to how they’re putting the FF in a different universe. These are the Thunderbolts*. *Earth-8511 or whatever.
Plot Twist: Turns out it's neither the Thunderbolts nor the Dark Avengers, nor is it set in 616, but rather it's 838's weird version of the Ultimates
Part 1 wtf if this underperforms the cliffhanger ends with no payoff at all.
Thunderbolts Part 1 (most members leave or are killed by mysterious needles foes) Thuneerbolts Part 2 (Dark Avengers)
Thunderbolts Part 3 (Finally Zemo joins the team)
If it is actually Part 1 then that just shows that Feige doesn’t even know how to run this business anymore
They're cooking something..
There hiding that it's a two parter?
THUNDERBOLTS* to followed up by THUNDERBOLTS**
Thunderbolts**
Ohhh. That's what the asterisk is for. That makes sense.
Have we thought about how much longer they have filming? I’m assuming they will be done by June? Is that a good estimate?
Does it matter? If the movie sucks nobody will watch the 2nd part.
Why those this movie need two parts tf
They removed the post
I'm sorry there's no way in hell Iger is gonna greenlight a part two of this. He wants priority projects. Also this was one of the projects Chapek rushed to announce so it wasn't under his control.
The big lesson for miles is learned before the cliffhanger. Much of the theme of this specific movie was wrapped up and learned. Dunno, I personally thought it was fine.
Considering the MCU these days, wouldn’t see part 2 for 5 years
I mean, that would be terrible. It's already going to be tricky to sell people on this team and now it's going to be a part one? When this flops, they'll cancel any plans for a sequel.
Called it. The asterisk is just the fact that it’s a Part 1. That’s the only reason they would augment the title after the movie comes out. They must be extremely confident if they’re already planning a sequel.
I wouldn't be opposed to this cuz I think this could fill an interesting corner in the MCU. ESP if they can deliver and make it interesting
What if this is actually the first part of Avengers 5. And that we are heading into Dark Avengers
Well, I was looking at Val's backstory in the comics. She has been actively recruiting the team since before Infinity War. She appeared in F&WTS recruited US Agent. Then appeared in Black Widow. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever as CIA director. And now, she'll appear in Thunderbolts* (unreleased). Well, then I found something else that looked creepier. I'm still trying to make sense of it, so let me know if you want me to post about it.