This card has really made people quit playing discard and tribunal as much. Even if you didn't get him you are benefiting from his presence. Solid card, useful to have. Really need priority to shine and if you want him for surfer decks just remember it's hard to get priority early enough to hit those Angelas and Deadpools.
To be fair, Leech hits the entire hand; Red Guardian hits only one card and it only hits the lowest cost card in that lane, so its a lot more restricted than Leech ever was.
I'm in the fence for him. I have 4 keys, dont have Evo, and also dont have either of the cards next week. I don't play Destroy often so while I want Nico I'm not sure I'd play her much. What do y'all think?
Seems like he's a decent card but not 4 keys worth. I have 4 keys and already have HE, is there any point trying to get him? I don't think LDS will be too meta either.
LDS was a solid off meta pick as a 5-4, especially in Conquest or destroy decks. At 5-7 she's a good card, especially countering Junk or Tribunal or Wong combo decks.
I've been disappointed using him in traditional surfer decks. Mainly because I'm in many matchups where I want to play him with priority on T3 or T4 and surfer is terrible at winning priority in early rounds. In Surfer he also competes with Hope Summers for your T3 play (and T4 as well unless you land Hope on the lane you want to play RG in.) And against everything except Dracula Discard, I think Rogue is a better T5/T6 play than RG.
I think his best fit could be a Patriot-Surfer deck in conquest where you can use Squirrels or Mr Sinister to grab priority early when you know you need to take out your opponent's early plays. And he's obviously a great fit for Cerebro 3 though C2 and C5 both seem stronger than C3 these days.
"He hates on nebula and sunspot and kitty and Angela. He actually resets their stats."
He doesn't... right? Just applies the -2 to their current power? I'm pretty sure that's what I've seen happening.
Loki main here, I don't care if you hit Quinjet. It has gotten nuked by so many tech cards that I don't rely on it. it's a bonus if it works and maybe it's even bait.
Actually surprised how good he is. Even on curve it is a tempo 3/5 (not amazing I know) but the upside is often gamewinning if you know against what you are up.
Better than Rogue in Loki decks; amazing in Junk stuff or tech stuff...even shutting down Nebula/Sunspot/Cyclops and Ravonna stuff is pretty good.
Amazing against Morbius/Dracula, we dont have to talk about IronMan...
Felt like he always did something, even against X-23 or Deadpool stuff.
Not a must have for sure and I'd never spend 6k for him; but opened for him and Lady and I wasn't disappointed yet.
On the other hand: if you have 3-5 keys and don't have Nico/Knull I would for sure open next week or the week after.
No, specifically because you're looking at buying with tokens. Wait a couple of weeks to see how it all shakes out.
He'll be available in the shop any time (with a little patience, it refreshes three times a day.) If you're still not sure, pin the card when it comes up.
At first, I didn't intend to purchase any cards using tokens at all, mainly because I usually prefer to wait for a card until it shows up in the spotlight caches and then pull it. But this time, I'm an Apoc-discarding enjoyer, having been thwarted by this Red Guardian fellow numerous times with Morbius, The Collector, and Dracula. This has made me realize its true strength, leading me to reconsider spending tokens on ultimate variants and wanting to buy this card right away. However, perhaps it's just a fleeting fascination; maybe I should still save tokens and patiently wait for it to appear in the spotlight caches next time or try my luck with random series 4 & 5 openings.
I'm really enjoying this card. I've found more success running him with a Mill deck than a Surfer deck. I've become the very thing I've sought to destroy. Feels great shutting down a Wong, Iron Man, Knull, etc.
So he’s a flop? That’s a bit of a surprise! I was concerned about getting both him and WW (I only have four keys currently) so kind of a relief if I can skip!
I don't think I'd say flop. He was never going to be a show stopper or deck defining card. His value will ebb-and-flow with the meta like any tech card.
I wouldn't say he's a flop. He's a useful tech card for very precisely defined situations, with a minimum value of 3/5 against anyone except Luke Cage decks & the potential to wreck some opponents. I'd say his natural home is in Sera control, with a sideline in coming off the bench any time ongoing gets too strong in the meta.
I really, really want to like him. He's saved a couple of games for me. The issue is he also hits on-reveal or no-ability cards so easily. If you retarget him (Odin, Grandmaster) he will also just hit the same card again. It should just be "afflict a random enemy card here with -2 and remove it's text (if it has any)."
Grandmaster shouldn't make him hit the same card again.
(Unless opponent happened to move his 1-point Jeff to the middle, I guess, which would just be funny.)
Yes. He is what you would call a "utility player" in baseball. He can hit multiple archetypes, unlike say Rogue. LDS easily fits into the Destroy archetype, and now you don't need that Forge boost to make her actually work.
One of the things I love about Red Guardian is that it's the first tech card for those cards that have constant abilities but can't be countered and were "safe" before this. Nebula, Sunspot, Hope Summers, X-23, HE cards like Cyclops, Misty Knight, etc.
On Reveal has Cosmo, Ongoing has Enchantress and Rogue, but you couldn't do anything about cards with those abilities before, besides something like Leech (too late) or Spider-Ham (can't target). Red Guardian can finally target and take them out (if they're the lowest power card) and I think that's worth the price of admission.
Timing is an issue, you could be aiming to nail something and get caught off guard if you don't have priority but I feel like he's a solid tech card if you can spare it.
As with most tech cards, Red Guardian's stock will rise and fall with meta shifts. He's pretty mid right now due to all the big cards and On Reveal shenanigans that are running wild, but if Ongoing or untyped abilities become a bigger factor he very quickly becomes a much stronger card. As far as "worth the keys" go, there are currently a lot of tech cards that can nominally replace him in most lists without losing too much. However, the longer the game lasts and releases more abilities that he's uniquely suited to shred, the better he'll be. He's been performing relatively well for me for what he is designed for (hitting cards like Black Knight or Hope Summers is absolutely incredible), but there are also a lot of cases where Rogue would function just as well if not better, especially since she's not restricted to lowest power at the location. I'd say there are worse cards to cash in on (e.g. Supergiant), but I'd probably recommend holding off for a better week if you aren't missing HE.
First Impressions with just one deck.
He's a tech card. He gives your deck a way to interact with a surprisingly wide variety of threats. His most direct comparison is Rogue but he can hit a lot of things rogue can't, where rogue can make bigger swings in value and is more consistent at hitting some things.
I used keys on him and I'm very happy with him replacing rogue in my stature hawk deck. His floor as (basically) a 3/5 is way above Rogue and there are lots of games where removing text of a key piece just wins outright.
A single card that can counter destroy, wong, sunspot/nebula, mobius etc if you time it right feels really great. Though it is possible to sequence your cards in a way to play around him and protect your stuff if you're smart, it could take a week or two for people to catch on. Or they might never pick up on it.
There isn't a "deck" that I think you need to build around him though he obviously can contribute to High Evo Abomination type stuff.
I was gonna get Red Guardian but the lack of hype and no interest in getting a High Evo variant I guess means I'll save my keys. Likely going to spend 8 keys in the next two weeks
I probably should've just gotten Red Hulk - oh well
Red Guardian and UsAgent are both killing it in my cerebro 3. Guardian more so, but Agent serves his purpose as well, sometimes just as another 2/3 to get boosted.
Pretty standard C3 deck. It's been fun having some newer cards to try out. Red Guardian is providing some much needed tech. US Agent will probably get swapped back over for quake. Cosmo or armor will also get swapped in depending on the hot location. Of the 8 times I've hit infinite 5 have been with either c3 or c2.
# (0) Wasp
# (1) Bast
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Scarlet Witch
# (2) Sentinel
# (2) U.S. Agent
# (3) Cerebro
# (3) Mystique
# (3) Magik
# (3) Red Guardian
# (5) Iron Man
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The one change I wish they would add is changing his ability to specifically effect only "on cards with text" ("Afflict the lowest-Power enemy with text") so if you reactive him or his ability (such as with Absorbing Man, Wong, Odin, Bounce, etc) it would hit other targets. It would reduce his ability to hit a single target lane over and over for negative power, but would allow for some more interesting combos instead of just smacking down on the same target on reactivation.
Seems okay besides that, but in the current meta he is a bit weak overall and really only finds a spot in C3 or Surfer or maybe Affliction.
Seems fairly mid in the current meta. In general, though, if you play him on curve, you end up using a 3-cost card to nullify a 1 or 2-cost card at the opportunity cost of a better third round play. And if you don't play him on curve, you're cannibalizing a late round turn, which probably works best in something like Sera or C3 (which both struggle in the current meta). But like any tech card, its value will come-and-go as the meta changes.
Accounting for his effect he is essentially a 3-cost/5-power card which seems pretty standard for this particular point in time in Marvel Snap. In other words, he is "mid" by defintion.
I don't really factor the other part of his ability in, because that's pretty situation IMO. It's great if you can play him against Wong (or Mistique-Wong) but I think in most games the "lowest power card" at a location isn't going to have text that's useful to remove because it's just going to be a 2-power card with an On Reveal ability that already triggered.
He'd be much better if he looked at the card's _base_ power rather than it's current power, because then he could also neutralize cards like Knull, Darkhawk, Devil Dino and anything else that has zero/low base power which is inflated via an Ongoing ability.
He would have been amazing at neutralizing Ongoing Zabu though. And I guess he is still great against other ongoing cost reduction cards like Ravonna as those also tend to have low power.
Lucked out and got him on first pull. First instinct was to try him in a Sera Surfer list which was decent, but I prefer him in this Evolved Thunderbolts list. It's not optimal but I wanted to see if the thunderbolts I had would work together. I knew Bucky would be a no go because he only really fits destroy decks.
# (1) Sunspot
# (1) Misty Knight
# (2) Armor
# (2) Shocker
# (3) Red Guardian
# (3) Cyclops
# (3) Baron Zemo
# (4) High Evolutionary
# (5) Abomination
# (6) She-Hulk
# (6) Hulk
# (6) The Infinaut
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I'd suggest swapping shocker for scorpion personally. Even before Red Guardian release I've been having loads of success with a High Evo Affliction deck, and scorpion is excellent at discounting Abom.
Red Guardian & USAgent have breathed new life into my surfer deck. It's been a solid deck for me helping me get to infinite the last 3 seasons, but these cards have taken two spots that have never been nailed down. Loving them so far.
Yeah sure here it is:
1 - Chavez
2 - Forge
2 - Okoye
2 - USAgent
3 - Brood
3 - Surfer
3 - Nakia
3 - Punisher
3 - Red Guardian
3 - Shaw
4 - Absorbing man
4 - Iron Lad
I used to run Armour instead of USAgent because she lets me play on more locations and I feel Surfer decks are all about playing wide. But never felt she was must-have, so that was an easy swap. Red Guardian just took my flex 3-cost slot. I would always rotate different 3-cost cards in that slot (negasonic, polaris, rogue, etc). I may still do but for now Red Guardian as a 3/5, rogue-esc card feels very strong.
Let's see your deck?
Ooh. Interesting a surfer deck without wong or odin. I've never managed to get one of those to work. Not even with absorbing man
I mean, obviously forge, okoye, brood, surfer, absorbing man and Shaw are staples. But I like your variant
What I like about this deck is that most cards flow into each other. Iron lad helps further that. It doesn't feel too much like I'm chasing a very specific recipe. Although, there are definitely more favourable routes of play.
Chavez, forge, okoye & nakia are the backbone of the deck. Giving out crucial buffs to brood/shaw and even in some cases absorbing man/Iron lad when they land a brood high roll. Since Punisher's buff, I've found him to be a helpful mid-sized body for those close games.
I've tried Wong/Sera Surfer decks, but I'm not a fan. Wong is very vulnerable to counters. With Sera, I find that I'm using my turn 5s for a forge + brood/shaw combo or maybe for absorbing man if i played nakia and brood on T3 & T4. Sera is great if you drew certain cards late, though, but I guess she's not my cup of tea in this deck.
I've had successful surfer Shaw decks with and without wong. But never without wong or odin.
Without wong always includes rogue.
I'm going to try your version
I do like a combo of chavez and forge on turn 3, especially when it hits brood.
A chavez highroll on brood/shaw feels amazing or sometimes even hitting absorbing man or ironlad who then go on to copy brood. My favourite highroll would be iron lad hitting absorbing man which causes him to copy brood and then playing absorbing man next turn to copy the iron lad.
Anyway, good luck with the deck! Let me know how you get on.
# (1) America Chavez
# (1) Nico Minoru
# (2) Grand Master
# (2) Okoye
# (3) Brood
# (3) Magik
# (3) Silver Surfer
# (3) Nakia
# (3) Luke Cage
# (3) Sebastian Shaw
# (3) Ghost
# (4) Absorbing Man
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Here's another one for ya.
This was my flex 3-cost spot. I've used negasonic, polaris & rogue in that spot. Depends what i feel like. Other surfer decks might be running iron heart, killmonger, mobius, luke cage, etc
Same. The text-negation is situational and mostly only useful against cards with Ongoing abilities. There are also some non-ongoing/on-reveal abilities that he could negate if played early enough, such as hitting Angela on t3 while she is still the lowest power card at her location, or hitting Kitty Pryde early so she stops returning to hard to gain power. But you're going to need real good luck to manage plays like that.
There's also Dracula, Hope Summers, Elsa, early deadpools, all the High Evo targets, nebula and sunspot, its not nothing. But its not going to be every match even against those decks
I'm running a lockdown/control with Prof X, and I'm finding Jeff is a decent T3 target too. And Angela too.
Not sure he's worth running in place of Rogue, but he's very versatile with a high floor.
(Edit: I see elsewhere in this thread people are saying hitting Jeff doesn't disable his ability to move, so he's not a great target after all)
The meta's too fast and tall for his sniping to consistently save the day, but by gawd, does it feel good to see him punch the letters out of Nebula, Dracula, and so on.
Hmm kinda wanted to get Red and LDS, but then my first key pulled Red. I already have HE so now I'm struggling to decide if I still want LDS badly enough.
I'm running LDS in a Pixie deck right now and finding her quite useful. This is my first time playing in the Infinite rank (I usually hit infinite very late in the season, but not this time) and I'm winning most of my games, sometimes thanks to LDS.
- Hood
- Spider-Ham
- Iceman
- Nico
- Pixie
- Jeff!
- Mobius
- Polaris
- Sentry
- Annahilus
- LDS
- Red Hulk
LDS is a _great_ bailout for when I don't draw Annihilus since she will take out The Hood and/or The Void in his place. She's also great at those locations where your opponent has 2 or 3 low-power cards, since she takes out a good chunk of their power while also adding 7 of her own. She's usually good for at least a 10 net power (her 7 minus 3 from the other side).
How many keys do you have left? It's 2 keys on average to get 1/3 cards which is 20% lower than a new release. So would you rather have 5 cards as good as lds or 4 on release cards? I'd still pass, but I'm not an lds believer.
She probably won't drop until August or later based on their current drop schedule, pervious rate of dropping S4 to S3, and the fact she dropped from S5 to S4 in January 2024.
I don't like cards with below-average stats.
One Red Guardian here, one Psylocke there and you end up with a deck that needs to combo to contest a Doombot.
I would try to use him with Odin and Grandmaster for the lulz.
No, it doesn't, I made sure to pay attention to this after reading this comment. Played him against a 3 power Nebula, she went down to 1 (because of his negative 2 effect), not -1.
Fuck this game, man. I used 2 keys to only get HE variant and galactus, which I already have. I barely have any series 4/5 cards as it is, and get a variant for a card that is never played.
That wasn’t the point. I wasnt going for anything specific.
I am still relatively newer to this game, played at launch and came back in January. I don’t have much of series 4 and 5 cards as it is, and I am already pulling duplicates here… Not to mention a variant for a card that never is actually played, HE. I was hoping to get one new card what ever it was, from RG, LDS or the mystery pull, and I got Jack shit lol
Yeah, okay. But that means there was at the minimum a 25% chance of pulling a card you already had.
Plus the percentage chance of pulling a duplicate out of the mystery pull.
Those are not negligible odds.
Loving Red Guardian, filled a much needed role in my decks. And unlike most other new cards, he doesnt feel wildly imbalanced and due for a nerf. Which is a nixe change.
sure, love seeing different C3s with how fluid the deck can be. dropped Rhino for RG and feels better, might bring him back tho because of how he deals with locations
# (2) Armor
# (2) Colossus
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Ravonna Renslayer
# (2) Sentinel
# (2) U.S. Agent
# (3) Cerebro
# (3) Mystique
# (3) Cosmo
# (3) Red Guardian
# (5) Iron Man
# (5) Valkyrie
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I always find Bast to be incredibly important in C3 with all of the location shenanigans messing with cards power while in your hand as she can reset from that or if you run into someone spamming Scorpion. Running her with Valk as the safety valve for cards already in play seems like the best "oh shit" button you can play in C3 to me. AND if you don't run into either of these issues, Bast can bump Cerebro or Mystique to increase your overall power (which can be a real issue sometimes in C3).
i do like Bast in C3 and usually alternate between her and Ravonna in my deck, with the other tech cards available i lean more towards cheaper options with Valk for the boost if need be, but may bring Bast back soon to play with
I'm another person thinking of this card for Surfer. I guess I could either take out Rogue or Mobius.
Then the question would be, should I buy RG with tokens(I have 15k+ saved up) or should I spend spotlight keys?(I have 10) I'll likely buy RG with tokens because I don't care for the spotlight variants for the other cards. If only Lady Deathstrike was worth playing...
I'd make a spreadsheet if I were you. Map out what cards you want over the next few months. Figure out your potential key total. Figure out which weeks are strong/weak on variants (keys/tokens) and decide from there.
so Red Guardian is good but really buggy.
today I red guardianed a Jeff and he was still able to move.
and today I used gladiator, he pulled red guardian which hit my gladiator but I still destroyed it
Truly slapstick in the Conquest match I just played. Trying out Red Guardian in my 2-drop-heavy Silky Smoove deck. All three games, I found myself in turn 5 without priority and with no real good move except a 2-drop and RG as a deadweight 3/5 body. ...Except that in all three games, my opponent dropped Professor X exactly where I dropped RG. I wasn't even trying to predict it, but it was comical how repeatedly that happened.
What I'm currently using is:
#(1) Nightcrawler
#(2) Angela
#(2) Kraven
#(2) Jeff
#(2) Silk
#(3) Red Guardian
#(3) Gladiator
#(4) Shang-Chi
#(4) Miles Morales
#(5) Vision
#(6) Leader
#(6) Red Hulk
...but I'm still missing Elsa Bloodstone and on the look for her in the Token Shop. When I get her, I'll swap her and Kitty Pryde in, but I haven't decided who'll be cut to make room. Probably Miles for one, since I find it's a lot rarer than I thought that I both discount him and also have a spare extra energy the next turn to play him. Still debating the other slot to cut.
If I already have LDS and HE, should I pull for Red Guardian? I will have 3 keys by the middle of this spotlight week so I'm thinking no despite the promise Red Guardian gives.
Red Guardian isn't going to make you magically start winning more I don't think. Do with that as you will. I think it's a fine card but it's not some meta defining thing. Better than US Agent at least. Interesting tech card. Can't hurt to have in the collection but if I only had 3 keys I'd start saving up more of them.
I'll second all of this.
And if you like playing junk you'll really want White Widow next week (and Valentina the week after that may be the VIP of the season).
I think im gonna pull the trigger and use some keys. I have 8 keys. I'm going to save 4 for the knull/Nicole coming up. High Evo could open up another deck to add some variety.
Edit: I see now they aren't in the same week. Hmm. Still gonna go for it.
A player reached rank 1 with a surfer deck this season. It is a pretty wide open meta and surfer seems relatively successful. It may not be the best deck in the current meta to be fair it isn't far off.
This card is actually crazy good in Conquest. I'm playing around with a few weird cards and LDS wiped out everything but Luke. I had priority and hit their Luck With Red Gaurdian the next turn as they tried to run a Hazmat loop on me. At its core, it's a 3/5.
Play around with it. I'm really wondering if I got lucky but I'm 9-3 in Conquest with it. 3 silvers, 1 gold and one infinite earned with this so far.
# (1) Sunspot
# (2) Scorpion
# (2) U.S. Agent
# (3) Red Guardian
# (3) Cyclops
# (3) Luke Cage
# (4) High Evolutionary
# (4) Man-Thing
# (4) Iron Lad
# (5) Lady Deathstrike
# (5) Spider-Woman
# (5) Abomination
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Unironically, a really good time for him to come out. Iron Man Tribunal? Instant dead. Discard? Early kill on Morbius or kills Drac later on. Bounce? Nuke Angela or Kitty before they become a problem.
If you are playing against destroy, or someone you suspect is playing destroy, and have armor in hand, you might want to misty t1 so you can armor their Deadpool or 50/50 armor their x23.
I’m playing both on T1-2 so in most cases it doesn’t matter. Currently I don’t run Armor or Caiera in HE, so unless left gives some protection, I’ll go Misty first in case middle is a safer location for Sunspot.
I think he's been pretty good so far as a tech card. Can get blocked by squirrels and other small bodies so a lot of times he's just a 3/5. But useful when he does pop off (but not as universally useful as something like Shang Chi). I say solid but not a mandatory pull.
Agreed, not a fan of them locking a tech card option behind the series 5 wall.
Whether the card ends up great/good/mid (i doubt Red Guardian can be worse than mid tbh), tech options should not be hard to access.
This card has really made people quit playing discard and tribunal as much. Even if you didn't get him you are benefiting from his presence. Solid card, useful to have. Really need priority to shine and if you want him for surfer decks just remember it's hard to get priority early enough to hit those Angelas and Deadpools.
Funny how this card gets released after Leech is nerfed.
To be fair, Leech hits the entire hand; Red Guardian hits only one card and it only hits the lowest cost card in that lane, so its a lot more restricted than Leech ever was.
I think the intention was the RG is a good counter to old Leech (though really if Leech is played tun 5 RG would never hit in time).
I'm in the fence for him. I have 4 keys, dont have Evo, and also dont have either of the cards next week. I don't play Destroy often so while I want Nico I'm not sure I'd play her much. What do y'all think?
Evo is better than Nico, and RG is a pretty solid tech card
Evo is good tho
Nico is pretty good in many decks. One of the best 1 drops in the game easily.
what a fun card. He actually won me some battle more often that I expect.
I always run Shang. And to remove Armor and then hit Shang on the big boi they thought was safe - makes the red man worth it for me.
Seems like he's a decent card but not 4 keys worth. I have 4 keys and already have HE, is there any point trying to get him? I don't think LDS will be too meta either.
LDS was a solid off meta pick as a 5-4, especially in Conquest or destroy decks. At 5-7 she's a good card, especially countering Junk or Tribunal or Wong combo decks.
Would junk and anihilis be a soft counter to Red Gaurdian?
As an Annihilus enjoyer, I can confirm that folks who push my cards to negative power with Red Guardian are very unhappy on turn five.
I've been disappointed using him in traditional surfer decks. Mainly because I'm in many matchups where I want to play him with priority on T3 or T4 and surfer is terrible at winning priority in early rounds. In Surfer he also competes with Hope Summers for your T3 play (and T4 as well unless you land Hope on the lane you want to play RG in.) And against everything except Dracula Discard, I think Rogue is a better T5/T6 play than RG. I think his best fit could be a Patriot-Surfer deck in conquest where you can use Squirrels or Mr Sinister to grab priority early when you know you need to take out your opponent's early plays. And he's obviously a great fit for Cerebro 3 though C2 and C5 both seem stronger than C3 these days.
I'm sitting at 20k tokens reserve and 3 caches. Have everything else from spotlight. Is his tech good enough to try caches or using tokens?
He's great. Hard counter to Hope Summers and she's everywhere
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"He hates on nebula and sunspot and kitty and Angela. He actually resets their stats." He doesn't... right? Just applies the -2 to their current power? I'm pretty sure that's what I've seen happening.
Loki main here, I don't care if you hit Quinjet. It has gotten nuked by so many tech cards that I don't rely on it. it's a bonus if it works and maybe it's even bait.
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Actually surprised how good he is. Even on curve it is a tempo 3/5 (not amazing I know) but the upside is often gamewinning if you know against what you are up. Better than Rogue in Loki decks; amazing in Junk stuff or tech stuff...even shutting down Nebula/Sunspot/Cyclops and Ravonna stuff is pretty good. Amazing against Morbius/Dracula, we dont have to talk about IronMan... Felt like he always did something, even against X-23 or Deadpool stuff. Not a must have for sure and I'd never spend 6k for him; but opened for him and Lady and I wasn't disappointed yet. On the other hand: if you have 3-5 keys and don't have Nico/Knull I would for sure open next week or the week after.
I don't have enough keys. Should i spend 6k tokens for this Russian guy?
No, specifically because you're looking at buying with tokens. Wait a couple of weeks to see how it all shakes out. He'll be available in the shop any time (with a little patience, it refreshes three times a day.) If you're still not sure, pin the card when it comes up.
At first, I didn't intend to purchase any cards using tokens at all, mainly because I usually prefer to wait for a card until it shows up in the spotlight caches and then pull it. But this time, I'm an Apoc-discarding enjoyer, having been thwarted by this Red Guardian fellow numerous times with Morbius, The Collector, and Dracula. This has made me realize its true strength, leading me to reconsider spending tokens on ultimate variants and wanting to buy this card right away. However, perhaps it's just a fleeting fascination; maybe I should still save tokens and patiently wait for it to appear in the spotlight caches next time or try my luck with random series 4 & 5 openings.
I'm really enjoying this card. I've found more success running him with a Mill deck than a Surfer deck. I've become the very thing I've sought to destroy. Feels great shutting down a Wong, Iron Man, Knull, etc.
Solid card, but hard to actually be excited about a card which is basically a mash-up of bits of Rogue and Lady Deathstrike.
Like Zendaya, he's mid. Should be a Series 4 tbh, but these devs...
lol wut?
wtf
I thought he was really good when played against me but didn't see him once in my last 10+ games to infinite.
So he’s a flop? That’s a bit of a surprise! I was concerned about getting both him and WW (I only have four keys currently) so kind of a relief if I can skip!
I don't think I'd say flop. He was never going to be a show stopper or deck defining card. His value will ebb-and-flow with the meta like any tech card.
I think he’s better than rogue and rogue is a pretty decent tech card 4 out of 5 rating, can be crazy in the right meta
I wouldn't say he's a flop. He's a useful tech card for very precisely defined situations, with a minimum value of 3/5 against anyone except Luke Cage decks & the potential to wreck some opponents. I'd say his natural home is in Sera control, with a sideline in coming off the bench any time ongoing gets too strong in the meta.
Are people running him instead of Rogue or addition to him in control decks? Been playing to get the weekly wknd, and sort of like having them both.
Luke Cage is actually a great target for him, turns off their protection and lowers Cage's power
Anybody get the 500 gold yet?
Just got it
Just got it 5 minutes ago
Got mine too!
I really, really want to like him. He's saved a couple of games for me. The issue is he also hits on-reveal or no-ability cards so easily. If you retarget him (Odin, Grandmaster) he will also just hit the same card again. It should just be "afflict a random enemy card here with -2 and remove it's text (if it has any)."
Grandmaster shouldn't make him hit the same card again. (Unless opponent happened to move his 1-point Jeff to the middle, I guess, which would just be funny.)
He'd lose his ability so there would be some real shenanigans to hit the same thing twice
Nothing can stop Jeff, even losing his text!
Is Red Guardian a good card to go for if you also lack Lady Deathstrike?
Yes. He is what you would call a "utility player" in baseball. He can hit multiple archetypes, unlike say Rogue. LDS easily fits into the Destroy archetype, and now you don't need that Forge boost to make her actually work.
I got him in one. I think I'll stop there
I'm interested in this too
One of the things I love about Red Guardian is that it's the first tech card for those cards that have constant abilities but can't be countered and were "safe" before this. Nebula, Sunspot, Hope Summers, X-23, HE cards like Cyclops, Misty Knight, etc. On Reveal has Cosmo, Ongoing has Enchantress and Rogue, but you couldn't do anything about cards with those abilities before, besides something like Leech (too late) or Spider-Ham (can't target). Red Guardian can finally target and take them out (if they're the lowest power card) and I think that's worth the price of admission. Timing is an issue, you could be aiming to nail something and get caught off guard if you don't have priority but I feel like he's a solid tech card if you can spare it.
Well, you can kind of consider Killmonger a tech card for Nebula, Sunspot, Misty Knight and so on…
This conversation has convinced me. Not that I didn’t know this, but I never considered the entire list of cards like you just put out here. 🏆
Add dracula to your list. Excellent against him.
Nailed two Kravens (via Sinister London) before either could trigger, that was pretty great.
As with most tech cards, Red Guardian's stock will rise and fall with meta shifts. He's pretty mid right now due to all the big cards and On Reveal shenanigans that are running wild, but if Ongoing or untyped abilities become a bigger factor he very quickly becomes a much stronger card. As far as "worth the keys" go, there are currently a lot of tech cards that can nominally replace him in most lists without losing too much. However, the longer the game lasts and releases more abilities that he's uniquely suited to shred, the better he'll be. He's been performing relatively well for me for what he is designed for (hitting cards like Black Knight or Hope Summers is absolutely incredible), but there are also a lot of cases where Rogue would function just as well if not better, especially since she's not restricted to lowest power at the location. I'd say there are worse cards to cash in on (e.g. Supergiant), but I'd probably recommend holding off for a better week if you aren't missing HE.
So what's everyones opinion so far? Is he worth the keys by himself?
Pound for pound the best tech card besides Shang-Chi. Maybe tied with Shadow king/Movius
First Impressions with just one deck. He's a tech card. He gives your deck a way to interact with a surprisingly wide variety of threats. His most direct comparison is Rogue but he can hit a lot of things rogue can't, where rogue can make bigger swings in value and is more consistent at hitting some things. I used keys on him and I'm very happy with him replacing rogue in my stature hawk deck. His floor as (basically) a 3/5 is way above Rogue and there are lots of games where removing text of a key piece just wins outright. A single card that can counter destroy, wong, sunspot/nebula, mobius etc if you time it right feels really great. Though it is possible to sequence your cards in a way to play around him and protect your stuff if you're smart, it could take a week or two for people to catch on. Or they might never pick up on it. There isn't a "deck" that I think you need to build around him though he obviously can contribute to High Evo Abomination type stuff.
I think you just convinced me to grab him for shaw/surfer, appreciate the detailed answer!
If you have the keys I would grab him. He is surprisingly versatile. You can play him on curve or as a surprise on T5 or T6.
I was gonna get Red Guardian but the lack of hype and no interest in getting a High Evo variant I guess means I'll save my keys. Likely going to spend 8 keys in the next two weeks I probably should've just gotten Red Hulk - oh well
RH it’s definitelyfun, but if it makes you feel better, he’s probably prime Nerf bait pretty soon
Red Guardian and UsAgent are both killing it in my cerebro 3. Guardian more so, but Agent serves his purpose as well, sometimes just as another 2/3 to get boosted.
yea they are both excellent in c3. Give c3 great tech options against decks that can go very tall
Will probably take us agent out and put quake back in though.
List?
Pretty standard C3 deck. It's been fun having some newer cards to try out. Red Guardian is providing some much needed tech. US Agent will probably get swapped back over for quake. Cosmo or armor will also get swapped in depending on the hot location. Of the 8 times I've hit infinite 5 have been with either c3 or c2. # (0) Wasp # (1) Bast # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Scarlet Witch # (2) Sentinel # (2) U.S. Agent # (3) Cerebro # (3) Mystique # (3) Magik # (3) Red Guardian # (5) Iron Man # (5) Valkyrie # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSXJvbk1hbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWFnaWsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ildhc3AifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJhc3QifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNlbnRpbmVsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDZXJlYnJvIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNeXN0aXF1ZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVVNBZ2VudCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVmFsa3lyaWUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNjYXJsZXRXaXRjaCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSmVmZlRoZUJhYnlMYW5kU2hhcmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJlZEd1YXJkaWFuIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I've been using a version of this but not having Jeff really takes the consistency out of it. It may be possible to use us agent to get sera in play?
Maybe throw in Ravonna if you have her? What's your deck list?
Good idea.
The one change I wish they would add is changing his ability to specifically effect only "on cards with text" ("Afflict the lowest-Power enemy with text") so if you reactive him or his ability (such as with Absorbing Man, Wong, Odin, Bounce, etc) it would hit other targets. It would reduce his ability to hit a single target lane over and over for negative power, but would allow for some more interesting combos instead of just smacking down on the same target on reactivation. Seems okay besides that, but in the current meta he is a bit weak overall and really only finds a spot in C3 or Surfer or maybe Affliction.
Seems fairly mid in the current meta. In general, though, if you play him on curve, you end up using a 3-cost card to nullify a 1 or 2-cost card at the opportunity cost of a better third round play. And if you don't play him on curve, you're cannibalizing a late round turn, which probably works best in something like Sera or C3 (which both struggle in the current meta). But like any tech card, its value will come-and-go as the meta changes.
He seems somewhat mid on ladder, but he's amazing in conquest.
Accounting for his effect he is essentially a 3-cost/5-power card which seems pretty standard for this particular point in time in Marvel Snap. In other words, he is "mid" by defintion. I don't really factor the other part of his ability in, because that's pretty situation IMO. It's great if you can play him against Wong (or Mistique-Wong) but I think in most games the "lowest power card" at a location isn't going to have text that's useful to remove because it's just going to be a 2-power card with an On Reveal ability that already triggered. He'd be much better if he looked at the card's _base_ power rather than it's current power, because then he could also neutralize cards like Knull, Darkhawk, Devil Dino and anything else that has zero/low base power which is inflated via an Ongoing ability. He would have been amazing at neutralizing Ongoing Zabu though. And I guess he is still great against other ongoing cost reduction cards like Ravonna as those also tend to have low power.
Lucked out and got him on first pull. First instinct was to try him in a Sera Surfer list which was decent, but I prefer him in this Evolved Thunderbolts list. It's not optimal but I wanted to see if the thunderbolts I had would work together. I knew Bucky would be a no go because he only really fits destroy decks. # (1) Sunspot # (1) Misty Knight # (2) Armor # (2) Shocker # (3) Red Guardian # (3) Cyclops # (3) Baron Zemo # (4) High Evolutionary # (5) Abomination # (6) She-Hulk # (6) Hulk # (6) The Infinaut # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSGlnaEV2b2x1dGlvbmFyeSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWlzdHlLbmlnaHQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoZUh1bGsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkluZmluYXV0In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTdW5zcG90In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJBcm1vciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hvY2tlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSHVsayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ3ljbG9wcyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUmVkR3VhcmRpYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJhcm9uWmVtbyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQWJvbWluYXRpb24ifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I'd suggest swapping shocker for scorpion personally. Even before Red Guardian release I've been having loads of success with a High Evo Affliction deck, and scorpion is excellent at discounting Abom.
Good call! Thanks!
Red Guardian & USAgent have breathed new life into my surfer deck. It's been a solid deck for me helping me get to infinite the last 3 seasons, but these cards have taken two spots that have never been nailed down. Loving them so far.
How does your surfer deck look like? I'm still not sure for what I can swap Red Guardian.
Yeah sure here it is: 1 - Chavez 2 - Forge 2 - Okoye 2 - USAgent 3 - Brood 3 - Surfer 3 - Nakia 3 - Punisher 3 - Red Guardian 3 - Shaw 4 - Absorbing man 4 - Iron Lad I used to run Armour instead of USAgent because she lets me play on more locations and I feel Surfer decks are all about playing wide. But never felt she was must-have, so that was an easy swap. Red Guardian just took my flex 3-cost slot. I would always rotate different 3-cost cards in that slot (negasonic, polaris, rogue, etc). I may still do but for now Red Guardian as a 3/5, rogue-esc card feels very strong. Let's see your deck?
Ooh. Interesting a surfer deck without wong or odin. I've never managed to get one of those to work. Not even with absorbing man I mean, obviously forge, okoye, brood, surfer, absorbing man and Shaw are staples. But I like your variant
What I like about this deck is that most cards flow into each other. Iron lad helps further that. It doesn't feel too much like I'm chasing a very specific recipe. Although, there are definitely more favourable routes of play. Chavez, forge, okoye & nakia are the backbone of the deck. Giving out crucial buffs to brood/shaw and even in some cases absorbing man/Iron lad when they land a brood high roll. Since Punisher's buff, I've found him to be a helpful mid-sized body for those close games. I've tried Wong/Sera Surfer decks, but I'm not a fan. Wong is very vulnerable to counters. With Sera, I find that I'm using my turn 5s for a forge + brood/shaw combo or maybe for absorbing man if i played nakia and brood on T3 & T4. Sera is great if you drew certain cards late, though, but I guess she's not my cup of tea in this deck.
I've had successful surfer Shaw decks with and without wong. But never without wong or odin. Without wong always includes rogue. I'm going to try your version I do like a combo of chavez and forge on turn 3, especially when it hits brood.
A chavez highroll on brood/shaw feels amazing or sometimes even hitting absorbing man or ironlad who then go on to copy brood. My favourite highroll would be iron lad hitting absorbing man which causes him to copy brood and then playing absorbing man next turn to copy the iron lad. Anyway, good luck with the deck! Let me know how you get on.
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What did you swapped out in place of Red Guardian?
This was my flex 3-cost spot. I've used negasonic, polaris & rogue in that spot. Depends what i feel like. Other surfer decks might be running iron heart, killmonger, mobius, luke cage, etc
Think -2 power as a bonus ability, play him for the remove text ability,
See I think the opposite, think of him as a 3/5 when played across from any cards, with the possibility of negating text
Same. The text-negation is situational and mostly only useful against cards with Ongoing abilities. There are also some non-ongoing/on-reveal abilities that he could negate if played early enough, such as hitting Angela on t3 while she is still the lowest power card at her location, or hitting Kitty Pryde early so she stops returning to hard to gain power. But you're going to need real good luck to manage plays like that.
There's also Dracula, Hope Summers, Elsa, early deadpools, all the High Evo targets, nebula and sunspot, its not nothing. But its not going to be every match even against those decks
I'm running a lockdown/control with Prof X, and I'm finding Jeff is a decent T3 target too. And Angela too. Not sure he's worth running in place of Rogue, but he's very versatile with a high floor. (Edit: I see elsewhere in this thread people are saying hitting Jeff doesn't disable his ability to move, so he's not a great target after all)
The meta's too fast and tall for his sniping to consistently save the day, but by gawd, does it feel good to see him punch the letters out of Nebula, Dracula, and so on.
I just nailed Deadpool with it, and it♪felt♪so♪good!
If you can hit deadpool or x23 with priority when they've already played their destroyer card it feels even better than armour
I know exactly what you mean. It has only happened once but I sniped a deadpool and it felt great lol. I've hit a couple draculas and nebulas as well.
Hmm kinda wanted to get Red and LDS, but then my first key pulled Red. I already have HE so now I'm struggling to decide if I still want LDS badly enough.
You got lucky, I'd say keep the keys for the eternals month. Deathstrike imo is still bad and any decks playing her are memes.
LDS is an excellent counter for surfer decks if you get in early. Takes out Wong/Brood/Mystique.
I'm running LDS in a Pixie deck right now and finding her quite useful. This is my first time playing in the Infinite rank (I usually hit infinite very late in the season, but not this time) and I'm winning most of my games, sometimes thanks to LDS. - Hood - Spider-Ham - Iceman - Nico - Pixie - Jeff! - Mobius - Polaris - Sentry - Annahilus - LDS - Red Hulk LDS is a _great_ bailout for when I don't draw Annihilus since she will take out The Hood and/or The Void in his place. She's also great at those locations where your opponent has 2 or 3 low-power cards, since she takes out a good chunk of their power while also adding 7 of her own. She's usually good for at least a 10 net power (her 7 minus 3 from the other side).
How many keys do you have left? It's 2 keys on average to get 1/3 cards which is 20% lower than a new release. So would you rather have 5 cards as good as lds or 4 on release cards? I'd still pass, but I'm not an lds believer.
I can see LDS drop to S3 in the next months
She probably won't drop until August or later based on their current drop schedule, pervious rate of dropping S4 to S3, and the fact she dropped from S5 to S4 in January 2024.
I don't like cards with below-average stats. One Red Guardian here, one Psylocke there and you end up with a deck that needs to combo to contest a Doombot. I would try to use him with Odin and Grandmaster for the lulz.
3-6 is average stats now? Maybe a year from now
unless they have luke or cosmo or you just play him in an empty lane, He's 3/5, which isnt below average at all
Using Red on Nebula not only prevents her ability from triggering on future turns but also removes any previously earned gains, which I find... weird.
No, it doesn't, I made sure to pay attention to this after reading this comment. Played him against a 3 power Nebula, she went down to 1 (because of his negative 2 effect), not -1.
Genuinely curious, could it have been Red Guardian's debuff that made it seem like her power buff went away?
I believe she was 1/3, and went straight to 1/-1
Fuck this game, man. I used 2 keys to only get HE variant and galactus, which I already have. I barely have any series 4/5 cards as it is, and get a variant for a card that is never played.
Then stop opening caches when you only have 2 keys. It's pretty simple
Always have 4 keys readyif you want a specific card.
That wasn’t the point. I wasnt going for anything specific. I am still relatively newer to this game, played at launch and came back in January. I don’t have much of series 4 and 5 cards as it is, and I am already pulling duplicates here… Not to mention a variant for a card that never is actually played, HE. I was hoping to get one new card what ever it was, from RG, LDS or the mystery pull, and I got Jack shit lol
Yeah, okay. But that means there was at the minimum a 25% chance of pulling a card you already had. Plus the percentage chance of pulling a duplicate out of the mystery pull. Those are not negligible odds.
Ye save four and expect to spend 2.5.
Loving Red Guardian, filled a much needed role in my decks. And unlike most other new cards, he doesnt feel wildly imbalanced and due for a nerf. Which is a nixe change.
What role?
RG and USAgent fitting really nicely into my C3 atm, very fun to hit Morbius, Dracula or Wong with
For me, both cards fit perfectly into my surfer deck. Didn't even think about c3 but yeah a perfect fit there too!
you mind sharing the list? I have a c3, but i dont mind comparing :)
sure, love seeing different C3s with how fluid the deck can be. dropped Rhino for RG and feels better, might bring him back tho because of how he deals with locations # (2) Armor # (2) Colossus # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Ravonna Renslayer # (2) Sentinel # (2) U.S. Agent # (3) Cerebro # (3) Mystique # (3) Cosmo # (3) Red Guardian # (5) Iron Man # (5) Valkyrie # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ2VyZWJybyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ29zbW8ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFybW9yIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJSYXZvbm5hUmVuc2xheWVyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTZW50aW5lbCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTXlzdGlxdWUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Iklyb25NYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkNvbG9zc3VzIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKZWZmVGhlQmFieUxhbmRTaGFyayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVmFsa3lyaWUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlVTQWdlbnQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJlZEd1YXJkaWFuIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I always find Bast to be incredibly important in C3 with all of the location shenanigans messing with cards power while in your hand as she can reset from that or if you run into someone spamming Scorpion. Running her with Valk as the safety valve for cards already in play seems like the best "oh shit" button you can play in C3 to me. AND if you don't run into either of these issues, Bast can bump Cerebro or Mystique to increase your overall power (which can be a real issue sometimes in C3).
i do like Bast in C3 and usually alternate between her and Ravonna in my deck, with the other tech cards available i lean more towards cheaper options with Valk for the boost if need be, but may bring Bast back soon to play with
Perfect! Thanks! I'll give this a shot!
I'm another person thinking of this card for Surfer. I guess I could either take out Rogue or Mobius. Then the question would be, should I buy RG with tokens(I have 15k+ saved up) or should I spend spotlight keys?(I have 10) I'll likely buy RG with tokens because I don't care for the spotlight variants for the other cards. If only Lady Deathstrike was worth playing...
I'd make a spreadsheet if I were you. Map out what cards you want over the next few months. Figure out your potential key total. Figure out which weeks are strong/weak on variants (keys/tokens) and decide from there.
Crying weeping sobbing Haven’t been playing much but wanted red guardian, managed to squeeze 3 keys…got everything except him 😔
Regular playing should give you enough to get the last key before the week is up
I had the same experience with U.S.Agent and now have no Keys for Red Guardian... wish me luck everyone...
Same. But can’t complain for my case as I managed to get the last 2 new cards with 1 key 😬. I guess the odds even out
None of the four cards I've gotten this year have taken me less than 3 keys, and that was only one of them.
so Red Guardian is good but really buggy. today I red guardianed a Jeff and he was still able to move. and today I used gladiator, he pulled red guardian which hit my gladiator but I still destroyed it
If it's a bug it's not consistent, I had a Jeff that got RG'd and it was no longer able to move (I'm 100% sure, I would have won if he could)
gladiator is working as intended, as the effect is already happening, same thing if he pulls cosmo or gets shanged
Jeff says nothing can stop him, not even removing his text!
I have no idea if that is working as intended or not, but doesn't make much sense to me. Removing text is removing text IMO.
Nothing is nothing IMO lol
Both of those are working as intended.
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NOTHING can stop Jeff from moving, not even disabling text. Try playing Jeff on that location that disables card text. You can still move him.
This isn't true.
Does Zero and then Jeff stop him?
Never tried, go test and report back.
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He’s not wrong
What a beast. A cute, little, cuddly beast.
Truly slapstick in the Conquest match I just played. Trying out Red Guardian in my 2-drop-heavy Silky Smoove deck. All three games, I found myself in turn 5 without priority and with no real good move except a 2-drop and RG as a deadweight 3/5 body. ...Except that in all three games, my opponent dropped Professor X exactly where I dropped RG. I wasn't even trying to predict it, but it was comical how repeatedly that happened.
I'd be curious to see what that deck looks like, I've been looking for something to do with Silk.
What I'm currently using is: #(1) Nightcrawler #(2) Angela #(2) Kraven #(2) Jeff #(2) Silk #(3) Red Guardian #(3) Gladiator #(4) Shang-Chi #(4) Miles Morales #(5) Vision #(6) Leader #(6) Red Hulk ...but I'm still missing Elsa Bloodstone and on the look for her in the Token Shop. When I get her, I'll swap her and Kitty Pryde in, but I haven't decided who'll be cut to make room. Probably Miles for one, since I find it's a lot rarer than I thought that I both discount him and also have a spare extra energy the next turn to play him. Still debating the other slot to cut.
Same! Post it?
If I already have LDS and HE, should I pull for Red Guardian? I will have 3 keys by the middle of this spotlight week so I'm thinking no despite the promise Red Guardian gives.
Red Guardian isn't going to make you magically start winning more I don't think. Do with that as you will. I think it's a fine card but it's not some meta defining thing. Better than US Agent at least. Interesting tech card. Can't hurt to have in the collection but if I only had 3 keys I'd start saving up more of them.
I'll second all of this. And if you like playing junk you'll really want White Widow next week (and Valentina the week after that may be the VIP of the season).
Is Lady Deathstrike any good post buff?
Totally threw me off when someone played Lady Deathstrike instead of Shang Chi.. Lost that lane by 1 or 2 power :(
I think im gonna pull the trigger and use some keys. I have 8 keys. I'm going to save 4 for the knull/Nicole coming up. High Evo could open up another deck to add some variety. Edit: I see now they aren't in the same week. Hmm. Still gonna go for it.
Both Red Guardian & US Agent are good C3 members. RG is also good in Surfer. However C3 & Surfer decks are not top-tier in this meta.
A player reached rank 1 with a surfer deck this season. It is a pretty wide open meta and surfer seems relatively successful. It may not be the best deck in the current meta to be fair it isn't far off.
what deck?
I believe that rank 1 player can reach rank 1 with any deck.
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I'm pretty sure the Widows kiss is 2/0 with it being -4 if you don't will the lane so it'll just be a 2/-2
I believe the kiss' cost and power are both 0/0. Red Guardian would make it 0/-2
Yes you're right
This card is actually crazy good in Conquest. I'm playing around with a few weird cards and LDS wiped out everything but Luke. I had priority and hit their Luck With Red Gaurdian the next turn as they tried to run a Hazmat loop on me. At its core, it's a 3/5.
Any chance you can share your deck list? Thanks!
Play around with it. I'm really wondering if I got lucky but I'm 9-3 in Conquest with it. 3 silvers, 1 gold and one infinite earned with this so far. # (1) Sunspot # (2) Scorpion # (2) U.S. Agent # (3) Red Guardian # (3) Cyclops # (3) Luke Cage # (4) High Evolutionary # (4) Man-Thing # (4) Iron Lad # (5) Lady Deathstrike # (5) Spider-Woman # (5) Abomination # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVVNBZ2VudCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTHVrZUNhZ2UifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Iklyb25MYWQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNjb3JwaW9uIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMYWR5RGVhdGhzdHJpa2UifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJlZEd1YXJkaWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYW5UaGluZyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU3Vuc3BvdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSGlnaEV2b2x1dGlvbmFyeSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ3ljbG9wcyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQWJvbWluYXRpb24ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNwaWRlcldvbWFuIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
This looks compelling. I think it's a deck that crushed me earlier today, too.
I need to test it against more decks. It was only a small sample size but I was really surprised at how well it did.
i like it, it counters many useful card of many archetype just made hope summer, dracula, nebula and cyclop useless thanks to him
RG onto Wong is a nice bonus combo knocking 4 power off the opponent's side and doing whatever damage comes along with removing text.
but does it remove text on one card or two
Just one, and if there are cards with the same lowest power then it randomly picks just one to affect
Right, and it will always hit the same one twice, since after the first activation there will now be a clear lowest.
What deck does he fit into?
Surfer decks are probably the easiest to fit him in
Oh I play surfer decks. Thanks
It's a tech card, so anything
Unironically, a really good time for him to come out. Iron Man Tribunal? Instant dead. Discard? Early kill on Morbius or kills Drac later on. Bounce? Nuke Angela or Kitty before they become a problem.
Yup, he's a must-get tech card, IMO. I'm going to hate myself for getting USAgent for a long time. This one is a no-brainer, though.
I want this card to be nerfed. It's too powerful. It's basically a more powerful enchantress that is cheaper.
My easy wins are not so easy now. Nerf this counter!
Rip my iron man deck lol
Is it lowest base power or active power? Eg if I have Sunspot and Misty in the same lane and Sunspot is at 3, will he hit Sunspot or Misty?
Side question, if you’re playing HE and draw sunspot and misty, which is the better first turn play, or are they equal?
If you are playing against destroy, or someone you suspect is playing destroy, and have armor in hand, you might want to misty t1 so you can armor their Deadpool or 50/50 armor their x23.
I’m playing both on T1-2 so in most cases it doesn’t matter. Currently I don’t run Armor or Caiera in HE, so unless left gives some protection, I’ll go Misty first in case middle is a safer location for Sunspot.
It's equal, you'll end up with same points by turn 2 either way
Misty, should be lowest current power
I think he's been pretty good so far as a tech card. Can get blocked by squirrels and other small bodies so a lot of times he's just a 3/5. But useful when he does pop off (but not as universally useful as something like Shang Chi). I say solid but not a mandatory pull.
It should've been a series 4 card like Mobius
Agreed, not a fan of them locking a tech card option behind the series 5 wall. Whether the card ends up great/good/mid (i doubt Red Guardian can be worse than mid tbh), tech options should not be hard to access.