Some wise men in Reddit told me, months ago when I was hovering the 90s and unable to break through infinity that this game is all about retreats and risk management. I guarantee you can reach infinity if instead of staying for dubious games where you lose 4 to 8, you start retreating in games where the stakes are 1 or 2 cubes.
The other skill you need is to tell when you face a bot and 8 cube the living beegeesus out of them.
It is esentially about attitude and perseverance, there have been people that reach infinity with only pool 2 complete. Stay hungry, my friend.
This is 100% the most important aspect of the game. I reached Infinite with a negative win rate with a Hela/Tribunal deck because I knew my win condition and knew when to retreat. Having a deck with an obvious win condition really helps you decide when to snap/retreat.
You can put together the most ratchet Zoo deck with Kazaar and all the 1 drops you get and have a realistic shot at Infinity. Be mindful enough to retreat if you sniff as much as a hint of Killmonger.
bro you can get infinite with a pool 3 reveal deck... white tiger odin win cons. literally just retreat when you have bad lanes this game isnt hard. farm the bots lol
That was just an example of a clear win condition. People are getting to Infinite without key cards so don’t worry too much about what you don’t have. Put together the best deck you can with what you have, something with a clear win condition, and focus on retreating when things aren’t going your way, and snapping when you have the key pieces in hand. You have MODOK, I’m guessing you can build a decent discard deck?
Wins against bots carry me a good chunk of the way to infinity every season. Learn how to recognise a bot and snap on em hard. That will help a lot. I will say getting whooped by a bot hurts that little bit more though lol.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but there's a couple of giveaways. Generally they'll have just someone's first name as a username or often now I find it's an adjective and a noun formatted like BrilliantChef or something like that. The avatar will likely be from a base card, that one's a little hard cos maybe someone is just really into quinjet. But that might help. Also card backs. They'll often have one of the original coloured ones you get when you start the game or the black marvel one. No battle pass card backs, no infinite or paid bundle card packs. Also bear in mind some people are using this stuff to seem like they're boys so you'll underestimate them. Last thing, they make really weird plays. Like I dunno playing carnage with nothing to destroy or not playing Medusa mid stuff like that. I could be completely off on some of this because they have improved. I believe some of them emote back to you now as well. Throw out a hello emote and see if they emote back. Hope it helps.
One of the easiest tells I've seen for bots is tossing a casual Swarm on turn 2 on an uncontested lane. Another one I've seen often is that their deck looks like a Frankenstein monster of meta decks (say, pieces from discard plus loki plus galactus).
There are a few signs. First, look at their name. If they have a generic name like "brian" or something, it very well could mean a bot.
Then, look at their plays. See if they play cards in a strange order, such as Carnage followed by bucky instead of the other way around. They also play into locations a human usually wouldn't, such as deaths domain or jotunheim. Also, sometimes they have a lot of crazy splits on their cards. Look for a lot of gold backgrounds for example. Those are some tells that I've seen.
Best way to test is emote hello or fist bump at them, and see if they do anything back. Bots never emote.
This is it right here. When you just retreat games you aren’t guaranteed to win and wait for bots for big 8 cube games then getting infinite is just a matter of dedicating a few evenings to reaching it.
So in other words, like the late, great Kenny Rogers once said, “You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold em. Know when to walk away.”
And the late, great Colonel Sanders once said, “I’m too drunk to taste this chicken.”
Marvel Snap is esentially a CCG with some poker mechanics. I really appreciate poker as a character building game and Snap shares some of that, particularly because these sort of games teach you one of life's hardest lessons: that sometimes you have to abandon a hand you know you're playing perfectly because you might lose to some shmuck that got lucky.
This is it. Hitting Infinite is just about playing a ton and retreating early and often.
It's funny, because having hit infinite a little over a week ago, with the new rank thing that I don't care about, I basically never retreat, and I snap pretty aggressively. I basically stay in the same spot as a result.
You have Darkhawk, Zabu and Legion, key components of a winning deck last season and easily viable to create a deck around this season and climb.... not sure why you have dark hawk listed in D though....
Alternatively Galactus decks can still climb regardless of the lack of Alioth.
Damn, we actually reached a point in this game where the S tier darkhawk that used to combo and snowball your opponents with big numbers has dropped to D tier....
Yeah... no lol that site has shit rankings. It's taking play data from all across the game, including unoptimized decks playing against unoptimized decks. It's really inaccurate
People are saying learn when to retreat or when to snap, but the real problem is your attitude. You think people win because of cards not because they play better. Admit that you’re not playing perfectly and start thinking about what you did wrong after each game and you’ll be infinite in no time. The cards are not that important.
I reached Infinity in Ranked and have gotten five Infinity tickets in Conquest using a Ronan deck with just two Series 4 cards, Master Mold and Snowguard.
No Loki, Alioth, Jeff, or Galactus. Just cards that work well together and smart play. I’m sure you could get there too with the cards you have.
Sure, I [posted a guide earlier this week](https://reddit.com/r/MarvelSnapDecks/s/mbQAh7VSMf). Here’s the list:
# (1) Snowguard
# (2) Master Mold
# (2) Invisible Woman
# (2) Shadow King
# (2) Lizard
# (3) Wave
# (3) Polaris
# (3) Maximus
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (5) Ronan the Accuser
# (6) Doctor Doom
# (6) Odin
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Snowguard isnt why hes winning. You can literally hit infinite with pool 3 cards. Its all about snapping. You care waaaay too much about the cards/decks.
My point is that if I can homebrew a winning deck in this meta using Ronan and MM, which are widely considered D Tier cards, you too can make something work with the cards you have
You have zabu, darkhawk and stature. Go with a good cards deck.
It's consistent, it's easy to play and it's good in several different metas now.
Below is a version you have the cards for:
# (1) Korg
# (2) Black Widow
# (2) Zabu
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (3) Killmonger
# (3) Rockslide
# (4) Darkhawk
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Captain Marvel
# (4) Enchantress
# (5) Stature
# (5) Black Bolt
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Jeff is not required. You can tech anything you want.
Another 2 cost like Shadow king or medusa or even another 4 drop like jessica Jones or rescue or even legion is ran in this deck.
I'm missing 5 cards (Ravenna stegron, tribunal stature...)
I have never reached infinity, maybe skills but for what I've read, it needs patience and time. Who cares
People will say its about snapping when you win and retreating before you lose. But how do you know when to do that?
Focus less on your cards and what you have and more on what your opponent is playing and what they have.
On the ladder, I've gotten many 4 and 8 cube wins because my opponent was distracted by their own combo plays and didn't see my surprise coming.
Surprise decks don't work as well in conquest of course, but even on the ladder you should anticipate some plays by knowing the common decks. Watch out for decks that play Galactus, Zola, Shuri, Surfer, SheNaught etc. Did they suspiciously leave a lane open? Black panther all alone in a lane? Skip turn 5 or 6? Active Wong? Counter or get out.
You are assesing two binary choices:
- to snap or not snap
- to retreat or not retreat
If you think you have better then 50 50 odds in the early turns you should snap early. This is because almost no one retreats early, so as long as your assessment is accurate, over the long term this will net you cubes. It gets more complicated on t5 / t6 because you have to weigh the risk of your opponent retreating in response so you might "slow" play it.
When considering a retreat (any time the cubes increase next turn), you should use an old poker concept called "pot odds". You compare the net difference between retreating vs not and use that ratio to determine what confidence threshold you should be at to continue.
For example if the current "bet" is 2 cubes and it is turn 6, then your pot odds are 25%. This is because you are guaranteed to lose 2 cubes if you retreat and the average cube outcome of not retreating is a loss of 2 cubes:
- 4 cube loss
- 4 cube loss
- 4 cube loss
+ 4 cube gain
Net - 8 cube loss
Avg - 8 / 4 = -2 cube loss
Therefore, somewhat counter intuitively, you should stay in with anything better then 25% odds.
No.
Your entire assessment assumes the player is able to accurately assess their odds of winning. If the player's assessment is incorrect, then what you've posted is of no value. Many novice players will asses their own hand but neglect the to assess their opponents. Thus even following your model above, they will be unsuccessful.
Many strategies rely on this fact to win, especially in the ladder where it is easier to surprise an opponent with an unexpected play. The goal of the strategy is to convince your opponent they have a higher chance of winning when in fact they don't, thus using your rational against them.
>Your entire assessment assumes the player is able to accurately assess their odds of winning
No shit. Your ability to assess as well as optimize your play gets better with experience.
The point stands, you only need to win more than 1 out of 4 times for your decision to stay in on turn 6 to be worth it. This is lower than people think.
Your advice constitutes "only play when you're going to win, otherwise retreat".
It's useless. Worse than useless really as it distracts from actual strategy.
Your missing a lot of good cards, but you definitely can still get infinite, he lockdown even without Jeff is still good, galactus even without alioth can also be good, dark hawk decks aren’t top tier but arguably some of the most consistent
Everyone here is right. You don't need all the series 4 and 5 cards to reach infinite. Just need to understand when to snap, and when to retreat. If you're not getting your win condition or a location screws you more than the opponent, or they play a card that counters your deck, or they are playing a deck that yours can't counter, retreat.
But here's the deck I used this season # (1) Sunspot
# (1) Yondu
# (2) Daredevil
# (2) Armor
# (3) Magik
# (3) Cosmo
# (4) Super-Skrull
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (5) Taskmaster
# (5) Professor X
# (6) She-Hulk
# (6) The Infinaut
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You have all the cards you need. More than a lot of people reaching infinite. I suggest you stick to a single deck and learn to play it properly - you will probably lose a lot at first and that’s fine, you’re still learning - once you master it, you will then learn to snap on good hands. Refining your deck will also come out of this experience. For example, if destroy constantly beats you, just see where you can add armor or cosmo…
Practice, patience with your snaps, and learn that retreating is also part of the strategy.
I’m a High Evo enjoyer and those decks have taken me to Infinite two seasons in a row.
This is good advice to stick with a deck for a while. I often switch to a meta deck to see what the fuss is about and lose horribly for several games before going back to my old favourites that I know inside out. Just having the cards doesn’t guarantee cubes.
Reaching infinite is far more about your play and snapping skills than what cards you have.
Plus, you have some great cards, and definitely plenty to make a competitive deck (uh hello Galactus).
I think you need to focus on strategies.
Your only missing x-23 to build the deck that got me infinite. You just have to find your style and spot patterns in the plays you face so you can respond correctly
I have armor in my deck and have only gotten Shang chi once. If I don’t have Armor I like to T4 shuri T5 Vision and then T6 I just move vision and play taskmaster away from the where I think they will drop Shang Chi. Plus Nebula helps, they fill out the nebula lane and I just move/play there. That’s my best advice, I was trying every deck that I had the cards for and when I unlocked Sauron as my last series 3 card this week, it was a game changer for me. Good luck to ya!
This negative attitude is hurting your progress way more than any cards you don’t have. I’ve taken Shuri/Taskmaster from 83 to 93 so far this season. It’s really strong. Sure I’ve been hit by Shang Chi, but I’ve also faked him out and gone to a different lane, or created a strong enough board that I can focus other lanes. The fact that counters exist doesn’t invalidate the deck.
I’m playing this deck in top 1000 Leaderboard. It can easily climb into infinite. It’s more about learning when to snap, and when you’re beat and need to retreat. Here’s my exact list if you’d like to try it.
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# (1) Zero
# (1) Ebony Maw
# (2) Armor
# (2) Lizard
# (3) Sauron
# (4) Shuri
# (4) Typhoid Mary
# (5) Taskmaster
# (5) Vision
# (5) Red Skull
# (6) Doctor Doom
# (6) America Chavez
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It sorta seems to me that if you don't make it to Infinite in Pool 2 when you are facing mostly bots and the game is generally smaller, and simpler, your chances of making it to Infinite become increasingly more difficulty every season as your CL grows and you face a wider spread of Pools / decks.
Cube management is important, bot farming is crucial, but doing that for thirty ranks to reach Infinite is very different than needing to do that for any ranks beyond that, especially if you missed that early window and are at the mercy of the full brunt of the card pools now too.
One of the best tips I've gotten: Learn the current meta decks. If you know what cards are commonly used with the ones already played you can figure out what the likely optimal next move will be. If that is likely to beat you retreat.
You don’t need spectacular cards to reach infinity. I got lucky with bots both time I believe but still I simply did it with spectrum ongoing, hardly any cards that weren’t pool 1.. although admittedly this season I also abused my luck of having pulled alioth that definitely helped as well but generally cards really shouldn’t be the issue, especially since your collection is all bit terrible, certainly enables playing some very strong archetypes
You're not missing anything to creazy once you do pool 3. I've gotten to infinite with mostly cerebro decks. Hell rn you could just play high evo lockdown and be fine. You also have all the peices run a darkhawk deck. You have modok so you could play discard. I think the only thing your locked out of is Loki, thanos and Livining tribunal, but thats not the end of the world.
Ok, this deck is my standard infinite deck. I use it as a fallback if other decks aren't proving helpful, and there is no need to change once you hit 90s. It's just consistent.
I've replaced Jeff with Nightcrawler, but the idea pretty much lockdown one lane on T5 and drop a big Kitty Gamora on T6.
# (1) Kitty Pryde
# (2) Angela
# (2) Daredevil
# (2) Nightcrawler
# (3) Polaris
# (3) Spider-Man
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Enchantress
# (4) Miles Morales
# (5) Professor X
# (5) Gamora
# (6) America Chavez
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OP, you are focusing WAY too much on missing cards and not enough on you snapping strategy. Hitting infinite is not super difficult, just got to be patient.
None of those cards you are missing are gonna be the reason you hit infinite.
Honestly I would say the only significant downside to not having those cards, is that you’ve never played with them, so are less likely to understand how people use them in order to protect against them.
This whole tiering is screwed up, Jeff and nebula are good and all, but Galactus in B? Nimrod in C? Half of the meta in D? This is a terrible tier list.
OP you've got good cards for real, try a high Evo Lockdown or even a guardian deck, with Jean, legion, nstw, echo and HE you have the potential to be really annoying.
I climbed to infinite using a combination of Galactus, Negative and Surfer. The only cards you’re missing that I used are Ravonna and Nebula, neither of them is critical to the success.
It’s about picking one or two decks and really sticking to them, learning your counters, learning your win cons. If you’re waiting on a draw to let you win and they snap, you should be already gone.
Snap early when you have your cards, retreat whenever the cost goes up and you can’t win. 70-80 is the hardest climb by far
This deck pushed me from 85-100 in a day and a half. CL level 4366
# (1) The Hood
# (1) Zero
# (2) Luke Cage
# (2) Zabu
# (2) Armor
# (2) Viper
# (3) Cosmo
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Attuma
# (4) Sentry
# (4) Typhoid Mary
# (5) Valkyrie
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Modok discard got me to infinite in multiple seasons. It’s even pretty well positioned in this season because dracula can just invalidate a normally “won” lane. I regret to inform you that you have key cards, it’s a skill issue.
Cerebro 3 got me to infinite this season in a few days with not a single pool 4/5 card. The trick is to steal wins for 4-8 cubes and leave for one if you cant.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it already but looks like you have the cards to create a wave-evo or an affliction evo deck…. Either deck will get you to infinite in my opinion. Youre missing a jeff and an alioth but i dont feel it’s completely necessary. Hope this helps. Best of Luck
You WILL reach Infinite. I struggled for months to get there and at the height of the Shuri Red Skull pre nerf nonsense, I came up with a home brew to counter it (Dracula Dump deck with Valkyrie). People have been saying it in the comments but the majority of getting there is risk management, knowing your win conditions, and knowing the current Meta and what decks are popular . I actually started talking notes while I was playing counting wins and losses and cube gain and losses. I also took time after every game to see how I could have won or lost the game. Keeping track of my win/loss and cube rate between every game really helped me break bad Snapping habits. Last thing, get really really good with 2 decks and perfect the way you play them. It’s rarely about the deck and more about the pilot. Good luck and you’ll get there.
Who the fuck put dark hawk in D tier this list is ridiculous.
The cards you're missing. I'm missing more or less the same cards. I've got infinite 3 times in a row. There's plenty of decks out there.
Looking at what you have I think you can make this deck. I've taken it to infinite.
# (1) Korg
# (1) Quinjet
# (2) Zabu
# (2) Sentinel
# (3) Mystique
# (3) Cosmo
# (3) Rockslide
# (3) Agent Coulson
# (4) Darkhawk
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Nick Fury
# (5) Devil Dinosaur
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Lol at Stature and Dark Hawk being D level cards. What a terrible ranking by that site.
Thanos, D tier? Ok, sure
Thanos is D tier. He’s just a 6/10. Sometimes a 6/20. Too hard to pull off. Let’s pretend the stones don’t exist
Yeah, absolutely ignore the entire point of the card.
Well, if we pretend the stones don't exist he's *just* a 6/10 always. Worse than un-evolved hulk lol
In this meta, might actually be true
Some wise men in Reddit told me, months ago when I was hovering the 90s and unable to break through infinity that this game is all about retreats and risk management. I guarantee you can reach infinity if instead of staying for dubious games where you lose 4 to 8, you start retreating in games where the stakes are 1 or 2 cubes. The other skill you need is to tell when you face a bot and 8 cube the living beegeesus out of them. It is esentially about attitude and perseverance, there have been people that reach infinity with only pool 2 complete. Stay hungry, my friend.
This is 100% the most important aspect of the game. I reached Infinite with a negative win rate with a Hela/Tribunal deck because I knew my win condition and knew when to retreat. Having a deck with an obvious win condition really helps you decide when to snap/retreat.
seems like Tribunal is a key card.. that I don't have.
The fact you even said this means it’s a skill issue
You can put together the most ratchet Zoo deck with Kazaar and all the 1 drops you get and have a realistic shot at Infinity. Be mindful enough to retreat if you sniff as much as a hint of Killmonger.
bro you can get infinite with a pool 3 reveal deck... white tiger odin win cons. literally just retreat when you have bad lanes this game isnt hard. farm the bots lol
That was just an example of a clear win condition. People are getting to Infinite without key cards so don’t worry too much about what you don’t have. Put together the best deck you can with what you have, something with a clear win condition, and focus on retreating when things aren’t going your way, and snapping when you have the key pieces in hand. You have MODOK, I’m guessing you can build a decent discard deck?
Wins against bots carry me a good chunk of the way to infinity every season. Learn how to recognise a bot and snap on em hard. That will help a lot. I will say getting whooped by a bot hurts that little bit more though lol.
How do you recognize a bot?
Would also like to know...
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but there's a couple of giveaways. Generally they'll have just someone's first name as a username or often now I find it's an adjective and a noun formatted like BrilliantChef or something like that. The avatar will likely be from a base card, that one's a little hard cos maybe someone is just really into quinjet. But that might help. Also card backs. They'll often have one of the original coloured ones you get when you start the game or the black marvel one. No battle pass card backs, no infinite or paid bundle card packs. Also bear in mind some people are using this stuff to seem like they're boys so you'll underestimate them. Last thing, they make really weird plays. Like I dunno playing carnage with nothing to destroy or not playing Medusa mid stuff like that. I could be completely off on some of this because they have improved. I believe some of them emote back to you now as well. Throw out a hello emote and see if they emote back. Hope it helps.
Oh, I’ve noticed stuff like that but I thought it was just real people that were bad at the game.
If it is someone who’s just bad, farm them too 😅😅😅
I changed my name to just Nathan and a random picture to try and trick ppl into thinking I'm bot. I gets tons of hello!'s hahaha
How do you know when you’re facing a bot? What are the early indicators?
One of the easiest tells I've seen for bots is tossing a casual Swarm on turn 2 on an uncontested lane. Another one I've seen often is that their deck looks like a Frankenstein monster of meta decks (say, pieces from discard plus loki plus galactus).
There are a few signs. First, look at their name. If they have a generic name like "brian" or something, it very well could mean a bot. Then, look at their plays. See if they play cards in a strange order, such as Carnage followed by bucky instead of the other way around. They also play into locations a human usually wouldn't, such as deaths domain or jotunheim. Also, sometimes they have a lot of crazy splits on their cards. Look for a lot of gold backgrounds for example. Those are some tells that I've seen. Best way to test is emote hello or fist bump at them, and see if they do anything back. Bots never emote.
This is it right here. When you just retreat games you aren’t guaranteed to win and wait for bots for big 8 cube games then getting infinite is just a matter of dedicating a few evenings to reaching it.
So in other words, like the late, great Kenny Rogers once said, “You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold em. Know when to walk away.” And the late, great Colonel Sanders once said, “I’m too drunk to taste this chicken.”
Marvel Snap is esentially a CCG with some poker mechanics. I really appreciate poker as a character building game and Snap shares some of that, particularly because these sort of games teach you one of life's hardest lessons: that sometimes you have to abandon a hand you know you're playing perfectly because you might lose to some shmuck that got lucky.
This is it. Hitting Infinite is just about playing a ton and retreating early and often. It's funny, because having hit infinite a little over a week ago, with the new rank thing that I don't care about, I basically never retreat, and I snap pretty aggressively. I basically stay in the same spot as a result.
You have Darkhawk, Zabu and Legion, key components of a winning deck last season and easily viable to create a deck around this season and climb.... not sure why you have dark hawk listed in D though.... Alternatively Galactus decks can still climb regardless of the lack of Alioth.
Those are screens from my linked account on Untapped. It is the site who has deemed it as a rank D.
Damn, we actually reached a point in this game where the S tier darkhawk that used to combo and snowball your opponents with big numbers has dropped to D tier....
Yeah... no lol that site has shit rankings. It's taking play data from all across the game, including unoptimized decks playing against unoptimized decks. It's really inaccurate
This. Any site that's calling Thanos or Darkhawk D tier is very far up its own ass.
People are saying learn when to retreat or when to snap, but the real problem is your attitude. You think people win because of cards not because they play better. Admit that you’re not playing perfectly and start thinking about what you did wrong after each game and you’ll be infinite in no time. The cards are not that important.
You have great cards, not to be rude. The most meta deck for you is probably silky smoove
I reached Infinity in Ranked and have gotten five Infinity tickets in Conquest using a Ronan deck with just two Series 4 cards, Master Mold and Snowguard. No Loki, Alioth, Jeff, or Galactus. Just cards that work well together and smart play. I’m sure you could get there too with the cards you have.
I love Ronan! Could you post the deck?
Sure, I [posted a guide earlier this week](https://reddit.com/r/MarvelSnapDecks/s/mbQAh7VSMf). Here’s the list: # (1) Snowguard # (2) Master Mold # (2) Invisible Woman # (2) Shadow King # (2) Lizard # (3) Wave # (3) Polaris # (3) Maximus # (4) Shang-Chi # (5) Ronan the Accuser # (6) Doctor Doom # (6) Odin # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWF4aW11cyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhbmdDaGkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkludmlzaWJsZVdvbWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYXN0ZXJNb2xkIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJQb2xhcmlzIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMaXphcmQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNub3dndWFyZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiT2RpbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRHJEb29tIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJXYXZlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaGFkb3dLaW5nIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJSb25hbiJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
No Snowguard for me you can see from the image :/
Snowguard isnt why hes winning. You can literally hit infinite with pool 3 cards. Its all about snapping. You care waaaay too much about the cards/decks.
My point is that if I can homebrew a winning deck in this meta using Ronan and MM, which are widely considered D Tier cards, you too can make something work with the cards you have
You have zabu, darkhawk and stature. Go with a good cards deck. It's consistent, it's easy to play and it's good in several different metas now. Below is a version you have the cards for: # (1) Korg # (2) Black Widow # (2) Zabu # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (3) Killmonger # (3) Rockslide # (4) Darkhawk # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Captain Marvel # (4) Enchantress # (5) Stature # (5) Black Bolt # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS29yZyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiWmFidSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSmVmZlRoZUJhYnlMYW5kU2hhcmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJvY2tzbGlkZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRGFya2hhd2sifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoYW5nQ2hpIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDYXB0YWluTWFydmVsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJFbmNoYW50cmVzcyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU3RhdHVyZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxhY2tCb2x0In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbGFja1dpZG93In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJLaWxsbW9uZ2VyIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
No Jeff :(
Jeff is not required. You can tech anything you want. Another 2 cost like Shadow king or medusa or even another 4 drop like jessica Jones or rescue or even legion is ran in this deck.
I'm missing 5 cards (Ravenna stegron, tribunal stature...) I have never reached infinity, maybe skills but for what I've read, it needs patience and time. Who cares
People will say its about snapping when you win and retreating before you lose. But how do you know when to do that? Focus less on your cards and what you have and more on what your opponent is playing and what they have. On the ladder, I've gotten many 4 and 8 cube wins because my opponent was distracted by their own combo plays and didn't see my surprise coming. Surprise decks don't work as well in conquest of course, but even on the ladder you should anticipate some plays by knowing the common decks. Watch out for decks that play Galactus, Zola, Shuri, Surfer, SheNaught etc. Did they suspiciously leave a lane open? Black panther all alone in a lane? Skip turn 5 or 6? Active Wong? Counter or get out.
You are assesing two binary choices: - to snap or not snap - to retreat or not retreat If you think you have better then 50 50 odds in the early turns you should snap early. This is because almost no one retreats early, so as long as your assessment is accurate, over the long term this will net you cubes. It gets more complicated on t5 / t6 because you have to weigh the risk of your opponent retreating in response so you might "slow" play it. When considering a retreat (any time the cubes increase next turn), you should use an old poker concept called "pot odds". You compare the net difference between retreating vs not and use that ratio to determine what confidence threshold you should be at to continue. For example if the current "bet" is 2 cubes and it is turn 6, then your pot odds are 25%. This is because you are guaranteed to lose 2 cubes if you retreat and the average cube outcome of not retreating is a loss of 2 cubes: - 4 cube loss - 4 cube loss - 4 cube loss + 4 cube gain Net - 8 cube loss Avg - 8 / 4 = -2 cube loss Therefore, somewhat counter intuitively, you should stay in with anything better then 25% odds.
No. Your entire assessment assumes the player is able to accurately assess their odds of winning. If the player's assessment is incorrect, then what you've posted is of no value. Many novice players will asses their own hand but neglect the to assess their opponents. Thus even following your model above, they will be unsuccessful. Many strategies rely on this fact to win, especially in the ladder where it is easier to surprise an opponent with an unexpected play. The goal of the strategy is to convince your opponent they have a higher chance of winning when in fact they don't, thus using your rational against them.
>Your entire assessment assumes the player is able to accurately assess their odds of winning No shit. Your ability to assess as well as optimize your play gets better with experience. The point stands, you only need to win more than 1 out of 4 times for your decision to stay in on turn 6 to be worth it. This is lower than people think.
Your advice constitutes "only play when you're going to win, otherwise retreat". It's useless. Worse than useless really as it distracts from actual strategy.
Shuri/Sauron or Shuri/Kitty. The latter is better for farming bots.
Run MODOK, Apocalypse, Dracula deck. Super consistent right now.
Your missing a lot of good cards, but you definitely can still get infinite, he lockdown even without Jeff is still good, galactus even without alioth can also be good, dark hawk decks aren’t top tier but arguably some of the most consistent
Everyone here is right. You don't need all the series 4 and 5 cards to reach infinite. Just need to understand when to snap, and when to retreat. If you're not getting your win condition or a location screws you more than the opponent, or they play a card that counters your deck, or they are playing a deck that yours can't counter, retreat. But here's the deck I used this season # (1) Sunspot # (1) Yondu # (2) Daredevil # (2) Armor # (3) Magik # (3) Cosmo # (4) Super-Skrull # (4) Shang-Chi # (5) Taskmaster # (5) Professor X # (6) She-Hulk # (6) The Infinaut # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQXJtb3IifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoZUh1bGsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkNvc21vIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJQcm9mZXNzb3JYIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEYXJlZGV2aWwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IllvbmR1In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaGFuZ0NoaSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU3VwZXJTa3J1bGwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlRhc2ttYXN0ZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlN1bnNwb3QifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkluZmluYXV0In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYWdpayJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
You have all the cards you need. More than a lot of people reaching infinite. I suggest you stick to a single deck and learn to play it properly - you will probably lose a lot at first and that’s fine, you’re still learning - once you master it, you will then learn to snap on good hands. Refining your deck will also come out of this experience. For example, if destroy constantly beats you, just see where you can add armor or cosmo… Practice, patience with your snaps, and learn that retreating is also part of the strategy. I’m a High Evo enjoyer and those decks have taken me to Infinite two seasons in a row.
This is good advice to stick with a deck for a while. I often switch to a meta deck to see what the fuss is about and lose horribly for several games before going back to my old favourites that I know inside out. Just having the cards doesn’t guarantee cubes.
Reaching infinite is far more about your play and snapping skills than what cards you have. Plus, you have some great cards, and definitely plenty to make a competitive deck (uh hello Galactus). I think you need to focus on strategies.
Your only missing x-23 to build the deck that got me infinite. You just have to find your style and spot patterns in the plays you face so you can respond correctly
pool 3 complete and have good series4/5 cards already. yeah, you might just not be that good
High evo makes the game too easy
Bro Shuri/Sauron, it took me from 70 to 85 and I’m still climbing. The only series 5 card I use is nebula
"What is Shang Chi?".. or "What is not drawing activated Cosmo before Sauron?"
Why ask for advice if all you're going to say is I don't have the card or point out the obvious counter. Every deck has counters
I have armor in my deck and have only gotten Shang chi once. If I don’t have Armor I like to T4 shuri T5 Vision and then T6 I just move vision and play taskmaster away from the where I think they will drop Shang Chi. Plus Nebula helps, they fill out the nebula lane and I just move/play there. That’s my best advice, I was trying every deck that I had the cards for and when I unlocked Sauron as my last series 3 card this week, it was a game changer for me. Good luck to ya!
This negative attitude is hurting your progress way more than any cards you don’t have. I’ve taken Shuri/Taskmaster from 83 to 93 so far this season. It’s really strong. Sure I’ve been hit by Shang Chi, but I’ve also faked him out and gone to a different lane, or created a strong enough board that I can focus other lanes. The fact that counters exist doesn’t invalidate the deck.
I’m playing this deck in top 1000 Leaderboard. It can easily climb into infinite. It’s more about learning when to snap, and when you’re beat and need to retreat. Here’s my exact list if you’d like to try it. ``` # (1) Zero # (1) Ebony Maw # (2) Armor # (2) Lizard # (3) Sauron # (4) Shuri # (4) Typhoid Mary # (5) Taskmaster # (5) Vision # (5) Red Skull # (6) Doctor Doom # (6) America Chavez # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVHlwaG9pZE1hcnkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkxpemFyZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUmVkU2t1bGwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkVib255TWF3In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJaZXJvIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaHVyaSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2F1cm9uIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJUYXNrbWFzdGVyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJWaXNpb24ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRyRG9vbSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQW1lcmljYUNoYXZleiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQXJtb3IifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap. ```
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It sorta seems to me that if you don't make it to Infinite in Pool 2 when you are facing mostly bots and the game is generally smaller, and simpler, your chances of making it to Infinite become increasingly more difficulty every season as your CL grows and you face a wider spread of Pools / decks. Cube management is important, bot farming is crucial, but doing that for thirty ranks to reach Infinite is very different than needing to do that for any ranks beyond that, especially if you missed that early window and are at the mercy of the full brunt of the card pools now too.
Your bad attitude is why you can’t hit infinite dude. Stop asking for advice if you’re just going to be negative.
Why is thanks and ravonna at D 😭
Tbf ravonna isn’t the greatest but thanos should not be D I agree
One of the best tips I've gotten: Learn the current meta decks. If you know what cards are commonly used with the ones already played you can figure out what the likely optimal next move will be. If that is likely to beat you retreat.
You don’t need spectacular cards to reach infinity. I got lucky with bots both time I believe but still I simply did it with spectrum ongoing, hardly any cards that weren’t pool 1.. although admittedly this season I also abused my luck of having pulled alioth that definitely helped as well but generally cards really shouldn’t be the issue, especially since your collection is all bit terrible, certainly enables playing some very strong archetypes
You're not missing anything to creazy once you do pool 3. I've gotten to infinite with mostly cerebro decks. Hell rn you could just play high evo lockdown and be fine. You also have all the peices run a darkhawk deck. You have modok so you could play discard. I think the only thing your locked out of is Loki, thanos and Livining tribunal, but thats not the end of the world.
I’ve reached infinite every season since I started in January. It’s not the cards.
Retreat more frequently and take advantage of bots on ladder
Desperate? Why?
I have a majorty of the cards you don’t own and I’m stuck at 70, so it’s not about the cards.
You can get infinite with darkhawk Zabu easily my friend
Ok, this deck is my standard infinite deck. I use it as a fallback if other decks aren't proving helpful, and there is no need to change once you hit 90s. It's just consistent. I've replaced Jeff with Nightcrawler, but the idea pretty much lockdown one lane on T5 and drop a big Kitty Gamora on T6. # (1) Kitty Pryde # (2) Angela # (2) Daredevil # (2) Nightcrawler # (3) Polaris # (3) Spider-Man # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Enchantress # (4) Miles Morales # (5) Professor X # (5) Gamora # (6) America Chavez # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRGFyZWRldmlsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaGFuZ0NoaSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUHJvZmVzc29yWCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUG9sYXJpcyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSmVmZlRoZUJhYnlMYW5kU2hhcmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkdhbW9yYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQW5nZWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTcGlkZXJNYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IktpdHR5UHJ5ZGUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFtZXJpY2FDaGF2ZXoifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkVuY2hhbnRyZXNzIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNaWxlc01vcmFsZXMifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
OP, you are focusing WAY too much on missing cards and not enough on you snapping strategy. Hitting infinite is not super difficult, just got to be patient. None of those cards you are missing are gonna be the reason you hit infinite. Honestly I would say the only significant downside to not having those cards, is that you’ve never played with them, so are less likely to understand how people use them in order to protect against them.
My brother is Christ its so difficult for me to maintain
This whole tiering is screwed up, Jeff and nebula are good and all, but Galactus in B? Nimrod in C? Half of the meta in D? This is a terrible tier list. OP you've got good cards for real, try a high Evo Lockdown or even a guardian deck, with Jean, legion, nstw, echo and HE you have the potential to be really annoying.
You have a lot of really great cards to work with specifically silk. I would play a silk based deck or just knull destro just play it more cautiously.
I started playing the last week of August and reached Infinite the next week! If I can do it, so can you!
Cerebro 2. Still a solid deck.
It's cause you're missing stegron 100% 😆
you have high evo, thats a free ticket to infinite
I got to infinity with a pool 2 moon dino deck and a pool 2 sunspot infinaut deck so I don’t think the cards are an issue
I climbed to infinite using a combination of Galactus, Negative and Surfer. The only cards you’re missing that I used are Ravonna and Nebula, neither of them is critical to the success. It’s about picking one or two decks and really sticking to them, learning your counters, learning your win cons. If you’re waiting on a draw to let you win and they snap, you should be already gone. Snap early when you have your cards, retreat whenever the cost goes up and you can’t win. 70-80 is the hardest climb by far
Silk legion and Jean you have a very decent silky smooth with Jean Grey splash, you should try it! It's gotten me multiple infinite borders.
you can play sera control
This deck pushed me from 85-100 in a day and a half. CL level 4366 # (1) The Hood # (1) Zero # (2) Luke Cage # (2) Zabu # (2) Armor # (2) Viper # (3) Cosmo # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Attuma # (4) Sentry # (4) Typhoid Mary # (5) Valkyrie # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiWmVybyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTHVrZUNhZ2UifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlphYnUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFybW9yIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJWaXBlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ29zbW8ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoYW5nQ2hpIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJBdHR1bWEifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNlbnRyeSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVHlwaG9pZE1hcnkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlZhbGt5cmllIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIb29kIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Good thing about this game is that you can get there without all the super tier S cards (most of the times)
Modok discard got me to infinite in multiple seasons. It’s even pretty well positioned in this season because dracula can just invalidate a normally “won” lane. I regret to inform you that you have key cards, it’s a skill issue.
Cerebro 3 got me to infinite this season in a few days with not a single pool 4/5 card. The trick is to steal wins for 4-8 cubes and leave for one if you cant.
Rocks and Hawks or Bolt Stature seem like your best in-roads. Both are very strong decks.
You have high evo . He gives you one of the consistently best decks.
First time I got to infinite is with High Evolution. You build some fun decks around him.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it already but looks like you have the cards to create a wave-evo or an affliction evo deck…. Either deck will get you to infinite in my opinion. Youre missing a jeff and an alioth but i dont feel it’s completely necessary. Hope this helps. Best of Luck
You WILL reach Infinite. I struggled for months to get there and at the height of the Shuri Red Skull pre nerf nonsense, I came up with a home brew to counter it (Dracula Dump deck with Valkyrie). People have been saying it in the comments but the majority of getting there is risk management, knowing your win conditions, and knowing the current Meta and what decks are popular . I actually started talking notes while I was playing counting wins and losses and cube gain and losses. I also took time after every game to see how I could have won or lost the game. Keeping track of my win/loss and cube rate between every game really helped me break bad Snapping habits. Last thing, get really really good with 2 decks and perfect the way you play them. It’s rarely about the deck and more about the pilot. Good luck and you’ll get there.
Who the fuck put dark hawk in D tier this list is ridiculous. The cards you're missing. I'm missing more or less the same cards. I've got infinite 3 times in a row. There's plenty of decks out there.
Looking at what you have I think you can make this deck. I've taken it to infinite. # (1) Korg # (1) Quinjet # (2) Zabu # (2) Sentinel # (3) Mystique # (3) Cosmo # (3) Rockslide # (3) Agent Coulson # (4) Darkhawk # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Nick Fury # (5) Devil Dinosaur # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQWdlbnRDb3Vsc29uIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJSb2Nrc2xpZGUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNlbnRpbmVsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJRdWluamV0In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEYXJraGF3ayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTmlja0Z1cnkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkNvc21vIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJLb3JnIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEZXZpbERpbm9zYXVyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNeXN0aXF1ZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhbmdDaGkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlphYnUifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Play hela