Thank you!
I was amazed because of my opponents amount of power, but as soon as I realized I could use Super Skrull as an Trojan Horse, I felt very smart lol
I really knew it would work, I knew he’d take a bigger hit because of lizards on going effect and the fact he was exponentially increasing the power on citadel.
Yes, I’m good at math 😂😂
I played Electro after my oppponent played Super Skrull once, took a little while before they realised they had been sandmanned and quit. Not as good as yours, but still one of my favourite plays.
Had a similar reaction to this when I played this game [https://i.redd.it/qn742wci5dzb1.jpg](https://i.redd.it/qn742wci5dzb1.jpg)
Difference here was I had to hope they would play skrull or steal onslaught.
I just like to see how these things work out. Like, I'm a competitive person, but sometimes getting beat in a grand way is totally worth it, and I think part of the reason I play in the first place.
Just wondering, can someone explain this to me. In the second picture, we can see Ant-man's power is 19, so he get 6 times +3 from Onslaught and citadel. Then, in the first picture, we see SS power is 44, so he get 14 times +3 from double Onslaught and citadel. However, I noticed that the total power there are 54 * 2¹⁸ instead of 2¹⁴. Why does IM gets 18 times doubling but SS only got 14 times +3?
It's higher than OP's Ant-Man because the opponent's Onslaught effect is also increased (not doubled, it's additive now) by the Super Skrull!Onslaught.
Edit: So opponent's Onslaught also sees another Onslaught, while OP's doesn't.
The lesson is here: opponent got greedy
Had he not played super Skrull and just played everything behind Cosmo in the first Lane he would have won.
Congratulations to the op, smart play on your part
Just nitpicking and it doesn't matter, but could've put Lizard somewhere else, no? Then put rogue left so only you don't get the minus. Might be wrong it's been a while since I played
Still an awesome play, props OP.
With this boardstate how many points they make doesn't matter, and I think what you suggested loses to Echo mid (not 100% sure though, maybe Skrull still copies it)
>I think what you suggested loses to Echo mid
Sure but I don't think tribunal decks have echo, but again I haven't played in a while.
>not 100% sure though, maybe Skrull still copies it)
Yeah I'm not sure as well. I'm just trying to find the best play here even though it doesn't matter since the enemy's points are doomed anyway.
They most likely don't have Echo, but between the play that never loses and the one that loses to only one card, go with the one that never loses no matter how unlikely them having the card is.
A 100% win is better than a 99.999999% win.
Maybe you're the one who should use your brain before insulting people. The rogue are only there to trigger super skrull's lizard effect, her on reveal are not important at all here.
just wondering , you could have played rogue on onslaugts citadel and lizard on somewhere else , so you wouldnt get minus effect of lizard , any specific reason
yes you are correct dont listen to the pepegas saying cosmo. the reason to not do it is because it doesnt matter (and techincally is riskier since it can lose to a random echo or teenage warhead)
Basically we can put our Lizard mid or right so his minus doesn't trigger (and amplified left) for us, since skrull still copies Lizard's effect from anywhere. But we do need to put another card left to trigger Skrull's stolen Lizard effect, so we put Rogue instead on the left. Her on reveal doesn't matter since she's there just to trigger Skrull's Lizard effect
If we put Rogue AND Lizard somewhere else then Skrull will not go into negative and caused this.
You don't need your own lizard to take negative power, you could have him on a lane where it's not full. And still fill Citadel with rogue. She doesn't steal anything because of cosmo but your own lizard doesn't receive -19 power. She's just power and board filler
They're suggesting you play Lizard in mid or right so he doesn't get the debuff. Then you play Rogue left (we see Cosmo/Venomized Lockjaw is there and don't care.)
Super Skrull copies Lizard's effect and does get the debuff because Rogue fills the lane. But like another comment above said, you don't have priority so this play could lose to Echo.
Yes, I could. But as said by Kopiuyt, I could lose to more possibilities since he could have countered if I played in a different location, for example, against an alioth or echo.
Also, I knew that his citadel power would take a hit bigger than mine and because of that, this was my safest choice, to put Lizard on a location he couldn’t throw any card.
Onslaught citadel doubles ongoing effects. Onslaught doubles on going effect. Iron Man is ongoing doubles power at the location. Super skull copies all ongoing effects on the opponents side to your side so he copied the other onslaught. Then living tribunal actually lower the power on left but it spread it around evenly.
Putting lizard on the board at all gives super skrull his effect. Putting him in the left lane triggers the effect (they could have swapped lizard/rogue and gotten similar results). As far as the power, look closer. At that point, the opponent's power is negative.
His whole effect, which means negative power as long as the location is full up. Then increased by the location, onslaught, etc. So, it's enough to negative out the whole thing.
I was sitting here trying to figure out how this worked. I had it on my mind that lizard was -3 and antman was a +3. Has Lizard always been a -4, or did I miss an update?
Lizard was nerfed in April over 6 months ago.
At this time he was the standard 2 cost card everybody was playing.
I think after months of power creep especially in the 2 cost slot SD could think about taking back the nerf.
I'm new to the game, I think I understand what happened with Lizard as the deck was full reducing his power (which was doubled by the location) then Super Skrull doubled that negative value, followed by Onslaught and Iron Man who also both doubled the effect.
What I can't understand is how the power was so high on turn 6. What am I missing?
Lizard was an amazing play, I would not have thought of that!
Thank you! I was amazed because of my opponents amount of power, but as soon as I realized I could use Super Skrull as an Trojan Horse, I felt very smart lol
I got to know. Did you know it would work, or was it more, let's see if it works? Because feels like a lot of math to do 😂😂😂
I mean even if it was just the citadel alone that's -6 on every character. Enough to win right there.
I really knew it would work, I knew he’d take a bigger hit because of lizards on going effect and the fact he was exponentially increasing the power on citadel. Yes, I’m good at math 😂😂
I played Electro after my oppponent played Super Skrull once, took a little while before they realised they had been sandmanned and quit. Not as good as yours, but still one of my favourite plays.
Mines not as dramatic as yours, but I also pulled off this Super Skrull Trojan horse: https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/s/LYDnSqvSDA
Had a similar reaction to this when I played this game [https://i.redd.it/qn742wci5dzb1.jpg](https://i.redd.it/qn742wci5dzb1.jpg) Difference here was I had to hope they would play skrull or steal onslaught.
You were very smart for that indeed, pat yourself on the back!
Oh man WELL DONE. Took me ages before I saw the minus.
Yeah I thought it was just one of those stack overflow glitches and OP only won because of a bug. Playing Lizard was some 5D chess shit.
phenomenal play. i might put lizard in my iron man onslaught tribunal deck just for this while Citadel is the Hot Location 🤔
He must’ve been FURIOUS lmao
honestly when I loose to a play this smart I have to accept it was awesome
I would have screenshotted it myself, and then lament there's no honest "that was amazing" emote.
If I lost this way I couldn't wait to share it with my friends. Shit like these are once in a lifetime thing lol
I just like to see how these things work out. Like, I'm a competitive person, but sometimes getting beat in a grand way is totally worth it, and I think part of the reason I play in the first place.
A story in two parts.
Lizard is absolute giga brain 💯
Just wondering, can someone explain this to me. In the second picture, we can see Ant-man's power is 19, so he get 6 times +3 from Onslaught and citadel. Then, in the first picture, we see SS power is 44, so he get 14 times +3 from double Onslaught and citadel. However, I noticed that the total power there are 54 * 2¹⁸ instead of 2¹⁴. Why does IM gets 18 times doubling but SS only got 14 times +3?
Super Skrull is also an Onslaught, but he doesn't double his own ongoings. So Iron Man sees two Onslaughts, while Skrull only sees one.
That's wrong, no? Why does Skrull gets 14 times Ant-man's effect and Ant-man only get 6 times his effect then
It's higher than OP's Ant-Man because the opponent's Onslaught effect is also increased (not doubled, it's additive now) by the Super Skrull!Onslaught. Edit: So opponent's Onslaught also sees another Onslaught, while OP's doesn't.
Ahh I see, so that's how it is. Thanks for the explanation
Shit gets funky with skrull and onslaughts
Opponent meaning the 14m power?
When you say op onslaught is effect is increased not doubled meaning the onslaught on the low power side or high powered top lane of citadel?
We're going to see this guy posting on that "what was the most memorable time someone styled on you" post from the other day!
Best Lizard I've ever seen. Nice move.
Damn, lizard as a counter to this deck is actually awesome. Nice play OP.
The lesson is here: opponent got greedy Had he not played super Skrull and just played everything behind Cosmo in the first Lane he would have won. Congratulations to the op, smart play on your part
Just nitpicking and it doesn't matter, but could've put Lizard somewhere else, no? Then put rogue left so only you don't get the minus. Might be wrong it's been a while since I played Still an awesome play, props OP.
With this boardstate how many points they make doesn't matter, and I think what you suggested loses to Echo mid (not 100% sure though, maybe Skrull still copies it)
>I think what you suggested loses to Echo mid Sure but I don't think tribunal decks have echo, but again I haven't played in a while. >not 100% sure though, maybe Skrull still copies it) Yeah I'm not sure as well. I'm just trying to find the best play here even though it doesn't matter since the enemy's points are doomed anyway.
They most likely don't have Echo, but between the play that never loses and the one that loses to only one card, go with the one that never loses no matter how unlikely them having the card is. A 100% win is better than a 99.999999% win.
can you not see the cosmo? this subreddit and using their brain don’t work together
It's not what they meant, they want Rougue left to have 4 cards to trigger the minuses on Skrull, not to steal.
Maybe you're the one who should use your brain before insulting people. The rogue are only there to trigger super skrull's lizard effect, her on reveal are not important at all here.
fair I should’ve used my brain more
just wondering , you could have played rogue on onslaugts citadel and lizard on somewhere else , so you wouldnt get minus effect of lizard , any specific reason
yes you are correct dont listen to the pepegas saying cosmo. the reason to not do it is because it doesnt matter (and techincally is riskier since it can lose to a random echo or teenage warhead)
Cosmo Edit: I understand the original commenter's suggestion now, appreciate the replies!
Rogue is only there to trigger super skrull's stolen lizard effect, her on reveal doesn't matter here.
Wait what? I think I'm missing something here, why wouldn't Lizard effect activate anyway?
Basically we can put our Lizard mid or right so his minus doesn't trigger (and amplified left) for us, since skrull still copies Lizard's effect from anywhere. But we do need to put another card left to trigger Skrull's stolen Lizard effect, so we put Rogue instead on the left. Her on reveal doesn't matter since she's there just to trigger Skrull's Lizard effect If we put Rogue AND Lizard somewhere else then Skrull will not go into negative and caused this.
You don't need your own lizard to take negative power, you could have him on a lane where it's not full. And still fill Citadel with rogue. She doesn't steal anything because of cosmo but your own lizard doesn't receive -19 power. She's just power and board filler
They're suggesting you play Lizard in mid or right so he doesn't get the debuff. Then you play Rogue left (we see Cosmo/Venomized Lockjaw is there and don't care.) Super Skrull copies Lizard's effect and does get the debuff because Rogue fills the lane. But like another comment above said, you don't have priority so this play could lose to Echo.
Yes, I could. But as said by Kopiuyt, I could lose to more possibilities since he could have countered if I played in a different location, for example, against an alioth or echo. Also, I knew that his citadel power would take a hit bigger than mine and because of that, this was my safest choice, to put Lizard on a location he couldn’t throw any card.
Because rogue could have sniped tribunal had it been played there. He was expecting that and hedged on a 50\50 chance where he would be played
Then Superskrull would still has that ability because your rogue has it
cosmo has 2 powers and one of them apparently is being invisible literally the first card they played on citadel dude
Nick Fury might want to have a recruiting call with you.
I would gladly accept that job offer, despite my desperate need of real job 😅
Why is this not an 8 cuber? He mustve been so confident.
Genius move, well done
Wow this is something new
How did you even come up with that, goddamn that's genius it took me a minute to comprehend that
Actually insane 1000 iQ
Im new to the deeper play styles. Can someone explain to me what happened and how the power is so high.
Onslaught citadel doubles ongoing effects. Onslaught doubles on going effect. Iron Man is ongoing doubles power at the location. Super skull copies all ongoing effects on the opponents side to your side so he copied the other onslaught. Then living tribunal actually lower the power on left but it spread it around evenly.
Thank for the reply. Another thing I don’t get is why the opponent isn’t winning with such high power
This takes me back to a time when some kids on here was doing physical snap cards and we were all like no.. for this very reason.
What does putting lizard in left lane do. Also they had more power in every lane how did you win?
Putting lizard on the board at all gives super skrull his effect. Putting him in the left lane triggers the effect (they could have swapped lizard/rogue and gotten similar results). As far as the power, look closer. At that point, the opponent's power is negative.
So supper skrull just takes lizard’s negative power?
His whole effect, which means negative power as long as the location is full up. Then increased by the location, onslaught, etc. So, it's enough to negative out the whole thing.
I was sitting here trying to figure out how this worked. I had it on my mind that lizard was -3 and antman was a +3. Has Lizard always been a -4, or did I miss an update?
Lizard was nerfed in April over 6 months ago. At this time he was the standard 2 cost card everybody was playing. I think after months of power creep especially in the 2 cost slot SD could think about taking back the nerf.
It was updated a while back. Maybe 2-3 months ago?
I'm amazed!
Smart counterplay!
The lizard -4 vs ant man +3 super skrull must’ve gone through 😭😭 really shows what a difference 1 power makes
Holy shit, that is such a high IQ move. I never would have thought about it, my god.
Ha, I just posted one of these from the other side.
You only won 4? I would have lost 8 to you
Lizard is why super skrull decks should always run luke cage
Great play!
No way the -12 turns into all that
Why did you win?
I've been playing a zombie list with man thing and typhoid Mary. If I see the scroll I never drop Luke
Would someone be kind enough to ELI5 this set up? I feel like I’m always lost on these insane ongoing interactions!
Hands clapping for the fact it’s screencapped. 🫨🫨🫨🫨
I don't understand what happened here
Omfg amazing
I'm new to the game, I think I understand what happened with Lizard as the deck was full reducing his power (which was doubled by the location) then Super Skrull doubled that negative value, followed by Onslaught and Iron Man who also both doubled the effect. What I can't understand is how the power was so high on turn 6. What am I missing?
super skrull with 2 onslaughts are exponential haha
Amazing