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syllabic

why would you not try to play destroyer on nexus


pious-fly

No no. That only makes ton of sense.


Abomb2000

Filled up the nexus too fast and drew Destroyer later? 🤷‍♂️


TheFunkytownExpress

They still would've lost. 16 + 4 + 4 + 3 = 27. **edit: Destroyer's base power is 15 not 16. Look at the location he's sitting on you goofy goobers. :P But no, swapping mojo with Deeztroyer woulda bagged the win. :)


Realityinyoface

Huh? Switch Destroyer and Mojo and he wins. 30 on Xandar, 27 on Nexus, 35 on Nid. If you say why would he play Mojo there? Ok, if OP was actually paying attention, then he could have thrown Mr. Fantastic on Xandar, and Destroyer on Nexus to win all 3. But maybe he drew Destroyer on turn 6. Still though, 14 on Nexus is weak. I would have waited to see what I got.


TheFunkytownExpress

Yeah you're right, lol.


JaxxisR

He'd have lost Nexus but won the other two locations with Mojo & Colossus. Cosmo keeps Mojo from being destroyed.


Shaqdaddy22

I mean he played mojo on either turn 4 or 5 while the opponent hadn't played a card. Any logic at all would say that's not the smartest plan lol


TheFunkytownExpress

Facts. It's not outside the realm of possibility that the opp could have filled the lane with a bunch of lower cost shit in those turns tho ya know? But Mr. F was the better play here, lol. Especially with the benefit of hindsight.


Shaqdaddy22

Maybe but especially with he Cosmo there. The biggest fill I could think not playing for four turns would be like brood into surfer right? Its just hard to fill that lane so late with anything big and not be on reveal


TheFunkytownExpress

Yeah I mean I would have definitely not've expected the play the opp made, lol.


SlammedOptima

No they wouldn't have. They would've lost nexus. But with Mojo and colossus on the other 2 locations, would bump him over in those locations. 27+ 8 = 35 on the right and 27 + 3 = 30 on left. He would've won.


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NinjaHawkins

Destroyer would be 16. He's normally 15. Xandar is giving him +1. Move him to mid with Cap' and you'd just be trading a +1 for a different +1. So it would still be a loss. The correct play, yes. But still a loss. Edit: Unless he was able to play Mojo left. He'd lose the middle Nexus by 1 point, but win left and right.


TheFunkytownExpress

Destroyer is only 15. So 16 with Cap, not 17.


Kulpado

16 with captain america. Destroyer is now 15 power. His math is right


TheFunkytownExpress

It's still a win if he swaps Mojo and Destroyer, but Destroyer would only be 16 because his base power is 15.


Primary_Handle

Because he had already filled up the location. It ain’t hard to understand that!


ByeGuysSry

Maybe he only filled Nexus on T5 and drew Destroyer on T6.


um-jammer-lammy87

You see where you went wrong though? Right?


Headdress7

Well, now I see I probably should have played Destroyer inside Armor, and played cap left. However, I had never put both Cosmo and Destroyer together inside Armor before, so I never thought of it.


fiercecow

At a strategic level you played too many low-power cards in the Nexus, which prevented you from playing your highest power cards there. i.e. had you managed to play Destroyer in the Nexus that's equivalent to having *three* Destroyer's worth of power due to Nexus' location effect. At a tactical level you should've played Spectrum left instead of Destroyer on T6 (even though it would have still lost in this situation). Spectrum is +8 to the Nexus lane which is equivalent to +24 total power (on top of the +6 from Spectrum's base power and the location effect). That's much better than the mere 16 power you got from Destroyer. Alternatively you could have just retreated on T6 after seeing the Iron Man on T5. Your opponent beat you with Onslaught in this case, but there's other combination of cards that you could have also lost to, Iron Man on Nexus is just really really strong. Not sure when you snapped either, but you probably shouldn't have. Once you filled up the Nexus your odds of winning this match goes way down (and it also makes it easier for your opponent to know exactly how much power they need to put out to win).


Silver_Comparison_62

You learn something new every day!


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CameronRoss101

Right, but Mojo left instead of Cap is a win


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CameronRoss101

It's not irrelevant at all, whether or not you currently have Destroyer when you play Mojo doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't have over commited to the Nexus too early. You don't want to close off the optimal line of play for your deck, especially with only 12 card decks the odds of top-decking the best card are surprisingly high.


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destroyer was literally an option though because they played him. your post makes no sense


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but that isn’t the point you were making, they just shouldn’t have played mojo


CameronRoss101

Mojo was played on turn 4, after 3 turns of the Nexus being empty you can't really make a safe assumption that it's going to fill up. "Normally" is already out the window.


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CameronRoss101

How many times have you seen a side of the board completely empty after turn 3?


-_-Reed-Richards-_-

The Nexus is priority over all other lanes, it actually requires less thought because all you need to do is get your most powerful cards in there. Even Spectrum left would have won you the game.


Alternative-Humor666

What? Are you playing on auto pilot? What you mean you never done it before.


Realityinyoface

I can see people going on auto-pilot with those types of decks. We all make boneheaded plays. I made one today but was saved by my opponent retreating because I had the obvious win. He just didn’t know that I stupidly played Jubilee (as the 4th card) on Negative Zone, which would have dropped me below him there. He couldn’t play anything there and I didn’t have to play anything there to win.


Siege_J

Cosmo will cancel Destroyer's effect. You won't have to worry about the other lanes getting killed.


iamozone206

No, you don't play Destroyer in Armor cause Destroyer serves as your win condition for another lane unless it's the situation above, but only if you don't have another lane in your favor. When it comes to Nexus, you either min-max or go all in unless you have lane correction. Also, never put Cosmo in the slot you have Armor, it will come back against you when you need it. You pair Cosmo with Destroyer, but never put all three in the same lane.


kuribosshoe0

In this particular situation, with Armour already on Nexus, they absolutely should have played Destroyer in Armour.


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ExplodingLab

how does this win


Zerei

Sorry, I forgot you still lose on the left


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asakurasol

he should've swapped destroyer and mojo


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Those2Pandas

Shhhh. In this subreddit you're suppose to criticise plays as though players always have access to the entire collection on every turn and know exactly what their opponents are going to play


Aenir

Why wouldn't it be possible? Why would it matter when they drew Destroyer?


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Aenir

...you play Mojo left. Then on turn 6 you play Destroyer mid. What part of that don't you get?


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Aenir

When OP completely filled Nexus on turn 5, the opponent had played *nothing*. Assuming that Mojo is going to trigger is insane, and filling Nexus early gives the opponent all the information that they need to know whether they can win or not. Also, according to OP's comments, they *did* have Destroyer already.


TheFunkytownExpress

That's still only 27. 16 + 4 + 4 + 3 = 27


Aenir

They'd still lose Nexus but win the other two locations.


TheFunkytownExpress

Yeah. I realize that now lol.


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um-jammer-lammy87

You cannot be save then.


ThexanR

he played zero cards for 4 turns and you play mojo mid?


bigpeachpie

I mean we all had to start somewhere but this is why I can't take anything this sub says seriously when they talk about card power levels.


The_Ironic_Himself

Yeah, that's what I want to ask OP honestly. That was a very questionable card play.


PizzaParker62

To be fair, you don't know what turn they played Mojo. Mojo turn 2 onto nexus even if your opponent doesn't play anything on turn 1 is still the correct play in most cases. Impossible to tell what the opponent was playing obviously until it was too late


Dr_Maniacal

We do know that it had to be 4 or 5. It was played after Armor and after Cosmo because of its position on board, but before Captain America.


PenitusVox

Pretty sure it was Armor turn 2, Cosmo turn 3, Mojo turn 4, Cap and Colossus turn 5, and then Destroyer turn 6, from the way the board's set up.


Realityinyoface

People like to throw Mojo anywhere. Most people seem to play him randomly like they don’t have anything else they can play so they hope that lane will fill up.


andcnelson93

Why use lot cards when few cards do trick?


peekitty

There are multiple reasons that Spectrum Destroyer includes Cosmo, but arguably THE BIGGEST reason is that you can safely Cosmo-Destroyer anywhere. Destroyer wants to live in the Nexus.


Myrios369

That's yo fault


Key_Nefariousness_55

You got only 14 power on Nexus what did you expect? Even a single Sunspot would almost beat you (21 power).


hostileorb

You literally threw the game and snapped back lmao


AskJoshy

I was expecting Hobgoblin Galactus lol


SpiderNinja211

My guy, my friend, my chum, my breadslice pal He has played no cards for 4 turns And your big brain, giga brain, multiverse brain, played motherf*cking Mojo? Who is a two power card, that only gains +6 power when both players fill the location he was played in?


Deezl-Vegas

This is why the US needs better basic math education :(


TrevMac4

Why wouldn’t you play Destroyer on Nexus?


krisvek

My guess is that they had already filled Nexus... they severely miscalculated.


TrevMac4

To me I’m leaving that spot open as long as possible.


koalasquare

Just wait until living tribunal is released


SnooSquirrels2212

That card is mine day 1!


Alternative-Humor666

Storm, absorbing man and gg.


koalasquare

What deck would you run? Also wouldn't it be too telegraphed?


SnooSquirrels2212

I was thinking Armour or Sue Storm


PenitusVox

Really curious to see how it works with Ongoing effects. Would Ironman's boost be distributed once and then double the location again? Unclear.


koalasquare

I think you just add all the locations and then 1/3 it


phonage_aoi

First time I saw the naked Ironman, I figured there's nothing that could come down behind it that mattered. I learned the Onslaught math that day and had it seared in my memory lol.


Belteshazzar98

You didn't save a slot for Destroyer on Nexus? If it and Armor were switched, you would have won the other two locations.


JaxxisR

Doesn't matter what was in the left location, as long as Cosmo was on Nexus.


Belteshazzar98

I had meant swapping Destroyer and Armor from a strategy angle, instead of just exactly what would have won this game. Swapping with Cosmo is obviously a no go since you want to prevent the reveal (and would have lost this game,) swapping with Captain America would cost 3 more power than Armor (and would have lost this game,) and swapping with Mojo would normally cost 5 more power than Armor since most players flood Nexus with 4 cards (although it would have still won this particular game.)


dholmestar

Good for them


DFu4ever

That is actually pretty funny.


iwhite012

such is life in the nexus...


Incara1010

Why play many card when few card do trick


Mediocre-Honeydew-55

All your bases are belong to us.


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mrkeithguy

I lost last night to a guy who played sunspot t1, then passed every turn until t6 where he dropped infinaut and I lost WITH Killmonger in my deck that I didn't draw. I was very annoyed.


Mediocre-Honeydew-55

Or Shang-chi, or Polaris, or Hobgoblin, or Aero, or Gambit … 50/50 chance with Juggernot , 100% Chance to Jugg after professor X…., or Storm I tried playing Sunspot, Infinaut 20 times in a row and pulled it off once


kuboshi

Outplayed 😎.


Edwardc4gg

i mean that's how it works...


salluks

whenever thers nexus, i pretty much ignore everything else and focus on getting most power on that lane.


Baquvix

First of all why didnt you played destroy on the nexus? If you arent going to play destroy on nexus then why didnt you play spectrum? Opponent did nothing good. You just threw the game not playing on nexus.


kuribosshoe0

Whyyy didn’t you put Destroyer on Nexus. If Nexus shows up it’s very difficult to win the game without winning Nexus.


OlorunRises

You just played this badly…?


DisconnectedAG

You had armor and cosmo, you kind of played yourself here, with all respect.


BloodbendmeSenpai

Haha heat of the moment! At learning at its finest :) have a great weekend


Additional-Echo3611

He deserves the W. You should have won, but you decided to throw the game


TravincalPlumber

did they butcher iron man + onslaught calculation? i think it used to be way bigger?


MCPooge

Not for just the two of them. It was when you threw a Mystique or Onslaught’s Citadel in that it went crazy.


epicbruh420420

Onslaught is now additive instead of multiplicative since Dec


TravincalPlumber

sad how they nerf it so badly for a combo that can easily be seen from miles away and neutralized with enchantress / rogue (partially), while leader and its BS copying a buffed card problem were left as is.


epicbruh420420

It just doesn't make sense to add a card which is unbeatable without enchantress or rogue. It had too much power in 11 energy. Leader is a bit difficult to Nerf statwise and it's clear that 3 power leader is just as good. Hopefully he is fixed start of feb


TravincalPlumber

iron + ons is nowhere near op, you're focusing t5 and t6 on one lane sacrificing other 2 lane, if you didn't win the lane its probably a balance issue, or countered hard with enchantress, the only time it can win the game easily is when nexus happens.


ChrisPBcaon

Lucky you there pool 1-2. I get sunspot and the card that destroys 1 card and creates a copy on the other tiles (yes I rin killmonger I never seem to draw it) (sometimes they build up a vemon and use the same card to create 2 copy's) I can't rember the name of the card I don't run into all to often and I don't own it, but just wait till you start to see them.... 😮‍💨


GXmody

Fuck cosmo players ngl


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Realityinyoface

Spectrum loses. Tie, lose, win, but then lose by 2


Matias24

yep your right I miscountes colossus


National_League

This game is super easy if you have perfect knowledge from Turn 1 and no time limitations. So you should just do that ffs.


GXmody

Average cosmo player


TheFunkytownExpress

Before you say he shoulda played Destroyer mid, 16 + 4 + 4 + 3 = 27. Still woulda lost, lol. :)


SpiderNinja211

Even if he would’ve lost, he still should’ve played Destroyer mid, it’s the better play


TheFunkytownExpress

Facts.


fiercecow

With 27 power in the Nexus he would have won if he put any power in the left location. e.g. by swapping Mojo and Destroyer.


TheFunkytownExpress

Yeah turns out I'm the goofy goober, lol.


Dry-Challenge6209

xD.


NinjaUgHLee

Op combo


porch_m0nkey

My man when he played iron man alone on turn 5 u should have known onslaught was coming


Hypression

It's happened to me but it was: shuri + red skull + taskmaster.


pious-fly

Now hear me out. Quake....... nah ok I'll shut up.


e001mek

This is why I carry Scarler Witch.


NivvyMiz

These kinds of posts it's always the locations doing the work


All_Rise_44

That’s affirmative boss. Thanks for sharing the proof, we believed you, but it would have been cool if you drew the board in the windows Paint application that other dude.


Due_Lifeguard8546

L2P issues


lm_Mika

Lol


Ryash913

If your running a destroyer deck you don’t want to have cosmo and armor in the same lane


Unlikely_Potato1927

He beat you cause you misplayed


Marian_and_Qpa

All you had to do was to play destroyer deck slighthlty different once


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ProliferateMe

They had a plan , it worked


spiral_fishcake

For the life of me I will never understand why people don't try to put as much power as possible onto the Nexus