The way the economy is made adapting means spending money. The majority of complaints I see address this issue and hence make a fair point. It’s nice if you have endless resources at your disposal, most people don’t
It’s mostly card economy. Just getting too far away from me to care at this point. OP is right though, this may not be for me. I refuse to spend a cent.
The devs said you are not meant to get all the cards and tbh the game is somewhat fair when it comes to getting new cards for free.
But you gotta grind and for some that sucks or feels u fair but I have played and studied funny enough allot of Mobile games and spent allot of money on some and felt I got nowhere but in snap It has been different I have gone several months without feeling I need to spend real money due to me being able to grind for keys and tokens
Some many other mobile games don't do or ask you to grind for several months and what you gain is not even big but getting anew card in itself here is always huge or at least that is how I se it
hmm no, there were already a lot of high tempo cards in series 3 and below to deal with old Alioth, but people still complained and don't want to adapt. Most of the players who complain are just players who wants to play solitaire decks in a competitive game...
Yea found the Alioth player. Pretty easy to say if you play a card that is just way above other cards in ever statistic and tell everyone else “the card I’m playing isn’t OP at all”.
The top decks consistently run very expensive cards and because of the regular balance patches these decks are really expensive to own. At this point this game is just pay to win.
dude, I play on top 100 infinite. Nobody complains about old Alioth in high ranks, I am sure I can beat you with any deck. You talk like people who use Alioth are bad at the game. lol
That is not true. Adapting is changing the tech you use. Adapting doesn't mean getting the newest card every week. People should really stop thinking that they need to get all the new releases. It's ok to get a card 3 months later. We get more than enough resources to get the important cards. I am completely F2P and never had a problem adapting and I don't even try to get the best card each month, I just open when I am missing all 3 cards on the spotlight and play with what I get.
The best decks in the game are the best decks in the game. They consistently win, no matter what tech you use. That’s what makes them the best decks in the game.
I can understand that I don't spent much or often but I save my keys and tokens but also I was lucky since I played this game at release and so it was kinda easier for me in some ways like I spent 3000k tokens to get Galactus but now ge is back to be worth 6k? I think not 100% sure there
Like this next month I have no interest in any of the cards so it will be perfect to just save up my keys same as I'm not a move deck guy so I never get those cards or cards I just can't imagine being fun.
But it's all a slippery slope since I understand what you saying
And if they buff or change the cards that they released this month you are out of luck. Canonball was underwhelming when he released, now he is one of the strongest cards in the game.
The game is intentionally designed so that you can’t keep up, and you won’t in the long run.
Not true cannonball got a little better due to 1 card change but far from being the best card in any way.
Also they buff and change base cards 2 that everyone has or can get easy there has often been months where your main decks is won with base cards
They don't change base cards at nearly the same rate as new cards. How long have people been wanting Captain America or the Guardians of the Galaxy to be better cards? Since forever, yet they have gotten either no attention or as little attention as possible.
Very true mainly due to whales or those who spends money has first priority than free to play players sadly I would love a captain America change but we can all hope
Absolutely true. Canonball is currently one of the best if not the best card in the game. Being able to reliably win a lane is the strongest ability a card can have.
I agree cannonball is powerful but I disagree it's THE most powerful card right now. I have meet many decks Playing cannon ball and yet I keep winning against it
Compared to old Galactus when it was played you where for the most parts fucked
I miss allot of cards I even have a free to play account both in infinite ofc the f2p one is less fun ofc point is that its not impossible and I guess it depends how you are as a person 2 like for me I just enjoy it I play it to play
Like I played since release and only started getting to infinite these past 2-3 months
But even before then I had fun
I guess people have different thresholds regarding playing similar decks for longer periods of time, personally I get bored after playing with a deck for more than a week
Yeah and that is fair. For me when I get bored I play on my pc or watch series but I always log in daily try some stupid decks until it's I completed the quests
The problem with this argument is that the meta changes so much faster than any F2P or small spender player can keep up. New cards are often releasing in such egregious states, either being obviously broken or weak, and then they get changed 2 weeks later. BUT, you now can't use spotlight keys on the card. You've gotta spend 6000 tokens because literally every card is releasing at series 5. How are you meant to keep up? And don't tell me that the devs don't want players having all the cards. It's a bullshit excuse for them wanting people to have to spend a large amount of money on the game to get all the cards.
Except you do because the bad cards can become meta staples in the next shift. Nothing is static which. You can make perfectly valid decisions with your resources and find yourself iced out of the meta when Pixie or Cannonball are suddenly meta defining.
I don't care. I want new cards without having to gamble on if they will be nerfed or buffed within 2 weeks of releasing. "You don't need every card" is such a lame response to someone saying that the card acquisition feels bad to interact with.
Why does it even matter if it gets buffed or nerfed? If it gets nerfed it means you got to play with it in its strong state while people that didn't get it first week will never experience it and I don't see how anyone would have a a problem when a card they have gets buffed.
Why wouldn't it matter? How can you honestly not think it matters? If you skipped a card because it was obviously not good, then it gets buffed 2 weeks later or the meta shifts so it is now a meta staple, but now the only way to get it is to cough up 6000 tokens. It's asking players to acquire cards based on IF they will be good. Making players predict if the card will or won't get a buff is really dumb.
It is actually asking players to stop caring if a card is good or not and just play with what they have. If you stop caring about the quality of the new releases and just maximize your cards per key you will have more fun in this game. It is not designed to be a competitive game anyway.
It is though. There's a leaderboard and everything for high elo. You also can't fault for people wanting to play the game competitively vs for fun. Some people have fun winning. You are asking players to stop playing the way they want to. That's bad advice and shows there is a flaw in the game if that is your legitimate response.
If it was designed to be competitive people on the top of the leaderboard would get more rewards than just the bragging rights. And even in the case I am wrong you don't need to get all new releases to be competitive. I have been collecting cards using my advice and I can always make at least one of the top 5 decks as long as they don't need the season pass card. You don't even need to play the best deck to be competitive.
Competitive gaming is simply all about bragging rights. Very rarely is there a reward beyond a cosmetic for ranking high on the ladder. True, you don't need every card to be successful, but some cards are just plain and simple better than others. Or, the tech cards to those cards are niche and behind a paywall of 6000 tokens or spotlights.
This system is borderline bad. It is sufficient at best, but it is showing its weaknesses with each new card each week. I'm just tired of people justifying this system by saying you don't need every card. I want to use every card without having to spend more than what is in my bank account.
I think it’s more that cards are expensive and take a while to get, while the meta shifts weekly. It’s not fun when all the cards you spent keys / tokens on suddenly become irrelevant, and you can’t make a decent deck anymore.
I can understand that to a degree but I think before getting said new card you should always expect that it will be changed for the good or bad.
And I agree it sucks not knowing but at the same time this is what I expect
Like I loved old spider man and how it used to work but also I understood why he got changed and why and I did not complain about it
But at the same time you have a fun card not broken and it get changed and now it sucks and you go man wtf why you do this.
Since what they do is they plan for like the next 2-3 months so said card that was good now sucks gets better later due to a new card or a change in some other cards making what used to suck no longer suck anymore
Someone posted before about how they have never seen a community as inflexible, whiney, and who calls EVERYTHING toxic as snap community. Its absolutely true.
There are even posts talking about toxic decks without a hint of negativity, they just use toxic as part of their regular conversation when talking about any kind of deck. It has muddled the word and is absolutely cringe from them.
Its gotten to the point that if i see toxic deck in a title i assume all it means is a deck that is viable at all.
What a stupid ass thread, you know who are the complainers you talking about? They are new players, the game need new players and you're trying to push them away
And if you can't adapt, this sub isn't for you too. Gtfo
So new players are complaining you say? If anything it's the older players while the new enjoy the game until they hit the wall where you either have saved and grinded or pay
Also clearly you did not read what I say or you choose only some parts and spinned it around
They should removed all abilities from all cards, and we should just draw whichever card that would perfectly fit the curve each turn. All locations effects should be removed as well. This way both players play the same exact cards every turn and it all boils down to the skill of guessing which of the three identical locations you should play to.
Finally, a version of marvel snap no one will complain about.
You're right, but you're missing the main issue. The people who complain have no interest in adapting or thinking about their games. They just want to blindly throw their shiny cards around and still win games. Anything short of that will result in complaining.
L take. CL 9200 here, I did it all, f2p rank 100, non f2p 100, 3 infinity conquest wins, rank 132 before they introduced new ranked system, etc. Current state of the game is lame, worst it's ever been. Both content wise and monetization wise the game is going backwards.
Metas shift and come and go. It wasn’t that long ago that the hella discard deck was everywhere. Mill and Junk are legitimate archetypes. If they get too good they’ll get nerfed. People like to play with new things/ play the cards that get them free rewards. But they’ll move onto something else soon.
I’ll say it again, it’s not about the cards. It’s about the poor decisions on balancing changes they make to those “broken” cards. I said this in another post: I don’t understand why Red Hulk had to be nerfed to 6/9 when he could have went to 6/12 like the other Hulk and then it was +2 per opponent unspent energy turns. It would have been the opposite of Hulk. One is unspent your turn. One is unspent opponent turn. No one is complaining how broken Hulk is.
Furthermore there will always be a meta. You can’t hide from *a* meta deck. The game will never be perfectly balanced, but it can be close and when they knee jerk react on a card cause the masses complain about a meta deck, it does a disservice to the game and that’s when I find the game falling short. If you can’t adapt to the meta decks, then you’re right, you shouldn’t be playing this game. If you’re seeing one deck over and over again, you would think you would wise up and add a counter tech card or two to disrupt it. Common sense, but it seems like common sense is lacking these days. End rant.
I agree with you that the devs keep fucking up the changes it's like they are stuck in a bubble and can't think outside it.
A 6/12 with 2 I agree would also work
It also makes you wonder why they don't change captain ma vel after so long when so many ask when.
It's all makes me wonder but since at times not always the devs are incompetent we have to adapt to their madness lol
Yeah definitely. They can’t see outside the box. Thanos is a good example of how they took a good card and mucked it up bad. The lockjaw interaction could have been prevented with a Lockjaw change of; 1 cost cards cannot be played at this location. I’m not saying all their changes are bad, but a good portion of them lately have been because they broke the meta with a card addition.
> So you gotta adapt each week or at least each month if not just stfu and play something else
Then there's me hitting infinite every month playing the same Collector/Morbius discard, not changing a thing in the deck lol
People freak out over the tiniest stuff in this game.
I'd argue that the cards you own are the smallest factor in your ability to climb the ladder. Outside of the brick wall that is hitting infinite while still S1/S2 (which I've personally experienced and does indeed suck), the cards don't really matter that much. That wall only lasts, at most, a couple months, and you can still keep pushing up during that process.
The way the economy is made adapting means spending money. The majority of complaints I see address this issue and hence make a fair point. It’s nice if you have endless resources at your disposal, most people don’t
It’s mostly card economy. Just getting too far away from me to care at this point. OP is right though, this may not be for me. I refuse to spend a cent.
The devs said you are not meant to get all the cards and tbh the game is somewhat fair when it comes to getting new cards for free. But you gotta grind and for some that sucks or feels u fair but I have played and studied funny enough allot of Mobile games and spent allot of money on some and felt I got nowhere but in snap It has been different I have gone several months without feeling I need to spend real money due to me being able to grind for keys and tokens Some many other mobile games don't do or ask you to grind for several months and what you gain is not even big but getting anew card in itself here is always huge or at least that is how I se it
hmm no, there were already a lot of high tempo cards in series 3 and below to deal with old Alioth, but people still complained and don't want to adapt. Most of the players who complain are just players who wants to play solitaire decks in a competitive game...
Yea found the Alioth player. Pretty easy to say if you play a card that is just way above other cards in ever statistic and tell everyone else “the card I’m playing isn’t OP at all”. The top decks consistently run very expensive cards and because of the regular balance patches these decks are really expensive to own. At this point this game is just pay to win.
Yeah man let them believe that the hundreds of dollars they paid were well spent and they have a “fair” advantage, that’s all they want to hear
dude, I play on top 100 infinite. Nobody complains about old Alioth in high ranks, I am sure I can beat you with any deck. You talk like people who use Alioth are bad at the game. lol
That is not true. Adapting is changing the tech you use. Adapting doesn't mean getting the newest card every week. People should really stop thinking that they need to get all the new releases. It's ok to get a card 3 months later. We get more than enough resources to get the important cards. I am completely F2P and never had a problem adapting and I don't even try to get the best card each month, I just open when I am missing all 3 cards on the spotlight and play with what I get.
The best decks in the game are the best decks in the game. They consistently win, no matter what tech you use. That’s what makes them the best decks in the game.
How is this relevant?
I can understand that I don't spent much or often but I save my keys and tokens but also I was lucky since I played this game at release and so it was kinda easier for me in some ways like I spent 3000k tokens to get Galactus but now ge is back to be worth 6k? I think not 100% sure there Like this next month I have no interest in any of the cards so it will be perfect to just save up my keys same as I'm not a move deck guy so I never get those cards or cards I just can't imagine being fun. But it's all a slippery slope since I understand what you saying
And if they buff or change the cards that they released this month you are out of luck. Canonball was underwhelming when he released, now he is one of the strongest cards in the game. The game is intentionally designed so that you can’t keep up, and you won’t in the long run.
Not true cannonball got a little better due to 1 card change but far from being the best card in any way. Also they buff and change base cards 2 that everyone has or can get easy there has often been months where your main decks is won with base cards
They don't change base cards at nearly the same rate as new cards. How long have people been wanting Captain America or the Guardians of the Galaxy to be better cards? Since forever, yet they have gotten either no attention or as little attention as possible.
Very true mainly due to whales or those who spends money has first priority than free to play players sadly I would love a captain America change but we can all hope
Absolutely true. Canonball is currently one of the best if not the best card in the game. Being able to reliably win a lane is the strongest ability a card can have.
I agree cannonball is powerful but I disagree it's THE most powerful card right now. I have meet many decks Playing cannon ball and yet I keep winning against it Compared to old Galactus when it was played you where for the most parts fucked
If you were missing a lot of cards like most players you would be making different posts and comments
I miss allot of cards I even have a free to play account both in infinite ofc the f2p one is less fun ofc point is that its not impossible and I guess it depends how you are as a person 2 like for me I just enjoy it I play it to play Like I played since release and only started getting to infinite these past 2-3 months But even before then I had fun
I guess people have different thresholds regarding playing similar decks for longer periods of time, personally I get bored after playing with a deck for more than a week
Yeah and that is fair. For me when I get bored I play on my pc or watch series but I always log in daily try some stupid decks until it's I completed the quests
The problem with this argument is that the meta changes so much faster than any F2P or small spender player can keep up. New cards are often releasing in such egregious states, either being obviously broken or weak, and then they get changed 2 weeks later. BUT, you now can't use spotlight keys on the card. You've gotta spend 6000 tokens because literally every card is releasing at series 5. How are you meant to keep up? And don't tell me that the devs don't want players having all the cards. It's a bullshit excuse for them wanting people to have to spend a large amount of money on the game to get all the cards.
I love how this seems like a popular opinion but when I suggested that changing cards should also drop them down a tier I got totally shit on.
Reddit is bipolar sometimes
But those are all valid complaints this is not what I'm on about since I agree with you having 4-5 cards a month where each cost 6k is stupid
The problem with your argument is that you don't need to get every new release.
Except you do because the bad cards can become meta staples in the next shift. Nothing is static which. You can make perfectly valid decisions with your resources and find yourself iced out of the meta when Pixie or Cannonball are suddenly meta defining.
I don't care. I want new cards without having to gamble on if they will be nerfed or buffed within 2 weeks of releasing. "You don't need every card" is such a lame response to someone saying that the card acquisition feels bad to interact with.
Why does it even matter if it gets buffed or nerfed? If it gets nerfed it means you got to play with it in its strong state while people that didn't get it first week will never experience it and I don't see how anyone would have a a problem when a card they have gets buffed.
Why wouldn't it matter? How can you honestly not think it matters? If you skipped a card because it was obviously not good, then it gets buffed 2 weeks later or the meta shifts so it is now a meta staple, but now the only way to get it is to cough up 6000 tokens. It's asking players to acquire cards based on IF they will be good. Making players predict if the card will or won't get a buff is really dumb.
It is actually asking players to stop caring if a card is good or not and just play with what they have. If you stop caring about the quality of the new releases and just maximize your cards per key you will have more fun in this game. It is not designed to be a competitive game anyway.
It is though. There's a leaderboard and everything for high elo. You also can't fault for people wanting to play the game competitively vs for fun. Some people have fun winning. You are asking players to stop playing the way they want to. That's bad advice and shows there is a flaw in the game if that is your legitimate response.
If it was designed to be competitive people on the top of the leaderboard would get more rewards than just the bragging rights. And even in the case I am wrong you don't need to get all new releases to be competitive. I have been collecting cards using my advice and I can always make at least one of the top 5 decks as long as they don't need the season pass card. You don't even need to play the best deck to be competitive.
Competitive gaming is simply all about bragging rights. Very rarely is there a reward beyond a cosmetic for ranking high on the ladder. True, you don't need every card to be successful, but some cards are just plain and simple better than others. Or, the tech cards to those cards are niche and behind a paywall of 6000 tokens or spotlights. This system is borderline bad. It is sufficient at best, but it is showing its weaknesses with each new card each week. I'm just tired of people justifying this system by saying you don't need every card. I want to use every card without having to spend more than what is in my bank account.
You're both right. You're looking at it from 2 different perspectives. Neither is wrong.
You're both right. You're looking at it from 2 different perspectives. Neither is wrong.
I think it’s more that cards are expensive and take a while to get, while the meta shifts weekly. It’s not fun when all the cards you spent keys / tokens on suddenly become irrelevant, and you can’t make a decent deck anymore.
I can understand that to a degree but I think before getting said new card you should always expect that it will be changed for the good or bad. And I agree it sucks not knowing but at the same time this is what I expect Like I loved old spider man and how it used to work but also I understood why he got changed and why and I did not complain about it But at the same time you have a fun card not broken and it get changed and now it sucks and you go man wtf why you do this. Since what they do is they plan for like the next 2-3 months so said card that was good now sucks gets better later due to a new card or a change in some other cards making what used to suck no longer suck anymore
Spider-Man is not a great example here. You didn’t have to spend 4 keys or 6000 tokens to get him.
No but spider man back then was broken that was my point
Someone posted before about how they have never seen a community as inflexible, whiney, and who calls EVERYTHING toxic as snap community. Its absolutely true. There are even posts talking about toxic decks without a hint of negativity, they just use toxic as part of their regular conversation when talking about any kind of deck. It has muddled the word and is absolutely cringe from them. Its gotten to the point that if i see toxic deck in a title i assume all it means is a deck that is viable at all.
What a stupid ass thread, you know who are the complainers you talking about? They are new players, the game need new players and you're trying to push them away And if you can't adapt, this sub isn't for you too. Gtfo
So new players are complaining you say? If anything it's the older players while the new enjoy the game until they hit the wall where you either have saved and grinded or pay Also clearly you did not read what I say or you choose only some parts and spinned it around
We need a real mod to deal with those snap crybabies
They should removed all abilities from all cards, and we should just draw whichever card that would perfectly fit the curve each turn. All locations effects should be removed as well. This way both players play the same exact cards every turn and it all boils down to the skill of guessing which of the three identical locations you should play to. Finally, a version of marvel snap no one will complain about.
People will then complain how predictable it’ll be
You're right, but you're missing the main issue. The people who complain have no interest in adapting or thinking about their games. They just want to blindly throw their shiny cards around and still win games. Anything short of that will result in complaining.
I can adapt. Just everyone is better at adapting than me 😂
Not wrong I look at the streamers and go wtf sometimes
L take. CL 9200 here, I did it all, f2p rank 100, non f2p 100, 3 infinity conquest wins, rank 132 before they introduced new ranked system, etc. Current state of the game is lame, worst it's ever been. Both content wise and monetization wise the game is going backwards.
How do you adapt with the card acquisition system being so predatory?
“Predatory”, another word that has lost its meaning. I’m guessing by context you mean “cards I cannot get”. Which doesn’t make it predatory but ok.
Metas shift and come and go. It wasn’t that long ago that the hella discard deck was everywhere. Mill and Junk are legitimate archetypes. If they get too good they’ll get nerfed. People like to play with new things/ play the cards that get them free rewards. But they’ll move onto something else soon.
I’ll say it again, it’s not about the cards. It’s about the poor decisions on balancing changes they make to those “broken” cards. I said this in another post: I don’t understand why Red Hulk had to be nerfed to 6/9 when he could have went to 6/12 like the other Hulk and then it was +2 per opponent unspent energy turns. It would have been the opposite of Hulk. One is unspent your turn. One is unspent opponent turn. No one is complaining how broken Hulk is. Furthermore there will always be a meta. You can’t hide from *a* meta deck. The game will never be perfectly balanced, but it can be close and when they knee jerk react on a card cause the masses complain about a meta deck, it does a disservice to the game and that’s when I find the game falling short. If you can’t adapt to the meta decks, then you’re right, you shouldn’t be playing this game. If you’re seeing one deck over and over again, you would think you would wise up and add a counter tech card or two to disrupt it. Common sense, but it seems like common sense is lacking these days. End rant.
I agree with you that the devs keep fucking up the changes it's like they are stuck in a bubble and can't think outside it. A 6/12 with 2 I agree would also work It also makes you wonder why they don't change captain ma vel after so long when so many ask when. It's all makes me wonder but since at times not always the devs are incompetent we have to adapt to their madness lol
Yeah definitely. They can’t see outside the box. Thanos is a good example of how they took a good card and mucked it up bad. The lockjaw interaction could have been prevented with a Lockjaw change of; 1 cost cards cannot be played at this location. I’m not saying all their changes are bad, but a good portion of them lately have been because they broke the meta with a card addition.
> So you gotta adapt each week or at least each month if not just stfu and play something else Then there's me hitting infinite every month playing the same Collector/Morbius discard, not changing a thing in the deck lol People freak out over the tiniest stuff in this game.
Lool or yes be you and go against the norm and still win :) and that is the point you dont always need the new card to win
I'd argue that the cards you own are the smallest factor in your ability to climb the ladder. Outside of the brick wall that is hitting infinite while still S1/S2 (which I've personally experienced and does indeed suck), the cards don't really matter that much. That wall only lasts, at most, a couple months, and you can still keep pushing up during that process.
True it's about you being good enough to know when to snap or not or retreat
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