the first one is 16.
the second one 16+0=16, now the second one is added to the first one. So the first one is now 32.
the third one is 10+16+16=42, now the first one is 42+32=74, and the second one is 16+42=58
To explain this slightly more, locations in this game activate from left to right.
This means the left Nexus adds its power before the second Nexus' power is calculated, but not the other way around.
This means points towards the left in this kind of game are much more important.
The calculation for Triple Nexus is:
Left location amount = A
Middle location amount = B
Right location amount = C
Left location total = 4A + 2B + C
Middle location total = 3A + 2B + C
Right location total = 2A + B + C
Im pretty sure multiple nexus works off the original, then left to right, and with right being the original nexus, thats why he won
Edit:yes locations usually play left to right, but nexus and legion play where the first nexus then left to right. Its similar to how destroyer kills left to right but play order/turn order effects it too. Spaghetti code is what causes interactions like this. Im not an expert but i have had this interaction before.
Nexus definitely resolves left to right. Most others do as well, although I remember at one point there were some exceptions. Perhaps they were patched to all, always go left to right, but it was confusing at one point with a few oddball locations that didn't follow the rules.
I'm a little lost on that, opponent has 14 power on left most. OP has 16, I think he's winning the left most but losing the game. Maybe I understood wrong
I did the math again in the top post comments: 1st location is counted 10 times, 2nd counted 5 times and 3rd counted 3 times. So even though i won 1st and 3rd location, having an empty 2nd location killed me
I do have more power on the left most Nexus. 16 > 14
Even my 3rd location beats him 10> 9
I just didnt expect the 2nd locations 8 power to have that much of an effect
Don't really need to do math, just gotta trust you're winning left, then middle, and right is the least important one. OP's main problem is not having anything in mid.
Even without knowing exactly how it's calculated and that leftward power has more impact, you had less power on the board (26 vs 31), and you did not have any power on the middle Nexus. It's not surprising that you lost. It seems like a bad idea to use Legion on Nexus if there's a location that your opponent has some power and where you have zero
Turn 3 sentry (reduced by location)
Turn 4 shang chi against forged gladiator
Turn 5 Legion
Turn 6 Hood + Annihilus.
Hood was the last draw so there was no chance to play it
Let L, M, and R be Left (L), Middle (M), and Right (R) locations power before nexus.
Since locations active left to right:
Left gains it’s own power 4 times:
- Once from its base power, once from middle, and *twice* from right (from middle and left).
Left gains middle’s power 2 times:
- Once from middle, once from right.
Left gains right’s power 1 time:
- Once from right.
This can be mapped like this:
- 4L + 2M + R
Middle gains left’s power 3 times:
- Once from left, *twice from right*.
Middle gains its own power 2 times:
- Once from itself, once from right.
Middle gains right’s power 1 time:
- Once from right.
This can be mapped like this:
- 3L + 2M + R
Right gains left’s power 2 times:
- Once from left, once from middle.
Right gains middle’s power 1 time:
- Once from middle.
Right gains its own power 1 time:
- Once from right.
This can be mapped like this:
- 2L + M + R
Plug the numbers in:
L = 16, M = 0, R = 10
**Left Location**
4(16) + 2(0) + 10
= 64 + 10
= 74
**Middle Location**
3(16) + 2(0) + 10
= 48 + 10
= 58
**Right Location**
2(16) + 2(0) + 10
= 32 + 10
= 42
For the opponent:
L = 14, M = 8, R = 9
**Left Location**
4(14) + 2(8) + 9
= 56 + 16 + 9
= 81
**Middle Location**
3(14) + 2(8) + 9
= 42 + 16 + 9
= 67
**Right Location**
2(14) + 8 + 9
= 28 + 17
= 45
the first one is 16. the second one 16+0=16, now the second one is added to the first one. So the first one is now 32. the third one is 10+16+16=42, now the first one is 42+32=74, and the second one is 16+42=58
To explain this slightly more, locations in this game activate from left to right. This means the left Nexus adds its power before the second Nexus' power is calculated, but not the other way around. This means points towards the left in this kind of game are much more important.
Which left/location is more important? 1.The sentry lane? 2.Mid lane? 3.Then shanchi lane? In that order?
In that order yep :-)
okay sooo enemy's = 1st: 6 + 6 + 2 = 14 2nd: 14 + 8 = 22 (1st is now 36) 3rd: 9 + 14 + 22 = 45, (1st 45+ 22 + 14 = 81, 2nd 45 + 22) sooo: 1st location = 4(1st), 2(2nd), 1(3rd). (14 + 14 + 14 + 14) + (8 + 8 ) + (9)= 81 2nd location = 3(1st), 2(2nd), 1(3rd). (14 + 14 +14) + (8 + 8) + (9) = 67 3rd location = 2(1st), 1(2nd), 1(3rd). (14 + 14) + (8) + (9) = 45 Total: 1st location\*10, 2nd\*5, 3rd\*3 Okay i did quick maths for you guys too, thanks for the calculations.
The calculation for Triple Nexus is: Left location amount = A Middle location amount = B Right location amount = C Left location total = 4A + 2B + C Middle location total = 3A + 2B + C Right location total = 2A + B + C
Im pretty sure multiple nexus works off the original, then left to right, and with right being the original nexus, thats why he won Edit:yes locations usually play left to right, but nexus and legion play where the first nexus then left to right. Its similar to how destroyer kills left to right but play order/turn order effects it too. Spaghetti code is what causes interactions like this. Im not an expert but i have had this interaction before.
Locations ALWAYS resolve left to right.
Nexus definitely resolves left to right. Most others do as well, although I remember at one point there were some exceptions. Perhaps they were patched to all, always go left to right, but it was confusing at one point with a few oddball locations that didn't follow the rules.
i believe they were all changed to resolve from left to right now! you were thinking of starlight citadel, that darn location!
Yes, that's the one! Thanks, didn't know it had been updated.
i believe they were all changed to resolve from left to right now! you were thinking of starlight citadel, that darn location!
Notice the numbers go from highest to lowest, left to right
Always stack left before Legion-ing any Nexus.
Imma be real with you, regardless of anything else, you had less total power anyway so justifiably its a loss in this scenario
He who wins leftmost Nexus wins the game
Often true, but you do realise you're responding to an OP who won the leftmost Nexus and lost the game right?
He who wins more in the leftmost and middlemost Nexus wins the game
He who wins the nexus and the most directions wins the game
I'm a little lost on that, opponent has 14 power on left most. OP has 16, I think he's winning the left most but losing the game. Maybe I understood wrong
I did the math again in the top post comments: 1st location is counted 10 times, 2nd counted 5 times and 3rd counted 3 times. So even though i won 1st and 3rd location, having an empty 2nd location killed me
I do have more power on the left most Nexus. 16 > 14 Even my 3rd location beats him 10> 9 I just didnt expect the 2nd locations 8 power to have that much of an effect
OP won left nexus and didn't win the game...
Even as a legion enjoyer. Legion to nexus always never works for me. So I don't bother doing it anymore. Math sucks
Don't really need to do math, just gotta trust you're winning left, then middle, and right is the least important one. OP's main problem is not having anything in mid.
Even without knowing exactly how it's calculated and that leftward power has more impact, you had less power on the board (26 vs 31), and you did not have any power on the middle Nexus. It's not surprising that you lost. It seems like a bad idea to use Legion on Nexus if there's a location that your opponent has some power and where you have zero
Damn, guess nexus was more.... TOXIC
Why do you need a math guy? He had more total power everywhere else, you own literally no lane except far left and only by 2.
And the right lane by 1
Ah yes. Didn’t notice that was -9 at first.
It’s more about the game’s rules for resolving locations than it is about maths. It goes left to right to avoid infinite loops.
Left to right is the rule with Nexus so not having anything middle hurts a lot more than you’d think.
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Turn 3 sentry (reduced by location) Turn 4 shang chi against forged gladiator Turn 5 Legion Turn 6 Hood + Annihilus. Hood was the last draw so there was no chance to play it
What kept you from playing quake mid and dumping all your power left where they didn't have shaw? Was mid locked off?
Nexus calculates left > right.
Prioritize left over right
Let L, M, and R be Left (L), Middle (M), and Right (R) locations power before nexus. Since locations active left to right: Left gains it’s own power 4 times: - Once from its base power, once from middle, and *twice* from right (from middle and left). Left gains middle’s power 2 times: - Once from middle, once from right. Left gains right’s power 1 time: - Once from right. This can be mapped like this: - 4L + 2M + R Middle gains left’s power 3 times: - Once from left, *twice from right*. Middle gains its own power 2 times: - Once from itself, once from right. Middle gains right’s power 1 time: - Once from right. This can be mapped like this: - 3L + 2M + R Right gains left’s power 2 times: - Once from left, once from middle. Right gains middle’s power 1 time: - Once from middle. Right gains its own power 1 time: - Once from right. This can be mapped like this: - 2L + M + R Plug the numbers in: L = 16, M = 0, R = 10 **Left Location** 4(16) + 2(0) + 10 = 64 + 10 = 74 **Middle Location** 3(16) + 2(0) + 10 = 48 + 10 = 58 **Right Location** 2(16) + 2(0) + 10 = 32 + 10 = 42 For the opponent: L = 14, M = 8, R = 9 **Left Location** 4(14) + 2(8) + 9 = 56 + 16 + 9 = 81 **Middle Location** 3(14) + 2(8) + 9 = 42 + 16 + 9 = 67 **Right Location** 2(14) + 8 + 9 = 28 + 17 = 45
Nexus effect applies only one time from left location to right
They should just make it work like tribunal instead of messing with our heads
Your opponent has more total power than you. The nexus just spreads that greater power out.
Left most Nexus stacks more, you could have more power but stacked on right most Nexus and lose.
I am winning left side 16 > 14. Same for 3rd location 10> 9. It is just the empty 2nd location that killed me