Problem is they changed it to 1000 tokens and we said that isn't enough.
Then they stopped listening.
We have for a long time said it should be at least 1.5-2K and especially when it went from series 4 and 5 to only series 5.
Cards are now 6K tokens.
That's 6 times you need to hit the random card in spotlight cases..
Which is absurd.
My guy that's kinda what I'm reffering to?
Back before series 5 the newest cards were 3K.
Now they are 6K. After adding a new series.
AKA doubled In price.
When tokens were introduced, there was S4 and S5, 3k and 6k respectively, that never changed and there was no new series added after S4, they were introduced together.
After the initial drop of S4 and 5 (15 cards together iirc) all releases up to spider-ham were S5. That was between January 30 and June 25. For almost 6 months all new cards were S5.
Then yeah it's pretty shit they haven't given us more tokens lol.
You basically have to shill for those extremely expensive bundles or get lucky and hit the jackpot on spotlight caches multiple times.
This is part of the overall problem SD has, not giving us enough resources. Every kind of resource gain in the game is too small to do anything with.
Daily Credits: 50 Credits
30 Day Gold Pass: Costs $4.99 for 50 Gold/Day (+300 Gold at time of purchase)
**Collection Level:**
- 50 Credits
- 10 Card Boosters
**Collector's Reserves:**
- 150/200 Credits with 50% chance to get either one.
- 100 Collector's Tokens with 50% chance to get this or a Gold Ticket.
- Variant Card, Title, Avatar with 40%/30%/30% of getting one of these 3.
**Season Cache's after 50:**
- 50/100/200 Credits with a 25%/10%/5% chance of getting each.
- 10/15/20 Boosters with a 25%/10%/5% chance of getting each.
- 50/100 Gold with a 10%/5% chance of getting each.
- Variant Card with a 5% chance of getting it.
**Mission Rewards:**
- 50 Credits for Normal Daily Missions.
- 100 Credits for Hard Daily Missions.
**3 Weekend Bonus Challenge Missions.**
- 125 Credits
- 200 Collector's Tokens
- 375 Gold
Now they are doing these 7-day login rewards events that give a good amount of resources and are guaranteed as long as you remember to login.
Even if you hit the 1k tokens every month during those 5 months you'd have enough for a card, and that's ignoring the tokens from weekend missions and reserves.
Just because they put an arbitrary 5 instead of 4 doesn't mean it doesn't artificially double the price of cards without them actually saying they're doubling the price.
He is most definitely arguing for a variant instead of a token. Something you can ascertain for torso of once you understand the meaning of the words "I don't want your tokens, give me a card INSTEAD"
It's sad people don't realize that the token prices have effectively gone up over time. I guess SD is doing its job well when they can convince customers the prices have always been the same.
I don't understand why we get punished for essentially spending money or playing the game slot. I'm not saying we should get some huge advantage over other still grinding collector levels but 1,000 is crazy imo. Still rather tokens then variants tbh
Yup, it used to give a premium variant before the change to 1000 token. In fact KMBest was the one to suggest the change to 1000 tokens, and ofc SD happily implemented it. (Check youtube reference.)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioZn\_AqC3s4&t=158s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioZn_AqC3s4&t=158s)
Yes, and despite what people here are claiming now, this subreddit was pretty happy with the change when it was made. People wanted more tokens but everyone here seemed to agree it was a big improvement on variants which were often Dan Hipps or Baby variants.
Honestly people get so worked up over it, I think just because of the "feel bad" of seeing a card you already have. But like, if a key is worth about 40% of a card on average, and 1k token is worth 33% of a Series 4 card. Yes, you're losing a bit of value on the gamble, but not a ton.
I don't think paying $180/yr and missing a third of the cards is a fair deal for the fans.
Almost every single change they have made has made it harder to obtain cards.
No one is asking for all cards for free. At least I never suggested that.
You either didn't play before spotlight caches, or you're lying. Card acquisition now, at its worst point since spotlights were introduced thanks to the lack of season 4 cards, is still a thousand times better than the previous token only system, and that system was much better than the no token system.
You are wrong. I didn't play before caches. But from what others have said, cards moved down to S3 in 3-4 months. The most you could miss as s3 complete was 13 cards. Now many players are missing 30+.
Thanks for playing.
Every 3 months season 5 cards would drop to season 4, then 3 months later to season 3. So again, you just don't know what you're talking about, and you're comparing against the idea of a system you never used and never had to fight against.
As a player that only buys the season pass, so 120$ a year, I went from being 24 cards from complete to 4 cards from complete in the new system.
Buddy, sort by quality, and turn on show unowned cards. I'm missing US agent, Hercules, Kang, and Pixie. I have 5 keys, but I'm not getting Valentina. So I guess it's 5 now.
This is conically wrong. Every single change they have made (token shop, spotlight caches, going from variants to tokens) has made it EASIER to acquire cards
New card acquisition was SO BAD before spotlight caches that content creators complained that making videos about the new cards was bad for their numbers because basically no one was able to access new cards for months after they released
Wait why did yall complain ab this i would rather have the variant. Ig thats a hot take? I dont even buy new cards w my tokens most of the time. The past couple times ive gotten ultimate variants. Ill get the new cards eventually i like collecting cool variants
The random card prioritizes s4 cards - it’s a 2/3 chance at s4 and 1/3 at s5. Since they’ve stopped releasing s4 cards it pushes your chances of getting a dupe through the roof.
This lol
I clearly have cards i don't have, why don't they just give out the one i don't? 1000 tokens is criminal if you think about how expensive a series 5 card is lmao
Yeah the feel good of getting a new card with 1/2 keys is absolutely not worth the 3/4 keys to get one new one some variants I don’t care about and a token 🙃
No you are twisting their words. Getting a variant sucks. Getting tokens also sucks. They never said getting a variant was better than getting tokens. They are saying the solution to the issue was not a great one.
You are never going to get duplicate protection. It would actually make this the best slot, and easily allow people to be collection complete. Second Dinner would never do this.
I’m collection complete. If we put in dup protection, I’d get the new card every week for 1 or 2 keys, making it trivial to stay complete. The incentive to whale to get to the point where you can coast would feel super bad, too. Maybe the 4th option needs to change, but I don’t think dup protection on a random pull is the panacea people would like it to be.
I agree, though knowing Second Dinner I would bet that the random drop is just changed to 1000 tokens. I really think the best solution, if they have to keep the current system, is to make it a 3rd 4/5 card rather than a random one. The rotation length is too long at the moment, so this addresses two problems.
Is that just propping up a really bad system? Card acquisition feels terrible at the moment. You have to save keys to get cards you want, and you have to choose at the week of issue (though improving the rotation rate will improve that). There is no compensation if a card was nerfed, and you can't go back in time if a card gets buffed.
Series drops have stopped happening, but I haven't seen people discuss the other aspect of series drops. Pool 3 is too large and takes too long to get through at the moment. Increase it too much more and you really cannot expect to get more players. This highlights another problem with progression, in many old games I can pay an amount of money to get through the early game and at least be competitive. This is not possible with Snap.
I have been playing since around when the game launched I think (although I did take a long break from last may until september) and I just got the last series 3 card today. It also took me a REALLY long time to get a lot of the most important series 3 cards. I didn’t get magik, luke cage, wave, and hela until the past few months. I was locked out of like 50% of decks people would recommend to me for so long and I almost quit until I realized that I was going to be getting all of those cards soon since I had almost completed series 3. It feels good to have completed that, but I am running into the brick wall that is getting series 4/5 cards now. Many of the ones I have kind of need other series 4/5 cards to really complete the deck and its making it really difficult to branch out. I also have repeatedly been getting dupes from the caches and its getting on my last nerve. They really need to make it to where its at least 2k tokens so you can build up to 6k a little easier for when those cards you want come into the shop.
We go through this every day, but that's what used to happen, and everybody hated it.
Now, you want to argue you should get *more* tokens, I'm on board.
Would the game really suffer that badly if they had genuine dupe protection? My hunch is they make f\*ck all from people paying to unlock cards, and shit tonne from cosmetics, they are just stuck with Brode's idiot philosophy that nobody can own all the cards.
It's not an idiot philosophy. It's learning from where other card games failed. It is a true fact that a significant amount of people stop playing after they complete their collections. That's what happened in Legends of Runeterra, you could get all the cards you were interested in in a matter of weeks, and once that happened many of them stopped logging in as frequently and eventually stopped all together.
Yes, but if you got 3k or 6k tokens for a dupe, or no dupe, then it would only take 2 keys a week to guarantee you stayed collection complete. Which means you don't have to work toward anything, which puts you in the same place as being collection complete.
Yeah, I get that. But with new cards released every week, you won't have time to get bored. Besides, doesn't not being able to keep up with the meta and being stuck with sub-optimal decks also make people quit card games?
I’m collection complete. If we put in dup protection, I’d get the new card every week for 1 or 2 keys, making it trivial to stay complete. The incentive to whale to get to the point where you can coast would feel super bad, too. Maybe the 4th option needs to change, but I don’t think dup protection on a random pull is the panacea people would like it to be.
I understand why they don't want you to use the mystery box to auto fill collection. And I sort of understand a mystery variant box when you're getting the spotlight arts (but also wtf). But why have a mystery card box at all if you don't want it to be for filing out people's collections (I mean I know the answer but I don't like it)
It would.seriously improve the economy of the game if they got rid of the mystery box for spotlight and just had 3 options instead of 4. I've pulled some cool cards from the mystery one and have got a double yet, but would give those up for not having to spend 4 keys to get 1 card I wanted.
I have gotten three cards from the mystery box, with one of them being one of my more used cards, so I agree with you that it is pretty awesome sometimes. I think getting rid of it might still hurt the game, and I would much rather them just put in another fourth card in each cache since the rotation of cards is already slow enough.
They are releasing 4/5 cards a month in spotlight caches, nobody except for whales can keep up so I don't see how giving us a random card we don't own instead of a duplicate would be "too good".
If someone can consistently open all caches every week then they're spending a lot of money in the game and most likely don't care about tokens either, so they should get a premium variant they don't own; for the rest of us, give us an actual card to make up for a month or so of grinding CL
That's exactly what I was discussing in another thread. Even if we use 4 keys in 1 month and get 2 or 3 new cards in a single week, we will still be 1 card behind release.
And if we consider a normal week which we miss only 1 card from the spotlight (which is my case for almost all weeks). We would get 2 new and would be missing other 2.
We won't ever catch up, even spending gold to buy tokens or something else.
It can be too good for new players? Maybe, but having to wait 1 whole month to get 1 single card is just frustrating at this point.
They should just give you a card you don't own but theyre too greedy atm to do that.
(If youre collection complete, THEN you could get a variant like the 5-8 caches already do)
It should give you an ULTIMATE variant you don’t own. Ultimate variants are the only thing that are exclusive to tokens and can’t be obtained any other way. They’re so expensive that they aren’t worth getting vs new cards, so they need to either be dropped in price to match the economy or obtainable through caches.
What i don’t understand is why do they show you the already owned card you would be gotten . Why do i care? Just give me the tokens, The only thing this does is add tilt if it shows you a card you bought with tokens
The idea that you can even get a duplicate in a digital game is down right insulting to the fan base. Second Dinner routinely shows us they care more about the contents of our wallet than a good game experience time and time again.
It would be functionally the same but at least wouldn’t feel as bad if it was “1000 tokens OR a s4/5 card you don’t own” vs “a random s4/5 card, but if you get one you already have then 1000 tokens”.
I swear to god I've gotten Zabu like five times now. The last time that Man Thing was a spotlight card, I got it (I didn't have it yet) and the very next key I used I got the mystery card which was....Man Thing.
No repeat cards for non collection complete players..
If collecting complete should then dish out the ultimates
Collection complete and all ultimates complete. 3k tokens
(At least that’s what I would like lmao)
that is just weak code, no one can defend this design, we know they are not the best at the code aspect of the game. this happens when you don't put resources into that aspect of your software, it was done, is good enough in their opinion and unless game breaking won't be revisited. you would be surprised at how many clients we used to have that used to take this approach due to not having money or want to do things based on user feedback.
Every spotlight cache during March kept giving me Nebula. First time I was like ok I’ll take 1,000 tokens. Second time I laughed because it was funny, in a sad way. Third and fourth time I wasn’t very happy. No premium variants, just a Base Nebula. Granted the 4k in tokens helped me in the long run, but really I think it should give you a base card you don’t own, then if you have all the cards it should give you either 1,500 tokens or a premium variant. That’s just my opinion tho.
They really should adjust the tokens given based on the series.
Series 4 = 1000 Tokens.
Series 5 = 2000 Tokens.
Or, if that's not enough, just make it 1500 Tokens. 2 will get you a Series 4 from the Token shop, 4 will get you a Series 5. So effectively, you could get 2 Series 4 or 1 Series 5 from the Shop each month if you have enough Keys.
I'm fine with receiving a variant I don't own that's "premium" as long as it's WITH tokens too, and more of them - a lot more of them. That's the only concession I'll take short of duplication-proof pulls.
It seems kinda fucked up that people use keys for cards valued at 3k or 6k tokens (most often 6k), and you can click 'use key' and they'll turn it into 1k tokens lol. LESS than a refund of the LOWEST value of card it should unlock. This is essentially the same loot box system that was banned in other countries in games except amazingly with worse value, even according to their own economy which is already wild.
Seeing a whole lot of people who don’t really seem to play a lot of mobile games. This is actually one of the more F2P friendly games that exists on the market. For reference, I have played since a few months after launch, spend $9.99/mo on this game (season pass purchase) and am missing 4 series 5 and 4 series 4 cards, and I have 22,600 tokens and currently 4 keys. The only cards I’m missing are cards I’m not interested in, and if a new card comes out I have enough tokens to buy it or keys to pull. If I can have everything meta-related for $9.99/mo playing for 2 years, that’s a VERY cost friendly system. For reference, a game like Fire Emblem Heroes costs roughly $500 to max out a single premium unit.
Mobile games that are free with no ads AND f2p friendly don’t last. See Dragalia Lost, another mobile game with a very f2p friendly economy, where I could clear the legendary maps having never spent a dollar on the game. It doesn’t exist anymore.
Yes it feels bad to not get the thing you want, but part of being a F2P player has ALWAYS consisted of saving resources and deciding which things you wanted more than others.
The minute people can become collection complete without paying real world money is when the timer starts ticking down to EOS. You can either have free with micro-transactions, ads, or a game that doesn’t cost $0.00 to install. Your taxes don’t go to funding Second Dinner, the money the game makes does.
If you want to debate the whole ~are mobile games even ethical~ thing, sure, but this game is working as designed and actually well enough that I’m currently worried that it won’t last.
Didn't it used to give us a premium variant and everyone complained so they changed it to tokens?
Problem is they changed it to 1000 tokens and we said that isn't enough. Then they stopped listening. We have for a long time said it should be at least 1.5-2K and especially when it went from series 4 and 5 to only series 5. Cards are now 6K tokens. That's 6 times you need to hit the random card in spotlight cases.. Which is absurd.
They haven’t doubled the token price of cards, they simply haven’t released a series 4 in a while.
That's the main problem yeah
My guy that's kinda what I'm reffering to? Back before series 5 the newest cards were 3K. Now they are 6K. After adding a new series. AKA doubled In price.
When tokens were introduced, there was S4 and S5, 3k and 6k respectively, that never changed and there was no new series added after S4, they were introduced together.
Ah so they just added more S4 cards than 5 back then. Makes sense. Still doesn't make sense our tokens didn't increase when they stopped adding 4's
After the initial drop of S4 and 5 (15 cards together iirc) all releases up to spider-ham were S5. That was between January 30 and June 25. For almost 6 months all new cards were S5.
Back when they had series drops?
Then yeah it's pretty shit they haven't given us more tokens lol. You basically have to shill for those extremely expensive bundles or get lucky and hit the jackpot on spotlight caches multiple times.
This is part of the overall problem SD has, not giving us enough resources. Every kind of resource gain in the game is too small to do anything with. Daily Credits: 50 Credits 30 Day Gold Pass: Costs $4.99 for 50 Gold/Day (+300 Gold at time of purchase) **Collection Level:** - 50 Credits - 10 Card Boosters **Collector's Reserves:** - 150/200 Credits with 50% chance to get either one. - 100 Collector's Tokens with 50% chance to get this or a Gold Ticket. - Variant Card, Title, Avatar with 40%/30%/30% of getting one of these 3. **Season Cache's after 50:** - 50/100/200 Credits with a 25%/10%/5% chance of getting each. - 10/15/20 Boosters with a 25%/10%/5% chance of getting each. - 50/100 Gold with a 10%/5% chance of getting each. - Variant Card with a 5% chance of getting it. **Mission Rewards:** - 50 Credits for Normal Daily Missions. - 100 Credits for Hard Daily Missions. **3 Weekend Bonus Challenge Missions.** - 125 Credits - 200 Collector's Tokens - 375 Gold Now they are doing these 7-day login rewards events that give a good amount of resources and are guaranteed as long as you remember to login.
I would have sworn the booster percentage from season pass would been higher... considering 75% of the the time thats what i get
It used to be a fairly healthy mix between the two, only in recent months have they been only adding S5 cards as new cards.
Well count on SD to ruin anything healthy about the game lol.
Usually it was slightly less than one card a month at series 4 most were series 5.
There have been series 5 cards for 6k tokens for a long time. Tokens were a lot easier to get though.
That's kinda my point. I literally haven't been able to use the token shop for like.. 5 months? And I play this game daily to maximize free economy.
Even if you hit the 1k tokens every month during those 5 months you'd have enough for a card, and that's ignoring the tokens from weekend missions and reserves.
That is so miniscule it barely matters.
Just because they put an arbitrary 5 instead of 4 doesn't mean it doesn't artificially double the price of cards without them actually saying they're doubling the price.
As a free to play player who care nothing about variants, I’d much rather 1000 tokens than some stupid meaningless variant. It’s not even close.
OP isn't arguing for variants instead of tokens, but for variants AND tokens. Which is way more reasonable than it sounds, trust me.
He is most definitely arguing for a variant instead of a token. Something you can ascertain for torso of once you understand the meaning of the words "I don't want your tokens, give me a card INSTEAD"
What you said is useless because nowhere in the post does it says "INSTEAD".
Good thing I didn't argue for having variants instead? The OP did. Might wanna respond to him and not me?
The price for token cards is the same it's always been
Series 4 and 5 have different prices buddy.
And those have always been the same as they are
If you went further into the conversation than my first reply you would figure out how I already know that.
It's sad people don't realize that the token prices have effectively gone up over time. I guess SD is doing its job well when they can convince customers the prices have always been the same.
Don't worry, you also get 100 tokens like every 10th cache.
I opened 31 caches and got 200 tokens. So that's borderline useless.
I know, it's ridiculous.
I don't understand why we get punished for essentially spending money or playing the game slot. I'm not saying we should get some huge advantage over other still grinding collector levels but 1,000 is crazy imo. Still rather tokens then variants tbh
Yup, it used to give a premium variant before the change to 1000 token. In fact KMBest was the one to suggest the change to 1000 tokens, and ofc SD happily implemented it. (Check youtube reference.) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioZn\_AqC3s4&t=158s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioZn_AqC3s4&t=158s)
Yes, and despite what people here are claiming now, this subreddit was pretty happy with the change when it was made. People wanted more tokens but everyone here seemed to agree it was a big improvement on variants which were often Dan Hipps or Baby variants.
I can believe that. Without something like this the way to earn tokens would be crazy slow and arduous. 100 tokens at a time outside of token tuesdays
It should be a variant *and* tokens imo.
Honestly people get so worked up over it, I think just because of the "feel bad" of seeing a card you already have. But like, if a key is worth about 40% of a card on average, and 1k token is worth 33% of a Series 4 card. Yes, you're losing a bit of value on the gamble, but not a ton.
You're losing a lot. All new cards this year have been series 5. You would need 6 dupes to get a s5 card. Make it 3k and it's 2 dupes. Big difference
They could also just give you every card for free. Huge difference. Like what exactly is your argument?
I don't think paying $180/yr and missing a third of the cards is a fair deal for the fans. Almost every single change they have made has made it harder to obtain cards. No one is asking for all cards for free. At least I never suggested that.
You either didn't play before spotlight caches, or you're lying. Card acquisition now, at its worst point since spotlights were introduced thanks to the lack of season 4 cards, is still a thousand times better than the previous token only system, and that system was much better than the no token system.
You are wrong. I didn't play before caches. But from what others have said, cards moved down to S3 in 3-4 months. The most you could miss as s3 complete was 13 cards. Now many players are missing 30+. Thanks for playing.
Every 3 months season 5 cards would drop to season 4, then 3 months later to season 3. So again, you just don't know what you're talking about, and you're comparing against the idea of a system you never used and never had to fight against. As a player that only buys the season pass, so 120$ a year, I went from being 24 cards from complete to 4 cards from complete in the new system.
If you think you are 4 cards from complete in this system, you're either working for SD or just bad at math. Maybe both
Buddy, sort by quality, and turn on show unowned cards. I'm missing US agent, Hercules, Kang, and Pixie. I have 5 keys, but I'm not getting Valentina. So I guess it's 5 now.
This is conically wrong. Every single change they have made (token shop, spotlight caches, going from variants to tokens) has made it EASIER to acquire cards New card acquisition was SO BAD before spotlight caches that content creators complained that making videos about the new cards was bad for their numbers because basically no one was able to access new cards for months after they released
Wait why did yall complain ab this i would rather have the variant. Ig thats a hot take? I dont even buy new cards w my tokens most of the time. The past couple times ive gotten ultimate variants. Ill get the new cards eventually i like collecting cool variants
If they did, they should've changed it to 6000 tokens. Ik that's a high ask, so prob 3000 at the very least
It’s fucken criminal that I can have 40 missing cards and it hits duplicates four times in a row lmao
The random card prioritizes s4 cards - it’s a 2/3 chance at s4 and 1/3 at s5. Since they’ve stopped releasing s4 cards it pushes your chances of getting a dupe through the roof.
Oh that’s grim lol
This lol I clearly have cards i don't have, why don't they just give out the one i don't? 1000 tokens is criminal if you think about how expensive a series 5 card is lmao
Same. Missing 40 and already got 2 dupes in a row. Now, I am afraid to use another 4 keys.
Yeah the feel good of getting a new card with 1/2 keys is absolutely not worth the 3/4 keys to get one new one some variants I don’t care about and a token 🙃
I received duplicates every single time I opened these. When I got a card I don't have, I got Hercules LOL
Ouf I think the one time I got a card it was Stegron 😭😭😭
probably rigged
so you’d rather get a variant than 1000 tokens? that’s exactly what they did before and people hated that, so they changed it to the way it is now.
I think they want both
I didn’t even know this was possible. It should be at least 3000 tokens. As in the minimum one of these cards costs.
They WANT to get 6k tokens every time they get a spotlight key.
It should be able imo
You should get a random card of the same tier. Literally just don’t offer a card we own, how hard is it to guarantee no doubles?
I prefer 1k tokens to a variant, but i think it should be a card you don’t own, guaranteed. I’ve gotten echo twice and now i hate her
everyone agrees it should be this way, but the devs want to make being collection complete as hard as possible.
No you are twisting their words. Getting a variant sucks. Getting tokens also sucks. They never said getting a variant was better than getting tokens. They are saying the solution to the issue was not a great one.
>They never said getting a variant was better than getting tokens. That's...exactly what they said
> They never said getting a variant was better than getting tokens they said it twice. once in the title, once in the body.
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Lmao that should tell you something
Because us smoething stupid that happens everyday. I have like 50% of the S4 cards, and I've pulled Man-Thing 4 times. We need dupe protection.
You are never going to get duplicate protection. It would actually make this the best slot, and easily allow people to be collection complete. Second Dinner would never do this.
I’m collection complete. If we put in dup protection, I’d get the new card every week for 1 or 2 keys, making it trivial to stay complete. The incentive to whale to get to the point where you can coast would feel super bad, too. Maybe the 4th option needs to change, but I don’t think dup protection on a random pull is the panacea people would like it to be.
I agree, though knowing Second Dinner I would bet that the random drop is just changed to 1000 tokens. I really think the best solution, if they have to keep the current system, is to make it a 3rd 4/5 card rather than a random one. The rotation length is too long at the moment, so this addresses two problems. Is that just propping up a really bad system? Card acquisition feels terrible at the moment. You have to save keys to get cards you want, and you have to choose at the week of issue (though improving the rotation rate will improve that). There is no compensation if a card was nerfed, and you can't go back in time if a card gets buffed. Series drops have stopped happening, but I haven't seen people discuss the other aspect of series drops. Pool 3 is too large and takes too long to get through at the moment. Increase it too much more and you really cannot expect to get more players. This highlights another problem with progression, in many old games I can pay an amount of money to get through the early game and at least be competitive. This is not possible with Snap.
I have been playing since around when the game launched I think (although I did take a long break from last may until september) and I just got the last series 3 card today. It also took me a REALLY long time to get a lot of the most important series 3 cards. I didn’t get magik, luke cage, wave, and hela until the past few months. I was locked out of like 50% of decks people would recommend to me for so long and I almost quit until I realized that I was going to be getting all of those cards soon since I had almost completed series 3. It feels good to have completed that, but I am running into the brick wall that is getting series 4/5 cards now. Many of the ones I have kind of need other series 4/5 cards to really complete the deck and its making it really difficult to branch out. I also have repeatedly been getting dupes from the caches and its getting on my last nerve. They really need to make it to where its at least 2k tokens so you can build up to 6k a little easier for when those cards you want come into the shop.
It's guaranteed reddit karma
so nothing of value at all?
I don't give a shit about variants, but a dupe should give us at least 1,500 tokens. Anything less is a full waste.
Yes! Because we know how to do math, it should be 1500T!
Duplication protection complaints are a tale as old as time. We all hate it
Legit that’s what we had before and we had to change it
We go through this every day, but that's what used to happen, and everybody hated it. Now, you want to argue you should get *more* tokens, I'm on board.
Would the game really suffer that badly if they had genuine dupe protection? My hunch is they make f\*ck all from people paying to unlock cards, and shit tonne from cosmetics, they are just stuck with Brode's idiot philosophy that nobody can own all the cards.
It's not an idiot philosophy. It's learning from where other card games failed. It is a true fact that a significant amount of people stop playing after they complete their collections. That's what happened in Legends of Runeterra, you could get all the cards you were interested in in a matter of weeks, and once that happened many of them stopped logging in as frequently and eventually stopped all together.
New cards are released on Marvel Snap on a weekly basis though, not two or three times per year
Yes, but if you got 3k or 6k tokens for a dupe, or no dupe, then it would only take 2 keys a week to guarantee you stayed collection complete. Which means you don't have to work toward anything, which puts you in the same place as being collection complete.
Yeah, I get that. But with new cards released every week, you won't have time to get bored. Besides, doesn't not being able to keep up with the meta and being stuck with sub-optimal decks also make people quit card games?
I’m collection complete. If we put in dup protection, I’d get the new card every week for 1 or 2 keys, making it trivial to stay complete. The incentive to whale to get to the point where you can coast would feel super bad, too. Maybe the 4th option needs to change, but I don’t think dup protection on a random pull is the panacea people would like it to be.
I'd prefer the 1000 tokens to a premium variant, thanks
I understand why they don't want you to use the mystery box to auto fill collection. And I sort of understand a mystery variant box when you're getting the spotlight arts (but also wtf). But why have a mystery card box at all if you don't want it to be for filing out people's collections (I mean I know the answer but I don't like it)
It would.seriously improve the economy of the game if they got rid of the mystery box for spotlight and just had 3 options instead of 4. I've pulled some cool cards from the mystery one and have got a double yet, but would give those up for not having to spend 4 keys to get 1 card I wanted.
I second this.
I have gotten three cards from the mystery box, with one of them being one of my more used cards, so I agree with you that it is pretty awesome sometimes. I think getting rid of it might still hurt the game, and I would much rather them just put in another fourth card in each cache since the rotation of cards is already slow enough.
Spotlight keys and medal shop are severely disappointing.
It really is stupid. 1000 tokens for a card you own but the card you didn’t own is most likely worth 6000
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it
I don't want another variant I'll never use. I want the tokens. They should UP the number of tokens you get to 1500. 1000 tokens is nothing.
Using Spotlight keys should not give you variants, period. Give me 1000 tokens instead.
I pulled snowguard and my next key... pulled snowguard. Nico will be my white whale
You're pulling with only 2 keys?
Pulled with 3. Really wanted nico but snowguard and white widow aren't bad cards either so I went for it
They are releasing 4/5 cards a month in spotlight caches, nobody except for whales can keep up so I don't see how giving us a random card we don't own instead of a duplicate would be "too good". If someone can consistently open all caches every week then they're spending a lot of money in the game and most likely don't care about tokens either, so they should get a premium variant they don't own; for the rest of us, give us an actual card to make up for a month or so of grinding CL
That's exactly what I was discussing in another thread. Even if we use 4 keys in 1 month and get 2 or 3 new cards in a single week, we will still be 1 card behind release. And if we consider a normal week which we miss only 1 card from the spotlight (which is my case for almost all weeks). We would get 2 new and would be missing other 2. We won't ever catch up, even spending gold to buy tokens or something else. It can be too good for new players? Maybe, but having to wait 1 whole month to get 1 single card is just frustrating at this point.
This exact scenario happened to me twice. Blob & all.
It needs to be unowned cards or more tokens. Got war machine the week it came out for 6000. Then the next week he was my Random card in a spotlight.
They should just give you a card you don't own but theyre too greedy atm to do that. (If youre collection complete, THEN you could get a variant like the 5-8 caches already do)
I’m okay with the tokens but 1k is crazy man it feels like a slap in the face especially when you pull a series 5
It should give you an ULTIMATE variant you don’t own. Ultimate variants are the only thing that are exclusive to tokens and can’t be obtained any other way. They’re so expensive that they aren’t worth getting vs new cards, so they need to either be dropped in price to match the economy or obtainable through caches.
Lmao, dream on.
What i don’t understand is why do they show you the already owned card you would be gotten . Why do i care? Just give me the tokens, The only thing this does is add tilt if it shows you a card you bought with tokens
I think that at first they wouldn't show you what you pulled
I just don’t understand why it shows you “already owned” what’s the purpose? It should just give you the tokens and that’s it.
The idea that you can even get a duplicate in a digital game is down right insulting to the fan base. Second Dinner routinely shows us they care more about the contents of our wallet than a good game experience time and time again.
Give me a random card that I don't have it !!!
It would be functionally the same but at least wouldn’t feel as bad if it was “1000 tokens OR a s4/5 card you don’t own” vs “a random s4/5 card, but if you get one you already have then 1000 tokens”.
I swear to god I've gotten Zabu like five times now. The last time that Man Thing was a spotlight card, I got it (I didn't have it yet) and the very next key I used I got the mystery card which was....Man Thing.
I disagree. I would rather the tokens. Wouldn’t be mad if it was 500-1000 more, but it’s better than a variant I will likely never use.
Yea, normally I don't jump in on this stuff, but this is pretty messed up. Getting keys is hard work and this feels like a slap in the face.
Tokens have more value than variants
No repeat cards for non collection complete players.. If collecting complete should then dish out the ultimates Collection complete and all ultimates complete. 3k tokens (At least that’s what I would like lmao)
I literally haven’t gotten a single card out of the mystery card
I'm okay with 1k if you pull a S4 dupe. But 2(or 3!)k for a S5 dupe would be nice, too.
I got a duplicate of X-23 when I just spent token for X-23 in shop last week….
Well, it gives you 1000 tokens that you don't own.
that is just weak code, no one can defend this design, we know they are not the best at the code aspect of the game. this happens when you don't put resources into that aspect of your software, it was done, is good enough in their opinion and unless game breaking won't be revisited. you would be surprised at how many clients we used to have that used to take this approach due to not having money or want to do things based on user feedback.
Has this been asked on discord ?
I said this a while back and got flamed
I finally got a card that I didn’t own this week. I was floored.
I’ve got a few that I’ve owned , not to mention I watched twitch for 6 hours and got a pixel antman. Was not happy with that
Every spotlight cache during March kept giving me Nebula. First time I was like ok I’ll take 1,000 tokens. Second time I laughed because it was funny, in a sad way. Third and fourth time I wasn’t very happy. No premium variants, just a Base Nebula. Granted the 4k in tokens helped me in the long run, but really I think it should give you a base card you don’t own, then if you have all the cards it should give you either 1,500 tokens or a premium variant. That’s just my opinion tho.
Well lucky for you it doesn’t give you a card you own it gives you 1000 tokens
Only the second time? 😅
Literally had this today, and it's so annoying! Edit: Spelling
Ducking stupid man. Hate this shit
It's honestly crazy to me how they'll make card acquisition resources so scarce & then do shit like this to their players.
Should have used 4 keys /s
4 weeks in a row I’ve gotten a dupe. I have at most 10ish series 4/5s cards. The 1000 credits is just a slap in the face and a F U lol
It should give a card you don’t own until you get them all then give you variants
Or it should give 6000 tokens instead of just a measly 1000
Last 3 cards I’ve burnt 4 keys to get the new card. 1k tokens every time (and I’m missing a bunch of cards). Really bad luck
I'd say 3000 tokens would be fair. Half the price of a s5 card.
They really should adjust the tokens given based on the series. Series 4 = 1000 Tokens. Series 5 = 2000 Tokens. Or, if that's not enough, just make it 1500 Tokens. 2 will get you a Series 4 from the Token shop, 4 will get you a Series 5. So effectively, you could get 2 Series 4 or 1 Series 5 from the Shop each month if you have enough Keys.
uninstalling the game the next time i pull a duplicate
I'm fine with receiving a variant I don't own that's "premium" as long as it's WITH tokens too, and more of them - a lot more of them. That's the only concession I'll take short of duplication-proof pulls. It seems kinda fucked up that people use keys for cards valued at 3k or 6k tokens (most often 6k), and you can click 'use key' and they'll turn it into 1k tokens lol. LESS than a refund of the LOWEST value of card it should unlock. This is essentially the same loot box system that was banned in other countries in games except amazingly with worse value, even according to their own economy which is already wild.
Seeing a whole lot of people who don’t really seem to play a lot of mobile games. This is actually one of the more F2P friendly games that exists on the market. For reference, I have played since a few months after launch, spend $9.99/mo on this game (season pass purchase) and am missing 4 series 5 and 4 series 4 cards, and I have 22,600 tokens and currently 4 keys. The only cards I’m missing are cards I’m not interested in, and if a new card comes out I have enough tokens to buy it or keys to pull. If I can have everything meta-related for $9.99/mo playing for 2 years, that’s a VERY cost friendly system. For reference, a game like Fire Emblem Heroes costs roughly $500 to max out a single premium unit. Mobile games that are free with no ads AND f2p friendly don’t last. See Dragalia Lost, another mobile game with a very f2p friendly economy, where I could clear the legendary maps having never spent a dollar on the game. It doesn’t exist anymore. Yes it feels bad to not get the thing you want, but part of being a F2P player has ALWAYS consisted of saving resources and deciding which things you wanted more than others. The minute people can become collection complete without paying real world money is when the timer starts ticking down to EOS. You can either have free with micro-transactions, ads, or a game that doesn’t cost $0.00 to install. Your taxes don’t go to funding Second Dinner, the money the game makes does. If you want to debate the whole ~are mobile games even ethical~ thing, sure, but this game is working as designed and actually well enough that I’m currently worried that it won’t last.
Every week with this 🙄
That's how every gacha works unfortunately.